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RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:29 pm

Me want! Me want!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/27/r...es-playbook-the-blackberry-tablet/

Thankfully the BlackPad and SurfPad names appear to have been ruses.

I was hoping it would be out before the end of the year (It had been rumored for a holiday launch.), but I'm guessing they want to make sure that everything is good to go. No word yet on prices, but I'm guessing that they'll try to price it as competitively to the iPad as possible (I wonder if Apple may rush the second generation iPad in order to steal some thunder from RIM.).

Now let's see if the rumored Android tablet from Google gets announced in the near future......
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:55 pm

The tablet battles are heading our way, and are giong to be interesting to watch.

The biggest problem I see for RIM is that they are not using Android or Win Mobile7. I can't see more than 3 OS platforms being profitable in a significant way. Sort of like when the IBM PC came out in the 80s. And I believe that the Big 3 will be Apple, Google and Microsoft. probably in that order when it comes to profitability..

And while I would love an iPad (yep, I'm a Mac/iPod/iPhone user) I believe that capacity, power and price will all improve over the next 12 months so I'll wait. Maybe.

As far as Apple delivering a 7" - that has been in the wind for a while. Probably way before Apple released v1. I also believe that Apple will be moving on cameras in all iPads, with FaceTime becoming a standard before the competition can set their own standard.
 
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:14 pm

Quoting srbmod (Thread starter):
Now let's see if the rumored Android tablet from Google gets announced in the near future......

There are already a number of Android-based tablets on the market - the Dell Streak and the Samsung Galaxy Tab are just a few of them. In addition, it seems like nearly every manufacturer that makes Android handsets has a tablet in the works - I know for sure that HTC has a family of tablets planned.

That said, I've never understood the recent craze over tablets - you can buy a laptop or even a netbook with more power, better battery life and far more usability for less money.
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:46 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
And while I would love an iPad (yep, I'm a Mac/iPod/iPhone user) I believe that capacity, power and price will all improve over the next 12 months so I'll wait. Maybe.

The second generation iPad is rumored for Q1 2011.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):

As far as Apple delivering a 7" - that has been in the wind for a while. Probably way before Apple released v1. I also believe that Apple will be moving on cameras in all iPads, with FaceTime becoming a standard before the competition can set their own standard.

Second gen will have 9.7" screen, not the 7" that was previously rumored.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple...en-Suppliers-Indicate-156846.shtml

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
The biggest problem I see for RIM is that they are not using Android or Win Mobile7. I can't see more than 3 OS platforms being profitable in a significant way. Sort of like when the IBM PC came out in the 80s. And I believe that the Big 3 will be Apple, Google and Microsoft. probably in that order when it comes to profitability..

RIM's BlackBerry devices operate on their own dedicated O/S and they recently introduced a new O/S for their smartphones. They bought QNX for their O/S and this device is the first O/S they've developed for an RIM device.
 
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:08 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 3):
The second generation iPad is rumored for Q1 2011.


And FY Q1 2011 for Apple starts October 2010 IIRC.

It all depend on Apple ability to get product to market, but I bet they would love to have the second product for CHristmas.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 3):
Second gen will have 9.7" screen, not the 7" that was previously rumored.

This is one of the articles I was thinking of:

Quote:
Though questionable, rumors of a 7-inch iPad from Apple continue to crop up, with a new report alleging the device is now a "finished product."
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=113294

With Apple you never really know until it's released - or a day or two before.

I guess I should have said that it would be the second iPad "design" and a smaller form factor.

That would put v.2 as the original size with upgrades, ike a camera and (maybe) a dual core processor,

Quoting srbmod (Reply 3):
RIM's BlackBerry devices operate on their own dedicated O/S and they recently introduced a new O/S for their smartphones. They bought QNX for their O/S and this device is the first O/S they've developed for an RIM device.

I know - which is why I'm concerned about their potential for success. I also forgot about the HP/Palm OS that is also heading for the tablet market.

That gives us a hefty list of major tablet platforms:

Apple
Google
HP
MS
RIM

One will be the volume leader and one will be the profit leader. Hard to tell right now which it will be. But I still believe that the market will shake down to 3 major players.
 
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Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:16 pm

No Android OS?   
7" Screen?   

