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Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:23 pm

This is a question I wanted to ask for a long time: how does the whole gun thing really work in the United States? Here in Europe, mostly you read about getting a gun in the US is like going to the supermarket and take milk, diapers and a Steyr AUG rifle, pay at the counter and that's it. Is it really like this, can anyone go into a shop and buy a gun without any checks, say, people with a history of violent crimes, etc?

Also, is this federal or state law? The latter would make answering my questions probably a bit more difficult  .

In my opinion, if someone likes to shoot for his hobby or whatever should be able to get a gun, but there should be regulations in place to make it for criminals at least a bit more difficult to get a gun...

Please, refrain from the usual battle if it should be legal to shoot someone because he set a foot on your field or if guns are increasing or decreasing safety! I'm actually interested in the facts on the process of getting a gun!
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
 
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Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:40 pm

That is about it. You can go to the store that sells, Gun shows and even flea markets here in Florida. There is a three day waiting period unless you are liscensed with conceal and carry permit which allows you to purchase and take home . Every state has different laws. You do have background checks but no amount of laws will stop the criminals from getting weapons.


Federal and State Firearms Laws
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Default.aspx

Here are Florida's laws which are some more of the lenient ones in the states. Here in Florida the castle doctrine also extends to your self for your protection.

Permits
# You don't have to apply for a special permit to purchase a gun in Florida. This includes buying a shotgun or rifle, and you don't have to register it, license it or have a permit to carry it. You don't need a permit to purchase a handgun, either, nor do you have to register it or hold a license to own it. However, if you wish to carry your handgun concealed, you must have a concealed carry permit. If you wish to carry it in the open, you're not required to have a special permit.

Waiting Period
# If you purchase a handgun in Florida, there is a three-day waiting period (excluding weekends and holidays) between buying the gun and being able to take it home. This waiting period doesn't apply to those carrying a valid concealed carry permit. You aren't required to wait three days if you're trading in another handgun.

Background Checks
# Before a gun dealer, manufacturer or importer can hand over a gun you have purchased from them, you must fill out a form that must be approved by the Department of Law Enforcement. This department maintains a database of people who are prohibited from buying a gun based on court records. The buyer must list his name, date of birth, gender, race, and Social Security number. He also must present proper identification such as a current driver's license. The purpose of this check is to make sure that the applicant is not a convicted felon, or someone who meets the above-stated criteria banning them from gun ownership. This instant check costs $8.


Not everyone must undergo an instant background check when purchasing a firearm. This includes gun manufacturers, licensed dealers, collectors, importers, law enforcement officers, correctional officers and people with a concealed carry license.
 
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:06 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Thread starter):
This is a question I wanted to ask for a long time: how does the whole gun thing really work in the United States? Here in Europe, mostly you read about getting a gun in the US is like going to the supermarket and take milk, diapers and a Steyr AUG rifle, pay at the counter and that's it. Is it really like this, can anyone go into a shop and buy a gun without any checks, say, people with a history of violent crimes, etc?

Not really. That is an old running joke. There are places such as walmart that sells gun accessories as well as ammunition, but I don't think i've seen a gun. Every time I buy ammo for the shooting range with my brother in law, we buy from walmart. In the sporting goods section, they actually have shotgun ammo on the shelves, but no shotgun. More popular ammo such as 9mm or other handgun and rifle ammunition are locked in cases.

Here in Connecticut, if you are of legal age to purchase a gun (21), you can just walk into a gun store with 5 or 600 dollars, and buy a shotgun or certain rifles, without a permit, all it takes is a simple FBI background check. However, handguns are different. You have to obtain a concealed carry permit in order to purchase a handgun. These permits can take up to a year and a half to get. You have to take gun safety classes in order to apply as well, and, you need to be 21 or older, without an extensive criminal history.



Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
If you wish to carry it in the open, you're not required to have a special permit.

Here in CT, it's illegal to carry open. Concealed only.

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Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:18 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Thread starter):
how does the whole gun thing really work in the United States?

