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Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:06 pm

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/143318/Ob...on-2012-Democratic-Nomination.aspx

Gallup conducted a poll that if Hillary challenged Obama in 2012, 37% of democrats would vote for Hillary and 52% for Obama. An interesting poll indeed. Personally as a moderate I'd consider voting for Hillary in 2012 depending on how she would challenge the current administration in her campaign. I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat or would she consider an independent ticket.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:33 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat

Outside of her resigning her Cabinent post (Secretary of State) and the risk of giving the presidency BACK to the GOP, what would be holding her back?

If this were to happen, it would not be the first time that someone challenged an incumbent president of the same party; Pat Buchanan challenged Bush 41 in the 1992 GOP primary and Sen. Ted Kennedy challenged Carter in the 1980 primaries (worth noting: Teddy didn't finally concede to Carter until mid-way through the DNC convention).
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:46 pm

Tough to say at this point. Problem is the DNC is having trouble with it's far left faction and they feel Hillary would be too moderate. With Rahm jumping ship tomorrow and the others joining the exodus you never know. Depending on the results this November this may become a reality.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:59 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat or would she consider an independent ticket


She would have to challenge Obama for the candidacy in the primaries.

She could run as an Independent, but that will just seal the victory for the GOP in 2012.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:25 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
She would have to challenge Obama for the candidacy in the primaries.

I'd hope so. This time I don't think Hillary will let the nomination slip away from her.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:26 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
She would have to challenge Obama for the candidacy in the primaries.

She could run as an Independent, but that will just seal the victory for the GOP in 2012.

She won't run as an indie, If she feels she can't win the primary she won't attempt it but can you imagine this? Wow!
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:21 pm

I still think Hillary should have been the one who took the nomination...oh well. Once a Democrat, always a Democrat regardless of who is on the ticket.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:34 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 1):
Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
I wonder if this is possible for her to run against Obama as a Democrat

Outside of her resigning her Cabinent post (Secretary of State) and the risk of giving the presidency BACK to the GOP, what would be holding her back?

I don't think it's a risk at all.She would be a very strong candidate for the Democrats.Knowing she's a moderate,it would put the extreme left wing at a distance,which would be accepted favorably in general, and have moderate GOP voter jump ship especially the women's vote.

Ms.Clinton has proven herself.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:10 am

How much difference is there between Obama and Hillary Clinton in terms of ideology?
I'll vote for any candidate that opposes Cap & Trade.

If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:40 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?

I read that rolling stone interview and he's pretty satisfied on the job he's done so far. I think he's in for a second term no problem. But I think he's in for a HUGE PROBLEM if Hillary decides to run.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:44 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 9):
I read that rolling stone interview and he's pretty satisfied on the job he's done so far. I think he's in for a second term no problem. But I think he's in for a HUGE PROBLEM if Hillary decides to run.

He's defeated her before. Why shouldn't he be able to defeat her again?
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:46 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
How much difference is there between Obama and Hillary Clinton in terms of ideology?
I'll vote for any candidate that opposes Cap & Trade.

Pretty sure she supports it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?

I can't see that happening he has to run.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:04 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Pretty sure she supports it.



Probably but like her husband, she would abandon it if it's too controversial.
Obama on the other hand is surrounded by too many environmentalist, professors and not enough manufacturing business leaders that understand the negative impact that Cap & Trade would cause.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:39 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
If the results of next months elections are disastrous for Obama, think he would chose to not run for a 2nd. term?

He has too big an ego not to run. he thinks he's doing a dandy job.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Why shouldn't he be able to defeat her again?

Because, now he has a track record.

Clinton would must certainly be a game changer for Obama. If she could beat him in primary, she could well be the next president. It will really depend on who goes against her in the GOP.

On another note, I do find it interesting that Gallup decided to do this poll at this time. Clearly they see some dissatisfaction with Obama. I'd like to see this poll repeated on Nov 3.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:52 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
He has too big an ego not to run. he thinks he's doing a dandy job.

Even if the House of Representatives goes Republican?