Well, looks like another reason to choose the iPad. Google better come out with something good as everything up till now has been very disappointing.
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:27 am

I assume this will integrate with corporations that are already running BB servers?
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:30 am

Just me or do some of the pics from the article make it look kinda thick?
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:40 am

Quoting corey07850 (Reply 6):
I assume this will integrate with corporations that are already running BB servers?

Unfortunately you need apps available for it to be a winner.

Google & Apple are delivering in that area. MS is paying iPad developers to move apps over. I think the HP platform will also be attractive.

Considering that this is such a "non-traditional" product segment I'd put my money on HP beating MS & RIM to be in 3rd place.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:46 am

I always wondered what the final nail in RIM's coffin would look like.
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:11 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Just me or do some of the pics from the article make it look kinda thick?

The Playbook is 10mm thick (0.4") as per specs vs iPad at 12.5mm (0.5").
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:16 am

OMF'nG IT'S AWESOME!

I came thisclose to buying an iPad last week, but the form factor hadn't sold me - it was just a little too big to comfortably hold, particularly on a plane. This size device looks outstanding, and they nailed the biggies Apple forgot on the iPad:

- USB connectivity
- HDMI video out
- Forward-facing webcam

Throw in the ability to tether to your existing Blackberry, on top of WiFi? This is a winner for sure.
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:22 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
Unfortunately you need apps available for it to be a winner.

The device is POSIX compliant, therefore any software written for linux should be relatively easy to port over. Some of the rumours early on where it would support QT, again making porting existing linux apps easy.

It also supports flash and Adobe Air, making a lot of existing applications instantly available.

I was holding out for a decent Android pad, but I think im sold on this now!
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:33 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
Throw in the ability to tether to your existing Blackberry, on top of WiFi? This is a winner for sure.

This is a problem for people like me who do not have a Blackberry. I find that this might be one of the biggest disadvantages of this device, that and their image/marketing is a distant second to Apples. Time will tell how successful this tablet will be.
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:00 pm

Quoting okees (Reply 13):
This is a problem for people like me who do not have a Blackberry. I find that this might be one of the biggest disadvantages of this device, that and their image/marketing is a distant second to Apples.

It is a problem in that RIM has had a huge business focus while Apple has been very successful focusing on the consumer since Steve Jobs returned. It took a while for Apple to fight back, but even corporations moved to get their apps on the iPhone when they saw it's potential. And I doubt if they are waiting to move to the iPad.

I don't see RIM having that level of strength at the consumer levels.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:02 pm

I'm here in San Francisco at Blackberry Devcon and I have to say this thing looks amazing and the specs are hot. Looks Like my iPad will be getting a little (bastard half) brother.

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Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:39 pm

Quoting okees (Reply 13):
This is a problem for people like me who do not have a Blackberry.

Why? You can use WiFi on its own.
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:19 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 12):
The device is POSIX compliant, therefore any software written for linux should be relatively easy to port over.

POSIX compliance is next to worthless in that respect. Pretty much any major system on the market has that (even for Windows there was an official POSIX layer at some time and compatibility is still relatively decent even now), but availability of end-user applications hinges primarily on high-level integration, which involves primarily the graphical user interface and the higher-level APIs.

Pure POSIX is only a tiny and usually near-negligible fraction of all the APIs through which a modern application interacts with the underlying system and its framework. That's no noticeable help in taking on the >250000 App Store from Apple.




Pre-announcing a relatively modest "me-too" product so far in advance makes this look a lot like a stop-loss attempt for fear of losing an increasing number of users to the iPad and - by extension and even more worrying for RIM - to the iPhone.

A few points:

- "Playbook"? Are they serious? No, obviously they're not. And that could be a problem, since RIM's primary perceived advantage nowadays is their business integration. I don't think many people will (literally) buy their sudden morphing into a "hip" consumer product company which sounds more than just a little bit desperate and disconnected from what they're representing so far. Even Apple spreads a substantially more neutral image of their products. RIM would be fighting an uphill battle against a dissonance between existing customer perception and attempted marketing direction. A somewhat dubious marketing decision.

- The 16:9 form factor is a bad mistake. I know that many people scoffed at the 4:3 ratio of the iPad thinking of letterboxed movie playback, but in actual, practical use, this has turned out to be a correct decision: Using the device in both landscape and portrait orientations would make the upright 9:16 format quite awkward and limiting – even with the 9.7" of the iPad, the screen should not be narrower than it is for decent usability. 16:9 does indeed provide differentiation, but I very much doubt many users will find it really practical, particularly at the much smaller size.

