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Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:37 am

Oh well, so close to the summit.

I hope they wont set things back to far, once the talks begin, if they begin after this.

These are the sorts of comments you'd expect from Hamas, or Iraq.

Here is a doozie of a quote from the rabbi.

''All these evil people should perish from this world … God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,'' he said as he also singled out Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Bibi wont whack him over the knuckles for saying this, saying only that his views don't reflect those of the Government. Well big deal, they stir up hatred and ill will, especially a week before the talks begin.

Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?   

http://www.theage.com.au/world/israe...estinians-evil-20100830-147ad.html
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:03 am

What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel? In my opinion this is really not news whatsoever.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:03 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?   

I didn't notice that they sat down on their own volition to negotiate peace, so whatever gave you that idea?? Setting that aside completely, why should anyone who hasn't a direct stake in this ... for lack of a better word ... care?

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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:15 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?
Quoting Severnaya (Reply 1):
What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel? In my opinion this is really not news whatsoever.

I saw the pictures while I was cooking dinner and could not hear the sound so I just assumed it was an Iranian Ayatollah I had not seen before. When I found out who it really was, it turned out not to be a bad guess.

No wonder they quarrel a lot.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:28 am

" 'All these evil people should perish from this world … God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,' he said as he also singled out Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."
Classy. Just classy. And a Rabbi to boot. The road to hell is paved with the bones of "religious leaders" such as the good Rabbi.

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Bibi wont whack him over the knuckles for saying this, saying only that his views don't reflect those of the Government.

That's what he'll say, but his actions over the years have led me to believe that he would agree wholeheartedly with the above quotation.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:29 am

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 1):
What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel? In my opinion this is really not news whatsoever.

The problem is that in the eyes of very conservative politicians, Jews are only the victims and Muslims are the ones responsible for hatred. Fact is that it doesn't matter what confession you are, it's people who make hatred.

Religion is in part responsible because we humans have a tendency of interpreting religion in many different ways. For example, while Islam descents from ancient Judaism (therefore shares the same roots as Christianity and modern day Judaism) and is considered a religion of peace, there are people who interpret the Quran in a violent way (e.g. the Taliban or the Mullahs in Iran), just as Christians claim to have acted in the name of Jesus Christ when they commited crimes such as burning people at the stake for witchcraft or for "holy wars" like the Crusades.

In the end, this is why religion must be kept out of politics, because the main problem with religion is us, because of the way we interpret religion.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:17 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
These are the sorts of comments you'd expect from Hamas, or Iraq.

The guy is the spiritual head of Shas, who are so far to the right they make Meir Kahane's little gang of thugs ("Kach") seem moderate.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:22 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Oh well, so close to the summit.

I hope they wont set things back to far, once the talks begin, if they begin after this.

These are the sorts of comments you'd expect from Hamas, or Iraq.

Such comments flow daily from the mouths of Imams in Palestine and around the world about Israel. I think your post actually emphasizes the fact that while such attitudes are common enough on one side that it never makes headlines - it's an everyday event, but if it comes from the other it makes the news because it is far outside of the mainstream for that group.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:28 pm

And they say religion is not the source of the world's problems...

In my view, I find this Rabbi (or people like him, making unnecessary comments) no different than Ahmadinejad. One difference: the Rabbi belongs to a nation that is always saved from condemnation because it has Western support. Ergo, the Rabbi's side will, unfortunately, end up unscathed by any actions it takes.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
In the end, this is why religion must be kept out of politics, because the main problem with religion is us, because of the way we interpret religion.

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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:46 pm

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 1):
What's the difference with some of the muslim imams preaching hatred worldwide against the Jews and the state of Israel?

Probably not much. Just that it's not to helpful at this point in time, from either side.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 2):
I didn't notice that they sat down on their own volition to negotiate peace, so whatever gave you that idea??

who sat down, the Palestinians ?

Quoting Asturias (Reply 2):
why should anyone who hasn't a direct stake in this ... for lack of a better word ... care?

Because it make the news, nearly every second day. And it's a major hot spot, for ME conflict.

