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New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:36 am

Welfare agencies are urging the Federal Government to find a solution to a growing problem of New Zealanders finding themselves destitute in Australia.

Agencies say New Zealanders are not eligible for welfare benefits and some are resorting to begging.

Tony Keenan from Hanover Welfare Services in Melbourne says it is a growing national problem.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/08/3059772.htm

Wow..never thought I'd see something like this happening here.
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:40 pm

I'm pretty suprised by this I would have thought most homeless Kiwi's in Australia would have family in NZ who they could ask for help to bring them back, however the dark side of me says better they stay in Australia and be a problem for them to resolve rather than send them home to be a drain on our welfare system.
 
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:23 pm

Very sad to see, as I'm trying to emigrate to Oz (with not much luck!).

Are conditions that bad in NZ that encourages a lot of Kiwi's to emigrate?
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:36 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
Are conditions that bad in NZ that encourages a lot of Kiwi's to emigrate?

Not at all. I migrated to NZ from the UK 4 years ago and things are fine here, notwthstanding the recent quake! The attraction of Oz to Kiwis is higher earnings. An understandable attraction sure enough, but it's not like things are that bad here and the grass isn't always greener on the other side as some poor souls have unfortunately found out the hard way.

I'm sure I heard on TV here a little while back that inward migration is actually exceeding outward migration.
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:08 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 2):
Are conditions that bad in NZ that encourages a lot of Kiwi's to emigrate?

As one of our PM's famously said "New Zealanders immigrating to Australia raises the IQ of both countries".
 
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:10 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
As one of our PM's famously said "New Zealanders immigrating to Australia raises the IQ of both countries".

As a relatively newly adopted Kiwi, I haven't heard that one. Who said it? Muldoon by any chance?
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:36 pm

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 5):
Who said it? Muldoon by any chance?

That would be the one.
 
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:28 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 6):
That would be the one.

And I think the other was Mr Lange, RIP.
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:05 pm

I found this clip on Youtube.. Pretty old now.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujF8MOD2Ktg

But yes, I also go by that Rob Muldoon saying, until I start thinking of making the move myself  
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:21 pm

Send the bastards home. They really need to sort out a permanent residence visa for NZers in Australia - it has got beyond a joke...
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:16 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):
They really need to sort out a permanent residence visa for NZers in Australia - it has got beyond a joke...

I don't think the same reciprocal (welfare) benefits are afforded to Australians if we go to live in NZ are they ?

Don't you have to prove that you are financially able ?
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:19 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):

Or for our two countries to unite as one and take over the world mwha ha ha.....
 
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:50 pm

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 11):
Or for our two countries to unite as one and take over the world mwha ha ha.....

Well economically speaking, it might not be a bad idea to just jump on your back and take a bigger piggy back than we're already getting!
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:03 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 12):
Well economically speaking, it might not be a bad idea to just jump on your back and take a bigger piggy back than we're already getting!

Yes, certainly a positive for Kiwi economic interests. Not 100% sure what Oz would get economically (environmentally viable agriculture perhaps, plus good service industry?). Currency issues (AUD$1.28 tot he Kiwi atm) could be a blockage.... NZ's foreign policy would be a challenmge for integration too, being more independent than Australia.

And, as we know, NZ is closer to Oz east coast than Perth, and was, for a long time, more likely to become the 6th state of Australia than WA - until the railway line commitment.....
 
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:53 pm

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 13):
more likely to become the 6th state of Australia than WA - until the railway line commitment.....

It was actually a part of NSW before becoming NZ.. Things were run from Sydney because it was already established and there was basically nothing in NZ. I realise, monetary policy is the only thing blocking the ANZAC dollar.. Which I'd like to see one day.
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RE: New Zealand Expats Resort To Begging In Australia

Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:01 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 1):
better they stay in Australia and be a problem for them to resolve rather than send them home to be a drain on our welfare system.

Lol..why not? We are already paying for others..you know..boat people, ship people etc..so why not help out our neighbours?

But seriously speaking..I think Kiwis should be subjected to the same immigration laws as anyone else entering Oz..they should be able to show financial support etc..and the same should be done by the Kiwi immigration to Aussies. That way it'll minimize stuff like this happening.

What I don't get is that our immigration dept. cant seem to do anything about this..and they are saying as long as the Kiwis are here legally..they cant do anything about it. But I thought all Kiwis coming here (and Aussies going to NZ) are legal..I mean we don't require visas to travel to either country, and we can stay indefinitely in both countries..so why would Kiwis/Aussies try to get into each others countries illegally?
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