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Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:58 pm

Well folks, I've just returned from reading LTBEWR's epic election thread and I have a headache. It's like all the negative energy and mudslinging cast in both directions has reached new highs (lows?), and quite frankly, it's depressing. No one's convincing anyone of anything and people are only pissing each other off. To listen to some of the comments would have you believe that America is a land of backwater hillbilly webbed-feet halfbreeds, while Vladimir Lenin himself (with his commie/alien/poof entourage) has taken up residence at 1600 Pennsylvania.

Maybe that's fine for most of you, but for me, it's depressing. Maybe I'm weak, but I don't enjoy being called names, and don't believe differing ideologies can be broken down into such simplistic characteristics. It's easy, and even tempting, to reduce the argument into "you believe this? You must be stupid." I fall victim to it too. But we all know that's simply not the case. If it were that simple, well, there wouldn't be any debate at all.

So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

I have faith in the A.net crowd. NONE of us would be here save a common bond--the love of airplanes and air travel. We all have at least that in common. And I bet if you stuck all of us up on a hill overlooking an airport, we'd all get along--and probably like each other, to boot.

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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:00 pm

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

In a way it is. Should we have less name calling? Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:11 pm



And this has nothing to do with sanity, but it popped up on the GIS:
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:13 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

Theoretically, yes. However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.
 
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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:21 pm

Sex sells. So does screaming, but sanity doesn't.

It's quite intriguing to watch people tear each other apart over politics, yet at the same time slightly disconcerting.
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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:47 pm

It's important to be passionate about politics; I am passionate about my politics (even though politics in my country is extremely depressing). However, to my, passionate about politics means being passionate about the issues; once we allow ourselves to be distracted by personal issues or diverted into negative personal comments, it's a form of surrender; "you're a leftie, a commie lover, a gay sympathiser, or whatever else" does not lend anything to politics; we need to keep that in focus. No good will come of that. It won't make whatever political goals or aspirations (and here, I mean aspirations towards particular policies, rather than personal political aspirations) come any closer; if anything, lowering ourselves to personal attacks is a form of surrender; I can't think of anything in response to your comment about my idea, so I say, "you're fat/ugly/a hick" etc; very piquant and astute. Not.

I applaud this thread; I think it is important to recognise that we have differences, but we are bright, able and intelligent people; we should be able to share our ideas without resorting to offence.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
have faith in the A.net crowd. NONE of us would be here save a common bond--the love of airplanes and air travel.

Absolutely - and let's take that a little further: although I know a bit about aviation (after nearly 30 years of interest, I should!), but I know that there are people who know a lot more and I'm often amazed by the depth of knowledge; does the fact that people know more than me about my favourite subject lessen the fun and passion for me? Absolutely not; we share knowledge and gain knowledge; why should it be any different in this forum or thread?
 
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:07 pm

I have had a trying day today  ...I'm not even back in teh States...and I had to watch the Dems lose big  . It was one of those blah days. Didnt finish as much studying as I wanted to either  . The election thread on here didnt help either lol. I just get frustrated when people vote or believe in things or people that are against their interests. I think now we all need to take a chill pill and relax...and then fight another day, hehe. Im really sure if we all met in person, we'd be talking about planes the whole time  
 
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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:08 pm

I'm sick and tired of all the name calling good for nothing idiots that do nothing more than argue around here!

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

Sez who?   
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:16 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.

This is s message board not congress.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 7):
Sez who

You to have faith Kev!
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:18 pm

To a certain extent a forum which brings together a broad cross-section of people (all different from one another aside from sharing a passion for, in this case, aviation) will mirror what's going on in the outside world whatever happens.

As an outsider, the image I have of the United States is of a country which is becoming increasingly politically polarised, and so it's little surprise to me that this is reflected in the posting here. Also, I may be wrong here, but I've noticed, in the years I've been an active member here, a shift away from the global and towards a more US-centric board. I would suggest that these two factors have combined to result in the situation we have here now; the US-focused topics are more turbulent, and there's less to balance that out, either through the perspective of alternative viewpoints in those topics, or through the presence of non-US topics in non-aviation.

