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Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:23 pm

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U.S. Senate nominee Alvin Greene, a political unknown who became the surprise winner of the South Carolina Democratic primary, was indicted Friday by a grand jury on obscenity charges.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/.../greene.indicted/index.html?hpt=T1

So would he hit it? Can there be any doubt!  

Sorry, but this dude needs to understand you get yourself elected BEFORE you start playing games. Then the lobbyists will get you the real thing.
 
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Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:40 pm

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Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:31 pm

He's gonna lose big time anyway
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Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:42 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
Sorry, but this dude needs to understand you get yourself elected BEFORE you start playing games. Then the lobbyists will get you the real thing.

You mean, the rules don't apply to you. If any of us did what Rangel and others have done, they would be in jail.
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:54 am

To me, the Democrats didn't really care about putting up a possibly competitive canidate in SC for US Senate as they figured to waste money or a person on a race they expect to lose badly to a well established incumbent Republican. That opened up this 'stelth' canidate Alvin Green just to have someone on the ballot space in November. Too bad this loser ended up being the token canidate on 2 levels including that he is African American. His foolish canidaicy just makes the Democrats look bad all over the USA and gives ammo to Republicans to bash Democrats.
 
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:12 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
If any of us did what Rangel and others have done, they would be in jail.

And a Republican has never been in trouble? Well there was the dude in the Gents at the airport, but he just had a wide stance. Sure.
 
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:28 am

Wait...

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Greene was charged by police in November with showing pornographic material to a female University of South Carolina student on a computer in the school's library.
The alleged victim, according to university police, also said Greene asked if he could come to her room.

... what kind of a charge is this anyway? That female student... she should grow a thicker skin and/or learn how to spell "no thanks I'm not interested". It's not that he kicked and dragged her into his room - he asked her. Seriously  
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Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:56 am

Strange ending to a strange man getting nominated in a very strange way.
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:30 am

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He was also indicted on a misdemeanor count of "communicating an obscene message to another person without consent."
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What happened to "Freedom of Speach" ? Is the constution suspended?

That's an interesting indictment. Reminds me back in the 70s when some of us in a mixed group on a beach in Long Island where asked to leave, including the girls, because of indicent remarks. What we did, we qualified the female attributes of some ladies - in German, not in English. Man, have we been lucky not to end up in jail.  

Now, this guy does not seem to be the brightest bulb in the box but when this gets you into trouble with the law enforcement agencies in the US then there's something wrong with the country. That guy does not seem to be qualified for the job as a politician representing his state. But petty stuff like that should not even raise an eyebrow of a police officer.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:46 am

It's not always a concrete line between protected Free Speech and obscenity, indecency. It seems like a personal harassment charge might have obtained in this case as well.

The thing I'm wondering now about this Alvin Greene character is, has he been checked out by the mental health people? His "inability to perform basic tasks" while he was in the service, his apparent non-understanding that you don't upload sensitive material to the Web, and his campaign platform of raising government revenues by marketing action figures of himself all make a basic MH evaluation seem in order.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:34 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):

You mean, the rules don't apply to you. If any of us did what Rangel and others have done, they would be in jail.

You mean, showing porn to someone and inviting her to your room will get you in jail in the USA?
I can understand that subjecting someone to porn without their consent is bad, but I didn't think it would land you in jail.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 6):
... what kind of a charge is this anyway? That female student... she should grow a thicker skin and/or learn how to spell "no thanks I'm not interested". It's not that he kicked and dragged her into his room - he asked her. Seriously

I second that  
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 4):
Too bad this loser ended up being the token canidate on 2 levels including that he is African American.

I dont think you should call anyone a loser, and how does him being African American have to do with anything?
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:58 pm

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
He's gonna lose big time anyway

He was going to lose big, before the charges were filed.

Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):
You mean, showing porn to someone and inviting her to your room will get you in jail in the USA?

What consequences would there be for showing porn to someone (that you did not know and just walked up to on the street) and inviting her to your room, in Lebanon?
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:13 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
What consequences would there be for showing porn to someone (that you did not know and just walked up to on the street) and inviting her to your room, in Lebanon?

