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Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:25 am

On Tuesday, November 2nd, in the USA we will be holding general elections for all members of the Congress, about 1/3rd of the Senate as well as a number of State governors and legislative members. While it is normal for some shift in the Congress and Senate with candidates of the party not of the President's winning more seats in those bodies in Presidential 'mid-term' elections, as in 1994, Republicans will most likely take a numerical majority in the Congress and possibly the Senate, much more that usual in 'mid-term' elections this election.

This election season has been marked with the rise of the 'Tea Party', a lot of anger as to the economy, the failure to really create jobs, many wanting massive reductions in all levels of government and taxes to be paid, the deficit, the controversial Health Care Reforms, all issues well discussed here and throughout the Internet, news programs and elsewhere. There is a horrible attitude, bordering to the racists as to our President. The Tea Party radicals I hope are properly restrained by moderates to prevent them from untold ruin they could cause with further affects on our economy. Worse is that many issues like our military actions in Iraq and Afganistan seem to be off the table of any discussions by canidates.

The continuing rise of control and more gains this year on the state level by Republicans is also critical as in many states. Usually the majority party, means they can control the structure of Congressional and state legislative districts, such redistricting done after this year's every decade US Census, thus maximising the number of Republican party districts and minimising the number of Democratic party districts. In California and NY State, as well as some other states, we see Governors up for elections, with a likely majority of those seats to be filled by Republicans.

Many candidates of both parties are very controversial (like in the Senate races in California, CT, Nevada). We have seen a huge increase in spending by the Corporations, their lobbyists and the rich mainly on Republicans which may distort the results, as well as many more that usual of low quality attack ads.

As usual, there are conterversial ballot questions most notably to legalize pot in Califorina to one in Missouri to reject the Federal Health care mandates.

As a Loyal Democrat, I am very afraid of what these elections will mean to working class people, that important regulations as to financial services and access to medical care to our environment will be decimated and 'pork' spending shifted to Republican districts and states from Democrats. Further, I expect the Democrats to fight with every tool to create gridlock rather than real and balanced reform. I think we will see Pres. Obama use his veto powers a lot more to force more balanced legislation.

Let the comments begin....
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:30 am

If every "loyal" Democrat and Republican were sent to an island and then nuked, a lot the the world's problems would be on the fast track of being solved.

Vote with your head. Ignore the lies and fear mongering. Vote moderate.

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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:54 am

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 1):
If every "loyal" Democrat and Republican were sent to an island and then nuked, a lot the the world's problems would be on the fast track of being solved.

Vote with your head. Ignore the lies and fear mongering. Vote moderate.




For the first time ever, I split my voting and didn't vote straight party Democrat.
For the first time ever, I voted for a Republican - Steve Cooley in the California Attorney General's race. I am no fan of him at all but the Democratic candidate (Kamala Harris) is the most repugnant, disgusting and disgraceful human being I've ever come across on a ballot.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:59 am

As voting is not compulsory in the US, I was wondering what is the % of voter turnout for elections ?

In Australia, everyone over 18 (Australian citizens) must vote on election day.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:46 am

In the old days of the West, when people were happy, they voted the nice guys for Sheriff. When trouble struck, however, they would hire the meanest gunslinger they could find.

Now times are very, very bad and we have recovered from the Economy with 10% unemployment. Nobody seems to know how to fix this, we're stuck between a rock and hard place.

This is why the gunslingers are having their day, and we are voting for people with whom we wouldn't normally associate.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:04 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
As voting is not compulsory in the US, I was wondering what is the % of voter turnout for elections ?

In Australia, everyone over 18 (Australian citizens) must vote on election day.

First of all, you have to register to vote and re-register every time you move. To vote, you must be eligable as to citizenship, age (minimum of 18) and do not have a felony criminal record. Many do not register to vote as in some states still and in many states at one time, voter lists were used to creat lists to select those to serve court jury duty. You also have a number of people registered to vote who have died or moved and never registered, thus the registered voter numbers may be actually less. Then you have those too lazy, too ignorant or uncaring to vote.

