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Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:54 am

Well, it seems President Obama (and The United States) has not only joined the UN HRC (thus, lend legitimacy to this sham of an organization) but has reported Arizona as a possible human rights violator.

http://aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?ID=996

Let me say (write) that again. The President of The United States has reported Arizona, a state in The United States as a human rights violator.

To sue a state of The Union is one thing...that kind of keeps it in the family, so to speak. But to throw a State out to the UN and claim it is violating the rights of its residents, is beyond the pale. He brings this dispute before Cuba, Libya, North Korea, Camaroon, etc. Allowing these paragons of Human Rights to pass judgement? Incredible.

You know, I have written in this forum and discussed with various liberal friends that I don't dislike or hate Obama, but I do dislike his policies and hate what he's doing to this country. I've mentioned that I could see myself hanging out with the man in different circumstances. But, that is changing. The more I learn of the man and his character, the more I move to the dislike column.

He has gone against the wishes of the populace in his policies and his agenda. He is bankrupting this nation and he continues to dig. He goes against public opinion and lies to the people.

This man is petty. He is small. He is selfish. He is spiteful and prideful. If he doesn't get his way, he seeks vengeance or retribution. He is not a good man.

It is my fervent wish and desire that he fail in his bid for re-election, not just because of his policies, but because of his character.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:36 am

Quoting fr8mech (Thread starter):
The President of The United States has reported Arizona, a state in The United States as a human rights violator.

That's a rather creative interpretation (as one might expect from the website of an organization supporting the law). What the report did was cite the debate over the Arizona law (of which the federal government's suit is a component) as one of many human rights issues that the US is dealing with. Other issues mentioned in the report are things like the Fair Pay Act (gender equality), the effort to repeal DADT (gay rights), as well as defenses of the the practice of trying terrorism suspects in military tribunals (on the grounds that it is not a violation of human rights to do so).

It's not a stretch by any means to say that there is a human rights component to the debate over the Arizona law, though obviously whether you believe it's a human rights violation or not depends on which side you take in the debate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...clude-arizona-human-rights-report/

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:44 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
It's not a stretch by any means to say that there is a human rights component to the debate over the Arizona law, though obviously whether you believe it's a human rights violation or not depends on which side you take in the debate.

You know, that's really not my point. My point is that a sitting president has thrown a US state, and by extension, the United States, in front of a bunch of dictators for judgment.

Does he hate this country that much?
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:55 am

Who cares? I thought most conservatives think the UN is an irrelevant and useless organization. Why care about what other nations or the UN think of us now? I dare say most Republicans could give less than rat's behind about the opinion of ANY country concerning our policies.

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):

It's not a stretch by any means to say that there is a human rights component to the debate over the Arizona law, though obviously whether you believe it's a human rights violation or not depends on which side you take in the debate.

Exactly. To not at least acknowledge and understand that some people view the actions in Arizona as a violation of their rights is to choose to remain ignorant and closed-minded. We can argue whether it IS a violation of human rights, but if you can't understand how some people would think it is, then nothing productive can come from debate on the issue.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:08 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
My point is that a sitting president has thrown a US state, and by extension, the United States, in front of a bunch of dictators for judgment.

Again, a rather creative interpretation.

Members of the Human Rights Council submit national reports from time to time on the state of human rights in their country - present issues, initiatives, successes, etc. The US has done the same. It's really a chance for the government to toot their own horn (and you can be pretty sure that the reports of some members of the council contain a lot of horn-tooting - generally, the more horn-tooting you do, the worse your record is).

The idea that Arizona has been put up for judgement is simply not true. The report is about the US as a whole, and contains only a brief mention of the law, and passes no judgement on whether it is a violation or not. It's mentioned because it is a present issue.

The full text of the mention is in the article I linked above (yes, it's just that one paragraph), but if you want to read the report in its entirety, you can do so at the link below (the passage is on page 20).

http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Do...session9/US/A_HRC_WG.6_9_USA_1.pdf

One thing I've noticed about those who dislike the UN is that they always focus on the negative things that the UN does (or, more often, the good things they fail to do). Granted, there are plenty of them, but that's to be expected from a massive organization (hell, we get pissed when our own Congress can't do stuff, and Congress has a whole lot more power than the UN). If people were to really look at the entire work of the UN, they'd see that there's a lot of good that comes out of it, particularly in the humanitarian realm. And sometimes you just have to take the bad with the good.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:46 am

Again, the point is missed. Irrespective of how I, or anyone else feels about the UN, why is this president doing this? To what end? He is, in fact, putting the US on trial in front of a court of despots and tyrants, with few exceptions.

