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Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:30 pm

I think it's absolutely hilarious. He clearly articulates a legitimate position satirically. It's really funny that virtually none of the uptight Congressmen got it.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...kester-colbert-goes-to-washington-

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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:39 pm

Asking him to testify was an absolute blunder. He is a tool and congress could have made better use of the time finding some other poeple with expertise in migrant farm labor. What a joke.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:42 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):

Had a feeling you would feel that way. Consider, however, that if Congress had gotten some other expert, it wouldn't have received anywhere NEAR the attention it will now, which I can almost guarantee you was the primary point. It's actually really effective to get people talking about it.

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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:42 pm

Videos and a live blog of sorts available at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...en-colbert-hearing-v_n_737813.html

I haven't read the whole thing, but from the bit I've read, I'm not exactly sure what to make of it.

On one hand, yes, the jobs are there for unemployed to take, and if they don't want it, there are plenty of illegal immigrants ready to take over.

On the other hand, the working conditions are tough, the wages are low, and you don't have much job security, so the jobs aren't very appealing.

However, to correct that would cost money, and those money have to come from somewhere. Is the 'Average Joe' willing to spend an extra couple of bucks on his bread, butter, etc etc?
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:14 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
however, that if Congress had gotten some other expert, it wouldn't have received anywhere NEAR the attention it will now, which I can almost guarantee you was the primary point. It's actually really effective to get people talking about it.

So? Immigration reform has been a hot button topic and people have been talking about it already. This didn't bring any more people to the equation. It's well known Colbert and his ilk want open borders but at a time when a raging drug war is about to really explode this was a complete waste of time and just basically more useless talking points.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:26 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 3):

However, to correct that would cost money, and those money have to come from somewhere. Is the 'Average Joe' willing to spend an extra couple of bucks on his bread, butter, etc etc?

That's what's odd about the US. Liberals are more often willing to pay more for meaningless organic and fair-trade labels on their food, yet they generally support this cheap immigrant labor which provides cheaper food.

Conservatives on the other hand are often the bargain shoppers more likely opt for products produced by this labor, all the while decrying the immigrants who make those prices possible.


Personally, I'm happy to exploit cheap immigrant labor in order to get cheaper food. If we are going to demand one thing, we have to be honest with ourselves when we examine the costs.
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:36 am

I wonder who will be next - Borat testifying in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on the problems of Central Asia? Has Capitol Hill really sank this low?

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 5):
That's what's odd about the US. Liberals are more often willing to pay more for meaningless organic and fair-trade labels on their food, yet they generally support this cheap immigrant labor which provides cheaper food.

Reminds me of a roommate of mine who used to buy bananas in a "Farmer´s Market". In Massachussets. During winter.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:00 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
I wonder who will be next - Borat testifying in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on the problems of Central Asia? Has Capitol Hill really sank this low?

How is him talking any worse than some stiff CEO with an agenda?

I bet that was the highest watched congressional hearing this year.
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:08 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
It's well known Colbert and his ilk want open borders

They do? Where did they say that?
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:21 am

Christopher Coates delivered a devastating broadside against the Holder Justice Department today, and we're talking about Colbert? Coates' testemony got almost completely ignored by the press.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...lcZeiW_Nucd6_I72lQV6BEi4QD9IEJLK00

By the way, I think this is a PR disaster for Democrats. It shows how little unimportance they attribute to border security.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:23 pm

The Dems just handed the GOP a gift, it won't be long before we start seeing political ads showing Colbert and the Dem congress together. The Calif. Dem Congresswoman who invited him, good move.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:33 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 5):
yet they generally support this cheap immigrant labor which provides cheaper food.

Which, in fact, is the opposite of the argument Colbert made. Instead, he suggested by introducing a formal-but-easy visa process to hire immigrant labour for the agricultural sector, these individuals would be empowered to negotiate better work conditions and pay (and thus, maybe, one day, Americans would consider these jobs again, too). Don't tell me, Cobert is so naive as to believe that this would not result in higher produce prices.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:55 pm

Honestly, I don't see the big deal. I mean, if the CEOs of big tobacco can stand before Congress and say their product is not addictive, then Colbert should not even be registering on the radar.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:02 pm

Quoting avent (Reply 8):
They do? Where did they say that?

They never did, just more lies.

Quoting santosdumont (Reply 15):
Honestly, I don't see the big deal. I mean, if the CEOs of big tobacco can stand before Congress and say their product is not addictive, then Colbert should not even be registering on the radar.

Exactly. Given the parade of corporate clowns and stooges that have gone before Congress and made mockeries of the process, this fake outrage over Colbert's appearance makes little sense.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:09 pm

Eesh, tough crowd. I like how they only laugh when Colbert mentions 'both sides working together to protect the interests of the American people
.'

