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Can Kmart Be Consolidated With Walmart Or Target

Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:19 am

With the recent mega mergers of US Airways and America West, Delta and Northwest, United and Continental, Southwest and Air Tran and even Macy*s and Federated do you think that the acquisition of K-mart is being thought of by Wall-Mart or even Target?

K-Mart is in a distant third place behind Target and Wall-Mart and they are the only other store that shares the same sales format of the prior two plus they are owned by Sears which uses multi level structures of an inclosed shopping mall and is not free standing. Could an acquisition by a format competitor also bring Wall Mart or Target into the multi-level in-mall format if they acquire Sears?

Let the speculation begin.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:53 am

Kmart is a trash heap. The only worth it has is its real estate holdings. Kmart is like the old TWA.
 
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Can Kmart Be Consolidated With Walmart Or Target

Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:14 am

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
WallMart

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Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Wall-Mart

Isn't it "Walmart" ?
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:29 am

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Isn't it "Walmart" ?

The title Walmart was corrected by moderators, sorry for the misspelling.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:34 am

Yeah, I had to wander into the K-Mart near the Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH for some supplies while working in the area. It was a very depressing experience.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:37 am

Here in Australia, the structure and ownership is different to that in the US with both Target and K-Mart being part of the Coles Group Limited, which in turn is owned by Western Australia based Wesfarmers. They operate as separate companies within the group but are broadly similar. Target used to be a bit "better" in terms of product quality and store lay out, but they seemed to have joined the race to the bottom with K-Mart.
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:49 am

Does K-Mart still have the Blue Light sales?
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:07 am

Quoting Quokka (Reply 5):
Target used to be a bit "better" in terms of product quality and store lay out, but they seemed to have joined the race to the bottom with K-Mart.

Both are utterly awful. And what's stupid is that Coles Group pits Kmart and Target against each other. There are so many shopping centres with a Kmart and a Target in them. I can't even work out what market segment Target is supposed to fit in to. No wonder Coles had to auction themselves off to Wesfarmers, Woolworths was just raping them. And a friend who works at Coles was telling me that the new policy, at least for Coles, is that the customer is right, no questions asked. Ie, you could return your half used bottle of milk that you let go off and get a full refund.
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:21 am

In any case, due to the size it would be likely that this would have to be checked by US antitrust authorities first. Even in Germany, this could take a while (though I have no idea how long an antitrust review would take on average).
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 11:10 am

No need to buy into a retail disaster that will probably be out of business (as to K-mart) in a few years. They just opened up a Walmart about a mile from me and it is closer and a lot better than the 2 K-marts that are not further away. I also have a Target near me as well. I haven't been in a K-mart in several months due to their high prices, curmmy appearances, lousy service, limited stocks.

The irony is that K-mart, Target and Walmart all developed at the same time in the early sixties, K-mart from '5 & 10 Cent' variety stores chain, Walmart from a small regional group of variety stores. K-mart grew quickly in the 1960's and 1970's, then stalled out in the 1980's, ditching many stores after a bankruptcy about 8-9 years ago. Target also started in the early 1960's from the Minneapolis based Dayton Department Stores company, with the department stores side now a part of Macy's. Target has been growing fast in recent years, incuding in urban areas that Walmart has had difficulty getting into. Meanwhile, all 3 have destroyed local and regional disccount store chains in most parts of the USA.

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Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:34 pm

The last time I was in a Kmart, was a year ago. My wife and I were out of town and she was not feeling well. I stopped in to get some cold and sinus stuff for her. It was kind of a"dirty" in there - old and unkempt.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:41 pm

Most of the K-marts were here in SOCAL were bought and changed to Sears Essentials a couple years back and they are still just as bad and the K-marts were. Target and Walmart are still much better all around and I don't envision either K-mart or the Sears Essentials being around much longer.
 
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:48 pm

Sears owns Kmart now. So a merger is out of the question. Over time I expect Kmart willv get better or just die out.
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Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:21 pm

I was just at our K-Mart last week. They are all so dirty and poorly run, it seems. No customer service, not much in the way of inventory and just generally blah.

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 11):
Most of the K-marts were here in SOCAL were bought and changed to Sears Essentials a couple years back

I would think that is what Sears would do with them. My mom lives in a town where there is only K-Mart and the regional store Fred Meyer. Wal-Mart is 30 miles away, although there is now talk of Wal-Mart building in her town. That particular K-Mart was just built in the mid-1990s and it is even dirty and not well run. There is a Sears appliance store in her town, so I would think they could merge the two. Makes no sense they would have two separate brands taking up all that space and money.
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RE: Can Kmart Be Consolidated With Walmart Or Target

Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:51 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 12):
Sears owns Kmart now. So a merger is out of the question. Over time I expect Kmart willv get better or just die out.