Both my parents were born and raised in Texas, and I live there now, and my family has never owned a gun. From my perspective, I think the whole gun issue has been blown out of proportion, but it does make for an interesting contrast when my northeast born and raised friends talk about it. They all think that people walk around with six-shooters and rifles in their trucks. I can assure you that that is certainly not the case. Yes, you see advertisements for gun fairs, and you can buy them at sporting goods stores, but if you really weren't actively looking for the gun scene, you wouldn't come across it.

Of course, there also signs that may shock visitors, such as when you enter a public building like a hospital or a school, you will see signs that remind you that possession of a firearm on those grounds is strictly not allowed.

As for me, I have never felt any need nor desire to own a firearm of any kind, and it's really a non-issue when you are going about your day to day life and business. Realize, though, that I grew up and live in a big city (Dallas), so my experience may not necessarily be the same as others who grew up in more rural areas.
 
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Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:30 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
Every state has different laws

I am a Federal Firearms License holder and I get a book (actually a DVD now) yearly that has all the US firearm laws in it by state. Some states have hundreds of pages (California) and others (Wyoming) have less than one page. An FFL allows me to buy and sell firearms accross state lines. I have A LOT of rules and regulations that I need to follow. Most FFL dealers are top people who follow the laws to a T, but like anything you will always have a few bad apples.

Quoting us330 (Reply 8):
Of course, there also signs that may shock visitors, such as when you enter a public building like a hospital or a school, you will see signs that remind you that possession of a firearm on those grounds is strictly not allowed.

Yep, and when there is a big shooting it many times in a place where fire arms are not allowed. Once again laws are only good if they are followed....

I have a large collection of guns, 40 at this point. They range from rather dull 22 revolver, to an AK-47 and many types in between. About 32 of my guns were made prior to 1945, of which I now only collect the 1900-1945 era.

I get most of my guns from private individuals, wholesalers, and other FFL holders. Retailers charge far too much for vintage guns.

If you want to buy a gun legaly, you will pay a lot and get good quality (for the most part) you will go to a retailer, buy a gun, wait for the background check and take it home with you. If you perfer the illegal route, which a vast majority of those in street gangs and in the drug trade perfer, you should talk to a local drug dealer, especially in the urban areas. The urban thug crowd will not pay retail prices for an illegal gun (stolen or many times illegally imported). It is kind of like buying a stolen car on craigslist, it is always cheap and has no paperwork.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 1):
collectors

Only licensed collectors who collect Curio & Rellic guns, which are at least 50 years old (a few exceptions).

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Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:54 pm

It will vary from State to State, with some Federal oversight.

Here in Kentucky, since I am a Carry Concealed Deadly Weapons (CCDW) permit holder, I can walk into any dealer, be it a brick and mortar dealer or a dealer at a gun show and buy a firearm.

A non-CCDW holder can do the same, but needs to produce additional identification and submit to a background check, which takes about 10 minutes (I believe).

As I recall, If I, a non-dealer licensed individual, wanted to sell a firearm to another non-licensed person, I could do so as long as I satisfied myself that the person was eligible to own a firearm under state and federal law.

The restrictions are:
a. convicted of or under indictment for a felony
b.a fugitive
c.adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to any mental institution.
d.addicted to or an unlawful user of marihuana or a stimulant, depressant, or narcotic drug.
e.less than eighteen years of age for the purchase of a shotgun or rifle
f.less than twenty-one years of age for the purchase of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle
g.a non resident of the State in whichthe licensee's place of business is located
h.an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States
i.dishonorably discharged from the armed forces
j.subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner
k.convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence

http://www.nraila.org/federalfirearms.htm#summary

So, it's not that difficult here in Kentucky, but it's not quite like getting a gallon of milk.

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Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:22 pm

Please respect the request made by the thread starter:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Thread starter):

Please, refrain from the usual battle if it should be legal to shoot someone because he set a foot on your field or if guns are increasing or decreasing safety! I'm actually interested in the facts on the process of getting a gun!

Keep the discussion relevant to the topic. If you wish to discuss guns and Canada, start a thread.
 
