User avatar
Aaron747
Topic Author
Posts: 8529
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:07 am

CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:39 pm

OK so this is a perfect example of why political discourse is broken. A tape has come out over the weekend regarding CA gubernatorial candidates Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman and Brown or one of his staffers commented that Whitman was a "whore" in reference to a special deal she's rumored to be cutting with public safety officers' unions. Brown has been campaigning on reducing pension benefits for all state employees and apparently Whitman was trying to garner favor from police and fire by proposing their unions be spared from cuts. But the substance isn't at issue here - now there are just wild reactions all over California by people opposed to the use of this word.

Makes no sense at all. Ostensibly, most politicians are whores in the pure sense of the word in that they cut deals and owe favors to people who pay for their victories. So in that sense, Brown would be correct. In another sense, he's being his typically un-PC self (he's been known in CA for a foul mouth his entire career) and might be forgetting about the whorish deals he has cut with unions in his past.

The Whitman campaign had an opportunity to react properly, but did not do so - they made it about the word, rather than Brown's inconsistency or hypocrisy. Bad move.

"The use of the term 'whore' is an insult to both Meg Whitman and to the women of California. This is an appalling and unforgivable smear against Meg Whitman," said Whitman campaign spokeswoman Sarah Pompei. "At the very least Mr. Brown tacitly approved this despicable slur and he himself may have used the term at least once on this recording."

Pot-stirring PR at its worst - there's no way a successful woman like Whitman is offended by use of this term.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43315.html
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
 
PSA53
Posts: 2928
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:54 pm

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:44 pm

Democrats are always forgiven.Where's the feminists on this one?Gosh.

Things are not equal.
Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
 
PSA727
Posts: 845
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:49 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:49 pm

Who was it that signed legislation allowing the state employees to be unionized in the first place?
fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
 
StuckInCA
Posts: 1618
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:55 pm

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:50 pm

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 1):
Democrats are always forgiven.Where's the feminists on this one?Gosh.

Things are not equal.

Where's the republican / tea party outrage that she won't touch some vastly overcompensated unions?
 
User avatar
Aaron747
Topic Author
Posts: 8529
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:07 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:51 pm

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 1):
Where's the feminists on this one?Gosh.

See, you've bought into what their campaign is pulling here. Where is the feminist issue?

: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : prostitute; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman
2: a male who engages in sexual acts for money
3: a venal or unscrupulous person


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore

1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whore

Should anyone vote for one of these people based on this word? No - it's crazy.
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
 
AGM100
Posts: 5077
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:16 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:00 pm

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 3):
Where's the republican / tea party outrage that she won't touch some vastly overcompensated unions?



Your right ! It was the first thing I thought .... We know that Whitman is closer to a RINO.... but I also know Moonbeam Jerry is off the chart left ... a Obama democrat . California is a blue state ... and the GOP should just save the money and forget about it. The only Republicans who can get elected in Kaleeefornia are RINOS who end up being democrats anyway.
You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
 
dxing
Posts: 5859
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:14 pm

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:01 pm

Now if he had called her a "witch"....well then he would have gotten all sorts of favorable play!!!   

[Edited 2010-10-11 12:53:03]
Warm winds blowing, heating blue skies, a road that goes forever, I'm going to Texas!
 
User avatar
Aaron747
Topic Author
Posts: 8529
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:07 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:04 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 5):
We know that Whitman is closer to a RINO

....as are most billionaires. How is this anything new?
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10889
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:00 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
The Whitman campaign had an opportunity to react properly, but did not do so - they made it about the word, rather than Brown's inconsistency or hypocrisy. Bad move.

Your right they should have found and old employee of Browns, made something up and called Gloria Allred.   

It actually was good move on something they didn't even have to go find themselves.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
as are most billionaires. How is this anything new?

BS. Sheldon Adelson isn't. Steve Wynn isn't. The fact of the matter is the Whitman campaign only ran with this because they had to offset the hatchet job Brown was trying with her and Gloria Allred in a very close election. If you are even starting this thread about this then you don't know much about politics. Elections this close and important get real ugly and with the stakes highest we have ever seen this is actually tame. It was a gift for the Whitman campaign and they used it. Nothing out of the ordinary but Brown has been spewing out nothing but garbage since he never dreamed she could make it this close.

Fact is AGM is right Brown is a complete Toolbox. Is Whitman going to be as bad as Arnie id she wins? I doubt it but this state needs something. It's bad.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
User avatar
Aaron747
Topic Author
Posts: 8529
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:07 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:24 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
I doubt it but this state needs something. It's bad.