- The much lower resolution at 1024*600 vs. 1024*768 on the iPad (only about 3/4 the number of pixels) would noticeably constrain text quality when reading. 768 pixels across is not fantastic for regular full-page text but still relatively okay. 600 pixels is just too little for that, however. You would be zooming and scrolling a lot more often. Just resize a browser window to the two sizes and check for yourself.

- In contrast to pocket devices like smartphones which can be held in one hand by their edges, a pad can only be held with a single hand by a thumb holding the device from the front. The small size has an obvious drawback: Since the size of people's hands is constant, the bezel is by necessity still about as wide as on the much larger iPad while the display is smaller, which means the ratio of physical size to usable screen area is much worse. That is further exacerbated by the elongated 16:9 format, which again reduces the usable screen area and makes the narrow 7" display actually again smaller than the 9.7"/7" ratio alone would suggest (the angle of the diagonal is different, meaning that 7" in 16:9 is a smaller area than 7" in 4:3 would be).

- 7" is too small for convenient use in most circumstances, yet it is already beyond pocket size, particularly with the relatively wide bezel around the display. The iPad is roughly letter- or magazine-size which works quite well in practice. Have I ever wanted a lighter device? Yes, I have, sometimes. Would I be ready to pay for that with a much smaller and noticeably lower-resolution display and most likely shorter battery life? Absolutely not!

- Due to its announced(!) arrival date, this will not compete with the iPad V1 but with the next iPad V2 generation. So the perception of a performance or feature advantage will likely change substantially in a few months.

- It is pretty easy to make wondrous performance claims in advance – as long as you don't have to prove actual battery endurance. The Flash capability is also to be seen in that light. And, of course, RIM is banking on upcoming CPU generations which Apple will also be able to use (or, for power consumption reasons, may opt out of).

- Yes, it's announced to have cameras and a few other features which the iPad doesn't have in quite the same way (general multitasking is a non-factor here – by November all iPads will have that as well with iOS 4.2). At least not the V1 iPad, anyway. If the Playbook will actually reach the market, these may make a difference for some. But in the end the question is how well each device works in actual real life – just piling on theoretical features which never really work well in practice is not a very promising strategy. Let's see how RIM will fare with that nth attempt at that. But I'm not holding my breath.

I can see their difficulties wedging yet another "me-too" product into an increasingly crowded field of wannabe "iPad killers". This looks a lot like a very early concept at best - or just vapourware at worst.

Not a single really original thought to be seen.

If they actually go through with this, the question is whether the product will actually be able to live up to the heightened expectations of its buyers, particularly given the already apparent mistakes. They may have bitten off more than they can chew. This kind of product is anything but easy to get right. And their track record with touch-screen devices is not exactly stellar to begin with.

I'm not saying that it can't turn out decently, but I would very much warn against just counting nominal features. Making a product really work is hard, particularly one as challenging as a pad / tablet.

The iPad is not a successful product for its superficial features, but to a very large part for the quality of the software and the level of thought that went into even many marginally-looking details. My subjective impression is that RIM is going into this hoping that a superficial and slightly tweaked copy of the real thing might be enough. I doubt that it will be.
 
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:30 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 14):
I don't see RIM having that level of strength at the consumer levels.

The consumer market has never really been RIM's target market for the BlackBerry. They've focused on the corporate market, and they've used their BlackBerry Enterprise Server as the main selling point of their devices since companies are concerned about the security of the info they transmit with such devices.

I think that the primary buyers of the PlayBook will be companies that already use BlackBerry devices. You will have folks like myself who are normal consumers who will buy it as well because it's a BlackBerry.

Is this the iPad "killer" that people have long thought would be released? No, as short of all of the iPads simultaneously bricking and becoming nothing more than expensive paperweights, nothing is going to come close to knocking the iPad off other than the next generation of the iPad.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:36 pm

Can anyone tell me why anyone would want a pad type device, I can't see any use for one, they look cool but why?
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
Can anyone tell me why anyone would want a pad type device, I can't see any use for one, they look cool but why?