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:47 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Thread starter):
Here in Europe, mostly you read about getting a gun in the US is like going to the supermarket and take milk, diapers and a Steyr AUG rifle, pay at the counter and that's it
Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
There are places such as walmart that sells gun accessories as well as ammunition, but I don't think i've seen a gun

I work at Walmart in Alaska, and you can buy all sorts of firearms in store. You can at Fred Meyers too. I was asked to watch the firearm counter one night, and they had a register and everything, so I think it's possible to come in and buy yourself a rifle at any time.
 
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Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:49 pm

In Michigan it is legal to open carry a gun in a holster without a license.. Places off limits to firearms without a CPL: a) A Bank. b) A church. c) A court. d) A theatre. e) A sports arena. f) A day care center. g) A hospital. h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act (BAR). I have lived here all of my life and not seen anyone open carry a gun.
 
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Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:56 am

I'm from Wisconsin and Walmarts there (some of them, depending on the size & local market) sell guns; high powered rifles, shotguns, and rimfire rifles. It's really a matter of a simple background check. I bought one at a gun shop, and I was in & out of there in about 15 minutes. If you buy privately no background check is necessary. I own several guns because I'm an avid hunter.

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Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:29 am

I own 23 weapons, ranging in all different types and calibers. Currently I am stationed in Washington state, where I hold a concealed weapons permit. I had to take the application and the check (I think it was ~$50) to the county sheriff's office, and it was as easy as that.

Oddly enough, the most restrictive place, in regard to gun laws, is on military bases. It's such a pain in the ass to go on post with weapons. I cannot carry concealed, or in the open for that matter. I can only transport it to my residence, or to a shooting range. If I am transporting it, it must be in a locked box, with the ammunition stored separately. Lame.
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Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:57 pm

As it stands, I've been to the US 6 times, and I've never seen a person carry a gun, even in a holster. I've seen them stacked up in Walmart, and it scared the shit out of me because I live in a country where for the most part, guns are illegal.

I understand the whole 2nd Amendment thing about the right to bear arms and defend yourself, I just think for a lethal weapon, there should be a lot more restrictions on that type of thing. They can (and do) kill people, legal or illegal.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:10 am

But you've missed my point as well - for here, if I were to run around the street with something like that - I'd have a group of very heavily armed Police screaming at me to drop the weapon, and I'd be in an awful lot of trouble.

Even while it is legal in your country, it doesn't seem to be the normal thing. How many people actually walk down the local trendy high street, weapon slung over their shoulders as if it is completely normal, which is also part of the point I'm trying to make.

And you also didn't answer the question that I asked - what is the point in carrying that out to what looks like a meet and greet over coffee or ice-cream in a city street?

That's what I really wanted to know.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:29 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 36):
Even while it is legal in your country, it doesn't seem to be the normal thing. How many people actually walk down the local trendy high street, weapon slung over their shoulders as if it is completely normal, which is also part of the point I'm trying to make.

The last time I saw a "M4gery" was in Downtown Phoenix during one of Obama's recent visits. It was part of a protest of some kind.

Quoting cpd (Reply 36):


And you also didn't answer the question that I asked - what is the point in carrying that out to what looks like a meet and greet over coffee or ice-cream in a city street?

The point is the guy wanted to make a statement (of some kind) and a .223 rifle that looks like an M4 certainly is a stunning visual. It will always get it's picture taken in this context. I think the point of the photos UH60 showed was that even the LE types were watchful but not particularly reactionary to the guy with the rifle slung over his shoulder. Certainly, the fact that the LA times guy took a picture of the gun and the guy but no pictures of him being halled away or sprayed with pepper should tell you that it's just not that big a deal.

Holstered but unconcealed handguns are very common here in downtown Phoenix. With the amount of non-uniformed federal, state and local law enforcement officers in downtown, it's very common to see holstered weapons. Granted it's usually on a badged agent but there's enough civilian carriers here that it's not particularly noteworthy to see a gun on someone's person.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:27 am

Here in New Jersey, and in lower NY State, no Walmart carries guns (except paintball ones) as the state laws, liability issues and the hassles are not worth it for them to carry them. Most stores that sell guns in New Jersey (where I live) are small, family owned sporting goods, police supply or gun speciality stores. I know of a family owned gun and sporting goods store in Garfield, NJ that is across the street from the local high school. No problem although there are bans on having weapons on you near schools.