Among registered voters, usually it exceeds 60% in contested Presidential elections, especially if State elections (Governror, legistatures) are also contested. In other general elections, like on Tuesday here in the USA, the numbers will probably be less than 50%.When no national canidates are up for elections, then it may slip to less than 40%. Then if you factor in those elilgable to vote but are not registered, then the numbers could actually be 10% or more off, then in a Presidental election, less than 50% of eligable persons vote. We also believe that a person should not be compelled to vote by law, or face a penalty to not do so.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:31 am

As the Financial Times story from last week mentioned, this election is very much a referendum on Obama.

He came in as a rock star with one glamorous promise after another, and now much of the middle that voted for him and formed part of his base have been disenfranchised realizing they made a mistake in falling for the hype.

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
Further, I expect the Democrats to fight with every tool to create gridlock rather than real and balanced reform. I think we will see Pres. Obama use his veto powers a lot more to force more balanced legislation.

Good let the Democrats flight and create gridlock. They are only hurting their own President by doing so, making him an even more lame duck for the next two years.

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
As a Loyal Democrat, I am very afraid of what these elections will mean to working class people, that important regulations as to financial services and access to medical care to our environment will be decimated and 'pork' spending shifted to Republican districts and states from Democrats.

Pork? The biggest pork in American history was the health care legislation forcing every man, woman and child to buy a policy as the insurance industry stood by with a huge the smile on their faces.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:35 am

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
As a Loyal Democrat, I am very afraid of what these elections will mean to working class people, that important regulations as to financial services and access to medical care to our environment will be decimated and 'pork' spending shifted to Republican districts and states from Democrats. Further, I expect the Democrats to fight with every tool to create gridlock rather than real and balanced reform. I think we will see Pres. Obama use his veto powers a lot more to force more balanced legislation.


Why would you be "afraid" of what these elections will do, you have no faith in the American system?

I knew the current administration was going to be disastrous for the country long before their election. But I was not "afraid" because I trust the the system set up by some real smart men about 235 years ago and that the country will always correct its mistakes.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
As voting is not compulsory in the US, I was wondering what is the % of voter turnout for elections?


Off year election maybe 40%.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
In Australia, everyone over 18 (Australian citizens) must vote on election day.


Why? In The United States were are free to vote but not required! Seems like requiring someone to vote cheapens the voting process.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:42 am

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
As a Loyal Democrat, I am very afraid of what these elections will mean to working class people,

If the Cap & Trade bill passed, it would have really hurt working class people by skyrocketing energy cost. Both parties have turned their back on the working class.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:54 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 5):
First of all, you have to register to vote and re-register every time you move.

Thanks for the info lbtewr
 
Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
Why? In The United States were are free to vote but not required! Seems like requiring someone to vote cheapens the voting process.

Quit the contrary really.

If everyone has to vote, it can be argued that the outcome of the election is 100% true as ALL citizens have participated, not just those that "could be bothered to vote". which is generally, only a small % of the population.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:07 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
If everyone has to vote, it can be argued that the outcome of the election is 100% true as ALL citizens have participated, not just those that "could be bothered to vote". which is generally, only a small % of the population.

I've gone back and forth with opinions of this subject, however after living in countries were voting was mandatory, I'm now of the mind that its best to have voting be a voluntary venture.

In places were voting was mandatory I've seen basic wholesale apathy with people simply throwing their votes at anyone or any subject without awareness or care. Additionally I have seen what has been media and government bullying in support of specific candidates of topics which hardly is free and fair election.
Atleast in the US system, if you care and feel compassionate enough to get involved, or if you simply don't care its your choice either way. To me the freedom to chose to participate or not is the best path.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:23 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
In places were voting was mandatory I've seen basic wholesale apathy with people simply throwing their votes at anyone or any subject without awareness or care. Additionally I have seen what has been media and government bullying in support of specific candidates of topics which hardly is free and fair election.
Atleast in the US system, if you care and feel compassionate enough to get involved, or if you simply don't care its your choice either way. To me the freedom to chose to participate or not is the best path.



I don't have a problem with mandatory voting as long as 'none of the above' is an option.
'None of the above' is an option in Nevada.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:53 am

I only vote in presidential elections since voting against Chucky and his puppet is a total waste of time here in NY The libs in the city can't be overcome by us out in the sticks. I can't wait to buy the biggest hoagie and sit in front of the TV and watch Rachel and Ed cry.