I have to say, despite the fact that I sometimes (often?) despair at the tendency of the British public to accept stoically whichever misfortune is laid upon them by actors on the political stage, that I'm glad that British politics hasn't got to this stage. It seems to me that the notion of consensus or common ground in the US is melting away, to the point at which I wonder whether opposing viewpoints are now found where there need be none, simply for the sake of avoiding the new political faux-pas of agreeing with the other side. In many ways I think it's a dangerous situation, as it could start (if it hasn't already) diffusing into life beyond the political scene; if people no longer find any common ground with each other, who's to say that communities won't start to break down?
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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:55 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.


There's a difference between airing out differences and shouting disingenuous insults and slurs past each other. I feel that the rhetoric both here on a.net and in the political atmosphere writ large has gone the latter route and I feel that this type of discourse is unsustainable.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:10 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):

Theoretically, yes. However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.

And furthermore, calling a President who is Left-Centrist in this country and Right-Centrist in most of Europe a "Marxist" and "Communist" and "Socialist" and accusing him of "attacking your freedoms" by, among other things, ensuring that people pay into their health insurance so that they don't steal medical services from hospitals and doctors when they get sick is hardly constructive.

But I'm quite happy about the election results. The GOP didn't, in spite of Boehner's bluster, get a "mandate." If they'd gotten a Mandate they would have gotten more than a 20-seat lead in the 435-seat house, not to mention they would have taken the Senate. To put it in terms of numbers, they have a less-than 5% lead. Compare this to the 9% lead that the Democrats had during the last two years and it's not so impressive.

In fact, it's less than impressive. Historically, a President loses both houses during the mid-term elections. It didn't happen this time because voters are still suspicious of a GOP that sank the country into one of the worst economic disasters since 1929 these last ten years. But voters are also frustrated with a DNC that can't seem to pull off an economic recovery and that keeps increasing the national debt without any tangible benefit. In fact, even today the Fed sank another $600Bn into buying bonds. It makes my blood boil. BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THAT MONEY, DAMNIT!

The GOP has taken this to mean a "mandate" and that the voters want more obstructionism, not less. I think they are about to find out that they are sorely mistaken.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:12 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
I feel that this type of discourse is unsustainable.

It has be going on since the beginning of time. Doubt it is going anywhere.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:37 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The GOP has taken this to mean a "mandate" and that the voters want more obstructionism, not less. I think they are about to find out that they are sorely mistaken.

With all due respect, we just witnessed the largest swing in the House in the history of the U.S., and several lost seats in the Senate. Not to mention and equally as important, the GOP picked up a ton of Governors seats. I've not witnessed anything from the GOP claiming a mandate as the Democrats did two years ago. This absolutely was a referendum against Obama/Democrats policies. You wouldn't see that mind boggling pickups in the House and Governors if that were not the case.
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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:52 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):

And the bickering begins.  
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

No it's not. What problems are we solving by being at each other's throats all of the time? What problem's are we solving by becoming increasingly polarized? What problems are we solving by hurling accusations and calling each other names across the aisle?

The fact of the matter is that political discourse in this country is at an all time low, and that is not solving anyone's issues. Both parties are working for themselves and for their interests, but certainly not for the good of the average American. Until we can move past hurling insults, we won't be solving any of our issues.

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
but sanity doesn't.

Exactly, which is why I don't watch any of the talking heads no matter which side of the aisle they may sit on. They are all loud, boorish, annoying, and crude. Viewers don't watch when the shows are civil, they watch when insults are flying and voices are raised.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
It has be going on since the beginning of time.

Not this bad. As I've said before, discourse in this country is currently in the toilet. It has not been this bad in the past.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:54 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):
This absolutely was a referendum against Obama/Democrats policies.