That's why people, as you put it, ....care

Quoting Baroque (Reply 3):
I saw the pictures while I was cooking dinner and could not hear the sound so I just assumed it was an Iranian Ayatollah I had not seen before

Yes, as I too said, it is perhaps more akin to something you'd hear from an outraged Iranian official than where it ended up coming from. Was a little taken aback by it, but I suppose I shouldn't have been.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
The road to hell is paved with the bones of "religious leaders" such as the good Rabbi.

I hope your right there !!
Who needs trouble makers. There are enough things to sort of of this mess, without this, to complicate matters.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 4):
That's what he'll say, but his actions over the years have led me to believe that he would agree wholeheartedly with the above quotation.

Yes well.
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
it's people who make hatred.

So true, We are our own worst enemies sometimes I think.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
but if it comes from the other it makes the news because it is far outside of the mainstream for that group.

Maybe it's just not I expected from a nation, who often calls itself more superior/moral than many of it's neighbors. Sort of knocks any credibility they might have right out the window when you hear these things though, sanctioned from the government or not.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):
One difference: the Rabbi belongs to a nation that is always saved from condemnation because it has Western support. Ergo, the Rabbi's side will, unfortunately, end up unscathed by any actions it takes.

Yes that is the sad thing, perhaps to much "western" support. Perhaps its clouded the situation somewhat, ??

The rabbi, well he can go jump IMHO.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:44 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
''All these evil people should perish from this world … God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians,'' he said as he also singled out Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

There are probably plenty of Imams who think all Jews are evil. I don't see why this is a story.

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?

Well, they probably aren't losing sleep over it. The status quo treats the Israelis quite well. They have a modern western style nation and live pretty well, while receiving quite a bit of aid from the US. It's a pretty good situation for them.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:50 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
There are probably plenty of Imams who think all Jews are evil. I don't see why this is a story.

Well please tell that to the Newspaper editors and the rest of the worlds press.

You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Makes you wonder it they really want peace at all ?

Well, they probably aren't losing sleep over it. The status quo treats the Israelis quite well. They have a modern western style nation and live pretty well, while receiving quite a bit of aid from the US. It's a pretty good situation for them.

You may well be right about the "status quo".
Although I don't know much longer, the US can keep supporting with $$$$$. The current economic situation over there (US) is not to good, they might have to cut back on aid to Israel. Israel, can more or less stand on its on two feet anyway, compared to other impoverished nations which receives aid from the US, I'd imagine.

I hope this is not in retaliation to the Rabbi's comments or because certain sections of the Jewish community don't want these new talks to go anywhere.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr...k-hamas-attack-20100901-14fv9.html

It was widely reported on the ABC radio, that the neighborhood where this happened, is anti peace talks, because any success at these peace talks, would mean that land where they live will need to be "given back" as part of a deal, so as you can imagine, they don't want them to succeed at all. I got no idea really at this stage if there is anything in it, will here later from the press of any further developments I suppose.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:00 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

No, you just want to throw in your anti-Israeli sentiment, whenever you get the chance. We get it, that you don't like Israel, and when you get a chance, you take a shot. This is one statement, compared to countless ones about wiping Israel off the map. When Palestinians stop blowing themselves up on buses and markets full of civilians, maybe then I will care??
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:36 am

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
When Palestinians stop blowing themselves up on buses and markets full of civilians, maybe then I will care??

I must have missed the latest reports of these. Can you assist??????
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:48 am

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

No, you just want to throw in your anti-Israeli sentiment, whenever you get the chance. We get it, that you don't like Israel, and when you get a chance, you take a shot.

        

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Because it make the news, nearly every second day.

All kinds of things of questionable importance make the "news", you know like a cat being thrown into a waste bin or a kid swallowing used condom. This rabbi falls in the same category. A classic Warholian "15 minutes of fame". Besides, as other suggested if we were to pay attention to the same or even worse sorts of hatred preached by imams from certain "religion pf peace" we would be doing nothing else on any given Friday.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these.
Four Israelis were shot dead in their car Tuesday near the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba less than a day before Israeli and Palestinian leaders meet in Washington for a summit to announce the resumption of direct peace talks.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...f-relative-west-bank-calm-1.311351

For the usual suspects, some lunatic rabbi running his mouth is obviously a much bigger deal.  
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:52 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these.
Four Israelis were shot dead in their car Tuesday near the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba less than a day before Israeli and Palestinian leaders meet in Washington for a summit to announce the resumption of direct peace talks.

