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"region Free" Blu-ray Not Working In US?

Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:51 pm

I bought a Blu-Ray DVD in the UK last week. It says region free on it. It will not play in my Sony Blu-Ray player here in the USA. The player recognizes the disc, but the screen just goes black and nothing happens. It isn't a studio film, it is from a tourist railray in Pickering. Why would a region free disc not work? I also bought some regular DVDs in the UK and they were "region free" or "region 0" and I tried to play them in my Blu-Ray player and they would not work either(regular DVDs usually play). I then put the region free regular DVDs in my standard LG DVD player and they worked perfectly. I tried them in my portable Sony DVD player and they would not play. I put them in my computer and they would. Is there something with Sony machines that will not play a region free DVD or Blu-Ray? I remember back in the 1990s Sony VHS machines would not play tapes that were recorded in linear stereo (they would play, but no audio), as no Sony VCRs had a linear setting, they only had Hi-Fi and Mono. I never saw another VCR that wouldn't play a linear stereo tape. Is this some sort of Sony issue?
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:12 am

I believe that the DVD player is also region locked. To play a region 0 it also needs to be unlocked.

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RE: "region Free" Blu-ray Not Working In US?

Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:30 am

Quoting greasespot (Reply 1):
I believe that the DVD player is also region locked. To play a region 0 it also needs to be unlocked.

I figured that, but why would the Sony be locked out of region 0, while the LG would not be locked from region 0? The LG will only play region 1 and apparently region 0. I know for a fact it will not play region 2. Is this lockout of region 0 a Sony specific thing?
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:35 am

I would think that would be up to each specific manufacture. Since the lg works guess they don't. Since Sony does not guess they do.

Sort o f answered your own question. Maybe take the DVD into the store and see if it will play on the DVD player or buy one if you really need to know.

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Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:47 am

Sony is probably the tightest manufacturer on region coding - even here in Australia where region-coding was ruled anti-competitive, most Sony DVD players cannot be made region free. I know my oppo defaults to region 1 after a hard reset and I need to then switch to 0 (FWIW, I think I've got DVDs from all regions plus 0).

Many blu-ray players are still region locked on DVD, although this element is more likely to be able to be unlocked than blu-ray playback, which is generally a hardware mod.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:17 am

For some odd reason, all the cheapest dvd-players are area free, so you can play dvd's from all over the world, but the high-end ones are usually locked. Same thing with blue-ray discs I would imagine.
 
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Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:36 am

Why are there different "regions"?

Why can't we have all DVD players and discs all one region so all can be played anywhere?

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Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:04 am

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 6):

Why can't we have all DVD players and discs all one region so all can be played anywhere?

The "official" reason is for anti-piracy protections.

The real reason is, they want to make sure they can milk all the money they can from a sale. So it's a ban on imports/exports.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:49 am

Another reason is the timing of release, if you could buy the DVD from say the US, of a movie that isn't even released on cinemas where you are, then the cinemas are not happy. But now there are more and more "world release" of blockbusters, because internet doesn't wait anyway.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:00 am

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
It isn't a studio film, it is from a tourist railray in Pickering.

Look, just admit it, you bought a British porn DVD, and now you're disappointed that you can't watch it.   

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
The real reason is, they want to make sure they can milk all the money they can from a sale. So it's a ban on imports/exports.

  
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:04 pm

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):

Are you sure it isn't a PAL/NTSC issue? To tell the truth, I haven't been paying enough attention to know whether PAL/NTSC is relevant to HD systems.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
Another reason is the timing of release, if you could buy the DVD from say the US, of a movie that isn't even released on cinemas where you are, then the cinemas are not happy.

   That's pretty much the the "official" reason - that plus control of content in different regions. I don't think it has anything to do with anti-piracy.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:54 pm

Quoting greasespot (Reply 1):
I believe that the DVD player is also region locked. To play a region 0 it also needs to be unlocked.



  

Quoting greasespot (Reply 3):
I would think that would be up to each specific manufacture. Since the lg works guess they don't. Since Sony does not guess they do.



  

Now even LG is getting stricter. Their players will still play region free discs, however the newer ones are basically impossible to unlock.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
Another reason is the timing of release, if you could buy the DVD from say the US, of a movie that isn't even released on cinemas where you are, then the cinemas are not happy.



That would make sense with Hollywood production and region 2 (B for BD) discs. However, why is it locked the other way around? European movie production is virtually non-existent around here, so what are they protecting? No money made, no money lost. The whole thing is only good to annoy people. Because of this idiotic restriction I can't have European movies in HD quality         
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:30 pm

If I'm not mistaken, the disc in and of itself is coded and the player determines the region. In other words, the disc is coded region free, but the player controls the disc region via software. Not sure how that works, but to my recollection, there is no such thing as "region free" Blu-Ray per se. Its all in the player. The intent was the ability fo studios to minimize production costs and control what on the disc is available within a specified region. Meaning, there is probably a bunch of stuff on your BD that you'll never see because your BD player whihc is region coded won't unlock it.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:59 pm

Quoting falstaff (Thread starter):
I bought a Blu-Ray DVD in the UK last week. It says region free on it. It will not play in my Sony Blu-Ray player here in the USA.
Quoting greasespot (Reply 1):
I believe that the DVD player is also region locked. To play a region 0 it also needs to be unlocked.