Perhaps, but just because it was a rebuke of Obama and the Democrats does not mean it was an endorsement of the GOP.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 13):

With all due respect, we just witnessed the largest swing in the House in the history of the U.S
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...of_Representatives_elections,_1948

Actually, that election was. This one was close, no doubt (in fact the biggest swing since '48), but not the biggest ever.
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Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:09 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
To put it in terms of numbers, they have a less-than 5% lead. Compare this to the 9% lead that the Democrats had during the last two years and it's not so impressive

When the democratic party asssumed the leadership in the 2006 elections they only picked up 33 seats. In yesterdays elections the GOP picked up 62 seats. That is a 14% swing which no matter how you view is pretty huge.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Historically, a President loses both houses during the mid-term elections.

According to whom?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
In fact, even today the Fed sank another $600Bn into buying bonds. It makes my blood boil. BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THAT MONEY, DAMNIT!

You ought to be but for different reasons than infrastructure. They are playing with inflation fire and if it gets out of control everyone will suffer.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The GOP has taken this to mean a "mandate" and that the voters want more obstructionism, not less. I think they are about to find out that they are sorely mistaken.

How exactly are you "obstructionist" if you are the majority party in one part of Congress and in the other at near parity?


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Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:20 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
In a way it is. Should we have less name calling? Sure but for the most part airing out differences is a positive step into solving our issues.

But there is nothing positive happening. All that occurs is that you all call each other names, threads get locked or posts get deleted - and nothing good ever happens.
 
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RE: Thread To Restore Sanity To Non-Av

Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:33 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
It's important to be passionate about politics

That doesn't apply to everyone. I'm certainly not passionate about politics.

I'm passionate about my personal views. But those are my personal beliefs, and have nothing to do with politics. Once things turn political, I lose most interest.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

Why do we need a place of sanity now? Why not last year, or 2 years ago, or next year?

The political threads here have long been rather idiotic and pointless. Certainly no different now that it was a year ago.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
It has be going on since the beginning of time. Doubt it is going anywhere.

  

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:15 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity.

I take it we should discuss the election, just without the yelling. Here's my take: As a libertarian, it's hard to get involved at all, because it all just comes down to Dem vs GOP. But I like the results of the election because it brings things into balance. I hate it when one party has a majority in Congress and has the White House. So a Dem president, a narrowly-divided Senate, and a GOP House... I'm all for it.
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:16 am

I noticed that the thread I started about yesterday's USA elections was the springboard for this thread.

I would suggest that this forum does have mechanisms to control certain excesses. At times, threads on certain subjects, most notably about Israel and Islamic related issues in recent months, have been removed or locked by the Administrators due to excessively combative and personal attacks or attacks upon faith. Some posts in threads have been removed due to similar issues by the moderators or upon recommendation of other members. I have had a few posts deleted over the years I have been here due to poor choices of words and were challenging to the rules.

I would like to see less negative name calling of certain persons, groups, countries. Less displays of ignorance. More displays of honorable disagreement.
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:54 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 23):

I would like to see less negative name calling of certain persons, groups, countries. Less displays of ignorance. More displays of honorable disagreement.

You are expecting way too much for an internet forum. Heck, a.nut is extremely civilized compared to some unmentionable boards out there.
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:12 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
Maybe that's fine for most of you, but for me, it's depressing. Maybe I'm weak, but I don't enjoy being called names, and don't believe differing ideologies can be broken down into such simplistic characteristics. It's easy, and even tempting, to reduce the argument into "you believe this? You must be stupid." I fall victim to it too. But we all know that's simply not the case. If it were that simple, well, there wouldn't be any debate at all

Got good news for yah JBirdAV8 and it's this simple: Yesterday, American citizens fought back, you know... the ones that were told they were racists and or stupid for not supporting Obama's radical agenda . Middle America told Obama and those that backed his skyrocketing deficit policies, wasteful spending and corrupt handling of healthcare to go fly a kite... Republicans gaining over 60 House seats, the most since the 1940's made a strong statement that America does not approve of Obama's corrupt ways and his total lack of understanding of what makes America great. Obama has been the most un-presidential, inexperienced, inflammatory and hyper partisan president in decades, possibly in history. He has not united, he has divided the nation. One of the many examples of Obama dividing American and how he sees the US was his very recent Latino comment, made just weeks ago. He was also ignorent enough to say: "Republicans to sit at the back of the bus". Does that sound like real leader? No way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnwJ1rgCnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Fyh_RhHaA

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Theoretically, yes. However, in reality it's just the same people, on both sides, shouting the same things over and over, and those in the other camp simply not listening. Again, on both sides. Not sure how that's going to solve anything.