And you're correct, the wording in the report is softball, but I take issue with the very fact that he mentions AZ as a problem to an international body that riddled with abusers.

These aren't the actions of someone who is proud of his country.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:26 am

Mixed emotions here. For the most part I think Obama is trying to save the hispanic in other states since he could never carry AZ in a general. It's also clear he does not like Jan Brewer at all. Not going to dwell on this. That situation is either going to take care of itself or go right down the crapper if the violence on the border escalates because the minutemen are just waiting for an excuse. Regardless of how it plays out in the courts.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:33 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
It's not a stretch by any means to say that there is a human rights component to the debate over the Arizona law,



Yes , it is a stretch . Our immigration law is important and just because it makes life inconvenient for some does not mean it is a violation of human rights. Its black and white ... don't sneak in to our country . Migrate all you want legally just abide by the law. The progressives love to apply the human rights argument to everything ... every law could be overturned arguing the human right element.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:12 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 5):
why is this president doing this? To what end?

Why is the US submitting the report? An effort to lead by example. Why is the AZ law mentioned in the report? To describe the official government position on an issue that has attracted global attention. Nothing more.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 5):
He is, in fact, putting the US on trial in front of a court of despots and tyrants, with few exceptions.

As mentioned, he's not.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 5):
I take issue with the very fact that he mentions AZ as a problem to an international body that riddled with abusers.

Show me where it's mentioned as a problem. Not just mentioned, but specifically mentioned as a problem.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:42 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Show me where it's mentioned as a problem. Not just mentioned, but specifically mentioned as a problem.

It is implied that the law is a problem because it has been challenged by the administration and that parts of it have been enjoined.

"The issue is being addressed in a court action that argues that
the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law. That action is
ongoing; parts of the law are currently enjoined."

Doen't say that the law mimic federal law does it? Doesn't mention that the law was passed, legally, in response to the federal government's inability or unwillingness to enforce its own laws, does it?
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:47 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 9):
Doen't say that the law mimic federal law does it? Doesn't mention that the law was passed, legally, in response to the federal government's inability or unwillingness to enforce its own laws, does it?

Why would it, when that's not the federal government position? I can understand that you don't like the government's opposition to the law, but that's a completely different argument from what gets included in the report.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:58 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):

Yes , it is a stretch . Our immigration law is important and just because it makes life inconvenient for some does not mean it is a violation of human rights. I

Um... The right to a nationality is a basic human right. So it is a human rights issue. And then there's that troublesome privacy thing. Yanno, "Papers, Please."

You and I are on the same side of this argument. We both call for abolition of jus soil. We differ on some details of implementation (I want to grant amnesty to those illegally here prior to the revocation of jus soil, you want to spend god-knows-how-much hunting them down after it's revoked) but you cannot argue that it's not a human rights issue.

The issue is: "Which nationality do babies born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants have the right to?" Also: "What is 'reasonable suspicion' that someone is an illegal immigrant?"
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:34 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The right to a nationality is a basic human right.

But, they have a nationality, don't they?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The issue is: "Which nationality do babies born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants have the right to?"

No, that is not the question under scrutiny in S.B. 1070.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Also: "What is 'reasonable suspicion' that someone is an illegal immigrant?"

You know, that's up to police procedure and ultimately the court to decide.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:30 pm

So you claim there's "no issues."

Then what are we talking about?
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:42 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 5):
He is, in fact, putting the US on trial in front of a court of despots and tyrants, with few exceptions.

Um. What? I think that's a pretty dramatic (not to mention incorrect) representation.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:57 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
Does he hate this country that much?

He wears the flag on his lapel, dispatches his wife to act on behalf of military families and the like, and went through the process of becoming President, whatever you think of how that was done. Is there a single person who has served in the office, regardless of their actions, that did so because they *hated* the country? Listen to yourself man - might be a good idea to check in somewhere restful for a few days.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:37 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
So you claim there's "no issues."

Then what are we talking about?



Once again, we are talking about The President of The United States calling out a state in an international forum that is largely a joke in its mission because of its composition. Human rights violations? Come on, there are more human rights violations in a square mile of some of the countries on the council than there is in the whole of The United States.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 15):
that did so because they *hated* the country


Maybe 'hates the country' is the wrong phrasing. Maybe 'hates what the country is', is a more accurate portrayal. He does not like what the US has done. He has repeatedly apologized for our actions; the actions of a sovereign nation acting in its self-interest. He has repeatedly gone against the will of the people in both legal maneuvers and in opinion matters.