I want to see Alan Grayson lose.

Reid, Boxer and Murray lose too.

I think barring a miracle the GOP will take the house easily. I don't think they will take 60 seats but 50 seems right. They can't take the senate thanks to the good witch but I think Angle wins. Carly has a chance but the GOP will probably pick up 4 to 7 seats.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:00 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
voting against Chucky and his puppet is a total waste of time here in NY The libs in the city can't be overcome by us out in the sticks.



"his puppet"?
Did you know that Kirsten Gillibrand belongs to the NRA and has been a long-time gun advocate? The liberals in New York city can't stand her. She is hardly a pupet of Schumer.
You should vote for her.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Reid, Boxer and Murray lose too.


I see Boxer and Murray winning. I'm hoping that Reid can win this.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:09 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
She is hardly a pupet of Schumer.
You should vote for her.

Come on she votes the way Schumer tells her. Who cares about her gun fetish? That is a state deal not national. She is a Lib.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
I see Boxer and Murray winning. I'm hoping that Reid can win this.

Both are in very tight races in fact I actually think Murray is in more trouble than Boxer. Though Carly can win if turn out is extremely high for the CRP.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:13 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Who cares about her gun fetish? That is a state deal not national. She is a Lib.

I thought you liked guns?
When gun issues come to a vote in the Senate, she sides with the Constitution.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Though Carly can win if turn out is extremely high for the CRP.

c-reactive protein?   
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:20 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
I thought you liked guns?
When gun issues come to a vote in the Senate, she sides with the Constitution.

I love guns but #1 the gun laws in NY are a state vote not national and they are never going to change. I don't know what vote in the National Senate about guns your talking about. Each state votes it's own gun laws. She is a Lib puppet!

Didn't she vote for Obamacare and the rest? Yep she really thinks for herself.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):

c-reactive protein?

LOL no California Republicans! LOL
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:23 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
In Australia, everyone over 18 (Australian citizens) must vote on election day.

Wow, another forum member told me over and over that that was simply not true.

GOP takes control of the House but not the Senate. Gridlock ensues as no matter what the House passes it gets locked up in the Senate and goes no where. That will end the "party of no" bs anyway. As all appropriations must originate in the House as per the Constitution at some point you are going to see a federal government shut down. The favorability rating of the Congress will go even lower than it is, down into the single digits. Perhaps the silver lining is that Pelosi and a few others will not want to be in the minority again and will most likely retire before their terms expire in 2012. And that will end the "quitter" bs as well.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:28 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Pork? The biggest pork in American history was the health care legislation forcing every man, woman and child to buy a policy as the insurance industry stood by with a huge the smile on their faces.

Probably from knowing that the Republicans had helped them out once again, by bitching and moaning and whining for months that Obama should listen to them. And then of course turn around and vote against it, so they could go home to the base and proclaim victory over the 'evil dumbocrats'.

The health care act ended up being so dilluted, I don't know why Obama even bothered in the end. I guess it says something about his 'socialist' tendencies, that even the conservatives in Denmark (you know, the socialist welfare state paradise) thought it was a bit lackluster.

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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:37 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
Why? In The United States were are free to vote but not required! Seems like requiring someone to vote cheapens the voting process.


Compulsory "voting" was introduced in Australia by the conservatives because they thought that it would put a break on the Labor Party. At the time the conservatives (Liberal/ Country Party - now National Party) believed that people who didn't vote were more likely to be "conservative" than "radical". It didn't work out that way. The change was introduced by the Electoral Act and it is not written into the Constitution Act, so it could be changed without the need for a referendum.

The actual position is that you must attend at a polling place and be given a ballot paper. What you do with it is up to you, but you can't remove it from the ballot place. You can rip it up, write poetry on it, or even number all candidates the same. It will than be regarded as an "informal vote" and not included in the count. There is provision for people who will be absent on polling day, including postal and early voting. An exemption can be sought by people who will not be in Australia and who will not be able to attend to vote at an Australian Embassy or Consulate.

Funnily enough, one Liberal candidate in an election in WA argued for scrapping compulsory voting because, she said, "it brings out the scum." Not surprisingly she wasn't elected.


