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Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:46 am

Just saw this. Sort of caught my attention.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/yahoocana...a_and_india_are_on_the_road_to_war
Now that China is a very strong economic power in this world and with the amount of USD currency they have flowing through their banks, if and when a war between them and India, how badly will the rest of the world be hit???
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:14 am

They are both nuclear powers, so... no.


But India will check China's domination of the region. It is almost certain that the US and India will become allies vs a unilateral China as a strategic balance. In any major argument, China can hold their own, within their borders. But so can India. On the seas there will be disputes. But ultimately, it's not conceivable for China and India to hold a shooting war. In that scenario, basically the USA does not let India fall, and quite possibly, Russia does not let China fall, ensuring a long nuclear winter where they, and we, all die. That's what I mean by not conceivable.

The idea of a ground war between 2 such countries (100m soldiers per side?) is also not possible.

They can be enemies, without having a war. That's a shame for everyone, especially poor Indians and Chinese, who, first, should hold a revolution, and relieve their leaders of command (violently!) if such a thing comes to pass. JMO
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:04 am

Quoting IBOAviator (Thread starter):
how badly will the rest of the world be hit???

I don't know what weapons this war will be fought with, but the next one after it will be with sticks and stones...

To paraphrase the old quote.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:16 pm

Title is a bit misleading. The fact that both countries are emerging powers does not make them enemies, nor does it mean that they will go to war. If it were like that, then the US and the Soviet Union would have had an all out war long ago. They do have their disputes, but that's not something considered to be war-attitude.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:23 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 3):
If it were like that, then the US and the Soviet Union would have had an all out war long ago.

That's the correct example, the USA and Soviets armed themselves from here to eternity. China and India will also arm themselves with modern pentagons. But they will not share a real war. JMO. If anything, you might see a regional conflict in a neighboring country, or a skirmish on the border of Tibet. They will be too well-armed to resort to some kind of direct fight.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:05 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
But India will check China's domination of the region. It is almost certain that the US and India will become allies vs a unilateral China as a strategic balance. In any major argument, China can hold their own, within their borders. But so can India. On the seas there will be disputes. But ultimately, it's not conceivable for China and India to hold a shooting war. In that scenario, basically the USA does not let India fall, and quite possibly, Russia does not let China fall, ensuring a long nuclear winter where they, and we, all die. That's what I mean by not conceivable.
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 3):
Title is a bit misleading. The fact that both countries are emerging powers does not make them enemies, nor does it mean that they will go to war. If it were like that, then the US and the Soviet Union would have had an all out war long ago. They do have their disputes, but that's not something considered to be war-attitude.

I think it's rather more likely that, as America withdraws from the Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific more and more due to its' reduced economic capability to maintain the existing force level, that India and China might look strategically to a 'division of spoils' in the entire South Asia/East Asia region. They don't have to 'like' one another but rather realise that being numero uno in their own area of ops simplifies life in many respects.

I agree a land was between the two is essentially out of the question.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:38 pm

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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:50 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
They are both nuclear powers, so... no.

With modern weapons, I don't think that we can dismiss the possibility. Not all wars would have to be nuclear, and even a nuclear war is now winnable.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:11 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
They are both nuclear powers, so... no.

With modern weapons, I don't think that we can dismiss the possibility. Not all wars would have to be nuclear, and even a nuclear war is now winnable.

Winnable ? How ? Even a 'regional' nuclear war has the potential to damage the planetary atmosphere so badly that the climatic effects, and hence the death toll, would be staggering.

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20100315_4193.php

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/12/061211090729.htm
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:29 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
It is almost certain that the US and India will become allies vs a unilateral China as a strategic balance.


Ironically in the past the US chose an alliances with Pakistan because it feared the potential of India as a regional power. In the past the US has supported military dictatorships in the former, rather than a closer relationship with the world's largest democracy.
Given that Pakistan is increasingly seen as unstable at worst and unreliable at best, the present appearance of cordiality by the US towards India is interesting. How far that will develop into an alliance specifically against China remains to be seen. I don't believe that either India or China consider war between the two to be in either of their interests at present. There is no evidence that India is aggressive as while there have been minor clashes over Kashmir and evidence of Pakistan-based terror attacks in India, India has been rather restrained.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:36 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
Winnable ? How ?