And please, do not patronize me. Look at his record in total since he was elected President. He, and his cronies, have done more harm, vastly more harm, than good.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:47 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 16):
we are talking about The President of The United States calling out a state in an international forum

He called out a state in an international forum (the media) when the federal government sued Arizona. Which you already said you were fine with.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:06 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
He called out a state in an international forum (the media) when the federal government sued Arizona. Which you already said you were fine with.



Semantics. He did not lay the issue at the feet of an international body. He sued in a US Court, to be judged by US judges.

There is a difference. He dilutes US sovereignty by taking or even discussing the issue at the UN.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:13 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 18):
He did not lay the issue at the feet of an international body.

And he didn't in the report.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:49 pm

The problem with the law is hinted at in the paragraph above the once cited on Fox and the other website :

Quote:
DHS continues to evaluate the program, incorporating additional safeguards as necessary to aid in the prevention of racial profiling and civil rights violations and improve accountability for protecting human rights.

Obama thinks that the AZ law is a problem because people will be asked proof of citizenship based on their skin color, regardless of their citizenship.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:01 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
Obama thinks that the AZ law is a problem because people will be asked proof of citizenship based on their skin color, regardless of their citizenship.

This isn't true, AZ police are going to use other criteria when it comes to thinking someone may be in the country illegally. They are not going to just ask every hispanic person they encounter for papers. That is a MSNBC talking point and it's pretty bogus.
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Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:31 am

I live in a country where this happens all the time (and is theoretically illegal, too), so I don't believe it can be done any other way.
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Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:46 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):

This isn't true, AZ police are going to use other criteria when it comes to thinking someone may be in the country illegally.

Which criteria specifically are they going to use?
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Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:17 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
Obama thinks that the AZ law is a problem because people will be asked proof of citizenship based on their skin color, regardless of their citizenship



No , they do the same procedure to everyone they encounter. Only if you do not have ID will they go further into the status issue. They Are not sitting around picking off Mexicans ..... and pulling them over , they never have and they never will. They dont need too...

Obama has poisoned the well so badly on this issue .... he shows the leader ship skills of a jr high bully. He really is just a political hack who happened to fool enough takers into voting for him. I just spent yesterday all day on the border with Mexico , north of Nogales on the mountain trails...so I am a little tired and Angy.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:34 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 24):
Only if you do not have ID will they go further into the status issue. T

Which flies in the face of several court rulings about requiring citizens to carry ID.

The issue is this: if I am a citizzen, I am not required to carry my ID. But if I get stopped and asked for it and I don't have it, then do they take my word that I'm a citizen?

It works if the police are 100% accurate at predicting who is legal and who isn't.

There are many other reasons this is a human rights issue. What about the rights of the Arizonans who have to bear the tax and societal burdens of the illegals? What about the human trafficking that is going on?

This entire thread seems to imply that Obama himself reported the state of Arizona to the UN Commission on Human Rights as having human rights violations. That is patently false. Obama has said that the immigration issue in Arizona is, among other things, a human rights issue.

If you disagree with that statement, you're wrong. Plan and simple.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:28 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
Obama has said that the immigration issue in Arizona is, among other things, a human rights issue.



If it is a human right to let every person from anywhere in the world walk into our country ... then abolish INS / Border patrol , and send me a tax refund. Simple ... we do not need any immigration standards at all then . You cant have it both ways .

Just come in and live ... because that is what the President is supporting. He may not say that , and he surely knows the truth . But votes are what he needs ... and for that no level of betrayal is out of order.

Saturday , I spent time in around border patrol operation on our Border . I could not help thinking what a huge waste of money it is . We should open the border and let Mexico come in .... after all its a human right .. right ? Wrong it is a sovereignty issue and that is where myself and my President part ways.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Mon Sep 27, 2010 2:42 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):
after all its a human right .. right ? Wrong it is a sovereignty issue

It's both. The sovereignty deals with the borders (and really isn't that much of a question), and the human rights deals what goes on inside the country.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:55 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
This entire thread seems to imply that Obama himself reported the state of Arizona to the UN Commission on Human Rights as having human rights violations. That is patently false. Obama has said that the immigration issue in Arizona is, among other things, a human rights issue.

If you disagree with that statement, you're wrong. Plan and simple.

You talk in the context of a secure border and no violence though. If Mexico wasn't out of control and people weren't jumping the border by the thousands yea I would say that law can be a civil rights issue but things are quite different and all we are asking you to do is have some ID on you when you leave the house. Yet this is made into the "papers please" talking point from Rachel Maddow. The state of AZ is trying to do something before things really get out of control not violate your civil rights. As I drive around Socal on 8 and 5 and others I am constantly stopped and my car looked into at these checkpoints. Sometimes I am asked for ID. Is this violating my rights? No we are trying not to have open borders and keep our residents safe. Nothing more. The people who want make this a civil right issue are for open borders and illegal immigration. Plain and simple.
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:32 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):

If it is a human right to let every person from anywhere in the world walk into our country ..

