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Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:10 pm

It seems that in recent years, it seems that pink has slowly been replacing orange and black as the official color for October, thanks to Breast Cancer Awareness. Prior to 2000, it seemed that nobody would even think that pink would represent the month. After all, pink can represent other holidays, such as Valentines' Day or Easter. Halloween has always been represented by orange and black.

Interestingly, October is also National AIDS Awareness Month in the United States, but we don't see the color red being promoted much for October. However, AIDS Awareness Month is in December outside the United States, and the color red has always well represented December due to it also being the main color for Christmas.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:28 pm

It's all a big marketing/political scam.

I'm not a cold hearted bastard. I'm aware breast cancers affects millions of women and their families. I simply cannot help but think all this "pinkness" is simply to make people feel good. No politician, celebrity, major corporation would dare not support it.

Why can't October be "Cancer Awareness Month". Are "male" cancers such as testicle or colon cancer less important?
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:33 pm

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 1):
Why can't October be "Cancer Awareness Month". Are "male" cancers such as testicle or colon cancer less important?

That's an easy one. Everyone likes tits, but nobody likes pricks and assholes.

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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:36 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Everyone likes tits,

Not necessarily  
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:38 pm

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 1):

Why can't October be "Cancer Awareness Month". Are "male" cancers such as testicle or colon cancer less important?

That's November, actually, or Movember (www.movember.com).

But I agree with you that the pink thing is out of control. Yes, breast cancer is a big problem. Yes, it still kills women. Yes, we need to continue to do research, but here's the bit that the Pink Ribbon people don't want to tell you:

MOST BREAST CANCER IS CURABLE! That's right! MOST BREAST CANCER IS CURABLE! First of all, women need to take care of themselves and get their yearly mammograms. Self-exams are controversial and have not been shown to improve prognosis (probably because women notice the lump anyway). But they need to take it seriously and not put off going to the doctor until it goes metastatic. Almost every form of breast cancer is curable if it's caught early enough.

The Pink Ribbon campaign has gone completely bonkers. It's become a feminist thing, among other things and breast cancer shouldn't be that. It should be considered a disease that needs more research so that we can cure the incurable types and do so with treatments that are less toxic than the ones currently available. But the whole attitude of the thing seems to have lost sight of the fact that this is about cancer. It suddenly seem to have become about the color.

Oh, and companies are totally on board! Yoplait donates a few cents for every yoplait top you send in. But when you do the math, it makes no economic sense. Why not just donate for each yogurt they sell? Why make people count and bring in their cuptops?

And I really love the "raise awareness" thing. Is there anyone old enough to talk in the world that DOESN'T know about breast cancer? It's gotten so absurd that someone actually asked me the other day what all the pink was about. The Komen For the Cure foundation has gotten so into pink that they've forgotten to mention that the whole thing is about breast cancer.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:46 pm

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 1):
Why can't October be "Cancer Awareness Month". Are "male" cancers such as testicle or colon cancer less important?

That would be nice. I do agree with you that a lot of the breast cancer awareness stuff is more "feel good" than anything else. Like you said, because of the strength of the campaign, few people would dare not support it. It's a worthwile cause and a lot of women (and a small number of men) have been adversely affected by breast cancer. At the same time, however, Breast cancer is one of the more "survivable" cancers with a survival rate somewhere in the 70-80% range, IIRC. Meanwhile there are other cancers whose survival rate is dismal (liver, pancreatic, lung) that get relatively little attention. Even ovarian cancer has a death rate far higher than breast cancer.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
That's an easy one. Everyone likes tits, but nobody likes pricks and assholes.

Gotta say, I got a chuckle out of this.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:54 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
it seems that pink has slowly been replacing orange and black as the official color for October

I haven't really noticed that, to be honest.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Yoplait donates a few cents for every yoplait top you send in. But when you do the math, it makes no economic sense. Why not just donate for each yogurt they sell? Why make people count and bring in their cuptops?

By requiring the lids to be turned in, they get the consumer to feel "involved." Also, the company gets to say, "hey, look at us, we're doing something charitable," and at the same time limit how much they actually donate since not everyone will turn in the lids.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
The Komen For the Cure foundation has gotten so into pink that they've forgotten to mention that the whole thing is about breast cancer.

Thank you! I thought I was the only one who thought that. When I first became aware of the organization, all I would ever hear was "Komen For The Cure!" I had to do a bit of digging to figure out who the hell Komen was and what cure they were supporting.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:01 pm

Some thoughts on this topic from my brain:

As a person involved with Breast Cancer issues (prevention, treatment, fundraising, etc) I really wish we would look at this, and other health issues, all year long. This one month of focus is really just a chance for 11 months of ignoring it.

The NFL games here in the US are awash in pink today in a show of support. If they really wanted to support every player would donate his salary for today to one of the foundations.