Edited to add info on absent voters.

[Edited 2010-11-01 01:04:25]
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:48 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
I love guns but #1 the gun laws in NY are a state vote not national and they are never going to change. I don't know what vote in the National Senate about guns your talking about. Each state votes it's own gun laws. She is a Lib puppet!

Didn't she vote for Obamacare and the rest? Yep she really thinks for herself.



I was speaking in general. Yes there were no gun votes within her short period in the Senate.
New York is a liberal state so of course you will get a liberal Senator.
What do you think of Carl Paladino and his dog?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
LOL no California Republicans! LOL


Barbara Boxer has this one in the bag.
I just hope enough Republicans show up to help Steve Cooley win the Attorney General's race.
There are plenty of liberals from San Francisco like myself that HATE Kamala Harris!
Steve Cooley does well with independents and is doing well among Democrats in Los Angeles.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:39 am

I'm really hoping to see Chris Coons take his office tomorrow ( I voted for him a couple weeks ago by absentee ballot).. Ms. O'Donnel is too all over the place for me. Usually I stick to party lines since I usually agree with them, but this time not so much.

On a totally unrelated note, what is the point of a county sheriff is the sheriff really doesn't have much policing authority. They "serve papers for the courts and holds Sheriff's sales for non-payment of taxes, mortgage foreclosures plus all other court orders.". Couldn't this be carried out by the State Police and not have an election for a redundant position? Seems like government overlap to me.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:41 pm

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 21):
On a totally unrelated note, what is the point of a county sheriff is the sheriff really doesn't have much policing authority


That sort of depends on different areas of the country. Some areas the county-sheriff is the predominate player in law enforcement others it is the local townships/cities.There seems to be little rhyme or reason why that one or the other has propagated in some areas. Just suspect it has to do with source of funding such as city sales taxes vs county property taxes. In anycase in my area anything that gets above a misdemeanor goes through the county for prosecution whether investigated by city, county or state.

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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:59 pm

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 21):
On a totally unrelated note, what is the point of a county sheriff is the sheriff really doesn't have much policing authority. They "serve papers for the courts and holds Sheriff's sales for non-payment of taxes, mortgage foreclosures plus all other court orders.". Couldn't this be carried out by the State Police and not have an election for a redundant position? Seems like government overlap to me.

Where you the one who shot the sheriff?  Wow!
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:15 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
Corporations, their lobbyists and the rich mainly on Republicans which may distort the results, as well as many more that usual of low quality attack ads.



I will say that your opening post is well written ... one little problem is the statement above. The Democrats actually received more corporate money than the GOP ... and add to that the huge Union payments. The Dems spent approx 300 million more than the GOP. And I don't care ... but to slant is to the angle that the GOP is on the side of big corporations is wrong. GE / Citi / BOA/Goldman / GM are all firmly in the Democrats camp and they know to keep the governemnt payment vein open they need Democrats.

If this is the "Tsunami" many say ...it will also be a referendum on campaign spending. The Dems and there contributors have pulled out all the stops attempting to ward off another 94 ...if that fails it will change things.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:28 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
What do you think of Carl Paladino and his dog?

In the beginning I liked him especially when he threatened that reporter but he showed his true colors with his anti gay rhetoric. Did he ever have a chance against Cuomo? Maybe but Cuumo is actually a Dem I would vote for. He will do good for NY. At this point he wins going away.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
Barbara Boxer has this one in the bag

Not even close! You see the latest polls. Boxer is going to sweat this one and she may lose.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
I just hope enough Republicans show up to help Steve Cooley win the Attorney General's race.
There are plenty of liberals from San Francisco like myself that HATE Kamala Harris!
Steve Cooley does well with independents and is doing well among Democrats in Los Angeles.

Yes she is bad!
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:38 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
for all members of the Congress, about 1/3rd of the Senate

Just FYI, and it worries me how many people I have come across who don't seem to know this, but it's the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and the Senate...and combined, they make up the whole CONGRESS. So, it's not true that all members of Congress are up for elections...all members of the House are up for election, and about 1/3rd of the Senate. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but that does make the rest of your post look a bit less credible than it normally would...but I will cast that aside.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 1):
If every "loyal" Democrat and Republican were sent to an island and then nuked, a lot the the world's problems would be on the fast track of being solved.