The difference is Scorpio, the far left along with many far left media outlets are flat out vile and ruthless. They slander and ridicule their opposition while promoting Obama and his policies, being dishonest far too often. The right is much more benign in nature and more accommodating in regard to fair and open debate. The NPR scandal is just one of many examples of the Liberal media "my way or the highway" mentality where they slander and besmirch you if you do not see things as they do which is what they did to liberal Juan Williams because he worked at Fox and befriended many of his Foxnews colleagues. NPR CEO Vivian Schiller made a derogatory comment insinuating Juan Williams needs a psychiatrist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdyALyV40Y

Obama being elected president is additional proof the vast majority of the US media is liberal and unfairly biased. Because honest media would have pointed out Obama's many defects, i.e. his gross inexperience, his disdain for America and whites people which is what Foxnews did and were accused of being racists for telling the truth. You may not like Beck, but his rally was civil, pro-American and educational. Stewarts rally was a rock concert slash comedy show, completely void of any significance. It was and you said Scorpio, "entertainment".
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:17 am

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 25):
his disdain for America

Your post was well-written with points well taken until you inserted that little nugget. Once again - NOBODY becomes President, wears the flag on their lapel, and sends their wife out to do TV commercials on behalf of military families if they hate America. Period.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:11 am

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 25):
He was also ignorent enough to say: "Republicans to sit at the back of the bus".

If you're going to quote him, do so properly. He never said that.

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 25):
The difference is Scorpio, the far left along with many far left media outlets are flat out vile and ruthless. They slander and ridicule their opposition while promoting Obama and his policies, being dishonest far too often. The right is much more benign in nature and more accommodating in regard to fair and open debate.

Utter BS. I'm not going to go through a list of how vile, ruthless and flat-out dishonest the right-wing media outlets can be - there are plenty of examples out there. Not that the left-wing media is a model of proper journalism (far from it), but If you can't even recognize the failings of your own side, how can you ever have a rational outlook on things?

Actually, I will list one example of how flat-out dishonest the right-wing media can be, since you provided it:

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 25):
Because honest media would have pointed out Obama's many defects, i.e. his gross inexperience, his disdain for America and whites people which is what Foxnews did

As Aaron said, nobody runs for president if they have a disdain for America, and the idea that Obama has a disdain for white people is equally ridiculous. And yet that is the message that was pushed by FoxNews (and other right-wing media sources). Flat-out dishonesty.

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:31 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 26):
Your post was well-written with points well taken

Seriously, thanks.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 26):
Once again - NOBODY becomes President, wears the flag on their lapel, and sends their wife out to do TV commercials on behalf of military families if they hate America. Period.

They can if the vast majority of the media covers for him which is what they did. I just think Obama's been tainted by so many of his radical friends and acquaintances. He also spent way too much time putting down American after he got inaugurated, which could explain why so many Americans are having difficulty seeing him as a true American. It also made Obama appear to more interested in being president of the world, not president of the United States.

This guy baptised both Obama's children
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:40 am

-Mir,

I provided examples to back up my accusations, you have not. Instead you choose to make smarmy remarks.

Why did republicans pick up over 60 house seats, the most since the 1940's. Did Obama play a part in the republican tsunami of 2010?

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:49 am

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 25):
He was also ignorent enough to say: "Republicans to sit at the back of the bus".

Not to send this thread wildly off topic, but was it OK when Michael Steele said "we're going to win in November and Nancy Pelosi will have to sit at the back of the bus?" Just wondering.....

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity.

I would suggest you do what I do - venture into the political threads sparingly. I stay out of them for the most part for exactly the reasons you point out. The same re-hashed rhetoric from both sides vainly trying to get the other side to accept their side of the argument. Never has happened, never will. A waste of bandwidth. Let the children fling feces at one another if they want, just don't join in.
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:58 am

So much for the "Sanity" thread. Took all of 29 posts.   
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:12 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 30):

Not to send this thread wildly off topic, but was it OK when Michael Steele said "we're going to win in November and Nancy Pelosi will have to sit at the back of the bus?" Just wondering.....