You kill the other guys and they don't kill you. Same as you win any other war.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:18 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
Winnable ? How ?

You kill the other guys and they don't kill you. Same as you win any other war.

That is, going by your profile, so immature as to be laughable.

Karachi - Delhi time of flight by SRBM is less than 3 min, zero time to assess the situation,
neither side has any ABM capability. Beijing - Delhi is a little longer, China has at least a
rudimentary ABM capability, but nothing that IMHO has reached operational status.
Basically both sides kill each other simultaneously, not one before the other.

Therefore, you are going to have a significant number of air/ground bursts on both sides,
with the latter kicking up a tremendous amount of radioactive dust, which will drift with the prevailing
stratospheric winds. Time of year will have a big influence on the fallout patterms.
Notwithstanding the radiological effects, the temperature decrease across several regions
will seriously impact crop production, fuel usage, and many other indices. Widespread famine
will occur as, at least in the South/East Asia region, food reserves are not gigantic as they are in
North America and Europe.

Even a 'limited' nuclear war will have global effects. No one will win it, and, in the very unlikely event
that one side declares itself the 'winner', they might not want what they've won. The USA & USSR
learned that staring down the barrel of a nuclear rifle was a very precarious existence, so they decided
that it was very much in their mutual interest to get along by getting along, no matter that there were
friction points. I believe Pakistan & India are also learning this lesson. China is I believe astute enough
to know this as well, be it versus India or the USA. Israel & Iran, hmm....I hope they're smarter than
the rhetoric (on both sides).

The one I do worry about is North Korea.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:24 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
Karachi - Delhi time of flight by SRBM is less than 3 min, zero time to assess the situation,
neither side has any ABM capability. Beijing - Delhi is a little longer, China has at least a
rudimentary ABM capability, but nothing that IMHO has reached operational status.
Basically both sides kill each other simultaneously, not one before the other.

You think that neither side has heard of tactical nukes and are just going to resort straight to an all out countervalue strike?

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
That is, going by your profile, so immature as to be laughable.

That's funny, considering it was American policy for over a decade.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:43 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
You think that neither side has heard of tactical nukes and are just going to resort straight to an all out countervalue strike?

Even tacs kick up a large amount. Think Hiroshima. That, perhaps 12kt, was largely the equivalent of a tactical,
at the high end. Think about 50-100 of them in a short time frame, with many over a very limited area.
With widely-dispersed military assets, both India and China would have to fire off a significant part of their inventory
to take out the other sides ability to strike first or counterforce. In fact, I'm not sure they could do it, which leads to
the conclusion that a large slice of the inventory are more city-sized weapons. India is currently thought to have on the order of 70-80 warheads, I believe. Pakistan somewhat more, not sure about the Chinese inventory. I believe in the last round of tests conducted by India, the scale ranged to about 250-300 kt. That's not a tactical weapon.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
That is, going by your profile, so immature as to be laughable.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
That's funny, considering it was American policy for over a decade.

True, but America learned.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:57 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 13):
Even tacs kick up a large amount. Think Hiroshima. That, perhaps 12kt, was largely the equivalent of a tactical,
at the high end. Think about 50-100 of them in a short time frame, with many over a very limited area.

I never said it was a picnic, but it's not the end of the world.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 13):
True, but America learned.

Actually that's the newer policy. The change was driven in large part by technical advances. The policy of mutually assured destruction faded away to NUTS, where nuclear is just another rung on the ladder of escalation and a limited nuclear war is both possible and winnable.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:45 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
I never said it was a picnic, but it's not the end of the world.

   I am simply gob-smacked by that statement. Read the articles pointed to in Reply 8.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
The policy of mutually assured destruction faded away to NUTS, where nuclear is just another rung on the ladder of escalation and a limited nuclear war is both possible and winnable.

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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:31 pm

China and India were superpowers in the first millennium and got along famously. Indian Art and Religion made it deep into China, and Chinese technology and other products such as silk made it back there. The strongest force was Buddhism, tying in all of South East Asia and Afghanistan together, Indian expansionism reached as far as Cambodia, Malaya, Indochina and Indonesia.

I think the two countries have a lot in common and are natural allies. They also have similar goals - to get a billion poor people into a viable populace.

I don't think India and China are on their way to war. My guess is China will be a purring neighbor once she has a secure logistics chain. China is busy colonizing Africa and that should do the trick. As a superpower, she needs to project and protect her supply chain.

