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Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:44 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7036716.shtml


What the? Not even venturing a guess but picked this up on Tammy Bruce's twitter.

Can't wait to see what this is!
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:47 pm

Let the finger pointing begin within the Pentagon.

They stated that they did not know what it was but were "not surprised" by what occurred.
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:48 pm

Looks like an optical illusion to me. Contrail from an approaching aircraft, maybe. Wouldn't be the first.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:50 pm

I just posted an identical thread.   

My Dad sent me the article and said he saw the missile from his 8th floor office in Newport Beach, overlooking Catalina Island. No comment from the military. Dad said the missile didn't appear to be weaponized, but much larger in size.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:59 pm

I just saw this on a general info site. This is very mysterious indeed. It looks like the missile was launched from the sea off the coast of Southern California.

Could it be one of these... maybe?
UGM-84 Sub Harpoon (United States), Underwater weapons - Guided ASW/ASUW weapons
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-...-84-Sub-Harpoon-United-States.html

Strangely no one seems to know what it is or where it came from. It was caughte on video, sunset time, apparently a big missile.

They say NORAD could not detect the missile and Pentagon knows zilch (my eye!)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ngeles-mystery-pentagon-officials/

Mystery Missile: Launch of Unknown Missile Caught on Tape in California
Navy, Military Investigating Missile Video; No Agencies Claim Responsibility Yet

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/myste...california-coast/story?id=12097155

Videos and pictures
http://www.cbs8.com/global/category....pId=5274555&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

What if it was launched by a foreign power? (I don't know... I am just asking...)
Why the silence? I find it strange that the Pentagon says they know zilch.

I find it strange that NORAD said they couldent track it.

Any of you forum members see the missile? Anyone here catch pictures of it?

   

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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:06 pm



This isn't the "missile" from today's report. This is a previous similar event which, I believe, was attributed to a jet contrail.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:07 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 4):

Any of you forum members see the missile? Anyone here catch pictures of it?

As I stated previously, my Dad saw it, and he compared the size of it to a Shuttle SRBs.

Just got a text on iPhone from him: Not to be a conspiracist, but I have heard of the possible EMP dangers, going way back to when Iran had a launch that was a “failure” because it blew-up at a 3 mile altitude.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:12 pm

I dont think it should be too mysterious. We had a bunch of active Notams yesterday covering coastal airspace.

Matter of fact, more are published for today, including:

Quote:
A2832/10 - THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE - FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10
NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010

Plus closure of other coastal blocks of airspace from Surface to Unlimited altitude.

Quote:
11/084 (A2837/10) - AIRSPACE W61 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/083 (A2838/10) - AIRSPACE W60 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/082 (A2836/10) - AIRSPACE W290 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/081 (A2835/10) - AIRSPACE W289N ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/080 (A2834/10) - AIRSPACE W289 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010




[Edited 2010-11-09 11:33:13]
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:14 pm

How could this "thing" not be intercepted if it was foreign or "illegal"? There must be some radars thar saw it... Might have been launched from a submarine (again I don't know... i am just asking...)?
Why did it not get intercepted? The contrail is huge... this is not any amateur missile...

Pentagon still mum about it. No one knows what it is... CNN says its an airplane? all planes have transponders and are tracked...

Some are saying it is some kind of meteor... For as much as I know a meteor doesnt go straight up from the sea... This is getting rather interesting.

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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:31 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):

Pentagon still mum about it. No one knows what it is... CNN says its an airplane? all planes have transponders and are tracked...

Some are saying it is some kind of meteor... For as much as I know a meteor doesnt go straight up from the sea... This is getting rather interesting.

Oh calm down. Obviously something DoD related that they don't want to talk about - has been going on in SoCal for decades.
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:37 pm

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Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:59 pm

Maybe it was a UFO and that is why no one picked it up on radar.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:10 pm

I wonder if this was seen from any commercial flights?
What routes are going nearby? LAX-HNL maybe? Probably some other routes as well.

   
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:18 pm

I'm absolutely mystified as to why nobody has asked whether it is a fighter jet in steep climb. If in fact it is not a large pax jet in an optical illusion (which I assume is the case as the video was shot by a helicopter pilot for the station, and we would have seen the end point of the video), then perhaps it is just a fighter jet in steep climb off the San Diego coast.