  

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 1):
Vote with your head. Ignore the lies and fear mongering. Vote moderate.

I am normally 50/50 on D and R with my ballot...this year, however, is the first time I am voting 3rd party, and for two candidates at that! Other than those two, the rest of my ballot is more or less 50/50 after hours of research on all candidates on my ballot.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I don't have a problem with mandatory voting as long as 'none of the above' is an option.
'None of the above' is an option in Nevada.

I wish it was in Kansas. I hate our governors race so much that I refuse to vote for any of the 4 candidates.

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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:41 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 25):
Not even close! You see the latest polls. Boxer is going to sweat this one and she may lose.

Hmmm....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._senate_boxer_vs_fiorina-1094.html


It's always a close race for Boxer but she always wins.
I remember in 1998 when Matt Fong was leading Boxer by 10 points just 1 week before the election and he ended up losing by 10 points a week later.
Polls were close in 2004 with Bill Jones and then he was smashed by double-digits.
Fiorina is going to lose.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 25):
Yes she is bad!

Kamala Harris is worse than bad.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:21 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):

For the first time ever, I split my voting and didn't vote straight party Democrat.
For the first time ever, I voted for a Republican - Steve Cooley in the California Attorney General's race. I am no fan of him at all but the Democratic candidate (Kamala Harris) is the most repugnant, disgusting and disgraceful human being I've ever come across on a ballot.

This was my first election I did not vote straight Democrat as well! I also voted for Steve Cooley. I am all about voting for the issue, not for the party. I feel people just stick to things because "Oh, the Democrats are always right" or, "The Republicans are always right." Not enough people go by the issues; they just vote for their party.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:23 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 26):
I wish it was in Kansas. I hate our governors race so much that I refuse to vote for any of the 4 candidates.

I haven't paid enough attention to it, since I've been living in Florida, but I do think its sort of a dumb election this year. Look, I'm a Republican, but I've had no real issues with the last couple Democrat governors we've had in Kansas. Not sure it really matters who wins the election this year, honestly

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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:37 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 29):
Look, I'm a Republican, but I've had no real issues with the last couple Democrat governors we've had in Kansas

I am about as moderate as can be, and one thing is for sure...I do wish Mark Parkinson was running for re-election! I would vote for him over Holland, Brownback and the others any day.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:18 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
It's always a close race for Boxer but she always wins

She has never had this much of a challenge!
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:20 pm

We will finally see the end of Charlie "The Chameleon" Crist here in Florida. Good riddance. Next up will be Bill Nelosn.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:20 pm

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 21):

On a totally unrelated note, what is the point of a county sheriff is the sheriff really doesn't have much policing authority. They "serve papers for the courts and holds Sheriff's sales for non-payment of taxes, mortgage foreclosures plus all other court orders.". Couldn't this be carried out by the State Police and not have an election for a redundant position? Seems like government overlap to me.

In many places sheriff's deputies are the primary law enforcement authority once you leave a city's limits and enter the county. They usually have a huge area to patrol and do the same work that city or state police officers do. Also, sheriff's investigators help smaller departments out when they experience crimes that are a little too much for them. I remember about a year ago a small city near me had its entire police force disbanded because of apparent corruption, and sheriff's deputies were in charge of all law enforcement functions within the city for several months until the local department could be restarted.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:26 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 24):
GE / Citi / BOA/Goldman / GM are all firmly in the Democrats camp and they know to keep the governemnt payment vein open they need Democrats.

Correction - they need both parties.

The races in Hawaii are a mess - for Congress it's either Hanabusa or Djou, both of whom are complete losers. Djou wants to axe the entire public education system and do charter schools en masse, and wants to cut every level of the federal budget apparently unaware of the fact that federal jobs are roughly 1/3 of this state's employment thanks to the defense industry. Hanabusa is a typical Dem hack who circumvented the law while her brother took payouts from developers.
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sw733
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:35 pm

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 33):
In many places sheriff's deputies are the primary law enforcement authority once you leave a city's limits and enter the county. They usually have a huge area to patrol and do the same work that city or state police officers do.