I despise the corporations hypocrisy on the issue of international trade. Corporation's demand access to whatever labor market gives the lowest cost "to ensure the best prices and remain competitive" but then turn around and fight to ensure consumers can not shop in the lowest cost markets for the best pricing. And for some reason the ruling bodies buy some of their arguments (because these ruling bodies are packed with industry cronies) . If companies can go overseas for labor, consumers should be able to buy from anywhere as well.

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RE: "region Free" Blu-ray Not Working In US?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:21 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 10):
Are you sure it isn't a PAL/NTSC issue?

It is not. It is Blu-Ray. If it was that wouldn't be a problem as I have a PAL/NTSC DVD player. Nowhere on this disc does it say PAL or NTSC. So I assume Blu-Ray doesn't have anything to do with PAL or NTSC.

Quoting Boeing1970 (Reply 12):
If I'm not mistaken, the disc in and of itself is coded and the player determines the region. In other words, the disc is coded region free, but the player controls the disc region via software. Not sure how that works, but to my recollection, there is no such thing as "region free" Blu-Ray per se

So the manufacturer of the disc who put region free in fairly large print on the back is full of BS. I will be writting them a letter maybe they can exchange it for the PAL region 0 DVD version of the same video. I should have bought that one anyway, it was cheaper than the Blu-Ray version.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
Look, just admit it, you bought a British porn DVD, and now you're disappointed that you can't watch it

I would never waste my money on a porn film, I can watch it for free online...   
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:26 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 14):
Nowhere on this disc does it say PAL or NTSC.

Fair enough but I couldn't find a Standard Definition DVD that mentioned PAL/NTSC, either, yet it it's certainly relevant in that case. However, if your DVD player is multi-standard then it shouldn't be an issue.

I'm just not convinced by the idea that you have to "unlock" the DVD player to watch Region 0 DVDs. I was watching Region 0 DVDs long before I got involved with multi-region "cracks". It's been a while, though.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:39 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 15):
I was watching Region 0 DVDs long before I got involved with multi-region "cracks".

That's probably because you don't have a Sony player  
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:53 pm

I have the same with my Sony Bluray S350 , cant play US discs on it, can only play UK.

( Just checked on the box also ) , I remember when I first bought it I was a bit confused as it had the multi region sticker on it.


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Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:07 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 16):
That's probably because you don't have a Sony player

I did. I'm on my third DVD player, all Sony.  
Quoting oa260 (Reply 17):
I have the same with my Sony Bluray S350 , cant play US discs on it, can only play UK.

I can play US DVDs on my UK Sony DVD player. I haven't moved on to hi-def yet, though.

I think there's some confusion between multi-region DVD players and Region 0 discs. A Region 0 DVD is supposed to play on a DVD player programmed for any region. A multi-region DVD player will play DVDs from regions it's not supposed to.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:11 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 18):
I think there's some confusion between multi-region DVD players

The first DVD player I had was a cheapo from Tescos ( Wharfdale ) you could hack it via the remote and a code  

Ideally I want a Sony Bluray recoradable player. Maybe next year.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:23 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 18):
I think there's some confusion between multi-region DVD players and Region 0 discs. A Region 0 DVD is supposed to play on a DVD player programmed for any region. A multi-region DVD player will play DVDs from regions it's not supposed to.

No, there is not. Falstaff's zone free BD should be playable in his zone A player. However, Sony may indeed have some restrictions for it's zone A players and they may indeed refuse other than zone A discs. I have a feeling that they had done something similar to their DVD players many years ago.

Now, here's the solution for all this region/zone bullshit:

http://www.bombayelectronics.com/Opp...Free_Blu_Ray_Player_p/op_bdp83.htm

It may be a bit pricey, but apparently it's a good player too.
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RE: "region Free" Blu-ray Not Working In US?

Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:02 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 20):

Steady on! I wasn't referring to you but to some of the other replies.  
Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 20):
I have a feeling that they had done something similar to their DVD players many years ago.

Maybe but not on any of mine.
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:49 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 20):
Now, here's the solution for all this region/zone bullshit:

http://www.bombayelectronics.com/Opp...3.htm

That's going to be my first BD player - my DVD is an oppo as well. Amazing bang for buck (although it appears expensive to $50 players), and it's hardware modded for region free BD.

I'm still not convinced to spend the money on BD quite yet.....
 
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:07 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 11):
That would make sense with Hollywood production and region 2 (B for BD) discs. However, why is it locked the other way around? European movie production is virtually non-existent around here, so what are they protecting? No money made, no money lost. The whole thing is only good to annoy people. Because of this idiotic restriction I can't have European movies in HD quality

Because they can ? Because US companies don't want that concurrence even if it isn't a big one ? I wasn't even aware of this "region 0" thing, I stopped buying DVDs a long time ago.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:38 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 23):
I wasn't even aware of this "region 0" thing, I stopped buying DVDs a long time ago.

I don't think it's an official region code as such. Though it's called "Region 0", I think it works by either not setting a region code on the DVD at all or by setting all the "real" region codes.

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