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President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:49 am

Now if a white politician had said this how many seconds would it have taken Rev. Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton to hit the airwaves and start denouncing them?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101025/ap_on_el_pr/us_obama

He said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

Now that's a uniter and not a divider!!!    BTW, exactly what does he mean when he says democrats (notice the use of the word "democrats" not "democratics" or "democratic party") pulled it out? 9%+ unemployment and a barely breathing GDP is pulling it out? Then by that standard President Reagan not only pulled it out, he super tuned it into a NASCAR racing machine without a restrictor plate.

Even the man running for Governor of the State of Rhode Island on the democratic party ticket passed on seeing him and I would think it would be kind of hard not to run into someone in 5 hours of traveling around Rhode Island.

Nor was his greeting totally friendly in Rhode Island where Obama has pointedly declined to endorse his party's candidate for governor.

Obama can "take his endorsement and shove it," declared Democrat Frank Caprio, battling Republican-turned-independent Lincoln Chafee in a gubernatorial race rated tight in the polls. Chafee endorsed Obama during the 2008 campaign for the White House.


Guess that guy has had enough change!
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:26 pm

Talk about Fox News Radio talking points man.

Obama has every right to be tired of trying to play ball with the Republicans, when they have no interest in meeting half-way on anything. Many Democrats are actually annoyed that he has tried to hard to accommodate both sides on many debates when he could have been more direct.

I've been amazed at how much some Republicans love to play the "victimised" card because they aren't in power. Obama has done extremely little to actually get you annoyed, but still you'd think he is trying to make America into the USSR the way some people go on.

It's election time. He is getting flamed from all over the place, he has a right to flame back.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:33 pm

I'm no Obama fan, I tend to actually hate him (and most politicians), but...this seems like a bitttt of a stretch to me, man...
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:37 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
Now if a white politician had said this how many seconds would it have taken Rev. Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton to hit the airwaves and start denouncing them?

I agree! There are many white politicians that have made similar remarks, and have been branded racist by the dynamic duo of Jessie and Al, and were forced to resign. Now I personally find nothing offensive with Pres. Obama's statement, because I understand what he was saying, but had a white politician made the same statement his career would be over, and THAT, is what offends me! Explain to me when this double standard will end.

I am by no means calling for the resignation of the POTUS, just commenting on this DX's quote, nothing more.

[Edited 2010-10-28 05:40:06]
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:40 pm

If you mind me asking, where does Obama's comment bring race up? I read it as saying, basicly, Republicans can "shut up and put up with my policies". I don't understand how race is in the equation here...
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:44 pm

Just a pity there is not a parallel US run by Reps for comparison. Could be very instructive. Tell me, Dxing, have you ever looked at the rate of shedding jobs for the first few months of this recession, that is when under the command of Bush - he was a Republican if you cast yr mind back?

30s revisited


Just to be clear, the 10 month mark for this disaster is about Dec 2008.

Anything less than total disaster is a bloody miracle and actually Bush did try and improve matters after snoozing away while the disaster developed. So don't say I do not give credit to Reps where due. Would make a change if .....

[Edited 2010-10-28 06:21:20]

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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:51 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 4):
If you mind me asking, where does Obama's comment bring race up? I read it as saying, basicly, Republicans can "shut up and put up with my policies". I don't understand how race is in the equation here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Parks

In Montgomery, the first four rows of bus seats were reserved for white people. Buses had "colored" sections for black people—who made up more than 75% of the bus system's riders—generally in the rear of the bus. These sections were not fixed in size but were determined by the placement of a movable sign. Black people could sit in the middle rows, until the white section was full. Then they had to move to seats in the rear, stand, or, if there was no room, leave the bus. Black people were not allowed to sit across the aisle from white people. The driver also could move the "colored" section sign, or remove it altogether. If white people were already sitting in the front, black people could board to pay the fare, but then had to disembark and reenter through the rear door. There were times when the bus departed before the black customers who had paid made it to the back entrance.

For years, the black community had complained that the situation was unfair, and Parks was no exception: "My resisting being mistreated on the bus did not begin with that particular arrest...I did a lot of walking in Montgomery."[14] Parks had her first run-in on the public bus on a rainy day in 1943, when the bus driver, James F. Blake, demanded that she get off the bus and reenter through the back door. As she began to exit by the front door, she dropped her purse. Parks sat down for a moment in a seat for white passengers to pick up her purse. The bus driver was enraged and barely let her step off the bus before speeding off.