No idea, most probably a hostile reaction from that person, and anyone who knows them. Laws aren't very clear here and the judicial system and the police aren't what they are in the US, because of this perceived inefficiency people sometimes lack trust in the system and an avoid it except for grave cases.

Also note that it is not clear in the article whether he knows this person or not.

BTW, since we're on the topic, my girlfriend had a guy lower his pants and show his genitals next to her car window, while she was in the car with her friend. The guy then ran back to his car and drove away as soon as she moved the car. She followed his car a bit. Later, she said that same guy came back out of nowhere and followed her car for a while. She took his car number, but did not press charges later. That must have been around 8 months ago.

She also told me about another instance of a guy showing off in public, from far away. Another girl I know in Lebanon also told me about a guy jerking off in plain view of her, in his car.

In all these cases, it wasn't reported.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:51 pm

Quoting rolfen (Reply 12):
a guy lower his pants and show his genitals next to her car window
Quoting rolfen (Reply 12):
a guy showing off in public


You seem to have a lot of "perverts" in Lebanon?
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:08 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):
You mean, showing porn to someone and inviting her to your room will get you in jail in the USA?

What consequences would there be for showing porn to someone (that you did not know and just walked up to on the street) and inviting her to your room, in Lebanon?

If it would have haoppened to my mother (even in her younger years), the guy would either have received a slap, which would have made his head fly to the other side of the room, or a really caustic remark, which would have left him thouroughly embarrased. E.g. back in the 1970s, while walking in a park, she encountered an exhibitionist, who approached her with a hard on. She gave his member a glance, lookewd him straight into his face and told him that he needed to get washed. The guy was suffering of "wet spaghetti syndrome" afterwards.
With my sister, well in Kairo, Egypt, she beat up three young men, who tried to grope her (they didn´t know that she was seriously into karate at this time, now she is an aikido black belt).
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RE: Senate Nominee Indicted On Porn Charge

Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:38 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
You seem to have a lot of "perverts" in Lebanon?

I sometimes find it hard to believe, but in this case there were witnesses. I guess that yeah, there are quite some perverts, and not only perverts but cowards too, because I didn't see any myself, presumably because they don't dare doing anything when there is a guy around.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
If it would have haoppened to my mother (even in her younger years), the guy would either have received a slap, which would have made his head fly to the other side of the room, or a really caustic remark, which would have left him thouroughly embarrased.

  I wish I was with my girlfriend when that happened. But I'm not sure she needed my help, she would probably run the guy over if necessary, and she did well. It still sucks that she would be subjected to that. I'm glad to know that this stuff happens elsewhere too, and that some people got their ass kicked over it  

I was thinking, maybe it is right to report it, after all. I'm a bit hesitant, on one side I used to see exhibitionism as a harmless thing, on the other side it can seem aggressive and cause distress.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:07 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 4):
His foolish canidaicy just makes the Democrats look bad all over the USA and gives ammo to Republicans to bash Democrats.

My conspiracy theory hardcore democrat dad is telling anyone who will listen that the Republicans staged this whole thing to make the dems look bad. I'm not saying I agree, but how else would this guy suddenly be able to afford $10,000 and conveniently have sex-based charges filed against him AND be black?   
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:33 pm

$10,000 is not that much. The question is, how did he get elected?
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:48 pm

Registered Democrats in South Carolina don't really care about the senate seat because they know they don't have a chance of winning against the incumbent? I'm talking out of my ass, but the people who vote in the primary maybe just randomly chose this guy or knew of him and picked him as a joke as they didn't have much hope anyway, or... tin foil hat time! Republicans stuffed the ballot boxes!  
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:55 pm

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 16):
y conspiracy theory hardcore democrat dad is telling anyone who will listen that the Republicans staged this whole thing to make the dems look bad. I'm not saying I agree, but how else would this guy suddenly be able to afford $10,000 and conveniently have sex-based charges filed against him AND be black?

Even better, he had no campaign website, attended zero campaign events, didn't talk to the local DNC at all. In fact, the only thing he did at all, was to register his campaign and pay the 10 grand that he had saved up while in the military.

And yet, he beat a guy who had paid for 220.000 robo-calls and 250.000 emails, and who had been out on the campaign trail for quite a while.

