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Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:11 am

This event took place a few days ago. A Sri Lankan maid was tortured and hammered 24 nails into her body in Saudi Arabia after she complained of too heavy workload.
Reuters report at http://bit.ly/cUKrcZ
Let alone the brutality of this event, a key question local media and authorities have been asking is - how did she pass the Riyadh airport scans ?
Aren't the metal nails detected through them ?
The local media showed the X Ray scans of the maid clearly showing considerably sized nails in her body.

[Edited 2010-08-26 02:13:24]
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:22 am

Perhaps the nails, which are relatively small in size are pressed deep within the maid's flesh to cause any metal detection. Or perhaps she was manually checked after sounding an alarm in the security?
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:23 am

Many Saudies aren't any better then the Taliban. However they have oil and Billions they spend in the West. I'm hardly intersted how she got through security, the more what action is taken against a government that closes it eyes for events like these and whats behind it.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:04 am

Quoting skord (Reply 3):

They're not being insensitive. We are all stunned and sickened by what happened to the lady. They're simply answering the question that's been asked by the person starting this thread.

I'm just thankful this lady was able to escape her torturers.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:08 am

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
Many Saudies aren't any better then the Taliban. However they have oil and Billions they spend in the West. I'm hardly intersted how she got through security, the more what action is taken against a government that closes it eyes for events like these and whats behind it.




  

I was thinking the same.
This is absolutely sickening to read!
I've heard of similar stories just like this coming out of Saudi Arabia.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:16 am

In the place I live she would have been rushed to the nearest hospital and helped, regardless of her origins, income, social record or even criminaliteit status. The one who did it would be behind bars in hours, even if they were the royal family.

Any backgrounds on this case?
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:40 am

As per reports, the home owner had hired her in violation of Sri Lankan embassy regulations ( no over 45 women can be hired as maids, which however makes the lady having violated the rules too ). IIRC, the lady stated to local media here that it was the home owner's daughter who was most brutal and hit most nails.
In my opinion, however this would become another forgotten case. Saudi Arabia is a powerful and rich power compared to my beautiful but poor island.

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Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:51 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):
s per reports, the home owner had hired her in violation of Sri Lankan embassy regulations

Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction or authority does Sri Lankan embassy have over Saudi nationals in Saudi Arabia??? My guess is that the embassy can make nonbinding recommendations with zero powers to enforce them but that's about it.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:57 am

L410, I believe the Ministry of Foreign Employment. Nevertheless, there's a regulation that women over 45 cannot be hired as maids, which I'm sure of.

Here's another report -
They had first hit nails in her leg when a glass had been broken by her. Later the wife had hit a nail in her forehead when she complained

http://lbo.lk/fullstory.php?nid=578128998
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:01 pm

Quoting keesje (Reply 5):
The one who did it would be behind bars in hours

Only to be released after a few months in luxury jail.

Looking at the shocking Xray photo, it is indeed strange that metal detectors didn't pick her up. However maybe she took a different form of transportation back?

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Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:20 pm

@CrimsonNL She flew RUH-CMB , either with SV or UL. This was mentioned on media here and also AFP. Plus, it is extremely unlikely for any worker to sail from RUH to CMB.
Here are the photos of the X rays

In other news, the lady has been done a surgery today.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:29 pm

This is shocking. The Maid should be compensated by the people that did this. The couple should face jail, will be interesting to see how the Saudi authorities handle this.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:43 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):
the home owner's daughter who was most brutal and hit most nails.


Will for sure grow up to be a loving mother, and when her kids do something that doesn't please her.......go figure.
It's sick! Not only is it sick that the adults did this to her, but they let the children take part in the torture as well. Just sick!
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:49 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
The Maid should be compensated by the people that did this. The couple should face jail, will be interesting to see how the Saudi authorities handle this.

That will never happen. Honestly I think it's part of the Saudi psyche in certain parts of society to treat foreign maids like they're disposable *at best*. Even in the US I hear stories fairly often about Saudi families tossing their maids down stairs or worse.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):
the lady stated to local media here that it was the home owner's daughter who was most brutal and hit most nails.