In some places, and even some surprisingly large places, the Sheriff's office acts as THE local police force, as cities hire the Sheriff's department instead of maintaining their own police force. One big area that does this is the Palmdale/Lancaster area in northern Los Angeles County. Combined, Palmdale and Lancaster have around 300,000 people, but they both use LA County Sheriff (and Fire too) instead of having their own departments. In LA County, the Sheriff actually has quite a bit of power.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:44 pm

I'm going all "Red" this time in protest.I'm so angry with the Democrats and ID problem with Mexico's Cauldron and the standing ovation with SB1070 and picking on red state(AZ) that was only mirroring the federal law.

Tanking California with "tax and spend" hand out social programs for votes and chasing away the rich from this state.

Double PC standards.Unethical practices(Rangel,Robinson(TX) Walters..etc,etc...(That's with both parties.)But Democrats won't discipline themselves.

The war continues.

Go Red!
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:00 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 35):
In some places, and even some surprisingly large places, the Sheriff's office acts as THE local police force, as cities hire the Sheriff's department instead of maintaining their own police force.

Its called contract services.

LA County Sheriff (as does LA County Fire Department) provide services for cities on contract basis. For example in LA County the Sheriff case the department provides police services to 40 of the 88 independent cities that make up Los Angeles.
Its simply often easier and cheaper for cities to contract out such public safety services to other agencies than run them inhouse.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:28 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 34):
Correction - they need both parties.



Correct ... and that in my opinion is why the TEA party is attractive. The TEA party threatens the old established structure in DC ... it operates without lobbies and big spenders for the most part. The TEA party is the enemy of the GOP as much as it is the DEMS... both parties are in protection and change mode.

If by a stretch ... O'Donnell wins the Castle seat , the GOP will be on notice big time. If the DEM wins DE, it is just business as usual .. but if that seat goes to O'Donnell... man the GOP is going to have to look over their shoulder.
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sw733
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:33 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 38):

Correct ... and that in my opinion is why the TEA party is attractive. The TEA party threatens the old established structure in DC ... it operates without lobbies and big spenders for the most part. The TEA party is the enemy of the GOP as much as it is the DEMS... both parties are in protection and change mode.

Here are my thoughts, for what they are worth. I disagree with a decent chunk of what the Tea Party believes in, and none of the people I will vote for tomorrow are Tea Party candidates. That being said, it is very VERY refreshing to me to see the emergence of quasi-third parties in the USA. Another example - I have seen more Libertarians this year that, while unlikely to win, will pull down larger numbers than ever before.

The US is in desperate need of more serious political parties in my book, and this may be the start...maybe not, but it has a chance, and that excites me as someone who hates the current two parties and loves following politics.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:17 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
I don't think they will take 60 seats but 50 seems right.

The Republicans should have a major shift this year. With 39 seats required to take over the House it's reasonable to expect a shift of 60 to 70 seats this year.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
They can't take the senate thanks to the good witch but I think Angle wins.

Flip of the coin as to which is worse - the witch or the angle .

I'm not concerned if the Republicans take the Senate, but I prefer it be done with some rock solid candidates. The flakes brought to the Nov Election by the money behind the Tea Party do not bring any confidence for the country's future. Republicans do have better and should have put them up for election in November without having to write in their names.

For Oklahoma the importance of our vote is at the state and local levels. This state is so red that Obama could have pulled in 80% of the votes and it still would have sent Republicans to the Electoral College. The vote tomorrow for Representative and Senator in TUL is basically a rubber stamp.

The state level offices can be important for voters, as are the ballot issues, which are very important this year.

Overall my bet is a major win (60+ seats) for Republicans in the House. Republicans take the Senate with some of the flakes and the Tea Party pushes for the flakes to be considered important in the Senate. If enough Tea Party candidates win in the Senate then possibly "Botox" Mitchell gets demoted for DeMintt, who has been spreading a lot of campaign money around.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:12 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 35):
In some places, and even some surprisingly large places, the Sheriff's office acts as THE local police force, as cities hire the Sheriff's department instead of maintaining their own police force.