ETA: FEC has the figures. That has to be the most economic campaign ever run by Alvin Greene  Wink : http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/..._all&stateName=SC&election_yr=2010

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" Greene recently attracted attention to his candidacy by proposing to create jobs in South Carolina by making "toys of me, especially for the holidays. Little dolls. Like maybe action dolls. Me in an Army uniform, Air Force uniform, and me in my suit." "

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Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:03 pm

Quoting Elite (Reply 7):
Strange ending to a strange man getting nominated in a very strange way.

Look at the state and it's no surprise.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
What happened to "Freedom of Speach" ? Is the constution suspended?

1. It's South Carolina. 2. The guy is black. 3. He'll be on the ballot for the US Senate.

Those three don't mix very well.

Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):
I dont think you should call anyone a loser, and how does him being African American have to do with anything?

I don't think he's the sharpest knife in the drawer, but then neither is their governor.   

He's also the wrong color and in wrong party for the "good folks" in SC.
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:25 pm

Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):
You mean, showing porn to someone and inviting her to your room will get you in jail in the USA?
I can understand that subjecting someone to porn without their consent is bad, but I didn't think it would land you in jail.

Does sound kind of extreme.
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:28 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 19):

Even better, he had no campaign website, attended zero campaign events, didn't talk to the local DNC at all. In fact, the only thing he did at all, was to register his campaign and pay the 10 grand that he had saved up while in the military.

And yet, he beat a guy who had paid for 220.000 robo-calls and 250.000 emails, and who had been out on the campaign trail for quite a while.

If you think about it, he's the perfect damage limitation exercise for republicans to counter the embarrassment of that lardball redneck in Tennessee... Man, I'm starting to convince myself!  
 
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:37 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
1. It's South Carolina. 2. The guy is black. 3. He'll be on the ballot for the US Senate.

Those three don't mix very well.

My question was tongue-in-cheek. I once asked for a non-alcoholic beer in Greenville SVC after learning that they don't serve alcohol on Sundays. I did not get that either since there is a residue alcohol left-. Which means, SC is more backwards than Saudia Arabia where you can drown in that stuff. (No offence, dear Saudis).

Now that I know what else can get you into jail there I better stay away completely.

But the stuff with the dolls really tops it off. That's also called Voodoo economics.  
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:49 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
And a Republican has never been in trouble? Well there was the dude in the Gents at the airport, but he just had a wide stance. Sure.

I never said only Dems. Congressmen protect their own of both parties.

Quoting rolfen (Reply 10):

You mean, showing porn to someone and inviting her to your room will get you in jail in the USA?

If she's underage you might, but I wasn't talking about Greene. First, he's not elected (yet) and thus members of congress will not defend him. Second, he won't ever be elected, unless all the GOP stays home in SC this November. The guy is a moron.

I was mainly talking about things like what Rangel did - hiding hundreds of thousands of dollars of assets and revenue from the IRS - over a dozen separate charges. He claims ignorance of the tax laws - but he has been a key member of the House Ways and Means committee for over 30 years - the committee that writes much of the tax law. So not only is he a lying bastard, as anyone will tell you anyone not in government caught by the IRS doing the same thing is in deep, deep, DEEP trouble. But with Rangel, they want to let him go with a slap on the wrist (if that)
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Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:44 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
1. It's South Carolina. 2. The guy is black. 3. He'll be on the ballot for the US Senate.

Those three don't mix very well.

You do realize that over 28% of South Carolina's population is black.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 26):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
1. It's South Carolina. 2. The guy is black. 3. He'll be on the ballot for the US Senate.

Those three don't mix very well.

You do realize that over 28% of South Carolina's population is black.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
He's also the wrong color and in wrong party for the "good folks" in SC.

What does this mean? That he's "the wrong color...for the 'good folks' in SC?"

What are you trying to say here?
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:05 am

Have any of you seen televised interviews with the guy?

It's pretty obvious he's a retard. Or at least someone who is suffering from some level of mental retardation.
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:51 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 28):
Have any of you seen televised interviews with the guy?


I saw an interview several months ago, and thought he was stoned!

I wonder which rich republican put up the $10k to get his campaign filings in order, with the goal of wanking the election?



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Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:03 am

Quoting rottenray (Reply 29):
I wonder which rich republican put up the $10k to get his campaign filings in order, with the goal of wanking the election?