I wouldn't say I actually needed my iPad, but since its arrival I've been using it for pretty much everything I once had thought I might use a notebook for but in real life never did: Couch surfing, running a TV program while cooking, reading mail or web articles on the train or during breakfast, showing pictures, watching videos, using maps / Google Earth, casual gaming, even for a literally "hands-on" presentation/illustration during a technical discussion.

Nowadays, I use my notebook computer only when I actually need a full-scale workstation on the road. Most other mobile uses are pretty well covered by the iPhone and the iPad.

It's "instant-on" and so easy to use that I actually use it more than any other mobile piece of kit ever before. Most things just take noticeably less effort to do, so I tend to use it more often.

With being able to literally touch the content, even the relatively intuitive mouse-and-pointer paradigm looks clumsy and complicated by comparison. Which eliminates much of the rest of the distance many people maintained towards the computer age and the internet.

When done right, this is really an attractive new product category, both for users and for manufacturers. It's just not easy to actually do it right as many previous failures have demonstrated (and at least most of the current would-be competitors will probably suffer the same fate all over again).

This is more than just a fad - it is really a new way of using computers more than it is just a redundant new form factor.
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:12 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 16):
Why? You can use WiFi on its own.

iPad allows me to connect to 3G. The 3G + the WiFi that the iPad offers is far more superior to the WiFi+Blackberry tethering the playbook offers.

Any reports on the price range?
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:41 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
Pre-announcing a relatively modest "me-too" product so far in advance makes this look a lot like a stop-loss attempt for fear of losing an increasing number of users to the iPad

How could RIM have been "losing users" to the iPad when they never had anything in this space before?
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:23 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 22):
How could RIM have been "losing users" to the iPad when they never had anything in this space before?


When you're using any iOS device (iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad), you can officially use all your apps and data on any other iOS device under the same account as well, and with trivial ease (even including all your preferences).

RIM not only doesn't have a comparable platform (and still wouldn't if the PlayBook should become available), they also risk losing existing Blackberry customers if these start using iPads.
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:13 am

This is certainly a long time coming announcement from RIM !

Whilst I don't see it as a failure per se, I do think it's positioning as a hybrid consumer/business product will be its downfall in the long run.

I notice that nobody here has mentioned the Cisco Cius tablet; http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps11156/

Now this is a true business tablet, one that I should be getting my hands on in the very near future through my employer. There's a number of key differences though, not just in the technology with its Android operating system and built in Telepresence operability but as a whole with its actual marketing pitch....consumers are not the primary market.

Ironically both the iPad and the new RIM Playbook support many Cisco apps such as WebEx and Unified Communication.

Klaus; I'd be interested to know your take on how Cisco will do in this market, considering its different offering and not as a direct competitor to the iPad.
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:12 pm

Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 24):
Klaus; I'd be interested to know your take on how Cisco will do in this market, considering its different offering and not as a direct competitor to the iPad.

The presentation seems much more focused and consistent, indeed.

The ideas seem convincing. But the presentation has never been the weakness of previous pads and tablets - their downfall was always the execution. That is the tricky part, and we'll have to see how well that one turns out.

Again they are using the same display format as RIM, which I don't think is a good idea. I'm using the iPad as it is, with its 9.7" 4:3 display and I think that is indeed a "sweet spot" for this kind of device from the user's point of view:

It is just large enough to display full pages and so avoid a lot of scrolling. It is large enough to present photos, documents or view videos in a small group of people. Due to its relatively square format it works well in both orientations.

I have my doubts about the 7" 16:9 display having been selected after actual usage tests – to me it looks a lot like the kind of component you pick out of a manufacturer catalog because it seems to satisfy certain criteria but which turns out to be rather impractical in the finished product.

A pocket device compromises on display size to be pocket-sized so you can carry it with you at all times without effort. This advantage is generally worth the compromise.

A pad on the other hand is carried around in a briefcase, backpack or purse anyway – only the latter may in some cases make a 7" model seem like an attractive option. But for that you lose the full page usability which the iPad has. So the 7" is too small to avoid frequent scrolling but still too big to fit into a pocket. Basically it is a large smartphone which still fits into a smaller purse but without gaining the actual advantages of a real pad.

Clearly some of the manufacturers are looking for various ways to differentiate their products, but the 7" 16:9 display seems like a bad idea to me.