That is interesting. For all areas in the state outside of city limits, the State Police takes over all responsibility. It just seems that our county sheriff's office is just a waste of human resources and skill. Something that should be taken over by the Chancery Court or some other court system, if it's just serving papers on individuals regarding monetary issues.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:36 pm

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 41):
That is interesting. For all areas in the state outside of city limits, the State Police takes over all responsibility. It just seems that our county sheriff's office is just a waste of human resources and skill. Something that should be taken over by the Chancery Court or some other court system, if it's just serving papers on individuals regarding monetary issues.

State Police forces often aren't large enough to cover an entire state's law enforcement needs outside of cities. In North Carolina our highway patrol is a paramilitary organization tasked primarily with enforcing the laws on the state's roadways. They just don't have the time or resources to devote to rural policing, as their other tasks (speed/drug enforcement, accident response/investigation, traffic control, etc) keep them pretty tied up. Without Sheriff's departments a heck of a lot of people wouldn't have easy access to law enforcement when needed.
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:53 pm

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 42):
State Police forces often aren't large enough to cover an entire state's law enforcement needs outside of cities.

Well, I guess DE is unique being it only has 3 counties so I guess that's why.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:19 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 31):
She has never had this much of a challenge!

She's always had stiff challengers.
She beats them all the time and will do so again tomorrow.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 40):
Flip of the coin as to which is worse - the witch or the angle .

I'd much rather have Christine O'Donnell over Sharron Angle.
Sharron Angle is the Wicked Witch of the West.
Christine O'Donnell is a good witch.

Quoting Flybaurlax (Reply 28):
This was my first election I did not vote straight Democrat as well! I also voted for Steve Cooley.
Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 42):
State Police forces often aren't large enough to cover an entire state's law enforcement needs outside of cities. In North Carolina our highway patrol is a paramilitary organization tasked primarily with enforcing the laws on the state's roadways. They just don't have the time or resources to devote to rural policing, as their other tasks (speed/drug enforcement, accident response/investigation, traffic control, etc) keep them pretty tied up. Without Sheriff's departments a heck of a lot of people wouldn't have easy access to law enforcement when needed.

Isn't the County Sheriff meaner?
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:31 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I don't have a problem with mandatory voting as long as 'none of the above' is an option.

We have the option of a write-in candidate here in WA.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
I see Boxer and Murray winning. I'm hoping that Reid can win this

Boxer will probably win, unfortunately. Guess we'll have to keep calling her "Senator" and not "Ma'am" or B****H like what she really is.

For Murray, they'll keep recounting votes until she DOES win. Seattle needs to be renamed "Chicago-West"

As for Reid...I'm optimistic, but I think the people of Nevada are dumb enough to actually re-elect that moron. One can dream...
 
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:43 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 45):
For Murray, they'll keep recounting votes until she DOES win. Seattle needs to be renamed "Chicago-West"

Patty Murray is not a thug like Richard Daley.
She hasn't demolished any airports either.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:59 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
She's always had stiff challengers.
She beats them all the time and will do so again tomorrow.

Who else has polled this close? I think that race will go late.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 45):
For Murray, they'll keep recounting votes until she DOES win. Seattle needs to be renamed "Chicago-West"

That race has vote rigging written all over it but Murray loses.

Quoting N174UA (Reply 45):
As for Reid...I'm optimistic, but I think the people of Nevada are dumb enough to actually re-elect that moron. One can dream...

Nope she has it. Reid is so depised right now and she did great at the debate it's time for Reid to go.
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:16 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):
Who else has polled this close? I think that race will go late.

In 1998, Matt Fong lead Boxer by as much as 10 points within the final weeks of the election but she ended up coming from behind and winning by 10 points.
In 1992 when she was first elected. It was neck & neck the entire year with her and Bruce Herschenson.
Bill Jones polled close to her throughout 2004 but the Kerry/Edwards cottails in California swept her to a landslide victory.
She won the 3rd. most votes cast for a single candidate that year behind John Kerry and George W. Bush.
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Ken777
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RE: Nov. 2 USA Elections Thread

Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:25 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
Christine O'Donnell is a good witch.

O'Donnell fits the phrase that the "Republicans could get a Ham Sandwich elected this year".

And, based on my hard right polling station, there will be a large turnout today, which will help the Republicans, either the smart ones, or the ham sandwiches.
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