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
He is a tool and congress could have made better use of the time finding some other poeple with expertise in migrant farm labor.

Despicable isn't it? They wasted 10 whole minutes listening to him.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
a raging drug war is about to really explode

I'm sure FOX news has led you to believe this. Some proof would be nice.

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):
The Dems just handed the GOP a gift, it won't be long before we start seeing political ads showing Colbert and the Dem congress together.

Colbert is actually a self-proclaimed Republican.
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:14 pm

Quoting AKviator (Reply 14):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
a raging drug war is about to really explode

I'm sure FOX news has led you to believe this. Some proof would be nice.

Google is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War

The war has been going on for the past 4 years, over 27,000 dead so far, including over 1000 police, judges and reporters.

Quoting AKviator (Reply 14):

Colbert is actually a self-proclaimed Republican.

Although by his own account he was not particularly political before joining the cast of The Daily Show, Colbert has described himself as a Democrat according to a 2004 interview.[84][85] In an interview at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard Institute of Politics, he stated that he has "no problems with Republicans, just Republican policies".[86]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert (appropriately footnoted)

Don't confuse his stage character, loosely based on Bill O'Reilly, with his own beliefs.
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:54 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
The war has been going on for the past 4 years, over 27,000 dead so far, including over 1000 police, judges and reporters.

Yes, but what about this 'explosion in the drug war' NIKV referred to?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
Although by his own account he was not particularly political before joining the cast of The Daily Show, Colbert has described himself as a Democrat according to a 2004 interview
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
Don't confuse his stage character, loosely based on Bill O'Reilly, with his own beliefs.

Ahh ok. I was going by what I've seen on his show, where he claims to be republican and recently refferred to liberals as 'Stewart's crowd.'
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:15 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 6):
I wonder who will be next - Borat testifying in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on the problems of Central Asia? Has Capitol Hill really sank this low?
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Asking him to testify was an absolute blunder. He is a tool and congress could have made better use of the time finding some other poeple with expertise in migrant farm labor. What a joke.

Really? Sort of like when Elmo testified before Congress, right?

http://articles.cnn.com/2002-04-23/p...sional-committee?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

Quoting AKviator (Reply 16):
Ahh ok. I was going by what I've seen on his show, where he claims to be republican and recently refferred to liberals as 'Stewart's crowd.'

They're both left of center. It's entertainment, like Fox News, only people take it seriously.

It's also interesting that Jon Stewart is a more trusted name in news than just about anyone else on TV. Funny how that works.
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:08 pm

Was it Stephen Colbert the CC character (arch Republican) or Dr Stephen Colbert the actor/comedian/writer (liberal/left in US terms, somewhat centrist in Euro/Australasian terms) testifying? It sounds as though it was the former.

I'll admit that I'm a Colbert fan (he's primetime here in Australia), but anyone who analyses this appearance as anything but publicity seeking/point making by the committee is somewhat silly.
 
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:26 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
It's well known Colbert and his ilk want open borders but at a time when a raging drug war is about to really explode

And at this stage of the game you honestly think sealing the border will stop cartels that not only have billions of dollars in the bank, but military-grade firepower *and* rogue US-trained Mexican special forces operators working for them?

How will that stop the flow of a product to which even highly-paid contractors ostensibly sworn to protect US personnel are addicted?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/154977...-weapons-black-market-its-shooters

As long as Hollywood, Wall Street, and Capitol Hill -- and a good number of points in between -- continue putting that white stuff up their collective nose the war will continue. Interesting that resident Right wingers always talk about the "Messican" component of the violence but fail to see and/or call out collaborators north of the border who pay top dollar to keep the cartels' brutal, bloody business going.

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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:34 am

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 17):
Really? Sort of like when Elmo testified before Congress, right?

It was stupid then and it is stupid now. However, Elmo's appearance seems to have been more of a "feel-good" kind of thing, not a deliberate attempt to use a fictional character to influence major public policy (unless you consider musical instruments in school major public policy).
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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:49 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):

The war has been going on for the past 4 years, over 27,000 dead so far, including over 1000 police, judges and reporters.

And if you think a better wall is going to stop it, you'd better think again.

But I'll give you a hint: if Prop 19 passes in California, one thing is for sure: the amount of marijuana imported into the state will rapidly drop to exactly and precisely... zero. There's one and only one way to put a really quick kibosh on a drug war.

Here's another fact: no society in history has EVER successfully banned a recreational substance. NOT ONCE. EVER. 0.00% success rate.

Insanity is when you repeat an action again and again hoping to get a different result.

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RE: Stephen Colbert Testifies To Congress

Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:44 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 20):
(unless you consider musical instruments in school major public policy).

Actually, I do, along with physical education, salad bars, sex ed and social studies.

Both appearences were silly, but people in this country love to point out other's flaws with no consideration of their own.

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