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Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:43 pm

For as long as I can remember, tap water has been excellent here.
But a couple of days ago, tap water started smelling of chlorine. It is really easily noticeable, and today was especially bad.

The water works say, they spottted a "minor contamination" and added chlorine as a safety measure. They didn't mention what they consider a "minor" contamination, nor what kind of bacterias they found - small pox? The plague?
They say, I had no reason to be concerned. They didn't mention why not, after all they now add more of that stuff than they did days ago.
They say quality will be back to normal as soon as Wednesday. They didn't mention the year.

*Bleech* I wonder how people manage to live with chlorine in tap water every day. Tomorrow will see me shoping for table water. Which of the 30+ a supermarked stocks is safe to drink?
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:49 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
I wonder how people manage to live with chlorine in tap water every day.

I'm pretty sure that most municipal water systems add chlorine to the supplier as a standard precaution. However you normally can't tell it's in there (only when they "shock" the system).

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:00 am

I think the stress you are putting yourself through is probably more unhealthy than whatever was in your drinking water. Often times, algae can contaminate drinking water supplies during warm summer months. There is virtually no health risk from most of these but its prudent to clean them out.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:07 am

Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
The water works say, they spottted a "minor contamination" and added chlorine as a safety measure.

Could the floods be the reason? That is if your part of Germany was affected by them at all.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:24 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 1):
I'm pretty sure that most municipal water systems add chlorine to the supplier as a standard precaution.

Not here.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
Could the floods be the reason?

I live south of Munich, not in Saxonia, but yes, the day long rain could be the problem or part of it. Lake Starnberg is more than 80 cm over normal.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
think the stress you are putting yourself through is probably more unhealthy than whatever was in your drinking water.

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:26 am

I, unfortunately, have lived all my life with chlorine water coming out from my faucets. So, I'm pretty used to it by now, though there are times when the water seems to be more chlorine than water. A strong smell or plain white water is the indication that there is a strong concentration of chlorine.   

I don't know how my dad can drink directly from the faucet. When the lights go out, our refrigerator does not dispense water (DUH!) and the gallons of water we set aside are usually empty because my dad prefers to drink from them rather than filtered water from the fridge. Anyway, when we are with a power outage, you'll find my dad going up to the sink faucet and filling his glass with water...if it were me, I'd do this:   
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:40 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 4):
Not here.

Yes, I see. Nothing is added after drawing from the groundwater.
http://www.swm.de/en/products/mwasser.html

However according the the chemical reports the groundwater appears to have naturally occurring chlorine compounds and so may not need any more to be added normally:
http://www.swm.de/dokumente/swm/pdf/wasser/trinkwasserwerte.pdf

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:43 am

Plain white water? So when you fill it in a glass it looks like diluted milk or so? Amazing.
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:54 am

Tugger, that's a different provider, I am a bit south of Munich, in Wolfratshausen/Bad Tölz, and the provider here has an anouncement online.
I'm quite often in Munich but never tasted chlorine in tap water.
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Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:08 am

You could always blame it on the communists. They're trying to get to your precious bodily fluids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY&

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:21 am

That sounds unfortunate, but I'm sure that it is still completely safe. People like us in modern countries have idea about the bad water that is drank in poorer countries. I too find it somewhat intolerable that my water has a hint of chlorine smell and makes my skin a bit dry. But it could be much worse...   
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:43 pm

It's most probably caused by the recent rainfalls. Even if there are no floods, ground water levels are unusually high, so ground water may mix with unclean water sources at some places.

Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
Which of the 30+ a supermarked stocks is safe to drink?

They all are. Buy the cheapest one and see whether it tastes any good.
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:28 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Thread starter):
But a couple of days ago, tap water started smelling of chlorine. It is really easily noticeable, and today was especially bad.

They do it here all the time , after they have done it you switch on the shower and its like being in a public swimming pool its so strong. I never drink the tap water here either.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:43 pm

Quoting oa260 (Reply 12):
They do it here all the time , after they have done it you switch on the shower and its like being in a public swimming pool its so strong. I never drink the tap water here either.

