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UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:33 pm

I search for UFO, NYC, and Manhattan and found nothing - can someone point me to the right thread?

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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:02 pm

I haven't seen one. I'm guessing your referencing this recent sighting:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...4/dozens-report-ufo-new-york-city/
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:17 pm

These things always remind me of the movie "Signs". I enjoy thinking of the news report from Brazil showing an alien walking by. Eerie. It makes news items like this more entertaining.

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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:18 am

I love how the one guy claims that "ballons don't act like that", and then says "they looked like jellyfish in the sky".

 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:34 am

I am a skywatcher and have been for many years. I have been looking for them though I have never seen any.

I have seen all kinds of flying objects- satellites, ISS, hot air balloons, fighter planes, airlineers, everything.. but never ever seen UFOs. I wonder why.

Me thinks they don't exist neither do aliens.
Have any of you seen flying saucers and that sort of stuff like they see in China, New York City, etc.

Could these be holograms? Are they trying to scare people?
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:39 pm

I'm open to the idea....
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:44 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):


Me thinks they don't exist neither do aliens.

To paraphrase Thomas Carlyle (the quote often gets misattributed to Sagan) - if other star systems are uninhabited, it seems like an awful waste of space.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:17 pm

With the amount of air traffic of NYC, how can someone even say the word UFO? Some people just enjoy the entertainment I guess.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:00 pm

It was a weather balloon...or swamp gas...or the planet Jupiter...

 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:09 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
Me thinks they don't exist neither do aliens.
Have any of you seen flying saucers and that sort of stuff like they see in China, New York City, etc.

The fact that you have never seen any "unexplainable thing in the air" does not mean nothing such exists.

Until 1991 and at the respectable age of 43 I had no opinion on the subject, like many I was in the "who knows ?" league.
On a nice summer night I had (together with half a dozen people I gathered) a whopping 35 minutes astonishing experience.

It turns out it was only one of several hundreds (officially reported) sightings...and multiple radar (ground and airborne radars, including NATO, Belgian Air Force and Brussels civilian) trackings over Belgium and contiguous areas over a period of 4 years.

The Air Force report subsequent to the inquiry ordered by the General HQ is available on the internet.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc408.htm
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):

Me thinks they don't exist neither do aliens.

Oh, I disagree. I think there are certainly aliens. It's inconceivable that we're alone in this huge universe that spreads literally far beyond what they eye can see.

But I do agree that it is exceedingly unlikely that they're here. And that they are only visible to trailer park residents.  
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:58 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):
Me thinks they don't exist neither do aliens.

To say that there definitely are aliens or there definitely are not aliens is stupid. Consider the fact that we have only started exploring our own galaxy. We haven't even explored the entire Milky Way. Now consider that there may be as many as 500 billion galaxies out there in the cosmos. No one on this planet can say for certainty that aliens do or do not exist. I for the record, do believe that they exist, and that we have been visited, and are still being visited.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:13 pm

With so many possibilities of life out there in space I am sure there is life somewhere else besides Earth. But do they have the capabilities of space travel? Remember, some life could be just mold on a rock.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:19 am

Never say never. Universe is infinite, some guys could be living somewhere. Just like you or I haven't travelled to Mars or Saturn, they too might perhaps have not travelled, so we've not seen them..
And one should not expect to see an object with legs and arms, perhaps liquid-ish ?
If I recall correctly, Lord Buddha has once mentioned something along the lines that extraterrestrial life exists - though I'm not sure.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:50 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 9):
On a nice summer night I had (together with half a dozen people I gathered) a whopping 35 minutes astonishing experience.

I'd love to hear about it!
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:18 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 11):
Now consider that there may be as many as 500 billion galaxies out there in the cosmos. No one on this planet can say for certainty that aliens do or do not exist.

No, but we can use the law of averages to say that there most likely is other life.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 13):
Universe is infinite

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The boundaries of the universe are not physical, but temporal. So one could say that you could travel across an infinite amount of space, and never reach any sort of end. But there is an "end" (at least according to the latest models), it's just unobservable.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:33 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
But I do agree that it is exceedingly unlikely that they're here. And that they are only visible to trailer park residents.

I guess that statement refers to the often too quick jump from seeing a UFO to claiming that they're aliens. The more educated one is, the more likely one will know the alternatives. However, seeing a UFO isn't that uncommon. It's just something in the air that cannot be identified at the moment of the sighting. I've have some 3 experiences like that, and I'm not talking about an A320 on approach to BRU in a colour scheme that was unfamiliar to me  

If you're interested in a story from a very educated person, check this film about the Belgian UFO wave that was mentionned higher in this thread. A major in the Belgian Air Force gives a very interesting summary of the events. He doesn't claim it was alien technology but he does exclude all other thinkable options.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:25 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 14):
I'd love to hear about it!