Generally I'm anti eye-for-an-eye, but this is a perfect case to try it out.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:56 pm

I wonder why anyone is surprised by the brutality and lack of value for human life that comes from these regions. Culturally it seems that they're unwilling to come unstuck from medieval times. It's one of the reasons many people confuse Islam with the cultural mores of the regions where it's strongest. Frankly I think that the people involved would read the worst into Christianity...hell, some of them would figure out an excuse to do evil in Buddha's name.

The lack of value associated with a human life (or worse, the belief that others are less than human based on whatever standards are instilled from the formative years) leads people to believe they are justified in treating other humans as chattel and worse. I'd not treat a working animal this way, but then I was raised to understand not simply how inhumane and wrong it is, but how counterproductive it is. Until it's uneconomic for such behaviour to be tolerated it won't end. Every civil rights movement that has ever worked has involved not just sympathy from those who are revulsed and offended by the injustice, but economic discomfort directly associated to the behaviour being targeted.

How do we help the people being trampled realize it's not their lot in life to be trampled on this way. Women, children and the weak or foreign in these cultures are the most abused people, and their economic masters use religion and laws to keep them weak, much the same as in cultures that practiced/practice (they're still out there) slavery. Which by the way is also practiced to varying degrees in nations of that region, not just Saudi.

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Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:12 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
psyche in certain parts of society

History has repeatedly shown that if others are deemed beneath you or less than human or less than "pure" then awful things can happen to those others. The power of persuasion/religion/indoctrination/culture... take your pick
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:27 pm

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
I'm hardly intersted how she got through security, the more what action is taken against a government that closes it eyes for events like these and whats behind it.

It is very depressing flying back from Dharhan to Singapore talking to some of the flocks of Indonesian housemaids on the flights. One pair just in front of me at one security stage were in tears and I asked what the problem was, and they had been dropped off at the airport after 3 years work with $100, and according to them, that was all they ever got. Except many of their friends obviously got a bit more as could easily be seen when they removed their outer "tents".

The Indonesian government were at one stage going to stop the trade, but it still seems to continue. And on the other side, in Indonesian villages stories are still told about being a maid is a path to riches in spite of the experiences to the contrary. Very sad.

What are the good Saudis (and I met many of them) doing about it?

So this sad episode does not entirely surprise.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:51 pm

I have a friend working in Saudi as a Paramedic, with whatever EMS they have there, and he asked if whenever I got through with my current tour in the sandbox, I wanted to come work at some hospital there? All I could do was laugh!! I have no desire to ever step foot in Saudi, as a civilian! You can have that place, I wish the oil would dry up, so no one would ever care about it, and their oppressive ways.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:01 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 10):
Here are the photos of the X rays

Looks like used nails.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:08 pm

And in fact, one of the reasons most South Indians, and Sri Lankans prefer UL for travel to Mid East is that they are treated as "humans". Not sure of EK, EY and QR, but a complaint I've often heard is that most Mid East airlines treat South Asians travelling in Y as slaves. I guess a finger naturally points at SV, though I've never travelled with them.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:52 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 19):
most Mid East airlines treat South Asians travelling in Y as slaves.

You can add SQ if you like. They treated me just fine, but the Indonesians in the row behind had no English (and rather less Chinese!!) and you would have thought that an SQ 747 would have had a few FAs who spoke Bahasa Malayu which would have been fine for the Indonesians. As it was I had to explain to them what the FAs were trying to tell them. And very stroppy the FAs were too.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:14 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
It is very depressing flying back from Dharhan to Singapore talking to some of the flocks of Indonesian housemaids on the flights. One pair just in front of me at one security stage were in tears and I asked what the problem was, and they had been dropped off at the airport after 3 years work with $100, and according to them, that was all they ever got. Except many of their friends obviously got a bit more as could easily be seen when they removed their outer "tents".

The Indonesian government were at one stage going to stop the trade, but it still seems to continue. And on the other side, in Indonesian villages stories are still told about being a maid is a path to riches in spite of the experiences to the contrary. Very sad.

I´m familiar with this issue from the Filipino side. The problem is that not so many decades ago, slavery was legal in Saudi Arabia and many Gulf states (in fact there existed a huge slave trade from Africa to Arabic countries in parallel to the much better known slave trade of African slaves to the Americas).
Even though slavery has been banned since many years, the mentality obviously still sticks with many Saudis.