The indication of the Cisco Cius having an Intel Atom CPU looks like a mistake – Android usually runs on ARM CPUs. If they'd actually be the only ones to implement an Android Intel version, they may have trouble getting their device to actually last a full day (the iPad runs 10 hours playing video!).

I wouldn't want a smaller iPad.
A lighter one? Yes.
A higher-resolution one? Yes.
More battery life? No, it's plenty / just right as it is.

The Cisco concept looks very much fitting for what they do and where they stand. The question is how well they can execute their ideas in practice. Not exactly a walk in the park.
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:27 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
I wouldn't want a smaller iPad.
A lighter one? Yes.
A higher-resolution one? Yes.
More battery life? No, it's plenty / just right as it is.

Okay, if ever you said something that pointed out your blind devotion to Apple, this is it. You HONESTLY don't believe that additional battery life would be a good thing?

Seriously?

C'mon, Klaus....   
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Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:19 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 18):
The consumer market has never really been RIM's target market for the BlackBerry. They've focused on the corporate market, and they've used their BlackBerry Enterprise Server as the main selling point of their devices since companies are concerned about the security of the info they transmit with such devices.

Could not agree more.... but I think RIM realizes times have changed and they have to look into new frontiers to gain more market shares... lets not forget they never were a computer manufacturer.... they are fairly young compare to Apple and all the others...

Just remember Apple went a different route when they started... went close to bust because of their "unique" approach and look at them now... very refreshing products and if you are looking for something like Apple... go for it  just do not try to turn a BB into a Apple product or vise versa  

Will get my BB Torch tomorrow!!!   ... finally and yes I could have got a IPhone 4 and trying to turn it into a BB... but why I want a BB  works best for me 

Will check out how the PlayBook works/performs as soon it is available... have played around with the Pad for a while but the size of it is just big for my taste... but like the idea of mobility....our TV's are all in 16:9... no issues you get use to it 

And lets be real Apple or BB are not the holy grail... 

As for the new Apple Pad coming so soon after such a short period..... guess it is not as good as it should be  or they fear the competition coming too soon.... with overall better products, glad did not buy one yet 

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Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:59 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):
You HONESTLY don't believe that additional battery life would be a good thing?

With a 10 hour battery life at full video?

If I was going to go for one I'd want a front facing camera for FaceTime. Toss in one on the back from the iPhone just for convenience. Maybe the dual core processor that will be coming in the (near?) future.

Good article on Apple at:

http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/09/apple-segmentation-strategy-an.html
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:30 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 26):
Okay, if ever you said something that pointed out your blind devotion to Apple, this is it. You HONESTLY don't believe that additional battery life would be a good thing?

Seriously?

Yes, seriously.

As a developer myself I'm acutely aware that boosting battery life even further would automatically mean increased weight and bulk.

The iPad has enormous endurance even now and charges rather quickly. There would be a noticeable drawback and for almost nobody a noticeable advantage.

Ready-made prejudices can appear convenient, but reality is rarely that simple. And actual, practical experience with the device in question plus technical expertise can actually matter.
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:49 am

Quoting swissy (Reply 27):
our TV's are all in 16:9... no issues you get use to it

You don't work and you don't read the web on your TV's. And you don't turn them upright while doing that.

TV's are for one thing only: Watching video. Anything else is secondary, if that.

A tablet has a much broader usage model and thus requires a different kind of format.

Quoting swissy (Reply 27):
As for the new Apple Pad coming so soon after such a short period

What are you referring to? There is no indication of such a thing. Apple keeps an annual update cycle for all their mobile devices. And the iPad V2 would be up in spring to early summer if they keep to that schedule.
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:19 am

The Galaxy Tablet might be good if they are not plagued by previous issues on their smart phones , only time will tell but from the presentations I have seen so far it looks promising.
 
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:15 pm

One relevant issue I forgot to mention above: With a 9.7" 3:4 display there is enough space for a full-sized landscape keyboard which can be used at full typing speed with relatively little adaptation (only the symbol shift buttons work differently to a conventional keyboard). A smaller touch screen by necessity enforces a different typing method. The smaller portrait keyboard on the iPad exemplifies the difference.

The 16:9 format further exacerbates the keyboard issues: With a 4:3 touch screen the landscape keyboard already takes up quite a bit of space, but there is still some space left above it to view the text you're typing. With the smaller vertical size of the 16:9 display, the only chance is to further squeeze down the keyboard in order to still see anything above it. And in portrait orientation the keyboard on the 7" 16:9 display is already approaching cellphone dimensions. Has anyone really thought this through?