We are diverging from the OP's thread. But the subject is interesting and might deserve one of its own.

http://adelmon.free.fr/vaguebelge/Rechain_expertise_marion.jpg
The only known picture of "an object" during the Belgian UFO wave.
Figure 1 is the original, the others are results of filterings by the CNRS (French national center for scientific research).
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:45 pm

During the time of the Belgian UFO wave, I saw flying objects similar to those displayed in the previous link. Multiple objects consisting of three orange lights each, flying very fast in a formation, no sound. This was during a holiday in Normandie. I only learned about the sightings in Belgium after I saw them.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:55 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Oh, I disagree. I think there are certainly aliens. It's inconceivable that we're alone in this huge universe that spreads literally far beyond what they eye can see.

There may very well be other forms of "intelligent" life in the Universe although nothing has yet proved it.

It is more the "flying saucers" and other space vehicles from unknown planets I am thinking of. I am an almost every night sky watcher for years in so many places around the world and so far I have seen... Nothing.

A lot of people have a tendency to mix up chinese lanterns and diverse mylar balloons with "alien spacecrafts". Holographic images projected in the sky for various testing purposes are not an impossibility, the same with falling bits and pieces of sattelites, unknown air force crafts and other.

I will leave the alien spacecrafts, HAARP and such things to illuminist forums.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:21 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
I will leave the alien spacecrafts, HAARP and such things to illuminist forums.

So, I take it you consider
the CNES (Centre National d'Etudes Spatiales - Toulouse), the equivalent of NASA, as another bunch of illuminists,
Gordon Cooper, US astronaut of Gemini and Mercury fame, engineer and test pilot as an illuminist, even on his death bed
Harry Truman, US president as an illuminist
and the list is too long for A.net's server

For your basic information please consider visiting http://www.aaafasso.fr/crbst_35.html and especially read the commissions' progress report of May 31, 2010 (in French)
http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/u...p-Commission-Sigma-3AF-English.pdf (in English)
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:53 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 20):

We are not talking about the same people. I am thinking in terms of David Icke and otther such people who are hyping up UFOs and aliens, not CNES or NASA.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:34 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
It is more the "flying saucers" and other space vehicles from unknown planets I am thinking of.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
A lot of people have a tendency to mix up chinese lanterns and diverse mylar balloons with "alien spacecrafts".
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):

I will leave the alien spacecrafts, HAARP and such things to illuminist forums.

We were indeed mentioning the existence of unexplainable but fully documented flying phenomena.
They are alien because science as available on planet Earth in the year 2010 of the Gregorian calendar is ages away from what these crafts, from who knows where, are showing us.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:14 pm

Back on topic - in the video on this page some witnesses said there was about 50 of these mysterious flying objects not just one.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...chelsea_ufo_d27xhhmBwUABMwvFYS2GYP

http://www.mufon.com/

 Wow!

[Edited 2010-10-16 11:16:48]
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:16 pm

Interesting. A friend of mine saw something similar in Edinburgh a few days ago and seemed sure they were balloons or lanterns, illuminated somehow. I immediately thought of the Chinese Moon Festival - anyone know when it was this year?
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:18 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 24):

Can Chinese lanterns travel around the world just like that?

   
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:27 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 25):
Can Chinese lanterns travel around the world just like that?

What have I missed? Does it say somewhere that the same objects were seen in different places around the world or that similar objects were seen around the world?
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:02 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 17):
We are diverging from the OP's thread. But the subject is interesting and might deserve one of its own.

I know, but a second link in the original story stated that these were balloons released accidentally at a nearby school, which then floated over the city. So I guess I just kinda figured that the original topic had been solved.

I would indeed like to hear your account; I had a roommate whose family had an experience during a wave of sightings near Williamsport PA, and I've seen a "blinking star" which I had long assumed to be a glinting rotating geostationary satellite and only recently realized that its slow movement and northerly orbit (near Vega) would rule that out...
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:19 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 19):
A lot of people have a tendency to mix up chinese lanterns and diverse mylar balloons with "alien spacecrafts". Holographic images projected in the sky for various testing purposes are not an impossibility, the same with falling bits and pieces of sattelites, unknown air force crafts and other.

How many of those have you spotted and how did you conclude that your sighting was in one of those categories?
Lanterns, I think I would be cabable of recognizing with the bare eye. A meteorological balloon? There would be no way to confirm this. I once had a sighting that can only have been a very high balloon of some kind but since I didn't have binoculars with me I will never know for sure, it's just a logical assumption made by eliminating all other options.

As for an unknown craft, after the Belgian wave, Air Force Major Wilfried De Brouwer used a very strong argument to dissmiss the option of an "unknown airforce craft": Why would anbody want to test a secret craft over a densely populated region like Belgium?

Seeing the footage from New York, we also can only assume that they were balloons. It even is very likely they were balloons but we would be foolish to take that assumption for a certainty untill it's a proven truth.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:21 pm

What I don't understand is why is there no video of the objects from any of the six helicopters that were hovering around the so called balloons. All the news helicopters are equipped with high resolution cameras very capable of zooming in thousands of feet. There should be some video from that perspective. Why is this not being released to the public?