It is general policy that all off-duty and even retired police officers carry a gun with them in their home state where a cop for self protection.

As to access to illegal guns, sometimes people will lie about residency in states with lax regulations as to residency (like Florida), sometimes they get relatives in such states to buy them. A few college students from places like NY City and go to school in the southern states with looser gun access laws buy them to make some money reselling to their 'friends' back in the city.

Generally one rarely sees guns in public in urban and suburban areas in the USA, execept for cops, licensed security or armored bank vehicle guards and guards at certain government facilities although you will see them more in the rural areas.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:23 am

lived in california (los angeles and san francisco) then Hawaii. I dont think i've ever seen a gun outside of a police officer. Never saw one in Walmart or at the supermarket next to the bread either.

Never heard one being fired off in the cities, never had one pulled on me, never knew anybody who had these experiences either. Gun laws (purchase, carry, firing etc) are a state by state law as Im sure others have stated above.

My father used to collect Winchester's, and we used to go skeet shooting at my granparents way back, but that is all.

We aren't all pistol packing meanies here in this country.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:40 pm

To me an armed society is a safe society.

I feel much more comfortable knowing and in the company of armed folks than not.

At the end of the day, the criminal will always have a weapon, so regular citizenry having the ability to arm themselves is valuable form of deterrence at minimum, and active means of protection if something does happen.
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:19 pm

Until the recent Supreme Court ruling some cities (i.e., Chicago) tried to outright ban handguns. So you couldn't buy a gun even if you wanted to.
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:42 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 18):
Until the recent Supreme Court ruling some cities (i.e., Chicago) tried to outright ban handguns. So you couldn't buy a gun even if you wanted to.

True, but those gun bans are slowly being overturned. In cities like that, you still need to jump through hoops to get a firearm, and don't even try to get a carry permit without being able to show 'need'. Of course, the need is defined by the issuing authority.

Right now, there are 37 states that are considered 'Shall Issue States'. That means that the state is required to issue you a carry permit if you meet the requirements of the state. Alaska, Arizona and Vermont do not require a permit for residents.

Quite a bit of info here:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:39 am

real life?. I live in a rocky mountain state. I except for my visits to my Air National Guard Base always have a Smith & Wesson 40 at my side, my gun safe is full of rifles from 1903 to 2010, Ak's Ar's 1903 Garands , rugers, and many other assorted goodies. handguns including some 40's 9x18 and 9mm and .22 ..
shotguns abound . and guess what?. I have only made holes in paper and assorted binary targets . I hold an FFl and a CCW but neither if gone would prevent me from holing onto any firearms I own
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Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:32 pm

As an American living overseas I'm often confronted with the question "so how many guns do you own?". My first reply is "none because I live in Germany". Next comes the "statistic" that 3 of 4 Americans have a gun in their home. I then proceed to count off all members of my immediate family and close friends who I know do not own a firearm of any type. When I'm done the list has about 65 people on it throwing the "3 out of 4" statistic down the tube.

I try to explain to people there are some restrictions on who can and who can't own a firearm. Since I've never owned a gun myself I admit I'm not the best source of information. I usually end the conversation with "don't believe everything you read / hear in the media" and if someone is soooo paranoid about being shot while in the US on holiday they should just stay home.
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Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:39 pm

Short answer...it's awesome! In the state of Tennessee, it's rather easy, especially if you have a carry permit. I've got my carry permit, so I'm pretty much able to carry my pistol everywhere unless posted otherwise. I don't carry on me, but I do carry it in my car. Here's two of my favorites:

My Saiga .308
My XD-9 with 13 rd mag


  
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Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:48 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
There are places such as walmart that sells gun accessories as well as ammunition, but I don't think i've seen a gun.

I have seen a few rifles for sale behind the counter at Wal-Marts in Oregon, Washington, and Montana. I have seen rifles behind the counter in California, but I don't know if they are BB guns or actual rifles. I don't care to own firearms, so I never bothered to look closely.