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
Clinton would must certainly be a game changer for Obama. If she could beat him in primary, she could well be the next president. It will really depend on who goes against her in the GOP.

Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?
For 8 years as First Lady, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
Her 8 years as Senator, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
In early 2008, polls showed that 50% of the voters would not vote for her.
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.
I don't get it.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:08 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Even if the House of Representatives goes Republican?

Yup, he'll grandstand that he has done everything he could, but the big bad GOP stood in his way. His only saving grace will be if he moderates and actually moves to the middle like Clinton did. He may get a second term. but, I think he's too stubborn.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?

I have no love for Hillary, but I have a new found respect for someone who can actually read the political winds and adjust as necessary. If Cinton takes the primary, she won't get my vote.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.

Yup, because Obama is much worse than Clinton could be.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:38 am

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 7):
I don't think it's a risk at all.She would be a very strong candidate for the Democrats.

Not a risk? Running against her boss isn't a risk? Splitting the Democratic vote between two candidates vs a single GOP candidate isn't a risk?

You have a strange definition of risk.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:11 am

I dont think the Democrats would be stupid enough to challenge the Incumbant. I dont think a party has withdrawn support from an incumbant or endorsed a challenger to their incumbant in a LONG LONG time if ever. Its political suicide, spliting the party.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:50 am

Obama may be unpopular and his numbers could get worse but nowhere near as bad as Dubya's numbers were in his final days at the White House (23%).
Obama has enough loyal supporters so his numbers would never dip much below 40%.
This poll still shows a majority of support for President Obama with Democrats.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
I think he's too stubborn.



I think he has really bad advisers.
He has too many academics and not enough captains of industry with real world experience.
If he has a major shake up of his staff and bring better people on, he could actually be successful in getting his campaign promises delivered and turn the economy around.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
I have a new found respect for someone who can actually read the political winds and adjust as necessary.



Then she'd be criticized for not having a backbone or character. They'd call her spineless.
These were names thrown at President Clinton when he shifted after the 1994 elections.


You know something, had Cheney & Co. not stolen the election of 2000, Obama would not be the President today.
Think about it.....
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:29 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Even if the House of Representatives goes Republican?

At this point the House is most Certainly going to go GOP. Senate is a non issue since the GOP prob only can pick up 6-7 seats but once Brown won they prevented the Dems from a free ride on votes. Obama's next big dance is the tax cuts. How he emerges from that will be a big factor in the rest of his political career.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?
For 8 years as First Lady, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
Her 8 years as Senator, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
In early 2008, polls showed that 50% of the voters would not vote for her.
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.
I don't get it.

Mostly people didn't like her because of travelgate and some other useless crap but what is making her so popular now is Obama's epic failures.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
Not a risk? Running against her boss isn't a risk? Splitting the Democratic vote between two candidates vs a single GOP candidate isn't a risk?

Would never come to that. She won't run as a third party candidate. If she can't make the Primary close she isn't going to attempt it.

Quoting Aviacsa737 (Reply 17):
I dont think the Democrats would be stupid enough to challenge the Incumbant

They haven't been in this position much. Getting absloute power than blowing it to the point where you may lose it all? You may see the Dems doing some crazy stuff next year.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):

I think he has really bad advisers

Axelrod is killing him the guy is a far left campaign hack that never got out of that mode. Rahm Emanuel's behavior has let the cat out of the bag on that one. He knows it was a huge blunder to go far left.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
You know something, had Cheney & Co. not stolen the election of 2000, Obama would not be the President today.
Think about it.....

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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:52 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
what is making her so popular now is Obama's epic failures.



At least Hillary and Obama is better than the best GOP offering, Sarah Palin.  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Rahm Emanuel's behavior has let the cat out of the bag on that one. He knows it was a huge blunder to go far left.



He's going to be the next mayor of Chicago and swim along with all the filth in that cesspool.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Funny I didn't know Cheney was on the Supreme Court



The fix was already in place and the Supreme Court finished off the final hit.
Glad you can admit that it was the Supreme Court that elected Bush and not the voters.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:57 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
They haven't been in this position much. Getting absloute power than blowing it to the point where you may lose it all? You may see the Dems doing some crazy stuff next year.