It was a retort to Obama's republicans need to sit in the back comment, a jest!

Quoting ER757 (Reply 30):

I would suggest you do what I do - venture into the political threads sparingly. I stay out of them for the most part for exactly the reasons you point out. The same re-hashed rhetoric from both sides vainly trying to get the other side to accept their side of the argument. Never has happened, never will. A waste of bandwidth. Let the children fling feces at one another if they want, just don't join in.
Quoting dxing (Reply 31):
So much for the "Sanity" thread. Took all of 29 posts.   

I maintained my sanity and was civil. But it appears folks like Mir and ER7457 are not interested in civil debate and not doing what the Colbert and Stewart rally was trying to accomplish "respectful disagreement". Their replies are welcome but filled with unwarranted insults.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:13 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
The GOP didn't, in spite of Boehner's bluster, get a "mandate."

Funny thing is I was just told how he was the soul of calm reason. Different views of the same speech.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 19):
Fly2HMO

Is that cloud really out at sea.? I have a very similar cloudscape but taken just N of Topeka. And what a storm it was!!
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:19 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 33):
Funny thing is I was just told how he was the soul of calm reason. Different views of the same speech.

Must be the language barrier again. I was told just the other day that Australians had "mandatory" voting when someone else told me it wasn't true not so long ago.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:24 am

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 29):
I provided examples to back up my accusations, you have not.

You quoted Obama as saying that Republicans should sit at "the back of the bus". He never said that. Rather, he was talking about the back seat of a car, as part of an analogy on the economy. The full text is too long for me to post here, but you'll find it at this link, about halfway down the page: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...vegas-moving-america-forward-rally

One may not see much difference in a bus vs. a car, but when quoting someone, accuracy counts. And it especially counts when you see some members of the right-wing media trying to use the "back of the bus" statement (words which he didn't use) to try and tie his comments to segregation, as you see here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201010270009

"Back of the bus" works for that reference, "back of the car" not so much. Johnson is correct in saying that injecting the image of Rosa Parks into politics is a bad idea, but he's the one that's doing that, not the president. And he's the one who's spinning Obama's analogy into another analogy entirely. And that's another example of how the right-wing media can be dishonest.

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 32):
It was a retort to Obama's republicans need to sit in the back comment, a jest!

Obama's comment hadn't been made at the time. Steele made his comment in the beginning of August, while Obama made his comment toward the end of October.

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 32):
I maintained my sanity and was civil.

You were civil, yes. I thought your arguments were fundamentally flawed, and I said so. I did not insult you - I'm not one to do that.

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:33 am

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 29):
Did Obama play a part in the republican tsunami of 2010?

In fact, he did. He did not campaign agressively enough for the Democrats. But in addition, he has gone about repairing the economy in entirely the wrong way.

You do not buy bonds and pump money into...money. You pump money into jobs. You BUILD stuff. You do a new New Deal. You don't just FIX roads, you BUILD them. And bullet trains. And nuclear reactors. And you proceed boldly forward and do tangible things, brushing aside special interests.

He did too much "compromising" and "listening to both sides." When you have a tug-of-war, you don't get very far until one side collapses. Obama seems to have never played tug-of-war.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:45 am

What really irritates me is when I express my opinion, I am called all sorts of names including evil liberal, terrorist, communist, un-American. Just for expressing my opinion.

Name calling and sex sell. Sanity and well-reasoned arguments do not.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:50 am

"You...."
"Did not."
"Did too."
"Well so did you"
"Did not.."
"I's your fault."
"Is not."
"'Tis too."
"Yes but you started it."
"Did not."
"Did too."

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:53 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 37):
What really irritates me is when I express my opinion, I am called all sorts of names including evil liberal, terrorist, communist, un-American. Just for expressing my opinion.