Keep in mind that Komen is not the only group working on this issue - I choose to support another for that very reason.

Men get breast cancer too!

I did one of the walks last month (Avon Walk for Breast Cancer in SBA). My favorite sign, "stop the war in my rack." Love a woman with a sense of humor about a serious issue. It can be hard to see an upside when undergoing treatment.

Thanks to everyone that makes an effort to prevent and treat the many illnesses shortening the life of our fellow human beings.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:05 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 6):
By requiring the lids to be turned in, they get the consumer to feel "involved." Also, the company gets to say, "hey, look at us, we're doing something charitable," and at the same time limit how much they actually donate since not everyone will turn in the lids.

Dannon has recently followed suit as well, with each lid containing a code to donate $0.10 to the National Breast Cancer Foundation (NBCF).
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:06 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):

I disagree with you Doc, and here is the biggest reason - the Pink Ribbon and the color Pink have come to not just symbolize breast cancer awareness, but awareness of all female cancers. The far scarier and more deadly ovarian cancer is included in that, as is the highly treatable but still dangerous uterine cancer. Breast cancer is kind of the middle of that road, but is the most "visible" (literally). Its a good thing.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:07 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
That's an easy one. Everyone likes tits, but nobody likes pricks and assholes.

(now I'm waiting for lightning to strike)

           

But seriously, one of my employees was diagnosed with Breast Cancer in 2002 and it's been a non stop fight ever since for HIM. That's right, he's male and has breast cancer. I didn't know it was possible, but have since found out it's approximately 1% of breast cancer victims are male. He's fought the good fight, but sadly it's now metasticized and he's terminal in 3 to 6 months.
 
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:09 pm

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 1):
Are "male" cancers such as testicle or colon cancer less important?

Colon cancer is not a "male" cancer, it gets both sexes. Testicular cancer is only a male disease but is so rare that it ranks low in priority. Now if you want to talk about a cancer that only men can get and is more common by a large amount than breast cancer, think of the prostate. About half the men on earth will get prostate cancer. I'd tell you the "but" but that would take the fun out of things.   
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:37 pm

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 7):
Men get breast cancer too!

Yes. Yes, we do.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 7):
I really wish we would look at this, and other health issues, all year long. This one month of focus is really just a chance for 11 months of ignoring it.

No. I hear about breast cancer fund raisers all year long. I am tired of it. Yes cancer is horrible. No one should get any kind of cancer. But, please... There has been so much money raised over the years for breast cancer. Every day we have to see breast cancer fund raising. HIV is a virus. Herpes is a virus. Those should be easy to find cures for since they are viruses like chicken pox and shingles are viruses, right? Why not throw money into viral research? Let's make every day a fund raiser for viral research!
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:46 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):

That's kind of my point. Every health issue should be a priority all year long. Sadly most people aren't moved until the issue affects them or someone they know.

Unfortunately we've never done a good job in curing a virus - vaccines for some, yet. But retroviruses (like HIV) we've not been able to find success. The human body is good at controlling some (chicken pox, some HPV), but even anti-virals just help, they don't cure.

This is why I work in prevention (health education/public health). There are simple things that many people can do to reduce the risk of a massive list of health concerns - and they are not shocking. Eat right, regular exercise, moderation with alcohol, limit number of sexual partners, avoid tobacco, etc. These aren't even news. I always say that most people know what to do, but don't do what they know (at least in the US).
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:30 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Where do you come up with this stuff?
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:34 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
MOST BREAST CANCER IS CURABLE! That's right! MOST BREAST CANCER IS CURABLE! First of all, women need to take care of themselves and get their yearly mammograms

It it's caught early - like my wife's was around 17 years ago.

The whole deal these days is the fund raising for medical research and awareness. And the SBK Foundation has done an excellent job in that area. Like Danny Thomas years ago working for St. Jude fund raising. (That has worked out pretty good also - survival rates are pretty good these days.)

The other side of Pink October is the Walks. It's a great time for survivors to get together and talk. A good time for them to encourage others going through the treatments. And it does spur other women to get checked.

Gotta also admit that more women know about getting checkups for breast cancer than men do for prostate cancer.      

Actually I seem to remember reading somewhere that a huge percentages of men (75% to 85%) see the doctor for a prostate check because their wives made the appointment. No self checking there.  Wow!
Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 6):
I had to do a bit of digging to figure out who the hell Komen was and what cure they were supporting.

It was started by Susan Komen's sister after Susan died from breast cancer. The sister wanted to "do something" to help others. Things sort of took of from there.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 11):
Now if you want to talk about a cancer that only men can get and is more common by a large amount than breast cancer, think of the prostate.