Neither of them are remotely close to what the state needs - it's a disaster either way.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
If you are even starting this thread about this then you don't know much about politics.

I'm making a point about how current practices are part of the destruction of discourse. Your disgreement is not on-topic.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Your right they should have found and old employee of Browns, made something up and called Gloria Allred.

Whatever, they call this out when he has no record on women to attack. They also call this out when Whitman is a woman who fears no-one, much less a little word.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
BS. Sheldon Adelson isn't. Steve Wynn isn't

Good logic, two = most. Thanks - duly noted. Largely thanks to the tech industry, there are a ton of billionaires who are not Democrats but qualify more as libertarians or individualists despite having donated to Republicans here or there and not really committing to anything beyond that. So, again, you're wrong.

Warren Buffett, Gordon Getty, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Ballmer, Eric Schmidt, Mark Cuban, Jeff Bezos, Michael Dell, Steve Jobs, the Annenbergs, etc.
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10889
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:01 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
I'm making a point about how current practices are part of the destruction of discourse

Did you follow the Obama - Clinton Primary? It's part of politics and always will be. It's not destroying anything but we do need voters to be a little more vigliant.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
Whatever, they call this out when he has no record on women to attack. They also call this out when Whitman is a woman who fears no-one, much less a little word.

Yes but this isn't the corparate world. Politics is a whole new ball game.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
User avatar
OA412
Crew
Posts: 3733
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:22 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:21 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
there's no way a successful woman like Whitman is offended by use of this term.

Debatable. I can think of some successful women who would be offended by the word.

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
"The use of the term 'whore' is an insult to both Meg Whitman and to the women of California. This is an appalling and unforgivable smear against Meg Whitman,"

However, this is an overreaction and, IMHO, reeks of "fake outrage".

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 3):
Where's the republican / tea party outrage that she won't touch some vastly overcompensated unions?

  

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 5):
The only Republicans who can get elected in Kaleeefornia are RINOS who end up being democrats anyway.

Ever been to Orange County?

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
Good logic, two = most. Thanks - duly noted.

  

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
Did you follow the Obama - Clinton Primary? It's part of politics and always will be. It's not destroying anything but we do need voters to be a little more vigliant.

And the Republican primary? That was conducted cleanly?
Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10889
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:50 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
And the Republican primary? That was conducted cleanly?

Did I say otherwise? All campaigns are like this. Not sure why your making this partisan.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
ltbewr
Posts: 12361
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:24 pm

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:11 pm

This should be a lesson to ALL politicians and their staffs: Never use a word that can seen as offensive as to gender, race, religious faith and so on as one never knows when it will be recorded or the utterance can be used as blackmail or a way to lose a political race or position. Someone should have said in that conversation that the use of that word is unacceptable and if used again, they will be fired. Using the term whore is very offensive to women in general, especially those in government or seeking political office as seen as a put down as to their gender, comparing them to a prostitute and only men can be in control. In our current times of technology and the Internet, as well as microsecond news cycles and any use of any slight as a weapon in a political campaign, one has to be hyper careful with the words that are used. Worse, is that such situations divert the voters from information that will really be useful in their choice of candidates. Instead of talking about how to deal with tax and spending policies, the use of a word becomes the basis of voter judgement.
 
User avatar
OA412
Crew
Posts: 3733
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2000 6:22 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:11 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Did I say otherwise? All campaigns are like this. Not sure why your making this partisan.

Nice try there, but you're not fooling anyone. You know exactly what I'm getting at and you know damn well the point I was making.

[Edited 2010-10-12 00:12:36]
Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
 
NIKV69
Posts: 10889
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:27 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:17 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Nice try there, but you're not fooling anyone. You know exactly what I'm getting at and you know damn well the point I was making

Care to enlighten us?
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
AGM100
Posts: 5077
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:16 am

RE: CA Race: Brown, Whitman & "W" Word

Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:15 pm

Whore ? Come to mind ..... Jerry promises California taxpayers that they will pay for Illegal immigrant college tuition. He plans on signing a bill that will give money ...your money.... so that illegals can have a college education .

So all the people who work and save to send there kids to college .... fuckit .... just let Jerry and the man pay for it ! Oh wait ...you are citizen so ...back to work .


http://www.breitbart.tv/brown-pledge...egals-one-of-first-bills-ill-sign/
You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], Mani87 and 52 guests