Actually, it's the other way around, as Kmart bought Sears in 2005.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 5):

The only link between the US Kmart and the Aussie one is the name, as Kmart sold their interest in it back in the 1970s.

I cannot even remember the last time I went into a Kmart, and the one closest to me somehow survives since the nearest Walmart locations are about 10-15 minutes away depending on traffic. I prefer Target and Walmart over Kmart.

When Kmart bought out Sears, it was thought that they'd abandon the Kmart name and put the Sears name on their stores. Then again, both names have gotten bad reputations over the last 10+ years. Sears used to be known for quality products (like Craftsman tools) and these days, you can get better store brand tools at Home Depot or Lowe's.
 
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:05 am

Walmart, Target, and K-Mart were all founded in 1962. Their fortunes have been wildly divergent. At one time, K-Mart was the largest US discounter. It appears that the K-Mart stores are being run as cheaply as possible until their real estate value can be monetized. I don't think Eddie Lampert ever really wanted to be a merchant.
 
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:14 am

I'm surprised at the low opinion many here have of K-mart. The town (SE Pennsylvania) where my parents live has a K-mart and a Walmart. K-mart has been there for over 25 years, Walmart less than ten. My parents prefer K-mart over Walmart. The store is clean, well stocked, prices are comparable and the pharmacy is cheaper than the one at Walmart. I guess it all depends where you live.
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:57 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Sears which uses multi level structures of an inclosed shopping mall and is not free standing

There are some Sears that are stand alone. Lincoln Park and Liviona, Michigan are the two that I know of.

I like K-Mart better than Walmart. They qualiy of the store can vary widely. The two Kmarts that I go to on a regular basis are very different. The Kmart in Woodhaven, Michigan is pitiful, but the Kmart up the road in Taylor is a great store.

I used to visit the Ellisville, Missouri store a lot back in the 1990s and it was always a good store too. I was just there a few months ago and it was about the same as I remembered.

Before Walmarts were everywhere their stores were kind of dumps.
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:25 pm

Since the Kmart meltdown of about 10 years ago, there is not one Kmart in the Houston area. That says something about a national chain not having a location in America's fourth largest city.

Back in the mid 90's Kmart built a SuperK store in Houston. Even after being open only a few months it looked dirty and decreped. After only about 5 years they closed it down and tore the building down. Just think how much money they lost on just that one unit!

I'm willing to bet that they'll just mosey along losing money until someone realizes that the brand really has little value in the eyes of the public and they'll just shut them down. They'll be going the way of Zayre.
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:59 pm

Quoting N801NW (Reply 15):
It appears that the K-Mart stores are being run as cheaply as possible until their real estate value can be monetized. I don't think Eddie Lampert ever really wanted to be a merchant.

This is key. K-Mart's remaining strength is in its real estate. As the pioneer of discount retail stores, K-Marts owns (or has long-term leases on) prime real estate in many crowded markets. Not much doubt K-Mart was intending on divesting these locations for re-development (sell them to other big box retailers, or have them redeveloped into mixed-used projects) but the collapse of the real estate market delayed their plans. K-Mart's other strength was its urban locations, as Wal-Mart and Target generally avoided impoverished urban markets, but that trend's changed in recent years. In the mean time, K-Mart's changed its business plan from low-costs to heavily promotional. Yet it hasn't expanded, nor has it remodeled its stores, since its bankruptcy.

Sadly, K-Mart might have still been on top had it not been mismanaged in the '80s and '90s. Capital was rarely put into its stores, it failed to invest in technology or modernize its distribution network (while investing heavily in failed ventures) ultimately leading to its collapse.

My first ever job was at a K-Mart that stood alongside a Farmer Jack (a large grocery chain in a similar situation as K-Mart that eventually went out of business). On a typical Saturday, both stores were incredibly busy and overtime was fairly common. Eventually Meijer and Kroger moved into the area and the crowds disappeared. While K-Mart is still in business, and the Farmer Jack was acquired by another grocery store chain, when I return to the area, neither store is ever very busy. On a recent trip to K-Mart (my first in many years), I noticed that most of the staff is still there many years later even though the store employs only one-fourth the staff it once did. I firmly believe the only reason both stores are still open is that they're holding out for Wal-Mart (there's no Wal-Mart or Target within 20-minutes, and neither store would be in the commuting pattern of most residents, and the spot would be ideal for such a store). Of course, the residents (it's an affluent area) would protest such a store (as they did Meijer and its attempts at building in four locations) even though it'd probably be a good thing for high school jobs.