So these were really Palestinians blowing themselves up? But still not in a market in Israel, or is the West Bank now Israel? Strange, no mention of that reality in the reports.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:01 am

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

No, you just want to throw in your anti-Israeli sentiment, whenever you get the chance. We get it, that you don't like Israel, and when you get a chance, you take a shot. This is one statement, compared to countless ones about wiping Israel off the map. When Palestinians stop blowing themselves up on buses and markets full of civilians, maybe then I will care??

As I clearly wasn't talking to you.

I'll ignore your post.   

But, as I said above in reply 11, plenty of other people do find it news, especially on the eve of NEW peace talks. So, maybe go read a thread your interested in then, and don't partake in this thread if it bothers you so much!

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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:28 am

Meanwhile away from a.net in the real world what does Haaretz think about the Rabbi?

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-speci...ith-a-de-occupation-seder-1.311068

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It says much about our times, that Rabbi Ovadia chose just this period and a Rosh Hashana tradition to unlock and unload on the Palestinians.
By Bradley Burston
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Much has been said, and rightly so, in condemnation of the remarks, and of the pallid defenses mounted by followers.

However, Rosh Hashanah may be exactly the occasion to learn from Maran HaRav's's words, and, no less, his timing.

The run-up to Rosh Hashanah is meant to be a month of hard looks at oneself and hard apologies to others. That is where HaRav Ovadia comes in.

His words teach us, before all else, that we should thank the Lord for creating extremists. Because the tight focus of their vision, not to say blindness, often, if unintentionally, shines a light for the rest of us.


Not a lot of that here, so I might go back to reading Haaretz. Where I would learn:

Of late, there has been a mounting tendency within a newly-ascendant rightist intelligentsia – and a shady, gleefully disingenuous, young-ish underground anchored by the vengeful nerds of Im Tirzu - to equate self-criticism with treason, and self-congratulation with patriotism. Not Israel, Right or Wrong, but Israel Is Right, and Europe, the Western World as a whole, the Muslim World, the UN, and Barack Obama are all, sadly, wrong.

Could be.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:07 am

A piece out of the NY times today about the peace talks

Written by Hosni Mubarak, an allies/neighbor of Israels.

Very open and honest view of the whole thing. This is what he sees as the biggest hurdle in the deal, if there is a deal.

The biggest obstacle that now stands in the way of success is psychological: the cumulative effect of years of violence and the expansion of Israeli settlements have led to a collapse of trust on both sides. For the talks to succeed, we must rebuild trust and a sense of security.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/opinion/01mubarak.html?hp

Quoting Baroque (Reply 19):
Haaretz think about the Rabbi?

Ive read the Bibi has been quiet on this, just before the talks begin, would be a great time for him to rebuke what the mad rabbi said, in front of the world, if for nothing else, just for the good will, it would create much needed hope to kick things off over in the US
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:20 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):

Funny that you chastise Commodore then you go ahead and unleash one of your typically anti-Muslim posts.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
For the usual suspects, some lunatic rabbi running his mouth is obviously a much bigger deal.

Perhaps some of us have the ability to look past all of the propaganda and realize that this is neither entirely the fault of the Israelis or the Palestinians, but that both share in the blame. Or the ability to see that not all Palestinians (or Muslims) are terrorists and that some of Israel's actions are terrorist in nature. It's not cut and dried, black and white no matter how much some of you want to place all of the blame on one side or the other while pretending that the other side is completely innocent of any, and all, wrongdoing.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
Strange, no mention of that reality in the reports.

Of course not. Why let facts get in the way?
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:24 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Sort of knocks any credibility they might have right out the window when you hear these things though, sanctioned from the government or not.

So according to your logic, most of the Arab world should not have any credibility, as these kind of comments toward Jews/Israel are very common within the mass media of most Arab countries...I am sure you are very well aware of that and that's ok by you....Or you are not aware of it, which means you need to open your eyes. Either way, not a great platform...