The Majority of Black Americans vote Dem.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:54 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 6):
In Montgomery, the first four rows of bus seats were reserved for white people. Buses had "colored" sections for black people—who made up more than 75% of the bus system's riders—generally in the rear of the bus. These sections were not fixed in size but were determined by the placement of a movable sign. Black people could sit in the middle rows, until the white section was full. Then they had to move to seats in the rear, stand, or, if there was no room, leave the bus. Black people were not allowed to sit across the aisle from white people. The driver also could move the "colored" section sign, or remove it altogether. If white people were already sitting in the front, black people could board to pay the fare, but then had to disembark and reenter through the rear door. There were times when the bus departed before the black customers who had paid made it to the back entrance.

For years, the black community had complained that the situation was unfair, and Parks was no exception: "My resisting being mistreated on the bus did not begin with that particular arrest...I did a lot of walking in Montgomery."[14] Parks had her first run-in on the public bus on a rainy day in 1943, when the bus driver, James F. Blake, demanded that she get off the bus and reenter through the back door. As she began to exit by the front door, she dropped her purse. Parks sat down for a moment in a seat for white passengers to pick up her purse. The bus driver was enraged and barely let her step off the bus before speeding off.

The Majority of Black Americans vote Dem.

Do you really think he was referring to this? The phrase "backseat" is common, and not racist. I think people saying he was referring to the Rosanna Parks incident and the laws at that time is plain silly.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:59 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 4):
If you mind me asking, where does Obama's comment bring race up? I read it as saying, basicly, Republicans can "shut up and put up with my policies". I don't understand how race is in the equation here...

Before the 1960's many states (mostly Southern) by law required blacks to sit in the BACK of buses, and many other idiocies that were lumped under the term Jim Crow laws. Look up Rosa Parks, there's mountains of information about it, that should be a good starting point. So, the opener is right, the race pimps would have been all over a white person saying that, claiming they think we should go back to Segregation blah blah blah. It's one of the unfortunate realities of American politics, and it has happened over and over again.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
I've been amazed at how much some Republicans love to play the "victimised" card because they aren't in power.

Standard lines from the minority party. We were hearing the same horsesqueeze from the Democrats before 2006.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
Obama has done extremely little to actually get you annoyed,

THAT depends on your political views. Personally, I think that promising the American people the moon when you know you cannot deliver it is grounds for extreme annoyance...The HOPEY/CHANGEY foolishness was annoying from the start. Why so many people managed to fall for it is beyond me. I would say that's confirmation that Americans are indeed stupid, but then I think back to those rock concerts in Germany Obama went to during his campaign...the Germans must be pretty stupid as well.   
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:44 pm

OK after looking up the comment, in context, it turns out he was referring to Al Franken's earlier remarks that the Democrats were pulling the car (economy) out of a ditch and the Republicans were doing nothing to help.

So... a bit of context clears that one up.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:29 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 13):
a bit of context clears that one up.

Context only matters when a right-winger uses a metaphor. Otherwise, every single Democrat is a racist and socialist at heart.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
I've been amazed at how much some Republicans love to play the "victimised" card because they aren't in power.

This is a perfect way of explaining things! I have been trying to point this out since 2006 when Dems regained control of the House.

BTW, for all the right-wingers out there: How's that socialism working out for you? Remember how right-wingers all ran around screaming the Constitution would be suspended and we would be a socialist country? When, exactly, did that happen?
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:47 pm

More divisive politics from the community agitator. Sure am glad we voted in a failed lawyer/law professor with no experience as our president. Hope...Change....And Michelle just says we have to give "it" more time...LOL
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:05 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):

So all Republicans are Fuckwits, because they do not believe in the same Socialistic ideals, as a non-US Citizen?

If you still believe Obama is a socialist who wasn't born in this country, maybe...

Quoting windy95 (Reply 16):
Hope...Change....And Michelle just says we have to give "it" more time...LOL

You could try giving him at least his full term before you judge how "terrible" he's been. Bush-bashing didn't begin in earnest until the 2004 election either.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:06 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
He is getting flamed from all over the place,

For good reason he lied out of every side of his mouth to get elected and now we are in a bigger mess than before. The people know it and are about to hand him a huge defeat. Is FOX making too much out of this? Of course but it's the stretch run and both sides are going to do some really nasty stuff now till Tues.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 16):
More divisive politics from the community agitator. Sure am glad we voted in a failed lawyer/law professor with no experience as our president. Hope...Change....And Michelle just says we have to give "it" more time...LOL

LOL yea. First time in her adult life she was proud of her country, Well this Tuesday will be the first time a lot of us have been proud since he got elected.
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Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:12 pm

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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:07 pm

Quoting san747 (Reply 12):
Bush-bashing didn't begin in earnest until the 2004 election either.