Quoting cpd (Reply 12):
if I were to run around the street with something like that - I'd have a group of very heavily armed Police screaming at me to drop the weapon, and I'd be in an awful lot of trouble.

Yep. People that walk down the street in the states with guns will probably have the police hot on their tail, too. The only time I have ever seen a gun up close and personal is when my brother showed me the two he owns. Other than that, I know no one else that owns guns. It is really not as common as one would be lead to believe.
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Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:19 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
It is really not as common as one would be lead to believe.


Depends where you are and who you hang out with. I would say among the people I hang around with far more own at least one gun than those who do not. It isn't any political affiliation either. I know a lot of teachers (that is what I do for a living) and many of them are bleeding heart liberals, but own guns. Some use them for hunting, some for target shooting, some for protection, and some for all three. I would say that if you live in a place like Trenton, Michigan you are much more likely to know gun owners than if you live in Berkely, California.

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 21):
Next comes the "statistic" that 3 of 4 Americans have a gun in their home


I have never heard that. I know there are enough guns for that to be the case, but that statistic is not accurate.

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 21):
As an American living overseas I'm often confronted with the question "so how many guns do you own?".


I love getting asked that question when I travel. I love the look on the faces when I say 40!

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 18):
So you couldn't buy a gun even if you wanted to.


Sure you could. Buy an illegal gun ( illegaly imported or stolen) for a far cheaper price than at a retail shop or in a legal sale. That is the case with a vast amount of guns used in street gang and drug related crime. The only people who couldn't buy hand guns in Chicago were people who abide by the law.
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Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:13 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
People that walk down the street in the states with guns will probably have the police hot on their tail, too.

Maybe if you have one strapped to your back, but plenty of folks carry concealed. Like I wrote earlier, I've only seen one person open carry (outside the parking lot of a range), but, I'm sure in many states, it's a common sight.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
Other than that, I know no one else that owns guns.

You know no one else who has told you they own guns. Plenty of my neighbors and friends are unaware that I'm a gun owner/carrier.

Really depends on where you live as to the density of gun ownership...but even living in Brooklyn, NY, I owned rifles and shotguns.

And, if we're showing pictures, which one I carry depends on where I'm going and how I'm dressed:

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Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:54 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 25):
And, if we're showing pictures

This is my favorite carry gun. It is a 1924 Ortgies 32 ACP made in Erfurt, Germany. It is a great carry gun. It is accurate and reliable. I am not a fan of most newer guns.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/1920sOrtgiesGermany.jpg

Another I commonly carry is this 1970s CZ VZ-70 32ACP

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/1970sVZ-70Czech.jpg

If I really need small I go for my 1888 Smith & Wesson pocket pistol 32 S&W. It is old, but is in great shape. It is so old the federal government doesn't even classify it as a gun anymore. There is no serial number and no permit is required to own/purchase it. It is VERY expensive to shoot, but it sure is cool!

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/1888SW.jpg

These just scratch the surface of my collection.
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Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:19 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 25):
You know no one else who has told you they own guns. Plenty of my neighbors and friends are unaware that I'm a gun owner/carrier.

I guess I don't think about it because where I grew up, it was common for people to go hunting for deer and elk. I might still know people that go hunting and would own guns. I don't ask because I don't care. I don't know anyone that carries for protection. Probably a rifle or two for food.
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Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:51 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 22):
My XD-9 with 13 rd mag

I've never seen it before, but read some great reviews. Is it a sub-compact, compact or service? I'll have to check it out next time I'm in the US.
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Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:03 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
I've never seen it before, but read some great reviews. Is it a sub-compact, compact or service?

Looking at the picture, it's the sub-compact. It's a great little gun, we sell a lot of them.
 
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:36 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
I've never seen it before, but read some great reviews. Is it a sub-compact, compact or service? I'll have to check it out next time I'm in the US.

I use a .XD40 sub-compact, 9 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber. I fell in love with the thing after the first shot.
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:14 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 24):
Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 21):
Next comes the "statistic" that 3 of 4 Americans have a gun in their home


I have never heard that. I know there are enough guns for that to be the case, but that statistic is not accurate.