Where did I say that? Where did ANYONE say that?

So you say that the human rights of the Arizonans (citizens) are not an issue, either? The danger that they face from an unsecured border doesn't threaten their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Wow. That's just dense, dude.
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:12 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28):

You talk in the context of a secure border and no violence though. If Mexico wasn't out of control and people weren't jumping the border by the thousands yea I would say that law can be a civil rights issue but things are quite different and all we are asking you to do is have some ID on you when you leave the house

Oh yes. If it weren't for the danger.

What was that line from Ben Franklin about trading liberty for security?

Oh, yeah, he was just a crazy Marxist.

We've heard that line over and over and over.

"All we're asking you to do is register your firearms."
"All we're asking you to do is pay a tiny poll tax."
"All we're asking you to do is allow the cops to search your car/home/person to make sure you aren't carrying a bomb/drugs."
"All we're asking..."

All you're asking is for us to take the Constitution, which you so vehemently defend whenever Obama does something you don't like, be it Constitutional or not, and rip it to shreds.

"Papers, please" is not just a Rachel Maddow thing. It's EXACTLY what you are advocating.

Why are all of you people wanting to shred the Bill of Rights AND spend billions of federal dollars on some fence that won't keep illegals out even if it were ten million miles high and deep and made of unobtanium that killed anyone who touched it?

I can figure out how to stop illegal immigration for almost free. And MY method will work absolutely.
1) End jus soil and go to a modified birthright system.
2) Require that all businesses keep records on all employees and ban cash payments to employees. All payments must be done by EBT or by check to the employee's name. That way any "cash leaks" show up to regulators.
3) Institute a guest worker program with no citizenship path and conditions on criminal behavior and an absolute ban on collecting any sort of welfare. (This is necessary; agriculture simply cannot function in this country without migrant labor).
4) Ban wire transfer of money out of the country without some sort of documentation of guest worker/visa/citizenship status.
5) Any arrest for any reason leads to an immigration status check. If you aren't supposed to be here, you either serve your sentence if convicted...and then get deported, or you get deported immediately if not convicted.

There's almost no way around it. Illegals won't be able to get jobs here. Their kids can't be citizens here. And so they'll stop coming because there will be no more opportunities. They might be able to earn cash by doing the occasional odd job, but they can't have families, they can't send money home (what are they going to do, stuff a bunch of cash in an envelope and mail it?), and all it takes is a jaywalking ticket to get deported.

That will be the end of illegal immigration.

But no, you want to shred the 4th amendment, spend billions of dollars on some silly wall that can be easily circumvented with a boat (how do you think they get here from Ecuador?), and not attack the underlying motivations.

AND then you want to accuse anyone with a different idea of how to proceed of being an enemy of the country.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:10 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 2):
My point is that a sitting president has thrown a US state, and by extension, the United States, in front of a bunch of dictators for judgment.

The current UN Security Council members are:

UK
USA
France
Russia
China
Austria
Japan
Mexico
Turkey
Uganda
Bosnia and Herzagovina
Brazil
Gabon
Lebanon
Nigeria

Of these, all but China have a democratically elected government, and even China is not a dictatorship, it is led by the Communist party who will replace its leadership periodically.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:38 am

Quoting signol (Reply 31):
The current UN Security Council members are:

That's all well and good, but as far as I can tell, this discussion is about the Human Rights Council, which is not related to the UNSC.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:02 am

Quoting signol (Reply 31):
The current UN Security Council members are:

That's nice, but we're discussing the UN Human Rights Council:

Angola
Argentina
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Belgium
Brazil
Burkina Faso
Cameroon
Chile
China
Cuba
Djibouti
Ecuador
France
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Hungary
Japan
Jordan
Kyrgyzstan
Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
Malaysia
Maldives
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Nigeria
Norway
Pakistan
Poland
Qatar
Republic of Korea
Republic of Moldova
Russian Federation
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Slovakia
Spain
Switzerland
Thailand
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
United States of America
Uruguay
Zambia

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 30):
There's almost no way around it. Illegals won't be able to get jobs here. Their kids can't be citizens here. And so they'll stop coming because there will be no more opportunities. They might be able to earn cash by doing the occasional odd job, but they can't have families, they can't send money home (what are they going to do, stuff a bunch of cash in an envelope and mail it?), and all it takes is a jaywalking ticket to get deported.