To be fair, Bush would have started getting bashed a lot sooner if not for his post-9/11 honeymoon period.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:19 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):


Now if a white politician had said this how many seconds would it have taken Rev. Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton to hit the airwaves and start denouncing them?

That's a reach. Oh, I agree Jackson and Sharpton --windbags that they are-- would have jumped all over it, but that doesn't mean that we should listen to it.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:16 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
Obama has done extremely little to actually get you annoyed,

Obama care? Stimulus? Cap and Trade? That's only a start.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 4):

If you mind me asking, where does Obama's comment bring race up?

It doesn't. But the comment, in this country reflects what has been pointed out to you, namely that blacks were forced to sit in the back of the bus if they wanted to ride in the old south. Had a white politician used the same metaphor all hell would have broken loose on the left.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Just a pity there is not a parallel US run by Reps for comparison. Could be very instructive. Tell me, Dxing, have you ever looked at the rate of shedding jobs for the first few months of this recession, that is when under the command of Bush - he was a Republican if you cast yr mind back?

Strange that they don't reference the recession in the Reagan years. Job loss was even greater, interest rates were higher, and the housing industry actually took a harder hit than it did in 2008. No spending spree, tax cuts and using financial policy to help the private sector recover. That recession started in July 1981 and ended around the mid-term elections of 1982. That began one of the longest peace time expansions in our country's history. Don't think we'll get the same this time around. You can blame President Bush all you wish, but if you want to blame him for the recession happening then you need to place blame for the failure of the recovery on President Obama.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 10):
Context only matters when a right-winger uses a metaphor. Otherwise, every single Democrat is a racist and socialist at heart.

Oh    you know full well if Sen. McConnell or Rep. Boehner had said the same thing the left leaning media would have gone into overdrive charging that they had used a racial slur.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 10):
When, exactly, did that happen?

The day Obama Care passed.

Quoting san747 (Reply 12):
You could try giving him at least his full term before you judge how "terrible" he's been. Bush-bashing didn't begin in earnest until the 2004 election either.

   Do the phrases "selected not elected", "chimp in chief", etc. etc. What beach front property in Arizona do you have up for sale this week?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
That's a reach. Oh, I agree Jackson and Sharpton --windbags that they are-- would have jumped all over it, but that doesn't mean that we should listen to it.

They would have only been the start. It would have made front page news on the NYT and Washington Post and snowballed from there.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:36 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Well this Tuesday will be the first time a lot of us have been proud since he got elected.

Gee that's nice. I still won't be proud. I've only been back in the states three months and I'm already at my wits' end with the rancor, rudeness, and utter lack of respect that currently permeates daily American life. And this is only in paradise - can't imagine back on the mainland. Just this last weekend my wife and I saw a group of teenagers laughing no more than three feet from a homeless man coughing up blood all over the sidewalk. Just couldn't give a damn.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:51 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
Talk about Fox News Radio talking points man.

  

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
Obama has every right to be tired of trying to play ball with the Republicans, when they have no interest in meeting half-way on anything. Many Democrats are actually annoyed that he has tried to hard to accommodate both sides on many debates when he could have been more direct.

Indeed that's one of my biggest complaints about Obama. When you see that the other party has tried to give you the boot since election night and wants nothing to do with you, tell them to go to hell and move on. Obama should have done that a long time ago.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
I've been amazed at how much some Republicans love to play the "victimised" card because they aren't in power.

   But God forbid a minority speak about an instance of legitimate racism or bigotry, these same Republicans are the first to jump down their throats and tell them to stop playing the part of the victim.

Quoting san747 (Reply 12):
You could try giving him at least his full term before you judge how "terrible" he's been. Bush-bashing didn't begin in earnest until the 2004 election either.

Indeed.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 18):
Gee that's nice.

Did you honestly expect anything else?
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:55 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 1):
It's election time. He is getting flamed from all over the place, he has a right to flame back.