Unless, of course, your main reason for posting here is Anti-Israeli rants....
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:57 am

Quoting EDKA (Reply 21):
So according to your logic, most of the Arab world should not have any credibility, as these kind of comments toward Jews/Israel are very common within the mass media of most Arab countries...I am sure you are very well aware of that and that's ok by you....Or you are not aware of it, which means you need to open your eyes. Either way, not a great platform...

No,
It's because.....

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Maybe it's just not I expected from a nation, who often calls itself more superior/moral than many of it's neighbors.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:09 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You might not think its a story, but obviously plenty of other people do.

It's a story because it's coming from the spiritual leader of the Shas party which is represented by Ministers in the government and who will take orders directly from him rather than the PM.

Just the true face of the conflict!!!
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Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:16 am

Quoting EDKA (Reply 21):
most of the Arab world should not have any credibility, as these kind of comments toward Jews/Israel are very common within the mass media of most Arab countries...

The Arab media are rubbish so bombing Al J offices is either justified or just bad luck. And what of their reporter locked away on rather doubtful charges?

Bit of a laugh saying that the west believes Arab media, about as close as you get to a total untruth. Which was why I thought (lacking the sound and being too far away to read the subs) the Rabbi must be another mad Ayatollah. Well in a way he was. Next time there is a thread about comrade Ahmad, we will understand him so much better because we will know it is " it is far outside of the mainstream for that group".
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:24 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
They have a modern western style nation

What do you know!!!!

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these. Can you assist??????

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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 14):
imams from certain "religion pf peace"

pretty much talking about Islam here, no imams exist in other religions 
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Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 19):
ve read the Bibi has been quiet on this, just before the talks begin, would be a great time for him to rebuke what the mad rabbi said, in front of the world, if for nothing else, just for the good will, it would create much needed hope to kick things off over in the US

He can't, the Rabbi will order his guys to leave the cabinet, and Bibi will have no majority  ... Simple terms
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:34 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 22):
No,
It's because.....

No, Commodore, its quite clear….See Reply 12, first sentence...

Quoting Baroque (Reply 24):
Bit of a laugh saying that the west believes Arab media, about as close as you get to a total untruth. Which was why I thought (lacking the sound and being too far away to read the subs) the Rabbi must be another mad Ayatollah. Well in a way he was. Next time there is a thread about comrade Ahmad, we will understand him so much better because we will know it is " it is far outside of the mainstream for that group".

You must have misunderstood my point - I was referring to local media and the local population in Arab countries, not the West. And while they may not look dissimilar, the difference is that most Israelis do not share the same views with this Rabbi….
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:41 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
who sat down, the Palestinians ?

Either one.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Because it make the news, nearly every second day. And it's a major hot spot, for ME conflict.

Paris Hilton makes the news every day and there's still no reason to care.

That we should care or have an opinion on this matter because it is in the news is not very convincing. Besides, how many times have 'peace negotiations' started between these two parties? This is dog bites man and hardly newsworthy..

Wake me up when there is peace, ok?

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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:44 am

Well what's new? another anti Israeli thread out of tens. It seems that there are some people that don't miss any opportunity to show their hatred toward Israel and their anti Israeli opinions. It's usually the same people.There isn't a week without an anti Israeli thread and be sure that if a week without an anti Israeli thread passes then someone will not miss the opportunity and open a new anti Israeli thread. They will allways find an topic or an off topic and make a big issue of it. Most threads opened with reference to Israel are not for the purpose of real debate and arguement between people with different opinions but for the porpuse of creating a battle zone for people to show their anti Israeli opinion and show their hatred toward Israel. This battle zone is created every week. All of that ofcaurse by finding a topic that will be used as a cover for their real opinion. Same people, same hatred, diferent topic
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:48 pm

Wow, so one crazy maniac made a terrible statement, this stuff happens all the dam time in the Middle East.

Yes, I think it is terrible what he said, but I think a number of people are jumping on this story to use it in out of proportion ways. The fact is that these types of comments and incitement appear rather often throughout the entire Arab world. Look at Al Manar, Hamas' television channel with that mouse character, and on other countless programs. In the end, of course all incitement is wrong, but to use the word proportionate (a favorite of some people around here) look how noticeable incitement is on one side compared to the other. So when there is a comment like this on the Israeli side, people jump on it.