To be honest I've never noticed it: the quality of the tap water here (from the Roundwood reservoir) is about as good as you'll get, and a hell of a lot better than a lot of countries. I know you live near the border, but where does your water supply come from?
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:35 pm

You could put tap water in a jug and put it in the fridge for some time, the chlorine will go away. My folks do that. Personally I don't like non carbonated water so I buy bottled water, almost always San Pellegrino.
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:47 pm

For those that have tap water with smells of chlorine or a heavy mineral taste, condider getting one of those filtering pitchers like Britta, which I use for most of my drinking water needs. I find the work pretty good, the filters are reasonably priced, a lot cheaper than bottled water and the lugging around of full containers and disposal of empties.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:02 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 7):
Plain white water? So when you fill it in a glass it looks like diluted milk or so? Amazing.

That can also happen if their is too much pressure in the system as well. In my apartment, for some time, this was the case. Water came out of the tap very cloudy, but within 1 minute, would turn clear.

That has since been rectified and it now comes out clear all the time.
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:29 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 13):
I know you live near the border, but where does your water supply come from?

Its a rural water scheme, the lime is dreadful you boil a brand new kettle once and its covered in it and the chlorine is very strong. Typical I woke up this morning washed out my water filter and they have put more chlorine in overnight and its as strong as ever.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:31 am

While Berlin´s water company has chlorination facilities in their plants for emergency use, they have, to my knowledge, never had to use them. Berlin´s water is, as it came from the well and through normal filtration process, so clean that it passes the microbial checks (done in the plants about every hour or so) well below the legal limits.
The coldwar American forces in West Berlin never trusted Berlin´s regular water and had a treatment plant of their own built, where they heavily chlorinated the water for the American military installations.

Also in the rural region I´m living in now I´ve never experienced the water to be chlorinated.

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:37 am

Quoting oa260 (Reply 17):
Its a rural water scheme, the lime is dreadful you boil a brand new kettle once and its covered in it and the chlorine is very strong. Typical I woke up this morning washed out my water filter and they have put more chlorine in overnight and its as strong as ever

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:10 am

I get it through my water supply too, and it's a pain in the ass because I'm allergic to chlorine - it inflames my eyes quite badly, so I can't use public swimming pools either. We live quite close to the water works for the North of my city, and seem to get it particularly badly, especially just before weekends. The daft thing is that before it gets 'treated' the water is lovely - filtered through Dartmoor peat bogs and natural streams. Then in the last 400m to my house they go and ruin it   


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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:32 pm

*Wheew* the chlorine smell is gone ...

Quoting oa260 (Reply 12):
you switch on the shower and its like being in a public swimming pool its so strong.

Exactly. After my morning shower I always had the feeling I need another shower.

It's hard to imagine that so many people have to live without a reliable and safe water supply. And the number of those is increasing: The world population is growing by some 200,000 every day, and all of them want to drink. At the same time, climate change threatens wells, as do urbanization and agriculture.
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:56 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 21):
It's hard to imagine that so many people have to live without a reliable and safe water supply. And the number of those is increasing: The world population is growing by some 200,000 every day, and all of them want to drink. At the same time, climate change threatens wells, as do urbanization and agriculture.

It really is true; when you live in very urban and modern countries, it is hard to see.

I recall watching a video during college where people in certain parts of Israel (which I always thought to be fairly modern) live on less than a gallon of water PER DAY. Showers? Luxury.
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:28 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 7):
Plain white water? So when you fill it in a glass it looks like diluted milk or so? Amazing.

Chlorine is added directly into the line in gaseous form. So the white is actually mutitudes of little bubbles in the water, just leave it to settle and the chlorine will actually disperse into the atmosphere, give the glass a swirl and leave it a little longer. Chlorine has been used as a water disinfectant for ages and at those concentrations, nothing is going to happen to you. In fact, Chlorine in gas from (though a very strong disinfectant) is so volatile that many doubt it´s effectiveity in water treatment.

The only thing that may be bothersome is it´s distinctive taste, or the possible presence of other compounds in the water with which it can react forming more dangerous byproducts.

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:33 pm

I happen to be a water quality chemist.
I must say that I'm impressed that Berlin has a nonchlorinated groundwater supply. Not many cities can do that (for several reasons).
I'd mention the positives of chlorination but no one here really wants a lecture, so I won't, but you can look it up if you want.