Flaming is the least he deserves...impeachment would be more suitable...The man is NOT worthy of the throne and we are NOT his servants, technically he is a public servant and is in fact working for us and being payed by us, the American people. If we differ with his agenda as we do we have every right to hold a flame to his butt. If he doesn't like the ride he can get off.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:14 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 20):
impeachment would be more suitable

Please humor us and provide examples of impeachable offenses committed by President Obama.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:07 am

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 7):
Do you really think he was referring to this? The phrase "backseat" is common, and not racist.

Of course he wasn't referring to it. But it's still not a great choice of words.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Well this Tuesday will be the first time a lot of us have been proud since he got elected.

What fairweather patriotism.  

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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:47 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):

Please humor us and provide examples of impeachable offenses committed by President Obama.

He's not a Republican. He went to an Ivy League school. He believes that as members of a society, we should be concerned with the quality of life of ALL Americans, not just ourselves.

In today's America, that is blasphemy.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:02 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 17):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Just a pity there is not a parallel US run by Reps for comparison. Could be very instructive. Tell me, Dxing, have you ever looked at the rate of shedding jobs for the first few months of this recession, that is when under the command of Bush - he was a Republican if you cast yr mind back?

Strange that they don't reference the recession in the Reagan years. Job loss was even greater, interest rates were higher, and the housing industry actually took a harder hit than it did in 2008. No spending spree, tax cuts and using financial policy to help the private sector recover. That recession started in July 1981 and ended around the mid-term elections of 1982. That began one of the longest peace time expansions in our country's history. Don't think we'll get the same this time around. You can blame President Bush all you wish, but if you want to blame him for the recession happening then you need to place blame for the failure of the recovery on President Obama.

As Doulgoid would have said, "So's yer mother" is no kind of argument.

Re the recovery, I suppose you checked on the time when recoveries became apparent in those two earlier recessions? Noting that the current one seems at least twice as deep as those two, a recovery time greater than that noted for those might be expected??????
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:07 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 24):
I suppose you checked on the time when recoveries became apparent in those two earlier recessions? Noting that the current one seems at least twice as deep as those two, a recovery time greater than that noted for those might be expected??????

Which is why I point to the recession most like the one we are just coming out of, namely the 1981-1983 recession. Just as deep, just as long, much stronger recovery. But of course that doesn't play the way you like so you'll just ignore it.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:18 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 18):
Gee that's nice. I still won't be proud. I've only been back in the states three months and I'm already at my wits' end with the rancor, rudeness, and utter lack of respect that currently permeates daily American life. And this is only in paradise - can't imagine back on the mainland. Just this last weekend my wife and I saw a group of teenagers laughing no more than three feet from a homeless man coughing up blood all over the sidewalk. Just couldn't give a damn.

If it's a choice between this and slaughering whales I think I would chose laughing at a homeless man.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:33 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 25):

Which is why I point to the recession most like the one we are just coming out of, namely the 1981-1983 recession. Just as deep, just as long, much stronger recovery. But of course that doesn't play the way you like so you'll just ignore it.

No preferences at all, just it did not happen to be on the graph I had. So I look forward to being educated by your posting a comparison graph with the recession you favour. And please DO compare it with the present one to date.

I guess we will presume if you do not post it, that somehow it did not play the way you wanted.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:22 am

Quoting windy95 (Reply 11):
Sure am glad we voted in a failed lawyer/law professor with no experience as our president.

How did he fail at being a law professor?
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:54 am

Quoting cws818 (Reply 28):
How did he fail at being a law professor?

Cannot answer that cws as student assessmnents of the average law prof do not rate the same publicity as failing oil companies:

http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html

The business record of George W. Bush holds some revealing insights to how his presidency has operated, and helps to explain why the country has fallen so deeply in debt and has so many other problems.

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Dean believes Mr. Bush took advantage of his insider information when he sold his Harken stock in 1990, but he escaped SEC penalties because his father was president and many of the investigating officials had Bush family ties and other conflicts of interest. Many of the facts about the Harken deal remain buried and Bush has stonewalled all efforts to find out more. [/i]
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:10 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 29):
The business record of George W. Bush holds some revealing insights to how his presidency has operated, and helps to explain why the country has fallen so deeply in debt and has so many other problems.