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Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:21 pm

This is horrifying but not at all surprising. You can use your oil wealth to buy shiny new planes, Ferraris, estates in Marbella/the Cote d'Azur but you can't buy a sliver of decency. I've seen it in every single one of the GCC countries I've been to. If you're foreign you are worth less than a local and treated as such. The GCC powers that be know this and exploit guest laborers. They know that their respective countries of citizenship are too gutless/powerless to do a damn thing about it. For those of you not familiar with the very real pecking order in Saudi it is as follows:

Saudi ruling elite
Wealthy Saudi elite
Saudi Citizens
Other GCC Arabs
Other Arabs
White westerners
Non-white westerners
Filipinos / South Asians
Africans

I am told by a Qatari friend of mine, Nawaf, that in some parts of the gulf the word Filipino is synonymous with maid.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction or authority does Sri Lankan embassy have over Saudi nationals in Saudi Arabia

Zero.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 19):
in fact, one of the reasons most South Indians, and Sri Lankans prefer UL for travel to Mid East is that they are treated as "humans". Not sure of EK, EY and QR, but a complaint I've often heard is that most Mid East airlines treat South Asians travelling in Y as slaves.

I've seen this firsthand on EK and QR flights. On one QR flight the sheer amount of disdain I saw the FAs show towards Nepali laborers was like nothing I had ever seen in my life. Sure they're a handful but the treatment I saw was simply uncalled for. The real irony is that the upper echelon of the GCC elite see FAs as in the same light, as guest laborers.

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Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:35 pm

Absolutely sickening. I wonder how long before they would have actually killed her. I am happy that this Sri Lankan lady was able to get away from Saudi Arabia. What would have happened if the maid had tried to defend herself and in the process nailed a couple in her torturer's hands. Would she have lost her hands?

The things the world ignores, just for oil.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 17):
I have no desire to ever step foot in Saudi, as a civilian! You can have that place, I wish the oil would dry up, so no one would ever care about it, and their oppressive ways.

  

Any other country with this record of human rights abuse would have been sanctioned a long time ago.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:29 pm

Quoting golfradio (Reply 23):
Any other country with this record of human rights abuse would have been sanctioned a long time ago.

The irony is that Saudi Arabia is a member of the UN Human Rights Council.

One more shining example of the ridiculous existence of the UN, but Saudi Arabia has no recognition of fundamental human rights.
 
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:05 pm

Absolutely sickening. This is the reason why I have no desire to visit those places or even fly their airlines. Experienced this when I flew Gulf Air (when they were still flying to JNB), the JNB-AUH route was great, new aircraft, good FAs with good service..the AUH-BOM flight was just a nightmare. You could plainly see the way the FAs were treating the people on that flight..full of contempt and disgust..as if those people were slaves.

A friend of mine (she is Australian, born here but of Filipino origin) was asked if she was a maid when flying on EK once..how !#@!@ disgusting is that..assuming everyone who remotely looks Filipino/South Asian is a maid.
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Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:07 pm

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
However they have oil and Billions they spend in the West.

  

Quoting keesje (Reply 2):
I'm hardly intersted how she got through security, the more what action is taken against a government that closes it eyes for events like these and whats behind it.

None.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:54 am

First of all, torturous acts on foreign workers or even other citizens and children happens all over the world, including in Europe and the USA. That this happened in Saudi Arabia is not just because of their culture.

The real problem for this woman and far too many migrant workers all over the world is that they have to leave their home countries to find sufficient income so their families can survive and their employers exploit them to abusive extremes. Physical violence, enslavement including working for well below minimum wages, put into sex trades, to commit crimes including transporting drugs.
 
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:35 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 27):
That this happened in Saudi Arabia is not just because of their culture.

Saudi Arabia, and the wider Arab world, has a disproportionate number of these events; it's really quite extraordinary. It's rare to hear of countries banning or attempting to ban their own citizens from working in another (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc) as housemaids--that's how endemic it is. Just google maid abuse and the cases are almost exclusively in the Arab world.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:56 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 27):
First of all, torturous acts on foreign workers or even other citizens and children happens all over the world, including in Europe and the USA. That this happened in Saudi Arabia is not just because of their culture.