Nice try.  

But had you bothered to educate yourself, instead of being more interested in grinding that political ax of yours... you would know that the SC State Police, acting on the request of SC lawmakers, investigated this and found no wrong doing. They reported that Greene had apparently saved up the money while he was enlisted in the Air Force and Army. His bank records showed no sign of a third party financing his ballot filing fee.

Why does it always have to be a conspiracy? Why is it so hard to believe that many apathetic voters chose not to go to the polls, and those that did vote merely checked the block, allowing Greene to win?

Hell, even if some conspiracy did occur, and a Republican did finance his fee.... 60% Democratic voters still managed to elect a retarded man, who had not done a single bit of campaigning!
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:19 am

So what did he do wrong?
No laws were broken.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 28):
It's pretty obvious he's a retard. Or at least someone who is suffering from some level of mental retardation.

  

....and yet is still the brightest politician I've ever seen come out of South Carolina!   
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:57 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 31):
....and yet is still the brightest politician I've ever seen come out of South Carolina!   

hahaha very true.

I like how his lawyer/campaign manager recently said, "If Alvin Greene says he's hiking the Appalachian Trail, he's doing exactly that."

lol because he's both too stupid to formulate a lie, yet still a better person than that loser ex-governor!
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:40 pm

Well this sucks for ole Alvin. Highly inappropriate and pretty stupid, but there's certainly worse things to be indicted of...like say, not paying your taxes! *cough* Rep. Rangel.   
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Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:59 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
I don't think he's the sharpest knife in the drawer

Greene's primary win proves to me the depths of the "anti-establishment" feelings in the minds of American voters. I would not be at all surprised that a lot of South Carolina voters voted for Greene ONLY because he was a name on the ballot that they had never heard of before.

Either that, or Greene was a Republican plant in the Democratic primary (this is South Carolina politics, after all)!!
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:05 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 36):
Either that, or Greene was a Republican plant in the Democratic primary (this is South Carolina politics, after all)!!

If he was a Republican plant (even though there is absolutely no evidence of it), how do you explain the 60% of Democrats who voted for him. Did the Republicans coerce their vote?

No. Rather this is exactly what you first said: a bunch of apathetic voters, just checking the box without caring who's names was next to it.
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:47 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 37):

No. Rather this is exactly what you first said: a bunch of apathetic voters, just checking the box without caring who's names was next to it.

Not only that, but we don't know what the name of his competitor was. If it was Matthew Dinkelschpeil, then Alvin Greene wins. There have been studies to show that in a race between two low-level candidates in which one candidate has an "easy" name and one has an "unusual" name, the "easy" name wins.

Obviously, that rule breaks down at high-level elections, which is why Barak Obama can beat John McCain. But if it had been Barak Paratanganarataka, I guarantee McCain would have taken the day.
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:43 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
But if it had been Barak Paratanganarataka, I guarantee McCain would have taken the day.

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Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:46 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 36):
Either that, or Greene was a Republican plant in the Democratic primary (this is South Carolina politics, after all)!!

LOL, This is too funny. I love how the Dem congress vowed to investigate this and all of a sudden got real quiet. Guess they couldn't find any of that, you know evidence.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 37):
how do you explain the 60% of Democrats who voted for him. Did the Republicans coerce their vote?

Shhhh don't ruin a totally good fantasy.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
Obviously, that rule breaks down at high-level elections, which is why Barak Obama can beat John McCain. But if it had been Barak Paratanganarataka, I guarantee McCain would have taken the day.

Great point but this is all moot since Demint will win this handily.
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:05 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
I love how the Dem congress vowed to investigate this and all of a sudden got real quiet.

I love how they vowed to investigate it, period. HuffPo, "CrooksandLiars," Young Turks...every day they rail incessantly about how "all conservatives are idiots." Then when they notice the presence of an unconcealable idiot in their own party, it strikes them as grounds for "an investigation."
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:27 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):

Great point but this is all moot since Demint will win this handily.

OMG. We agree on something.

This feels weird. I'm going to tell my mommy.
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Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:17 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
OMG. We agree on something.

This feels weird. I'm going to tell my mommy.

We have agrees before, you know beaches in Rio I think, well you know.
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