Unlike the wars that the US has fought, a hypothetical Indo-China war will be fought on native soil. Nuclear weapons will keep the peace, as they have between India and Pakistan. India by nature, will not the be first to fire, and China cannot afford to become the pariah of the world by starting a nuclear war.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:10 pm

Quoting Quokka (Reply 9):
the present appearance of cordiality by the US towards India is interesting.

The India - Pakistan cold war is of no interest to the USA. We have no choice but to engage Pakistan (double meaning of "engage.") It does not imply we are taking sides against India. Certainly we are intruding in the region, but few people doubt we have our reasons for attempting to operate in Pakistan. Bin Laden is there. This does not mean we have a problem with India. I expect we should be cordial to India and they us.

Quoting comorin (Reply 16):
have a lot in common and are natural allies.

I would phrase that "have a lot in common... natural rivals," JMO.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 9):
India has been rather restrained.

Which is why they remain a natural ally of the US. Both prefer the status quo. India and China both have every right to their own defense. But one should not be so powerful as to dictate terms to the other, and become a constant arbiter of "truth," which favors China, as the Chinese side would like to do.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:37 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):

The India - Pakistan cold war is of no interest to the USA. We have no choice but to engage Pakistan (double meaning of "engage.") It does not imply we are taking sides against India. Certainly we are intruding in the region, but few people doubt we have our reasons for attempting to operate in Pakistan. Bin Laden is there. This does not mean we have a problem with India. I expect we should be cordial to India and they us.

unfortunetly we took sides during the real Cold War...the US took the side of Pakistan cuz they were pro-west..and India had its famous Soviet tilt till the end of 80s pretty much...save for a small thaw here and there.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Sun Oct 10, 2010 2:05 pm

Democracy is great...... 

There would be border issues between the two countries & added pressure as China hates the Dalai lama who is loved out here.
But def no war.Both countries know how important Economic success is.

The USA & Russia are friendly to India.

I guess Democracy is a great institution.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:00 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 19):
Democracy is great......

There would be border issues between the two countries & added pressure as China hates the Dalai lama who is loved out here.
But def no war.Both countries know how important Economic success is.

The USA & Russia are friendly to India.

I guess Democracy is a great institution.

Mind you, it's only a contributing factor in improving the welfare of the people. You also need competent leaders and bureaucracy among other things.
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:45 am

There are people who want to see the two countries go into wars because they can benefit from the wars, or even just conflicts. Wars between the two countries would hurt both China and India and their people.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:46 am

There will be conflict if the Indian democratic 'free press' keeps inciting the gullible with articles like this piece from the reputable Times of India. Enjoy! The comments from the nationalistic Indians also make a good laugh. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...a-Net-worm/articleshow/6725747.cms
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:30 pm

ROTFLMAO! Is this some kind of a joke ? Both countries have too much of a stake in their continued rapid economic progress to be conned into a fight by cynical western interests. Thanks but no thanks - I'm more interested in seeing India overtake all the major western powers in size of GDP, one by one over the next couple of decades. Nice try though.

Geekydude: There's no dearth of vitriol from your side. There'll be positions that articulate both hardline perspectives and moderate ones, on our end, just as PLA and CASS present opposing views of Chinese perspectives on India. Nothing more to see there. Move along.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:46 pm

Quoting geekydude (Reply 22):
There will be conflict if the Indian democratic 'free press' keeps inciting the gullible with articles like this piece from the reputable Times of India. Enjoy! The comments from the nationalistic Indians also make a good laugh. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...7.cms

Ah yes, as compared to the wholly fair and balanced Chinese press? What an entertaining notion...

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
Geekydude: There's no dearth of vitriol from your side. There'll be positions that articulate both hardline perspectives and moderate ones, on our end, just as PLA and CASS present opposing views of Chinese perspectives on India. Nothing more to see there. Move along.

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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:32 am

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
Geekydude: There's no dearth of vitriol from your side. There'll be positions that articulate both hardline perspectives and moderate ones, on our end, just as PLA and CASS present opposing views of Chinese perspectives on India. Nothing more to see there. Move along.

Whatever vitriol there is, real or imaginary, I just hope our Indian friends keep a cool head. Sensationalism sells newspapers but is not helpful solving real problems.