Actually im quite partial toObam, and think hes done an Excellent job on some things, and not so much on others. Health care for example did not go FAR enough. Americans have to be bumblimg morons if they think giving the keys back to the people who caused the economic collapse or allowed it to happen (the Republicans) is going to fix anything. IF anything it will make things 100 times worse.

There are more Democrats in the US now, Thankfully, and most of them stand by Obama. I dont think hes in danger of being challenged for re-election by another democrat. Especially with the extreme lunacy of the tea baggers spliting the republican party and scaring the bejezus out of moderate republicans.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:30 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
At least Hillary and Obama is better than the best GOP offering, Sarah Palin

LOL, yet she isn't anything but a FOX contibutor. She isn't running for president. It's another MSNBC smoke screen. Your going to have to probably deal with Chris Christie. Then your going to have a huge problem.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
He's going to be the next mayor of Chicago and swim along with all the filth in that cesspool.

Yea it really has become just that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
The fix was already in place and the Supreme Court finished off the final hit.
Glad you can admit that it was the Supreme Court that elected Bush and not the voters.

Actually I didn't but if you want to believe that go ahead but the votes in Florida were counted and the process played out. Not to mention you really wanted Gore in charge? I can't even and don't want to even imagine where we would be if that idiot won.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:56 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Your going to have to probably deal with Chris Christie. Then your going to have a huge problem.

Only if he tried to sit on me....

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Not to mention you really wanted Gore in charge?

Absolutely!
We wouldn't have wasted billion$ of dollar$ and thousands of lives in Iraq.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:13 pm

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
Obama may be unpopular and his numbers could get worse but nowhere near as bad as Dubya's numbers were in his final days at the White House (23%).

Really? I don't know. When his agenda comes to a screeching halt in January and he can't get anything done without moving towards the middle, I'm thinking his base will evaporate. Question is, where will they go and will he be able to garner enough support from moderates to fill the gap?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Glad you can admit that it was the Supreme Court that elected Bush and not the voters.

Keep tossing out that red herring.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:14 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
He's defeated her before. Why shouldn't he be able to defeat her again?

Cause he's had a mixed first term. That and also the media heavily brought down Hillary in 2008 (they were all for Obama anyway.)
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:56 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 25):
That and also the media heavily brought down Hillary in 2008 (they were all for Obama anyway.)

I wasn't too thrilled about either one and voted for John Edwards in the primary, even though he wasn't a strong candidate in 2008. Wasn't sure if the press was against Hillary in 2008 as much as you claim.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 24):
Keep tossing out that red herring.

Umm no, I'm pointing out a ruling that decided the 2000 election.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 24):
Really? I don't know. When his agenda comes to a screeching halt in January and he can't get anything done without moving towards the middle, I'm thinking his base will evaporate. Question is, where will they go and will he be able to garner enough support from moderates to fill the gap?

We shall see.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:26 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 26):
I wasn't too thrilled about either one and voted for John Edwards in the primary, even though he wasn't a strong candidate in 2008. Wasn't sure if the press was against Hillary in 2008 as much as you claim.

Media ethics my friend. They perceived Hillary to be a stone cold b**** and Obama to be a "Cool Hip Guy." That's how he won.

And John Edwards? How could you want to vote for that guy after he cheated on his wife that had cancer? He had his hayday in 2004. To me he's as irrelevant as Dennis Kucinich or John Kerry.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:01 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 27):
Media ethics my friend. They perceived Hillary to be a stone cold b**** and Obama to be a "Cool Hip Guy." That's how he won.

That and she ran a very presumptuous campaign with a rather whopping "mispeak." She said it very well "we've all seen what can happen when we elect a president we can have a beer with." Well, now we're seeing what happens when you elect a "cool cat" who can shoot hoops and talk smooth but is really a bumbling idiot on economic policy. I really hope the American people take a good, long, hard look at what we REALLY want in a POTUS and ignore the moronic self-serving interests of the media.