Great thing about most prostate cancers is that they are very slow growing. Mine was hidden (on the apex) so it took 10 years of biopsies to catch it. Had to have radiation as well as the surgery because it hit the margins, but no problems since. Most guys go through the alphabet game (BPH, PSA & DRE), get a biopsy when indicated and then get the surgery - if caught in time. With laparoscopic surgery it gets even easier.

And a lot of men die of something else, without ever being diagnosed.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
There has been so much money raised over the years for breast cancer.

And other cancers as well. Look at Danny Thomas & St. Judes. Jerry Lewis is doing pretty well in the fund raising area, even if it's not in the cancer area. And there is, fortunately, a lot of money available in other areas. How do you think that major centers like M D Anderson completes so much research?
 
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:54 am

My employer is handing out Pink ties for the uniform, subject to receiving a donation of course!

I now have one  
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:45 am

Keep October black & orange.
July should be breast awareness month instead.
The weather is more conducive to revealing breast in the summer months.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Self-exams are controversial and have not been shown to improve prognosis

Every step in prevention helps and at least I'm doing my part.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:42 pm

Once anything has been given the seal of approval by Oprah then it becomes big business - this is what happened to Breast Cancer awareness...

Charities are just business who don't have to pay tax in the same way the rest of us do.....a bit like churches really. I'm not convinced that anything meaningful ever comes out of the fund-raising drives... just another apparently scientific announcement "Amino acids found in semen shown to reduce breast cancer cells in mice" type thing.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:22 am

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 11):
Testicular cancer is only a male disease but is so rare that it ranks low in priority.

It is also highly curable and relatively easy to catch, as most men, in the words of Tom Green (a testicular cancer survivor), touch their balls.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 11):
Now if you want to talk about a cancer that only men can get and is more common by a large amount than breast cancer, think of the prostate. About half the men on earth will get prostate cancer.

Luckily, it has become one of the most curable cancers as well. Amazing work has been done with male cancers, while female cancers seem to have lagged behind.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:33 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):

That's an easy one. Everyone likes tits, but nobody likes pricks and assholes.

(now I'm waiting for lightning to strike)

*BANG!!!*

(I hope I didn't keep you waiting too long)  

I, for one, prefer pricks and assholes to tits.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):

Every step in prevention helps and at least I'm doing my part.

I said SELF-exams were not shown to help. If you're examining a lady's bazooms, it's not a self-exam, now is it?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):

The whole deal these days is the fund raising for medical research and awareness. And the SBK Foundation has done an excellent job in that area. Like Danny Thomas years ago working for St. Jude fund raising. (That has worked out pretty good also - survival rates are pretty good these days.)

Oh, I disagree. "Awareness" never helped someone. Cures help people. 16% of SBK's funds go to administration and marketing. Of the ~$160M donated in 2009, only $60M went to research and $100M went to "education, screening, and awareness" programs (this is from their annual report, which you can download on their website).

That's great. You can diagnose a woman with breast cancer but unless she's got really good insurance, there's not much else you can do for her.

I donate to Memorial Sloan Kettering's research fund. More research, less eye-watering shades of pink.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:39 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Oh, I disagree. "Awareness" never helped someone. Cures help people. 16% of SBK's funds go to administration and marketing. Of the ~$160M donated in 2009, only $60M went to research and $100M went to "education, screening, and awareness" programs (this is from their annual report, which you can download on their website).

That's great. You can diagnose a woman with breast cancer but unless she's got really good insurance, there's not much else you can do for her.

I donate to Memorial Sloan Kettering's research fund. More research, less eye-watering shades of pink.

Exactly... You're doing something far better than jumping on a bandwagon...
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:43 am

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 1):
It's all a big marketing/political scam.

Maybe..but maybe it also has to do with the fact that for late stage breast cancer time from diagnosis to death is 4 months, compared to prostate cancer..which is 10 years.
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RE: Pink Replacing Orange And Black For October?

Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:29 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
I, for one, prefer pricks and assholes to tits.

I'll join you on that one......

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
You can diagnose a woman with breast cancer but unless she's got really good insurance, there's not much else you can do for her.

excellent point

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 16):
My employer is handing out Pink ties for the uniform, subject to receiving a donation of course!

I now have one

Question: what do you think the reaction would have been had you "refused" to buy, oops I mean donate, for a pink tie?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 22):
Maybe..but maybe it also has to do with the fact that for late stage breast cancer time from diagnosis to death is 4 months, compared to prostate cancer..which is 10 years.

My major beef with all the pink supporters is their subtle use of blackmail support their cause. This weekend I was watching CNN International and they had a short spot on the NFL games and results. I noticed all the teams had some sort of pink on their uniforms, helmets, etc. I can imagine all the hype the various NFL announcers where spouting during the games. Just imagine the outcry had a team owner decided "no pink gloves, ribbons, decals", etc. The pink faction would have called for him to be burned in effigy.

Again how much good does my buying pink M&Ms do?
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