I understand you have a deep-seeded hatred for former Pres. GW Bush, but he has been out of office for almost 2 yrs, so why do we have to keep bringing him up, he can't hurt you anymore? Can we move on now?   
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:15 am

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 30):
I understand you have a deep-seeded hatred for former Pres. GW Bush, but he has been out of office for almost 2 yrs,

Disgusting how democrats keep blaming Obamas failing on Bush. Bush has been gone for 20 whole months you elitists, obviously any decision he made or policy he implemented is long gone and no longer affecting the country.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:45 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 26):

If it's a choice between this and slaughering whales I think I would chose laughing at a homeless man.

Missed the point entirely. How utterly typical.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:57 am

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 30):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 29):
The business record of George W. Bush holds some revealing insights to how his presidency has operated, and helps to explain why the country has fallen so deeply in debt and has so many other problems.

I understand you have a deep-seeded hatred for former Pres. GW Bush, but he has been out of office for almost 2 yrs, so why do we have to keep bringing him up, he can't hurt you anymore?

Deep seeded, so that is where all those bloody weeds keep coming from.   Just as long as I don't get an attack of either tumble-weed or locoweed, I could not stand the high selenium for the latter, although it might be good for dandruff.

Nothing to do with hate, but just a dispassionate observation if anyone wants to judge failure, there was a clear record for George W before he took office whereas there does not seem to be such clarity of failure at any of his endeavours for Obama. Indeed, many have spoken in laudatory terms of his writing abilities.

I would argue it was not I who "brought him up" but it was those claiming Obama was a failed law professor who invited a comparison. Which turns out to be a tad unfavourable I would think.  
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:13 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 33):
Deep seeded, so that is where all those bloody weeds keep coming from.

yeah right, I know , I am from the south and we say seeded, rather seated. But in addressing this I feel it applies more to your core, than your stance.
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:23 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Please humor us and provide examples of impeachable offenses committed by President Obama.


While technically he may not have committed impeachable offenses however, if the general consensus of his performance as the commander and chief must be outlined to you...respectfully, I digress...not worth the time.
But the day he leaves office hope he takes Nancy Pelosi with him. Only then will we have something to discuss.
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:31 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
So I look forward to being educated by your posting a comparison graph with the recession you favour. And please DO compare it with the present one to date.

The chart is in the link and shows all recessions from 1974 on.

http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time....g-this-recession-to-the-last-five/


There is also a link within a that link that shows that the 1957 recesssion had a faster and greater drop off in jobs as well as a faster recovery.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
I guess we will presume if you do not post it, that somehow it did not play the way you wanted.

Nope, I don't try and embellish or hide facts.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:32 pm

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 35):
While technically he may not have committed impeachable offenses

Then impeachment is not suitable. End of argument.

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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:46 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 36):
The chart is in the link and shows all recessions from 1974 on.

http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time....g-this-recession-to-the-last-five/


There is also a link within a that link that shows that the 1957 recession had a faster and greater drop off in jobs as well as a faster recovery.

Interesting, why did he stop updating on Monday, February 9, 2009 at 11:05 am?? By my reckoning we would know with an extra 19 months a lot more about how it was going against other recessions.

Whatever it is a bad recession and when you allow that over a trillion dollars have been thrown at it, arguably it much worse than the others - no?

Any better offers? Your bailiwick. Surely someone has plotted it, or it is not beyond the wit of anyone with a spreadsheet program to do so????
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:49 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 37):

As stated...it is not worth discussing at this juncture...
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:05 pm

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 35):
While technically he may not have committed impeachable offenses however, if the general consensus of his performance as the commander and chief must be outlined to you...respectfully, I digress...not worth the time.
But the day he leaves office hope he takes Nancy Pelosi with him. Only then will we have something to discuss.

  Brilliant. That's one of the best back-tracking moves I've seen in a while. So let's get this straight - you want him impeached because you don't like him? Now there's a constructive debate  

What about the millions of people who are well aware of his "performance" and are entirely happy with it, never mind considering impeachment?
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:21 pm

You could also try a number of other sites.

http://www.voxeu.org/sites/default/files/image/un-duration1.gif

This rather suggests the 1980-81 rates of increase and the increase in duration were both far less marked than for the current mess.

Not surprised you did not post

http://thecmereport.wordpress.com/20...14/us-unemployment-becomes-sticky/

The gist of both charts is that the US economy is in uncharted territory with regards to the extent and severity of the fall in employment. In most previous recessions, unemployment had by this stage almost recovered from the job losses incurred during the recession.

So what is special about the 2007 recession? Why haven’t jobs recovered to the same extent as previous experience would lead us to expect?