All the 7" 16:9 tablets will have to cope with this limitation, particularly those which are intended for business use. This is not necessarily a critical issue, but it is a consequence of the smaller form factor and of the chosen widescreen format. The question is what's to be gained in exchange.
 
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:56 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
All the 7" 16:9 tablets will have to cope with this limitation, particularly those which are intended for business use.

It appears the 7" is going to be the size in the near future...every device has his limitation  , as long the user can live with it not a big deal..IMO, I like the size falling in between a cell and a small notebook... A 7" unit will fit in my wifes handbag... while the A-Pad does not... as for the 16:9 format.. still cannot see any mayor handicaps.

I do not think we will see any 7" cells in the near future or ever 
Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
As a developer myself I'm acutely aware that boosting battery life even further would automatically mean increased weight and bulk.

Disagree... if device runs more efficient less power used....= longer battery life with the same size battery

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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:15 pm

Quoting swissy (Reply 33):
It appears the 7" is going to be the size in the near future...every device has his limitation

Except the one that actually sells.   

Quoting swissy (Reply 33):
as for the 16:9 format.. still cannot see any mayor handicaps.

Use it next to a 4:3 and it will be obvious.

Quoting swissy (Reply 33):
A 7" unit will fit in my wifes handbag... while the A-Pad does not...

Sure. Besides that...?

Quoting swissy (Reply 33):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
As a developer myself I'm acutely aware that boosting battery life even further would automatically mean increased weight and bulk.

Disagree... if device runs more efficient less power used....= longer battery life with the same size battery

With any given technology, more capacity means a bulkier, heavier battery - that is inherent. Or with advancing technology, a thinner, lighter device with the same endurance.

It would not be a problem making an iPhone with 24h 3G talking time, for instance – the much bigger battery would just be dead weight for almost all users. It would be wasteful for almost anybody and useful only for a small number of people.

There are certain "sweet spots" in device design. It can be difficult to nail them all in the same device, so most will end up as a compromise – preferably a good one.

The whole point was that for pretty much all users the battery endurance of the iPad is simply not a noticeable limitation any more. With most battery-powered computers you feel rushed when using them, since you know the battery will deplete in a relatively short time. With the iPad the limitation is usually not in the device any more. You've got to eat and sleep eventually while the device can recharge. There's just no rush any more. That is a pretty significant difference when actually using it.

There's simply not much of a point further increasing battery capacity when it has already stopped being a noticeable limitation. From this point onwards, power draw with heavy 3D use could be further improved and the device can be made slimmer and lighter. But the battery is just not a problem even in the first generation iPad.

We'll have to see how the upcoming offerings will stack up, particularly the ones using Intel Atom chips.
 
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RE: RIM Introduces The PlayBook Tablet.

Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:44 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
Quoting swissy (Reply 33):
It appears the 7" is going to be the size in the near future...every device has his limitation

Except the one that actually sells.

Good one Klaus  the question will be answered down the road ....

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
Quoting swissy (Reply 33):
A 7" unit will fit in my wifes handbag... while the A-Pad does not...

Sure. Besides that...?

It is all about mobility/compact if you are on the go.... you know like the Samsung 7" unit... can take pictures while I walk downtown YYZ and still see where I go  size does matter at the end if the unit is being taken everywhere...

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
There's simply not much of a point further increasing battery capacity when it has already stopped being a noticeable limitation. From this point onwards, power draw with heavy 3D use could be further improved and the device can be made slimmer and lighter. But the battery is just not a problem even in the first generation iPad.

In general I agree but the actual outcome/past tells us different.... you know Klaus not toooo long ago people used a cell phone to make calls... and where are we now??? You can use your A-phone and I can use my BB-Torch and we can have a nice txt chat via the internet (A-net), or I can use my GPS, camera, video..... the more you give the more people want, a 10hr. battery life might be enough for today for what the A-Pad is capable today but I am sure not enough for tomorrow when the race is on with these "odd" 7"/16-9 devices, remember Klaus "we can not change the direction the winds blow, but we can adjust our sails accordingly".... 

Agree the battery life is no issue for the current the A-pad   

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