If anybody in the civilized world had tried to pull sh*t like this they would have had their sorry a$$es behind bars. It's only in the Gulf states that the citizens get away with even the most extreme of abuse.

I can't even imagine what kind of humans can do this to another.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:23 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
Culturally it seems that they're unwilling to come unstuck from medieval times.

According to them, it is the year 1453.

Take that as you will.

Quoting slider (Reply 24):

The irony is that Saudi Arabia is a member of the UN Human Rights Council.

Irony would imply that the UN meant anything.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 27):
First of all, torturous acts on foreign workers or even other citizens and children happens all over the world, including in Europe and the USA. That this happened in Saudi Arabia is not just because of their culture.

Yes, I know. There are evil people everywhere. The difference is, if you get caught here, you go to jail for a long time.



Anyways, I'm rather surprised our resident Arabian hasn't been here to try and defend this. After all, their country, their rules, right?  
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:46 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
The couple should face jail, will be interesting to see how the Saudi authorities handle this.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Generally I'm anti eye-for-an-eye, but this is a perfect case to try it out.

Yeah isn't that how they like to handle justice over there. They should show they aren't hypocrites and treat this the same way they usually do.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:16 am

Quoting iairallie (Reply 31):
They should show they aren't hypocrites

They're not hypocrites.

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Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:29 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 6):

In my opinion, however this would become another forgotten case. Saudi Arabia is a powerful and rich power compared to my beautiful but poor island.

Unsurprised. This is a place ruled occupied by a gangsteresque family that has no regard for human rights or acknowledgement that the rest of the world has long since moved on from crap like this. This is the place that murdered a guy earlier this year for the offense of "sorcery." That should tell you everything you need to know about how things are done over there... Rather, not done...

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
will be interesting to see how the Saudi authorities handle this

They won't. That's how.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 30):


Anyways, I'm rather surprised our resident Arabian hasn't been here to try and defend this. After all, their country, their rules, right?

I was too. But you know, there are things that really can't be defended, no matter what one's little flag in the corner says. Could be he finds this disgusting too....

Quoting iairallie (Reply 31):
They should show they aren't hypocrites and treat this the same way they usually do.

They are treating this the way they usually do. This woman was foreign, brown skinned, and old... Their lack of action so far is pretty par for the course I would say...
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:54 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 19):
I've often heard is that most Mid East airlines treat South Asians travelling in Y as slaves.
Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
I've seen this firsthand on EK and QR flights.
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 25):
This is the reason why I have no desire to visit those places or even fly their airlines.

I knew there were something about Emirates I just didn't trust. The whole image they're projecting just seems so fake.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:19 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
Saudi Arabia, and the wider Arab world, has a disproportionate number of these events; it's really quite extraordinary.

The trouble is these are only the cases we hear of. There are surely many many more such cases that never get discovered. There are all sorts of weird and crazy things happeneing behind those high walled houses in those countries.

Reading that story just makes me really sick.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:57 am

Surgery removes 18 nails. Six could not be removed as doing so would have threatened her life -
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/n...66,maid-tortured-saudi-arabia.html

Government to meet Saudi ambassador -
http://www.dailymirror.lk/index.php/news/6122-gl-envoy-talks.html
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:36 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 30):
Anyways, I'm rather surprised our resident Arabian hasn't been here to try and defend this. After all, their country, their rules, right?


I only defend what i am convinced is right, do not extend a blanket on all actions as some of them i do not agree with.
This is a disgusting, sick, shocking and inhuman action by this family. I would like to extend my deep apologies to this poor lady on behalf of myself and the people of Saudi Arabia
In today's AlRiyadh newspaper there was an article about this and it seems that the King asked for a complete investigation and that if true that criminal charges against the family to be started.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 33):
This is the place that murdered a guy earlier this year for the offense of "sorcery."


He was not executed as far as i know.
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Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:03 pm

Tragic and disgusting, but hardly surprising. It's unthinkable that a human being would wish to do something like this to another human being.

I have lived in the Gulf for more than 4 years now and spent over 2 of them in Saudi Arabia. Trust me, I know plenty of Saudis who are among the kindest, most respectful, most generous and most intelligent people in the world. I have been to peoples' houses and see how they treat their maids. One family in particular stands out - the parents and young children all treated the maid with the utmost dignity and appreciated her work, and the father gave her own mobile phone which he paid for just to call her family in Indonesia everyday if she wanted to.