I know it is inaccurate. I was trying to make a point with "so called statistics" I've been confronted with when the topic of conversation is about US gun laws. In my opinion this is one topic European media (liberal & conservative) love to exaggerate and purposely distort facts and use misleading/false "statistics".
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:52 am

Down here in Mississippi walmart sells rifles, shotguns and ammo. That's nothing though, because if you go into gander Mtn or bass pro you can get anything from a .22 revolver to (no joke) a .50 cal rifle/cannon! Everybody down here is packin', consequently if you go walking in the woods you can be mistaken for a deer and get shot, likewise if you go to the wrong parts of Jackson you face the same danger. I've been wanting to buy a gun since I moved here, all I got is a baseball bat, the ruger 9mm I want is $400 though
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:27 pm

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 32):
hat's nothing though, because if you go into gander Mtn or bass pro you can get anything from a .22 revolver to (no joke) a .50 cal rifle/cannon!

Those places do have a lot of guns, but they are very expensive compared to my local gun shop. Of course they have a great selection, but the mom and pop store can order anything you want.
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Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:03 pm

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 32):
consequently if you go walking in the woods you can be mistaken for a deer and get shot

Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Unless you walk around in the woods wearing brown Carharts with a white hanky sticking out of your back pocket... 
 
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:06 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 2):
Not really. That is an old running joke. There are places such as walmart that sells gun accessories as well as ammunition, but I don't think i've seen a gun. Every time I buy ammo for the shooting range with my brother in law, we buy from walmart. In the sporting goods section, they actually have shotgun ammo on the shelves, but no shotgun. More popular ammo such as 9mm or other handgun and rifle ammunition are locked in cases

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Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:21 am

I live in Mississippi just south of Memphis and never had a gun until two summers ago came home from work and a car with 4 black dudes rolled up asking for directions right in front of my house .Like a dumbsss I went up to them and they pulled a gun on me and robbed me. Thankfully I had a bunch of ones and a 20 looked like I had a lot and gave it too them..was a lesson learned cheap..I got my house alarmed and bought a pistol and got my CCP. Unfortunately I never give directions anymore and anyone who comes to my front door unannounced is met with more than my friendly face.
 
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RE: Guns In The US - How Is It In Real Life?

Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:55 am

Quoting johns624 (Reply 34):
Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Unless you walk around in the woods wearing brown Carharts with a white hanky sticking out of your back pocket...

It is not!!, I have worked several Hunting accidents over the years. Half-drunk hunters seeing something move, and light it up!! I had a guy get blasted with a 270, taking a crap one time, and the dumbass took his Orange off. Working on the Helo, opening weekend of Gun Season, was always fun.
I remember back in the 90s, Jackson, MS having a 100+ murders a year, and was only 120K population. idk what the rate is now?

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 36):
I live in Mississippi just south of Memphis and never had a gun until two summers ago came home from work and a car with 4 black dudes rolled up asking for directions right in front of my house .Like a dumbsss I went up to them and they pulled a gun on me and robbed me. Thankfully I had a bunch of ones and a 20 looked like I had a lot and gave it too them..was a lesson learned cheap..I got my house alarmed and bought a pistol and got my CCP. Unfortunately I never give directions anymore and anyone who comes to my front door unannounced is met with more than my friendly face.

The good thing about MS, is your vehicle is considered an extension of your home, so you can carry a weapon in it, without a CCP. Just don't forget and leave it in there, if you go to AR.
 
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Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:47 pm

I personally dont carry but do own guns. I have 2 rifles and am about to purchase my first pistol. I have no qualms about owning a gun and feel that it is my right to own a weapon. That being said, I still dont carry a gun on my person all the time. When I move to my next job assignment (pending) I will probably carry 90% of the time...but thats for protection against things that eat me, not against people.

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Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:01 pm

I always get a kick out of people who are afraid of guns for no apparent reason. I have a big party every year with a lot of teacher friends and there is always one or two that don't even go in the room where my guns are or if they do they walk very far away from the cases, like they are a bomb that is ready to go off at the slightest movement. I always say those guns can't hurt anyone if there is nobody to operate them, they are unloaded, and inside of a gun cabinet.
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