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 24):
h yes, as compared to the wholly fair and balanced Chinese press? What an entertaining notion...

Who said the Chinese press is fair and balanced? But if you're to judge, learn some Chinese and read different papers and websites, visit the multitude of blogs and discussion rooms . Better yet, come live here for some time and interact with some real people. Otherwise, you just keep entertain yourself with whatever your indoctrinated cold war mentality there is. We have no problem with you believing China is still backwater portrayed in 1984.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:50 am

Quoting geekydude (Reply 25):
Who said the Chinese press is fair and balanced?

You singled out the Indian press. That's pretty obvious.

Quoting geekydude (Reply 25):
But if you're to judge, learn some Chinese and read different papers and websites, visit the multitude of blogs and discussion rooms

Oy. A predictable argument, I suppose. Ironically I have just begun a Chinese language program, and I've been studying China and following different Chinese blogs and news websites on a very regular basis for over three years now.

Quoting geekydude (Reply 25):
Better yet, come live here for some time and interact with some real people.

Unfortunately I don't have such a luxury as I'm still in university, but either way I don't believe that you have to live in every country in the world just to have an educated opinion. I am however participating in an International program where I meet with many students from the PRC on a daily basis, and I have a decent amount of travel experience in the area as well. It's a damn shame that you have to post what equates to a personal resume every single time you have an opinion about certain countries on here...


Why must you make so many assumptions? Honestly it's reactions like these that make me reconsider my continued interest in learning about/possibly working in China in the future...
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:56 am

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 26):
You singled out the Indian press. That's pretty obvious.

Read the title of the thread. Why did not I talk about Fox News?

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 26):
Oy. A predictable argument, I suppose. Ironically I have just begun a Chinese language program, and I've been studying China and following different Chinese blogs and news websites on a very regular basis for over three years now.

A haphazard study of just 3 years including the language does not make you an expert by a long shot, sorry. It barely lays the foundation.

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 26):
Unfortunately I don't have such a luxury as I'm still in university, but either way I don't believe that you have to live in every country in the world just to have an educated opinion. I am however participating in an International program where I meet with many students from the PRC on a daily basis, and I have a decent amount of travel experience in the area as well. It's a damn shame that you have to post what equates to a personal resume every single time you have an opinion about certain countries on here...

Not a resume to brag about, really. I have seen both successful entrepreneurs doing business over here and prominent scholars who have studied China long and hard. The difference between you and them is that they are a lot humbler to learn/exchange and do not feint an interest if when they possess a real good resume.

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 26):
Why must you make so many assumptions? Honestly it's reactions like these that make me reconsider my continued interest in learning about/possibly working in China in the future...

The real world is tough. China is not for you if you can't even take reactions from me. China is huge 3rd world country with lots of problems. It can be extremely frustrating, but it can also be very a rewarding experience depending on your attitude and work ethics.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:11 pm

Quoting BarfBag (Reply 23):
ROTFLMAO! Is this some kind of a joke ? Both countries have too much of a stake in their continued rapid economic progress to be conned into a fight by cynical western interests.

That is two threads in a day we agree BB, Armageddon must be approaching, we had best both duck - and quickly.   

Meanwhile in the real world, back to an Indian sedimentary basin and its oriental mysteries!!! Plenty of Indian gods for well names I see. Probably a good thing for discoveries, the gods would not want to look unfavourably on "their" well one supposes.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Fri Oct 15, 2010 6:35 pm

Quoting geekydude (Reply 27):
Read the title of the thread. Why did not I talk about Fox News?

Er, what? China is definitely part of the topic. I was simply hinting at the other (very relevant) side of the coin. Either way, Fox News is an independent news outlet that does not answer to any sort of Central Propaganda Department, and is a very poor comparison here any way you slice it.

Quoting geekydude (Reply 27):
A haphazard study of just 3 years including the language does not make you an expert by a long shot, sorry

Putting more words in my mouth? At my age, I'd be nuts to call myself an expert in basically anything...so I didn't. And where did this 'haphazard' nonsense come from?

Quoting geekydude (Reply 27):
The difference between you and them is that they are a lot humbler

Again, I'm left dumbfounded at your assumption of my 'lack' of humility. I didn't compare myself to anyone, I simply presented a background of my interest in your country. In fact, I'm a strong believer that no matter your age or credentials, what you don't know is often more important than what you do know. With an open mind, you might find that there are myriad prominent misconceptions in the Middle Kingdom regarding the West as well.