This is a topic which we covered somewhat in a previous post, http://thecmereport.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/its-all-about-jobs/, but it’s worth revisiting in the light of the two charts above.

It’s interesting to note that of the 11 recessions covered in the charts, the four most recent recessions have experienced the slowest jobs recovery after the recession. Starting with 1981, then 1990, 2001 and 2007, the US economy has taken longer and longer to recover the jobs lost during the recession. We have already discussed that with regards to 2007, perhaps this is partly due to the collapse in property prices, which has sharply reduced the ability of unemployed Americans to relocate for work. But this doesn’t explain the gradual increase in the length of time for employment to return to its previous levels – there was no housing market collapse in 2001 for example.

So what other explanations could there be for this apparent trend for jobs recovery to be slower and slower? Rising levels of household debt over time? Demographics? Social Security? Monetary and fiscal policy blunders?


Both the charts in the second link show this recession is way way beyond the 1980-81 effort - not that I can actually work out which worm is that one, but it barely matters the present one is just as off-scale compared with the other ones as the graph I first suggested shows it. Cannot imagine why these guys cannot post the year on each of the curves, by the time you get 11 curves, different colours alone do not cut it.
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:21 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 38):
Interesting, why did he stop updating on Monday, February 9, 2009 at 11:05 am??

Perhaps because the article is in response to the chart you posted in reply 5 which was put out by the Speakers office on Feburary 6, 2009 as is shown in the lower right hand corner.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 38):
Whatever it is a bad recession and when you allow that over a trillion dollars have been thrown at it, arguably it much worse than the others - no?

The recession itself was not worse, the recovery effort has been. Of the 787 billion dollars included in the bill 37% were tax cuts/credits aimed at helping small businesses and individuals. On the individual level namely in the area of unemployment insurance, COBRA health care payments, and help for seniors that saw no COLA increase in their SS checks. There was money for first time home buying tax credits as well as credits for businesses if they fit very specific profiles. The program was sold as a jobs program to rebuild American infrastructure by using "shovel ready" jobs but in the end funding for infrastructure programs made up only 13% of the entire bill. As a jobs producer it has been an abject failure with charges of some people being counted multiple times as they were temporary workers let go and rehired as well as a convuluted mathmatical model for calculating just what counts as a person "hired" due to stimulus spending.
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:29 pm

Quoting star_world (Reply 40):
What about the millions of people who are well aware of his "performance" and are entirely happy with it


What about them?...Americans didn't ask for a changed America as in the sense of Obama's vision..they wanted the derailment by the former administrations to be realigned back on the rails. That is what the majority wants, to be more specific...to get jobs back, to trust our leaders again, to restore confidence, to restore the dynamics that were America...beyond that, don't know what to tell you. As far as the minority that are pleased with the actions of our current president...I truly am sorry
 
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Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:33 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
Please humor us and provide examples of impeachable offenses committed by President Obama.

Election fraud. Every candidate is supposed to know who their donors are. How does one raise ($600MM) triple the amount of the previous record off the backs of college kids and people who don't earn enough to pay taxes. He has refused to released his campaign finance records (along with about 25 other records). During the campaign his website turned off all the security features so anyone could donate. You could type in Mickey Mouse and you were able to give him the cash.

Quoting cws818 (Reply 28):
How did he fail at being a law professor?

Students who attended his classes said they mainly talked about basketball and cars. But what I fail to understand is how someone who has never written ANYTHING on Constitutional matters gets anointed a *Constitutional Scholar* More MSM hype for the ice cream scooper from Hawaii.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 34):
I am from the south and we say seeded

I'm from the North we say seeded too.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:34 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 42):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 38):
Interesting, why did he stop updating on Monday, February 9, 2009 at 11:05 am??

Perhaps because the article is in response to the chart you posted in reply 5 which was put out by the Speakers office on Feburary 6, 2009 as is shown in the lower right hand corner.

Oh, I see, so just one month into Obama's term the recession was solved so no need to follow it any further?? Or the Reps gave up at that point??? The possibilities seem infinite. Why not just look up some better graphs?
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:37 pm

Quoting dxing (Thread starter):
Now if a white politician had said this how many seconds would it have taken Rev. Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton to hit the airwaves and start denouncing them?

Yeah, tell me about it! The guy says things all the time that if a Republican, or white person said, they'd be annihilated and crucified for! Remember his speech in Philadelphia, in March 2008, when he made reference to "A typical white person?" Can you imagine the outrage if somebody like President Bush made reference to "a typical black person" The Democrats, the libs, and the media would go insane! Yet, Obama usually just gets a free pass.