Also, there are so many groups in Israel like Peace Now, Meretz, Beit tselem, extremely dovish groups that are so out there to find a solution. If there are equivalents like this for justice and reform in the Arab world, they really need to come out of the woodwork.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:02 pm

Quoting ly001 (Reply 28):
It seems that there are some people that don't miss any opportunity to show their hatred toward Israel and their anti Israeli opinions

Remember they are Anti-Zionist.  
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:56 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Thread starter):
Oh well, so close to the summit.

I hope they wont set things back to far, once the talks begin, if they begin after this.


I too hope the peace talks do happen, even after this from the other side...


http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr...k-hamas-attack-20100901-14fv9.html
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:15 pm

Quoting ATTart (Reply 31):
I too hope the peace talks do happen, even after this from the other side...


http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr...k-hamas-attack-20100901-14fv9.html

Close to standard Hamas procedure. Attack on territory where Fatah is supposed to be in control. That way they irritate the Israelis and get them to blame their real enemies, Fatah. Quite an elegant plan if that is your aim however abominable the killing is.

Which reminds me, while all those criticising Zionist policies are quizzed on the extent of support for various entities such as Hamas and Hez that we all wish were not there, but know represent reality, a reality in some cases assisted by Israel. Are any of those criticising the origin of this thread actually disagreeing with the Rabbi? If so, it is far from obvious. Just asking.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:23 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 32):
Which reminds me, while all those criticising Zionist policies are quizzed on the extent of support for various entities such as Hamas and Hez that we all wish were not there, but know represent reality, a reality in some cases assisted by Israel. Are any of those criticising the origin of this thread actually disagreeing with the Rabbi? If so, it is far from obvious. Just asking.

Well speaking for myself I do not agree with what the Rabbi is saying about Palestinians being Evil. Just as I do not agree with the what the other side is saying about Israeli.

[Edited 2010-09-01 07:33:16]
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:34 pm

Some people in the area for religious or they are profiting from the conflict and i am talking about both sides do not want this conflict to come to a peaceful end. It is about time for those people to shut up go back to there holes and let real peace seeking people sit down and achieve peace.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:41 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 17):

Reply 17,

Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
I must have missed the latest reports of these. Can you assist??????
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...5.stm

Did not see yr post. Anything later than 2008? Plans from 2009 hardly count I would think.

Sort of suggests I did not miss a great deal of recent activity.

How long do you require the Palestinians to stop a policy that has hardly been successful? Ten years perhaps, or maybe twenty would be more to your liking?
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:36 pm

The settlers have said they'll break the freeze on settlement expansion in response to the Hamas attack, and Netanyahu has told them not to.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...s-respect-the-rule-of-law-1.311518

Good move by him, but I really hope he has the bulldozers ready in case they decide to build out anyway.

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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:46 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
The settlers have said they'll break the freeze on settlement expansion in response to the Hamas attack, and Netanyahu has told them not to.

Yup playing right along to the Hamas script.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:54 pm

Killings take on both sides.

Four Israelis killed in shooting attack near Hebron  
“Hamas claims responsibility for West Bank attack in which two men and two women, one of whom was pregnant, were killed.
A statement from the armed wing of Hamas, a group that opposes any dialogue with Israel, said the "Qassam Brigades announces its full responsibility for the heroic operation in Hebron."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ooting-attack-near-hebron-1.311318

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11154776

How convenient. 4 Israelis killed on the eve of the peace talks to be held in Washington...
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:56 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 32):
Are any of those criticising the origin of this thread actually disagreeing with the Rabbi? If so, it is far from obvious. Just asking.

Yes, i disagree with the Rabbi, more than that, i dont know one single person in Israel (and i know quite few, friends and family) that would agree with him either...

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 34):
Some people in the area for religious or they are profiting from the conflict and i am talking about both sides do not want this conflict to come to a peaceful end. It is about time for those people to shut up go back to there holes and let real peace seeking people sit down and achieve peace

Correct
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:58 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 32):
Which reminds me, while all those criticising Zionist policies are quizzed on the extent of support for various entities such as Hamas and Hez that we all wish were not there, but know represent reality, a reality in some cases assisted by Israel. Are any of those criticising the origin of this thread actually disagreeing with the Rabbi? If so, it is far from obvious. Just asking.