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Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:31 pm

I've never been in to a K Mart that wasn't a dump and had lousy service. I'd like to see them fold once and for all. Target is OK, but I prefer Walmart.
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:36 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 20):
I've never been in to a K Mart that wasn't a dump and had lousy service

Until the mid 1990s I was never in a Walmart that wasn't a dump. Both stores have lousy service... They get the employees they pay for. Since they both pay crap wages they get crap employees.
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Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:07 pm

I'll echo what others have already stated in that neither Target nor Wal-mart would really benefit from such a relationship. IMO K-mart's best move would be to use the slightly better accepted Sears name, get rid of K-mart for good, and find that niche that would keep them relevant. And clean the damn stores while they're are at it!

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 16):
I'm surprised at the low opinion many here have of K-mart.

Have you been to a K-mart lately?  

Kidding aside, I grew up with K-mart as in Puerto Rico we were spared from the Wal-Mart nightmare until the 1990s (I believe Target is just about to open their first store in the Island). I still have very fond memories of it, though as a child/teen I wasn't aware of the devastating effects their presence (and their competitors) had on local small merchants. Still, it always had what we needed for a reasonable price and relatively decent service. I found it odd when the company bought Sears as we grew up treating Sears as a "posh" store! (well, for us even the Ponderosa restaurants were high-class!)

Fast forward to 2010 and I live in DC where the only option we have (thankfully) is Target; they opened a brand-spanking new two level store in Columbia Heights with easy Metro access. It's usually busy, well-stocked and clean but now I try to sponsor the local merchants more and avoid the "big box" stores as often as possible. Haven't been to Wal-mart or K-mart in over 6 years and intend on keeping that record going.
 
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:50 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 21):
Until the mid 1990s I was never in a Walmart that wasn't a dump.

Even the newest Walmart's reek of trash. I travel between the Chicago and Detroit areas weekly and often arrive at my suburban home in the middle of the night (2AM-4AM). In the last two years they've built a Walmart and Meijer (yes, side-by-side) near me and since they're both open 24-hours, I'll take advantage. Most of Walmart's clientele drives into the (affluent) community from a neighboring (poor) city. It never ceases to amaze me how they're dressed and act, how they bring their pre-teen children to shop (in the middle of the night!!), how they think it's perfectly OK to consume food in the store and discard the packaging-without paying and how they'll discard unwanted merchandise anywhere (you know, frozen food into the shoe area). Meijer, OTOH, bring a much nicer group of people into the store, even though it sells the same groceries/merchandise as Walmart and is a brief walk away.
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Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:51 pm

I hate to dump on K-Mart too, because I have good memories of them as a kid, but now they're just plain awful. There is only *one* remaining K-Mart in all of northeast Wisconsin, a store built in the 1970s that sure looks like it. It's just down the road from an equally bad and dated Sears store on Green Bay's west side.

When K-Mart began to struggle after the early-2000s recession, they shuttered many stores in the area, including one of the only new K-Marts in the area (a store in Grand Chute, near Appleton). Since then, they've allowed the only remaining examples to continue to deteriorate. The second-to-last store nearby was built in the 1960s and had no upgrades before its closure in 2008. The popular opinion around here is that K-Mart will leave the area entirely when their lease is up at the Green Bay west side store.

Meantime, Target has built several new stores around here and Walmart has also built new stores and done extensive remodeling to their existing ones. Green Bay is also home to regional chain Shopko, which like K-Mart, has struggled financially in recent years. Shopko was bought out by an investment firm and has since made many changes to its product, logo, and is building new stores, so they're at least getting back on track.

I don't consider myself to be a serious shopper, but when I do go to a discount store, it's usually Walmart or Target. On rare occasion, Shopko. K-Mart doesn't even come to mind.
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RE: Can Kmart Be Consolidated With Walmart Or Target

Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:54 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 23):
I travel between the Chicago and Detroit areas weekly

Is there still a K-Mart on US-20 Melton Rd. & Ripley in Gary, Indiana?
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Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:00 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
The deeper issue is that virutal collaspe of anti-trust law enforcement in the USA over the last 30 years that has allowed the growth by mergers and acquisitions of mega companies, removing local ownership, local benefits of profits and so on.

Amen! It's like the merger mania of Federated Stores, merging John Wanamakers, Bambergers, Strawbridge and Clothier and naming them Macys stores in the Philadelphia area, with the Clover stores (Strawbridge's version of Target) turning into Kohl's stores in the Delaware Valley and South Jersey. The Strawbridges chain was started by an authentic Quaker family in Philiadelphia - all that history evaporated with the buy-out. Truly a shame....   
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