Find me some Democrats that have the political will to take that on. Hell, find me a majority of Republicans that have the nuts.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:33 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
(and really isn't that much of a question)
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Where did I say that? Where did ANYONE say that?

So you say that the human rights of the Arizonans (citizens) are not an issue, either? The danger that they face from an unsecured border doesn't threaten their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Wow. That's just dense, dude.



Come on Doc , your twisting it inside out again. The issue of SB 1070 is what the debate is about . Opponents of SB 1070 do not want deterrents put in against illegal immigrants.

They want our border patrol out there trying to stop them on the wild frontier , but when they make it here they gladly give them rights as a citizen . Its insanity .... pure and simple. And it is having a effect on our border patrol ... a moral effect and I don't blame them.

Now the President , Hillary , Holder, Rev Wright , Farakahn , Bill Ayers ... and the other left wingers are just doing it to make the US look bad and to galvanize their one and only weapon of choice .... racism and division. They want the US humiliated and subjugated to the UN and love nothing more than tearing us down. Hell , the President of Iran agrees with our President!! and SECSTATE ... "The US have a human rights problem as well"- Ahmadinejad.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:01 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 34):
Come on Doc , your twisting it inside out again. The issue of SB 1070 is what the debate is about . Opponents of SB 1070 do not want deterrents put in against illegal immigrants.

They want our border patrol out there trying to stop them on the wild frontier , but when they make it here they gladly give them rights as a citizen . Its insanity .... pure and simple. And it is having a effect on our border patrol ... a moral effect and I don't blame them.

Now the President , Hillary , Holder, Rev Wright , Farakahn , Bill Ayers ... and the other left wingers are just doing it to make the US look bad and to galvanize their one and only weapon of choice .... racism and division. They want the US humiliated and subjugated to the UN and love nothing more than tearing us down. Hell , the President of Iran agrees with our President!! and SECSTATE ... "The US have a human rights problem as well"- Ahmadinejad.

Spot on!
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:02 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 34):
Hell , the President of Iran agrees with our President!! and SECSTATE ... "The US have a human rights problem as well"- Ahmadinejad.

That's a complete straw man argument. Every country is going to have some human rights concerns - that's how the Human Rights Council works. They cast a big net, and they mention what they find - the goal being not only to bring problems to light and condemn them, but also to bring to light things that could use improvement.

Ahmedinejad can talk all he wants, but read the HRC reports on the US and Iran and you'll get a nice view of just how differently the two countries are viewed. With the exception of the issue of torture, the report on the US is filled with minor stuff that could be improved. Iran's report, by contrast, is filled with some serious concerns (and if you read it you'll realize just how lucky we are not to live in a place like that).

Iran report: http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Do...ession7/IR/A_HRC_WG6_7_IRN_2_E.pdf

US report: http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Do...session9/US/A_HRC_WG.6_9_USA_2.pdf

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:08 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
Every country is going to have some human rights concerns



I agree ,,, like the sanctuary city laws that the DOJ seems to have NO problem with. In fact it creates a permanent underclass of immigrants, it creates a slave class of people who live in the cities and stay in the shadows. Is that a human rights problem as well ?
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:56 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37):
Is that a human rights problem as well ?

It's a concern. I wouldn't necessarily call it a problem. It certainly pales in comparison to what's going on in Iran.

But if you want to agree with Ahmedinejad, go right ahead.

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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:04 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 38):
It's a concern. I wouldn't necessarily call it a problem. It certainly pales in comparison to what's going on in Iran.

But if you want to agree with Ahmedinejad, go right ahead.

I don't think we're agreeing with i'm-in-a-jihad, The President is.
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RE: Obama, AZ & The UN Human Rights Council

Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:23 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 24):
No , they do the same procedure to everyone they encounter. Only if you do not have ID will they go further into the status issue. They Are not sitting around picking off Mexicans ..... and pulling them over , they never have and they never will. They dont need too...

Obama has poisoned the well so badly on this issue .... he shows the leader ship skills of a jr high bully. He really is just a political hack who happened to fool enough takers into voting for him. I just spent yesterday all day on the border with Mexico , north of Nogales on the mountain trails...so I am a little tired and Angy.

They ask an ID, but a citizen is not required to have one, so it makes no sense, and obviously they'll have to target "latinos" to try and mitigate the thing, or else they would be detaining everybody and their mother until citizenship or illegal status can be established. One way or the other it's a human rights issue.

Now if everybody had to have an ID like here, and the authorities would fence off a street and ask everybody their ID, then it wouldn't be an issue. But no western country does that.
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