As an Israeli I can say thatI totaly disagree with the words of the Rabi and discussed from it. I can also tell you that this is not only my opinion but the opinion of the majority of the Israeli people. Those words shouldn't have been said.
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:25 pm

Quoting EDKA (Reply 26):
No, Commodore, its quite clear%u2026.See Reply 12, first sentence...

Wrong it's not quite clear at all, well perhaps only to a few of you!
And for the record, it's not what I said.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 27):
Paris Hilton makes the news every day and there's still no reason to care.

Come on now, I see your comparing Paris Hilton with this, don't you think that's a little unfair.... to Paris  
Quoting EDKA (Reply 26):
the difference is that most Israelis do not share the same views with this Rabbi%u2026.

We don't seem to hear the voice of outrage and condemnation coming out of any Israeli government spokesman.

Quoting N537FX (Reply 29):
So when there is a comment like this on the Israeli side, people jump on it.

I think it's because the west now expects a little more from Israel and its leaders. Bibi has hardly said a word about it, he should have come out as soon as the comments were made and condemned them and the Rabbi for making them. That would then show some good will to those who are skeptical about the peace process.

Quoting N537FX (Reply 29):
Also, there are so many groups in Israel like Peace Now, Meretz, Beit tselem, extremely dovish groups that are so out there to find a solution. If there are equivalents like this for justice and reform in the Arab world, they really need to come out of the woodwork.



Yes they do (equivalents in Arab world), I agree with you there.
But as I said above, the groups/government in Israel, needs to, in away, be even louder of there dislike of these comments than normally. Rather than saying, just because its accepted behaviour in some parts of the Arab world to comment like this, we here in Israel will not put up with these type of inflammatory comments, made by one of our religious leaders, No we will not tolerate,this at all, especially on the eve of important peace talks.

Its not helpful at all, is it ??

Quoting ATTart (Reply 31):
I too hope the peace talks do happen, even after this from the other side...


http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr...k-hamas-attack-20100901-14fv9.html

Was already posted in reply 11. See below.

Yes I hope it was not in retaliation to the Rabbi.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
I hope this is not in retaliation to the Rabbi's comments or because certain sections of the Jewish community don't want these new talks to go anywhere.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/four-isr....html
Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
Good move by him, but I really hope he has the bulldozers ready in case they decide to build out anyway.

  

Quoting EDKA (Reply 39):
Yes, i disagree with the Rabbi, more than that, i dont know one single person in Israel (and i know quite few, friends and family) that would agree with him either...

I'm happy you don't agree with what was said, nor should you, But Israels Leaders must come out and condemn these comments, and loudly too.

[quote=ly001,reply=40]As an Israeli I can say thatI totaly disagree with the words of the Rabi and discussed from it. I can also tell you that this is not only my opinion but the opinion of the majority of the Israeli people. Those words shouldn't have been said.

Finally you say it. That what this whole thread is about.  
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:36 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
You may well be right about the "status quo"

I think that peace needs Israel more than Israel needs peace. Life is currently on their terms for the most part, and pretty much any long term resolution would change that. Why compromise when you already have it all?

Quoting ly001 (Reply 40):
I can also tell you that this is not only my opinion but the opinion of the majority of the Israeli people. Those words shouldn't have been said.

And the same works the other way too.
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:05 am

Two sides of the same coin Muslims and Jews.

[Edited 2010-09-01 20:18:24]
 
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RE: Israeli Rabbi Calls Palestinians Evil

Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:28 am

Now it seems clear that there is no support for the Rabbi, it appears that both "sides" of the thread are actually the same side. At the time the questions were asked I did scan back to see if there were criticisms of Israeil and assuming suggesting the Rabbi was not being very sensible and noting that Netanyahu would have political problems doing much about him were not criticisms of Israel per se, the main criticism would have been from the Haaretz quote that I published. I thought that was a useful contribution as to what some Israelis thought about the issue.

Basically it appears we agree.

We can even furiously agree that said Rabbi, Hamas Ahmad and any who I have forgotten are not being very helpful, or even helpful at all except to perpetuate a state of crisis.

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