Balloons get released everyday and have never caused this much of a commotion. I don't believe it for a second. It may not be aliens..but it does deserve another explanation..balloons cannot have brought 2-3 blocks of NYC to a halt.
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:29 pm

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 18):
Multiple objects consisting of three orange lights each, flying very fast in a formation, no sound.

Indeed, none of the reports mention sound. Which is weird because the radar readings indicate speeds way in excess of Mach 1. Hence, sonic booms would be expected. The lack of sonic booms is one of the strongest arguments for the sceptics to claim that either the radar readings were false (hence crumbling the entire case made by the air force) or that the phenomenon was not a material object.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:48 pm

Actually, we call New York City Ux-Ggarkjenhjunkkryawrty.

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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting Jalap (Reply 30):
The lack of sonic booms is one of the strongest arguments for the sceptics to claim that either the radar readings were false (hence crumbling the entire case made by the air force) or that the phenomenon was not a material object.

As much as 5 radars (3 ground, 2 airborne) from different brands and located at different places tracked the same thing at the same spots, recorded same altitudes and speeds. (and acceleration up to 46g...)
Add to this thousands of eyewitnesses, some of them of the "most credible" categories, a rather large geographic area (France, Belgium, Germany) and similar observations over a long period of time and one can understand that the professional sceptics have a very hard time with this one. (ps: W De Brouwer was a full colonel at the time)

A good read from the USA, 1959 http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/keyhoe-truman_nicap.pdf
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:30 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 32):
As much as 5 radars (3 ground, 2 airborne) from different brands and located at different places tracked the same thing at the same spots, recorded same altitudes and speeds. (and acceleration up to 46g...)

Thought I read that only 1 F16 managed to get a lock on the object and measure its speed and acceleration. The ground radars did little more than locate the objects.
It is claimed that the F16's at the time used radars that were notorious for giving false readings. I found that in a decent "sceptic" report some time ago but can't find it right now.
In any case, I still find the colonel who retired as a general more convincing than that sceptic report  
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:10 am

In my case, late summer '91, around 21:20 LT, at position 50 42 44 74N 4 21 15 34E, clear sky, no wind.
Saw through my window three unusual lights and thought first about a reflection in the slanted double glazing.
Opened the window and confirmed three lights standing still in the direction 125 degrees at an elevation of approx 8-10 degrees, arranged in a triangle.

The lights were not steady but showed a constantly varying glow, mostly in the orange tones.
Just to make sure I was not victim of an illusion I called my neighbours (one a flying professional for 30 years) whom confirmed exactly what I was seeing.
After about 30 minutes two of the lights disappeared but we all agreed that during a fraction of a second we had seen one of those moving up at incredible speed. The third light vanished about 5 minutes later.

There were no clouds and no stars to be seen at that low elevation.
Best guess for the distance was 8-15km.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:39 am

Quoting Rabenschlag (Reply 18):
During the time of the Belgian UFO wave, I saw flying objects similar to those displayed in the previous link. Multiple objects consisting of three orange lights each, flying very fast in a formation, no sound. This was during a holiday in Normandie. I only learned about the sightings in Belgium after I saw them.

Just as an add on:

* This happened during the night and at the shores of the English Channel.
* Apparently, the opjects were flying over the sea
* they were crossing the sky from east to west full range
* One other witness

These aspects, in my view, exclude light shows, projections etc. originating from the ground.
 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:58 am

What do you all alien spotters make of this one
the alien shoot out at Dulce underground base?
Will you say this one was real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZ9zxx9qb8


 
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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:02 am

I remain skeptical. I lean more towards UFO sightings likely being classified government/scientific experiments or natural phenomenon that we don't yet understand.

Now, if I could just get all the participants in this thread to look in my direction...

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RE: UFO's Over New York City Or Manhattan

Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:11 am

I too have seen some strange subjects. I guess everyone has their own fair share.. But what we see may not always be true.
Once I've seen a few weird lights ( around 7 ) in the form of an eclipse stationary on sky ( not a star ). And I wasn't the only one.
Another time I've seen something in the form of jet vortices, starting down from the horizon and reaching up ( and that's not a plane unless someone launched a space shuttle ).
On another time, I saw two bright lights. Were stationary for say five minutes. Then began moving closer. And ten mins later, an A330 arrived over my heads.

Illusions are plenty. There could be truth too, I'm not ruling that out.

But the fact that every alien-ship ( not UFO. All those stuff we've seen, be it a UAV that we could never identify are UFO to us. ) needs to be saucer shaped, sounds rather childish.

Tell me about a flying object that morphed while flying, and now that could be true.

But in other cases, the things we see could well be a secret mission launched by the Air Force to spy.

Just think.. If there isn't any life in the nearby planets that we can reach. The life whoever comes here must be coming from somewhere farther than humans can reach. So they obviously must be having intelligent tech than ours.
So, just because our airplanes have remained unchanged in shape, why should we expect alien ships do ?
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