I think we are embellishing because if a member here calls you this in a post they are banned quite quickly. Posts like that don't last long at all.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:09 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 31):
So much for the "Sanity" thread. Took all of 29 posts.

  
Thought I'd check in since my last post to see how peace, harmony and respect was going.
Pretty sad state of affairs here.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 23):
I would like to see less negative name calling of certain persons, groups, countries. Less displays of ignorance. More displays of honorable disagreement.

I think the only place you'll find that is in the Word Game thread.

This is a big reason why I like the Hobby Forum. I've found the best people hanging out there. People ask for help, nobody's judgemental and it's all about the different ways A.netters express their love of aviation.
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:36 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
The full text is too long for me to post here, but you'll find it at this link, about halfway down the page: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...rally

Thanks Mir, I have been wondering what it was all about. Quite amusing really.

And suddenly, as we’re about to get in the car, we feel this tap on our shoulder, and we look back, and who is it? It’s the Republicans. (Laughter.) And they say, “Excuse me, we’d like the keys back.” (Laughter.)

And we got to tell them, “I’m sorry, you can’t have the keys back. You don’t know how to drive.” (Applause.) You don’t know how to drive. If you want, you can ride with us, but you’ve got to ride in the backseat. (Laughter and applause.) We’re putting middle-class families in the front seat where they belong. (Applause.)

You ever notice when you want to go forward in your car, what do you do? You put it in “D.” If you want to go backwards, you put it in “R.” I don’t want to go backwards. Let’s go forward. (Applause.) Let’s go forward. I want to go forward.


Talk about a canard. That really stretches things quite a bit.

Or then again, some US cars are so big, confusion with a bus is quite possible I spose.  Wow!

The bit about knowing how to drive is going to be very relevant, very soon.

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:49 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 23):

I would like to see less negative name calling of certain persons, groups, countries. Less displays of ignorance. More displays of honorable disagreement.

I would love to see that too, though I also agree with Fly2HMO when he says this-

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 24):

You are expecting way too much for an internet forum. Heck, a.nut is extremely civilized compared to some unmentionable boards out there.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):

You do not buy bonds and pump money into...money. You pump money into jobs. You BUILD stuff. You do a new New Deal. You don't just FIX roads, you BUILD them. And bullet trains. And nuclear reactors. And you proceed boldly forward and do tangible things, brushing aside special interests.

Lewis Black explains perfectly what you mean in this video from 0:26 to 0:55-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk1SoprPRsM
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:12 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
Sex sells. So does screaming, but sanity doesn't.

Yeah, that's why I can't stand the infotainment news in the US. No, I'm not going to watch the spastics on Fox or MSNBC. Give a calm, rational discussion backed up by logic and empirical evidence.

The latter is especially important to me. You can have very sound logic that argues for or against communism/fascism/anarchy, but it may not be feasible or applicable the to real world. Cry about the principle all you want ,but I care about results. Ask someone what tangible benefits teaching something like creationism, scientology, or homeopathy studies give and they just flop around like a fish out of water refusing to show evidence. Sure they'll make assertions because it conforms to their romantic ideal, but never actually present objective evidence.
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:17 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 45):

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 40):
This is a big reason why I like the Hobby Forum. I've found the best people hanging out there. People ask for help, nobody's judgemental and it's all about the different ways A.netters express their love of aviation.

Got to check that out Kev!

In addition, the Hobby Forum has the FS Screenshot thread(s), which are by far my favorite on this site!

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 45):

No the reason you are out is you can't conduct yourself in a normal manner. Not only will you not understand arguments counter to your own but you refuse to even entertain them.

With all due respect, Nick, do you always do that?
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:39 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity. Will it get more than two replies? Doubtful, perhaps. But I'm growing more disillusioned with the partisan insult-fests than I am with the political ideology that differs from my own. I know there have to be others who feel the same way. I can't see how an insult-fest can be healthy.

I believe it is just that people do not control themselves in the anonymity that exists here. Maybe some "can't" but I think most people here could control their speech and choose words that simply express their views rather than pointing out the failings of other people and other peoples posts in a combative manner.