So much for his speech at Notre Dame in the Spring of 2009 when he stated "“When we open up our hearts and our minds to those who may not think precisely like we do or believe precisely what we believe, that’s when we discover at least the possibility of common ground.” So far, all I see him as dismiss all opposition, often with arrogant and condescending, snide remarks.

I say let him keep at it. His approval ratings are worse now than Bush's were! A lot of those same people who had Obama mania prior to the election, the ones fainting and and getting weak at the knees just from being in the presence of the anointed one, are now admitting they're disgusted with themselves for voting the guy in, and they made a mistake. That's why, in five days Obama's going to get a reality check when America elects a Republican Congress back in. He can kiss Obamacare and most of his other "change" good-bye!

I guess his wife, who admitted herself, "she'd never been proud of her country" prior to the election, will soon have something else to not be proud of.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 4):
If you mind me asking, where does Obama's comment bring race up?




He's not specifically bringing it up, but everybody with any common sense can see the comparison to his words to the racial element it mocks. Simply put, if a Republican or white political were to use that kind of remark, they'd be accused of making an "insensitive" remark hinting at racism. Or accused of using a poor choice of words. Even if in reality they weren't, the opposition would try to use twist the remark into one of racism and intolerance. They always try to twist things like that out of context and use it against people for political gain.

Hypothetically, just imagine Bush was still in office. Making a speech on a controversial policy that a lot of Democrats opposed. Particularly the majority of the black population who votes Democrat. Imagine if he made reference to the opposition coming along, but sitting in the back of the bus! It's not hard to predict what the reaction would be.

Quoting san747 (Reply 12):
If you still believe Obama is a socialist who wasn't born in this country, maybe...



When he wants to tax the rich higher rates(those making over $250K per year. Hardly rich) who've worked hard and earned their money, to redistribute it to other social programs like welfare and national health insurance, yeah, I'd call that socialism. America is about Capitalism and opportunity. If you go to school, work your but off, succeed in life, and open businesses and create jobs for people, when the government comes in and decides it's going to reach into your pocket and take your hard earned money because you earn "too much" or "more than you need" and it could be redistributed better else where. That's socialism.

As far as being born in this country. Who really knows? Nobody's seen a birth certificate to prove otherwise. Doesn't seem like it should be that hard to show one and settle the issue if there's nothing to hide. Maybe he could even come up with his college grades as well, since those seem to be hidden, too.




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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:46 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 41):
Both the charts in the second link show this recession is way way beyond the 1980-81 effort

Hardly. What they show is that the recovery is taking much longer. From your second link:

The gist of both charts is that the US economy is in uncharted territory with regards to the extent and severity of the fall in employment. In most previous recessions, unemployment had by this stage almost recovered from the job losses incurred during the recession

The simple facts are that during the 81-83 recession we had an unemployment rate that fell just as quickly and reached over 10% for several months before recovering. That was in the face of double digit inflation and a housing market that collapsed every bit as much as todays, not because people defaulted on their mortgage, but because no one could afford one with a double digit interest rate tied to it. You are trying to compare two different things, a recession, which the Presidents own offices says ended earlier this year, and recovery, of which there has been precious little of despite hundreds of billions being thrown at it. The comparison now should be in recovery efforts that have worked (83-84) versus those that have not (present) and what the difference in approaches were.
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:16 pm

Quoting cws818 (Reply 28):
How did he fail at being a law professor?

"He did not hold the title of Professor of Law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.

Source: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008...weet_obama_did_hold_the_title.html ;
 
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RE: President Obama, "they Gotta Sit In Back".

Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:26 pm

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 46):

When he wants to tax the rich higher rates(those making over $250K per year. Hardly rich) who've worked hard and earned their money, to redistribute it to other social programs like welfare and national health insurance, yeah, I'd call that socialism. America is about Capitalism and opportunity. If you go to school, work your but off, succeed in life, and open businesses and create jobs for people, when the government comes in and decides it's going to reach into your pocket and take your hard earned money because you earn "too much" or "more than you need" and it could be redistributed better else where. That's socialism.

As far as i understand it, the tax rates on those making over $250k per year would go back to the Clinton era rates, which i recall, werent too bad actually. I think u've drunk too much of the Fox News/Right Wing Kool-Aid my friend...

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