Quoting geekydude (Reply 27):
The real world is tough.

Indeed, I also reside in the real world. Sagely wisdom, though. I suppose what I should have said is that life is too short to deal with xenophobic barbarians, so one of my continuing goals should be to avoid them as much as humanly possible. Thankfully, I have had the pleasure of meeting and knowing plenty of individuals from your country that have reciprocated my interest kindly and respectfully, allowing for both parties to learn from each other.

If we might return to the original topic now, I have noticed that some popular Chinese news outlets such as People's Daily and China Daily are extremely skilled at inciting popular rage against the party's enemy du jour. It is the hope of many that the CPD will, at some point, begin to push (or at least allow) more positive sentiments, including more varied and considerate opinions.

I will echo the sentiments of many others here, however, that neither state is foolish enough to seek an armed conflict with the other, and that such an event would be catastrophic not only for the region but for much of the world. We can only hope that China and India will move forward as both wary partners and rivals (but nothing more) as they both achieve increased prosperity. The diplomatic burden on the PRC will be great, however, as they maintain similarly complicated relationships with so many other states around the world.
 
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Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:41 am

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 29):

Great, I am glad to hear that you take your interest seriously with a great open-minded attitude. I am sure this will amount to something great in your academic life and future careers, be it related to China or not. I wish you the best of luck.

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 29):
If we might return to the original topic now, I have noticed that some popular Chinese news outlets such as People's Daily and China Daily are extremely skilled at inciting popular rage against the party's enemy du jour. It is the hope of many that the CPD will, at some point, begin to push (or at least allow) more positive sentiments, including more varied and considerate opinions.

News flash for you: nobody reads the People's Daily or the China Daily. People would rather pick up a tabloid paper and go on the Internet for their information fix. So you might want to skip the two altogether unless you're interested in learning the official party line editorials.
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:37 am

Only outside influences may cause them to go to war if ever, but I think both are two wise to fall into that trap.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:15 pm

Quoting geekydude (Reply 30):
News flash for you: nobody reads the People's Daily or the China Daily.

People's Daily and China Daily are not for everyone to consume for sure. Ordinary people (both in China and the west, e.g. AP) trash it as propaganda because they can't get much out of reading it. But there are people that read it and read it purposely (hint: abilities to read betweent the lines are highly required).

Quoting deltaownsall (Reply 29):
what you don't know is often more important than what you do know.

   Especially something that's not widely available in the free west.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:50 pm

It could be argued that most large countries are on a path to war, but diplomacy - and the knowledge of consequences of war, as well as the importance of compromise - keeps them away. Both India and China know each other has nuclear weapons, has large supplies of troops and weaponry and that the result of any conflict would massively outweigh the importance of what they might be arguing about; one gives here, one gives there, they increase trade, increase wealth and everyone's interests can be safeguarded.

Unlike the cold war, where the US and the USSR had "spheres of influence", can the same be said for China and India? I don't think so. Neither countries' interests would be served by a military conflict.
 
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RE: Are China And India On A Path To Future War?

Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:02 pm

Quoting B2443 (Reply 32):
But there are people that read it and read it purposely (hint: abilities to read betweent the lines are highly required).

Unfortunately the people in our US administration and the Bush admin don't read them. You are right, this the key venue for China's negotiations and communications with the world. It is amazing that our diplomats don't get that.

You don't banquet and powwow with the Chinese govt (or businesses). Those are Western, not Chinese techniques. Instead you take action. China govt negotiates using actions and the China Daily. Our admin believes you can go to China and negotiate. They simply don't know anything about China. I am an amateur and I know that. China takes action to protect themselves. If others do the same, they will blast it, but they will respect it at the same time. They only blast it because they make more money that way. It's all about protecting yourself. China does that.

Again, this may sound egotistical but it's an important world issue that Chinese and Western people can assess each other correctly. Both sides are good people. But they are playing different games. I really see both sides, and they are still not communicating. The WTO, UN and multilateral negotiations are NOT the way to solve these issues. Those are based on Western diplomacy, which China doesn't care about. Given that, I hope our people can learn to read China's messages, and reply in kind.

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