Why many here and on the web can't control themselves is up for question. I think it is that some feel we don't need to "control" ourselves because we are adults and "we have the right to say what we want". But with this attitude we lose the ability to actually have a real conversation. To have an exchange of information. But then many may not want to have a conversation, they only want to tell others what they think (Gee kinda like what I am doing here  ).

I try to follow the same rules here that I follow with the people that I work with everyday. I control myself (I try to, I'm not perfect of course but I am quick to apologize and refocus/restate an offending statement). Some don't. If we all did this then we could actually have a civil conversation.

And I think there would be vastly better conversations than all this false (I believe it to be) "honesty" that is thrown out in the claim of making conversation.

I sometimes wish we could establish "in thread rules" for threads we start but of course we are constrained by the rules and/or allowances of the forum overall or moderating would be impossible.

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Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:00 am

Kind of difficult to keep your sanity when the president decides to spend 2 billion in 10 days overseas.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Thread starter):
So I offer up this thread as a place of sanity
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:32 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 44):
I believe it is just that people do not control themselves in the anonymity that exists here. Maybe some "can't" but I think most people here could control their speech and choose words that simply express their views rather than pointing out the failings of other people and other peoples posts in a combative manner.

True. Am I imaging matters or do the aspects of which you write (says he rewriting that in neutral form) have a certain geographical concentration in relation to their frequency? There are the beautifully written and controlled replies such as those of your good self, and then there are others!! I think I have only had one exposure to Fox TV but could it be that thinking that is a norm for interpersonal relations has shall we say a distorting effect on some?

Quoting tugger (Reply 44):
I sometimes wish we could establish "in thread rules" for threads we start but of course we are constrained by the rules and/or allowances of the forum overall or moderating would be impossible.

Ay now there is a fine idea. Perhaps the rules could come in three flavours:

A. To be applied with a light touch.

B. To be applied with a moderate touch and

C. Rules to be applied to discussion of certain topics which I will not mention but you can point at!

Or could members elect to form sub-groups with those in other sub-groups needing special clearance to post? There are many threads that are going so well until the scenario in Fly2HMO (Reply 19) heaves over the horizon. And then, disaster.

Quoting tugger (Reply 44):
I try to follow the same rules here that I follow with the people that I work with everyday. I control myself (I try to, I'm not perfect of course but I am quick to apologize and refocus/restate an offending statement). Some don't. If we all did this then we could actually have a civil conversation.

How many of these am I allowed before I get banned?   
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:26 am

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 23):
The difference is Scorpio, the far left along with many far left media outlets are flat out vile and ruthless.

I believe the OP was specifically about people like YOU, Aphonic. The ones who really haven't quite figured out yet that in a situation like this, BOTH parties share the blame. The ones for whom it's all 'the other's fault'.

Quoting Aphonic (Reply 23):
The right is much more benign in nature and more accommodating in regard to fair and open debate.

                 

Seriously, I see you've very recently joined, so I'm not sure yet whether you're serious or just taking the piss. I hope it's the latter, otherwise... my God...
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:13 pm

Last time I checked ....you still have to select and enter a topic of interest on this forum ? So .... don't enter a political thread if you don't want to read it. And this is a very good forum format.... very good, thanks to all who play a part in it .
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:22 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 48):
So .... don't enter a political thread if you don't want to read it.

It's not that I don't want to read it, it's that you can expect that some posters will crap all over it, and drown out the intelligent discussions of others.

These are a certain group of people who have zero interest in "solving our issues," but rather are only interested in "airing their differences."
 
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Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:13 pm

Quoting san747 (Reply 42):
In addition, the Hobby Forum has the FS Screenshot thread(s), which are by far my favorite on this site!

The youtube vids are better!

Quoting D L X (Reply 49):
It's not that I don't want to read it, it's that you can expect that some posters will crap all over it, and drown out the intelligent discussions of others.

So know people that have a different view than yours is not intelligent? Priceless.

Quoting D L X (Reply 49):
These are a certain group of people who have zero interest in "solving our issues," but rather are only interested in "airing their differences."

Again it's a message board here not congress. I utilize my power at the voting booth.
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