Then of course you have the other extreme. Another guy's filipino maid jumped off the balcony of their house to commit suicide, landed on the floor and broke her leg, realised that she hadn't jumped from high enough, couldn't stand up and waited 3 hours for her employer to come home and find her while security guards and other people on the street ignored her. When she got to the hospital, the doctor suggested bandaging her up and sending her back to the Philippines, and that he didn't want to degrade himself by operating on a filipino. What a disgrace to the medical profession and the hippocratic oath.

Saudi Arabia is like any other country, you have the best and the worst, only the worst are somehow worse than other countries and there doesn't seem to be the same moral equivalency for everybody. Saudi is not unique in this regard and frankly probably not the worst in the Gulf, all the other GCC states are as bad and Kuwait is probably worse. Frankly I am embarrassed, appalled and angered about the stuff that I hear about the treatment of maids in Lebanon sometimes.

Root causes? Well there are a few, this is certainly one:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 21):
The problem is that not so many decades ago, slavery was legal in Saudi Arabia and many Gulf states (in fact there existed a huge slave trade from Africa to Arabic countries in parallel to the much better known slave trade of African slaves to the Americas).
Even though slavery has been banned since many years, the mentality obviously still sticks with many Saudis.

Another root cause is that there is cleary a pecking order in society. In general, non muslims are not respected to the same extent as muslims, and even within that muslims from poorer countries are not treated with any real dignity. I personally was called an infidel by a Saudi mutawa (religious police) after he told me to go and pray and I told him I was Christian.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
Saudi ruling elite
Wealthy Saudi elite
Saudi Citizens
Other GCC Arabs
Other Arabs
White westerners
Non-white westerners
Filipinos / South Asians
Africans

Agreed...though I would describe it slightly differently.

1. Saudi ruling elite
2. Wealthy Saudi elite
3. Saudi citizens except Shias

Then a small jump

4. Other GCC Arabs except for Shias and Omanis
5. Omanis

Then a big jump

5. Other Arabs...I feel like they are tolerated because most are Muslim but many Saudis look down on them a least a little bit
6. White westerners (given respect in a professional environment)

Then another big jump

7. All Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Filipinos, Indonesians
8. Bangladeshis
9. Africans

Then another jump

9. Shiites and druze and other infidels who should have known better
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:19 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 37):
In today's AlRiyadh newspaper there was an article about this and it seems that the King asked for a complete investigation and that if true that criminal charges against the family to be started.

And do you think the "eye for an eye" treatment will apply here?

I can answer that one--no. Not only because she's not a citizen, but because any investigation will be a kangaroo court, merely to placate the outside. Meanwhile, the continued rampant human rights abuses, subjugation of people, a virtual slave class and total neglect of individual liberty will proceed unchecked. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

Also, I noticed you didn't respond to my documentation in the other thread about Saudi human rights abuses (the spinal paralysis thread). Almost as if by fate, then THIS thread shows up adding even more affirmation to the massive body of evidence that S.A. is a human rights no man's land. I'd appreciate it if you could refute any of it.
 
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:49 pm

Why would Filipino's continue going to places in the Gulf knowing full well how their type are treated there? I'm sorry to generalize but European/American maids are most often Filipinos and they are treated substantially better than those who work in Arab nations. Many Arabs in general (especially the wealthier) have a very high sense of entitlement and their views of non-Arabs are often extremely negative. Desperation for money is one thing but where does the line get drawn? Why put yourself in a situation of almost certain danger by working for a wealthy, often overly ego-inflated Saudi family when there are Western nations that are much more appreciative (generally) of your labor? I'd rather beg on the streets or go hungry than jump into a shark tank.

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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:55 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 40):
Western nations that are much more appreciative (generally) of your labor?

Or, if you're really lucky

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...erits-4-million-from-employer.html

A devoted Filipina maid inherited $4 million (£2.6 million) from her late employer after more than 20 years of service at his Singapore home.
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:32 pm

DXB is similar in the sense of having a sub-class of virtual slaves.

Behind the glitter, there is a raw underbelly.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...he-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html
 
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:46 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
DXB is similar in the sense of having a sub-class of virtual slaves.