I'll be the first to admit I handily enjoyed watching Hillary have her hat handed to her in the primaries. Her campaign just rubbed me the wrong way. I never planned on voting for her, and could not vote in the Democratic primaries, but of the two I felt that she would have at least done the job without looking like a fish on a bicycle. I think history proves that theory correct...haha. Give me a choice now, though, between here and Palin in 2012 (dear God please just let that be rhetoric), I would jump ship and vote for Hillary if the GOP couldn't put up a decent candidate.
 
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:51 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 28):
I'll be the first to admit I handily enjoyed watching Hillary have her hat handed to her in the primaries. Her campaign just rubbed me the wrong way. I never planned on voting for her, and could not vote in the Democratic primaries, but of the two I felt that she would have at least done the job without looking like a fish on a bicycle. I think history proves that theory correct...haha. Give me a choice now, though, between here and Palin in 2012 (dear God please just let that be rhetoric), I would jump ship and vote for Hillary if the GOP couldn't put up a decent candidate.

I didn't like her campaign much either. She came off as extremely smug. Obama also did to a certain degree, but again he played the "cool cat" card really well. Now I think he's elitist more than ever. What the democrats didn't understand back in 2008 was how Obama had very little experience and Hillary had plenty, but America was craving a new "hope and change" and that unfortunately won in the end.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:16 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 27):
And John Edwards? How could you want to vote for that guy after he cheated on his wife that had cancer?

Get your dates in order.
That story broke out months after he quite his campaign.
The California Democratic primary was very early in 2008.
I lost all respect for John Edwards after he did that.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:51 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Get your dates in order.

I'm sorry but John Edwards running for president became SUPER irrelevant after 2004.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:11 am

[quote=NIKV69,reply=19]Mostly people didn't like her because of travelgate and some other useless crap but what is making her so popular now is Obama's epic failures. [/quote


Oh My! If I might, may I have a list of those Epic Failures. They sound interesting. Did we lose a war? Did we have a depression? I have to wonder, what were the Republican Epic Victories during the Bush years? I would like a list of those also.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:14 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):

Where is all of this new found love for Hillary coming from?
For 8 years as First Lady, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
Her 8 years as Senator, the right beat up on her on a daily basis.
In early 2008, polls showed that 50% of the voters would not vote for her.
Now 2010, the right is wishing she was President over Obama.
I don't get it.

I compliment you on your words, the same thought here. I think it is likely clutching at straws by the loyal opposition.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:31 am

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 33):
I compliment you on your words, the same thought here. I think it is likely clutching at straws by the loyal opposition.

Let's be clear here: I think we beat Obama or Hillary in 2012, if this self-destructive path The Triumvirate has set us upon is continued.

Hillary will just be tougher, especialy if she walks away from SecState after the mid-terms.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:44 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 34):
Let's be clear here: I think we beat Obama or Hillary in 2012, if this self-destructive path The Triumvirate has set us upon is continued.

Hillary will just be tougher, especialy if she walks away from SecState after the mid-terms.

Let us be clear here, nobody, nobody has any idea what will happen in 2012. You might want to be the winner, Obama might want to be the winner. There is no one who would bet the farm on all this conjecture. This is a shit stirring poll, nothing else. Hillary will be an old lady by then in terms of political life. She is 63 now in 2010. 65 in 2012. Retirement age, she has not a chance in hell. Hillary will be tougher? I do not think so. Hillary will be older.
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RE: Gallup Poll: Obama VS Hillary In 2012

Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:28 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 31):
I'm sorry but John Edwards running for president became SUPER irrelevant after 2004.




Well aware of that but his negatives were not as high as Hillary Clinton's and given the uncertainty of Obama at that time was the deciding factor in voting for Edwards.
Since the story came out about the timing of his affair and how horrendous his mistress looked, I lost all respect for the man.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 33):
I compliment you on your words, the same thought here. I think it is likely clutching at straws by the loyal opposition.



Perhaps they also understand that that no strong potential candidate has emerged from their camp.
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