What I do want to say without knowing the specifics of your "chlorination event", is that these are often a result of a main break in the system, or an event that causes an increase in the water's turbidity such as a big rainfall event (for surface source water). It is the turbidity that can cause the need for the chlorine and not necessarily a positive test for bacteria or something else dangerous. In fact, had they found such things, at least in the US, a "boil water" order is given. So I'd guess the chlorine was just to keep your water safe, not to make it safe.

I don't care for the chlorine at my tap either, but I know that its presence is necessary for my safety (where I live).

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Can't help myself. Here's a link about chlorination...
http://www.waterandhealth.org/drinkingwater/before.php3

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:12 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 24):
I happen to be a water quality chemist.
I must say that I'm impressed that Berlin has a nonchlorinated groundwater supply. Not many cities can do that (for several reasons).
I'd mention the positives of chlorination but no one here really wants a lecture, so I won't, but you can look it up if you want.

AFAIK the water coming out of the taps in Denmark is never treated with chlorine and as you say, if the water is dangerous we are told to boil the water.

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:27 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 6):
However according the the chemical reports the groundwater appears to have naturally occurring chlorine compounds and so may not need any more to be added normally:

Although my german is a bit rusty, those chlorinated compounds at the concentrations listed don't provide any disinfection effect. In fact if you had them much higher they would be causing people to feel light-headed.

Quoting 4holer (Reply 24):
What I do want to say without knowing the specifics of your "chlorination event", is that these are often a result of a main break in the system, or an event that causes an increase in the water's turbidity such as a big rainfall event (for surface source water). It is the turbidity that can cause the need for the chlorine and not necessarily a positive test for bacteria or something else dangerous. In fact, had they found such things, at least in the US, a "boil water" order is given. So I'd guess the chlorine was just to keep your water safe, not to make it safe.

You beat me to it.

Quoting captaink (Reply 23):
Chlorine is added directly into the line in gaseous form. So the white is actually mutitudes of little bubbles in the water, just leave it to settle and the chlorine will actually disperse into the atmosphere, give the glass a swirl and leave it a little longer.

Which is why a lot of municipalities here in the states open hydrants near the end of water lines periodically. There is less flow in these areas and the Cl concentration drops below the mandated level.

Let the water sit out for a while or boil it for a few minutes if the taste bothers you. It's a gas and will evaporate quickly leaving you with water without a chlorine taste.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:36 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 19):
Yuk! You should move down here . . .

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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:01 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 24):
I don't care for the chlorine at my tap either, but I know that its presence is necessary for my safety (where I live).

Don't you LOVE the Colorado river basin water? Water from distant mountains and filtered through hundreds of thousands of square miles of desert sand, then pumped hundreds of miles to your tap.... High mineral content anyone?

Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 26):
Although my german is a bit rusty, those chlorinated compounds at the concentrations listed don't provide any disinfection effect. In fact if you had them much higher they would be causing people to feel light-headed.

Actually the amount in the water in my area is listed to be just 3ppm and, if I am reading it correctly, the German report was showing higher than that (
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:16 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 1):
I'm pretty sure that most municipal water systems add chlorine to the supplier as a standard precaution.

I would rather have some level of chlorine than catching some nasty bugs.

I would be much less keen on them adding fluouride to our tap water.  
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:46 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 28):
Actually the amount in the water in my area is listed to be just 3ppm and, if I am reading it correctly, the German report was showing higher than that (

I see what you're talking about and it is listed as chloride. Chloride is a chlorine ion formed typically from the dissolution of chlorine containing salts, but provides no disinfection effect. Chloride is ubiquitous in both surface and groundwater and this most potable water supplies. Interestingly it's needed to help your body regulate it's metabolism. I was talking about the organic chlorine compounds listed at or below the detection limit.
 
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RE: Rant: Chlorine In Tap Water

Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:05 pm

Nothing wrong with using 'chemicals' the proper way , however never forget the 'dead'/inactive organic stuff (also called bio film) is still in there and your body still has to find a way to get rid off it after consuming the water....

At home we are using Cl just as an oxidation agent and filter the cr..p out afterwards (called ultra filtration) and we do not remove any important minerals like RO systems do... After 4 years of use we have to admit our health has improved greatly, our animals (cats & dogs) do fantastic, we are able to use 90% less cleaners (steamer now) and our house is cleaner than before ..., my daughters pollen allergies are gone for good....

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