It seems to be anywhere in the Muslim world from Morrocco to Malaysia, from Nigeria to Jordan.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 40):
Why would Filipino's continue going to places in the Gulf knowing full well how their type are treated there?

If you're a poor, perhaps illiterate, Filipino girl, how are you going to know what the heck is going on in the Gulf? Google it on the computer you don't have? Interview your employers on the phone you don't have?
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:21 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
DXB is similar in the sense of having a sub-class of virtual slaves.

Behind the glitter, there is a raw underbelly.

I really hope this gets more exposure and bring to light what a fascad that place really is.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 43):
It seems to be anywhere in the Muslim world from Morocco to Malaysia, from Nigeria to Jordan.

Uh-oh, be careful. You just may have offended someone.  
Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 40):
Why would Filipino's continue going to places in the Gulf knowing full well how their type are treated there?

Huh?
Many well off westerners aren't even aware if this.
If they knew how bad they'd be treated, they wouldn't go.

Quoting sudden (Reply 12):
Not only is it sick that the adults did this to her, but they let the children take part in the torture as well.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. I've seen entire families being extremely rude & obnoxious to waiters and other customer service staff here in Bangkok and in Singapore.
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:29 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 43):
If you're a poor, perhaps illiterate, Filipino girl, how are you going to know what the heck is going on in the Gulf? Google it on the computer you don't have? Interview your employers on the phone you don't have?
Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):

I really hope this gets more exposure and bring to light what a fascad that place really is.

Agree with both gents.

And unlike the Filipina lady in RUH, she was actually able to get out!

In the DXB article, many of those laborers, from nannies and maids to actual construction workers, have their passports confiscated so they cannot even depart!! It is, in every sense of the word, slavery.

The growing evidence of so many Islamic states and the rampant human rights abuses are why I remain such a vocal critic of them and why all this talk about “moderate” Islam is quite specious because it goes on in full daylight. It’s why I had such a documented retort to another poster who dared to claim that Saudi justice is fair.
 
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:38 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
In the DXB article, many of those laborers, from nannies and maids to actual construction workers, have their passports confiscated so they cannot even depart!! It is, in every sense of the word, slavery.

Is there a world-wide campaign to call attention to this?
I'm not much a Sally Struthers, 'Save-the-world' type of person but this is something I'd get involved with and help bring this to an end.

Quoting slider (Reply 45):
The growing evidence of so many Islamic states and the rampant human rights abuses are why I remain such a vocal critic of them and why all this talk about “moderate” Islam is quite specious because it goes on in full daylight. It’s why I had such a documented retort to another poster who dared to claim that Saudi justice is fair.

Oh but it's a religion of peace.  
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:49 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
Is there a world-wide campaign to call attention to this?
I'm not much a Sally Struthers, 'Save-the-world' type of person but this is something I'd get involved with and help bring this to an end.

Are you kidding? That would be politically incorrect. Plus it automatically gets you branded a (fill in the blank here): Islamophobe, racist, bigot, radical right wing hater, what have you…. YAWN.

Why does the administration and Obama bend over backwards (literally bowing) to appease Islam but say nothing about this? The realpolitik of OIL is one massive reason, of course, but isn’t it further curious why our own efforts to become energy independent are thwarted deliberately by Obama (the offshore moratorium for instance, which holds no intellectual defense at all)? So he can go and kiss the ring of the House of Saud and the very Wahhabists who would kill us.

No, that’s not how it goes, Supe. Now keep walking, there’s nothing to see here….

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):

Oh but it's a religion of peace.

That's the lie they keep repeating anyhow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=related
 
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 7:54 pm

Some maids are also not so angelic, they can be quite bitchy and conniving.
 
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RE: Tortured Maid With 24 Nails In Body Pass Through RUH Airport

Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:00 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 47):
Why does the administration and Obama bend over backwards (literally bowing) to appease Islam but say nothing about this? The realpolitik of OIL is one massive reason, of course, but isn’t it further curious why our own efforts to become energy independent are thwarted deliberately by Obama (the offshore moratorium for instance, which holds no intellectual defense at all)? So he can go and kiss the ring of the House of Saud and the very Wahhabists who would kill us.

To be fair, this had been going on long before Obama was elected President.




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