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Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:30 pm

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 11):
Maybe it was a UFO and that is why no one picked it up on radar.

Uh well since it hasn't been identified yet, I'd say it IS a UFO.

Or did you mean an alien?  
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:01 pm

Seriously though..they don't know what it is..and they're saying its not a threat! How the hell can you say its not a threat when you don't even know what it is?! If a Cessna without a flight plan crossing the border IS a possible threat, A MISSILE is not? Are we really that dumb to accept this kind of explanation? What is the cover up?
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:04 pm

Looks like a Contrail and a Jet getting lit up by the setting sun to me.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:13 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 16):

Whatever it is, those in command should be capable of knowing, ant they should let people know.
This is now going on the news worldwide.
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:27 pm

Seriously, people need to calm the heck down. That's not a missile. While yes I am fully aware there are missile test sites all over california, I have seen numerous times a very similar effect at dawn at my location, not in the US and nowhere near any missile test sites, where a certain flight's contrail always lines up in such a way that it lights up in it's entirety, and the fuselage makes this glint in the sun which may make it seem as its an exhaust plume. And I've seen it at sunset as well. Not to mention missiles move considerably faster, even when viewed from far away. And the Government usually does announce when there is a missile launch. And if it was anything truly hostile I REALLY doubt they would've just thrown their hands up in the air and said "O well who knows"

It's gonna be annoying hearing all the conspiracy theorists go on and on about this.   

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Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:01 pm

For what it's worth, my girlfriend asks me all the time if contrails are missiles. She always mistakes contrails that appear from the horizon much like whatever is in the pictures as missiles going straight up when in fact, it's a contrail coming from FAR away, well below the horizon to over our heads. So it's a mistake people do make...
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:09 pm

C'mon people, use your heads. If this was a classified/secret launch, do we really expect NORAD, the Pentagon, and all other levels of military in the know to even admit they knew what it was, let alone saying they were responsible for it?

Besides, LAXintl seems to have already solved the puzzle:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
I dont think it should be too mysterious. We had a bunch of active Notams yesterday covering coastal airspace.

Matter of fact, more are published for today, including:

Quote:

A2832/10 - THE FOLLOWING RESTRICTIONS ARE REQUIRED DUE TO NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER WEAPONS DIVISION ACTIVATION OF W537.
IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, ALL NON-PARTICIPATING PILOTS
ARE ADVISED TO AVOID W537. IFR TRAFFIC UNDER ATC JURISDICTION
SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLEARANCE AROUND W537 AND CAE 1176.
CAE 1155 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1316 & CAE 1318 WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
CAE 1177 WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OCEANIC TRANSITION.
W537 ACTIVE, CAE 1176 CLOSED. SURFACE - FL390, 09 NOV 20:00 2010 UNTIL 10
NOV 01:00 2010. CREATED: 08 NOV 20:52 2010

Plus closure of other coastal blocks of airspace from Surface to Unlimited altitude.

Quote:

11/084 (A2837/10) - AIRSPACE W61 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/083 (A2838/10) - AIRSPACE W60 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/082 (A2836/10) - AIRSPACE W290 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/081 (A2835/10) - AIRSPACE W289N ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010

11/080 (A2834/10) - AIRSPACE W289 ACT SFC-UNL. 09 NOV 15:30 2010 UNTIL 10 NOV 03:00 2010. CREATED:
09 NOV 09:33 2010



This is a rough outline on my part showing the locations of the above emboldened Warning areas, and the tan dots representing approximately 35 miles (the distance said object was supposedly launched) from the southwest point of LA.:


http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4864/67695067.jpg


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Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:38 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 20):
If this was a classified/secret launch,

Then why would they do it right in front of Los Angeles for the whole world (literally) to see?

It's obviously a submarine ICBM launch. Whose ICBM and why is anyone's guess. But if it wasn't ours, then we're in trouble because if someone can sneak up on LA and fire a missile, that's...um... bad.
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:42 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):

It's obviously a submarine ICBM launch. Whose ICBM and why is anyone's guess. But if it wasn't ours, then we're in trouble because if someone can sneak up on LA and fire a missile, that's...um... bad.

Right. If it wasn't ours to begin with I highly doubt anybody in NORAD would just sit back and relax and continue sipping their coffee.
 
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:19 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 23):

Right. If it wasn't ours to begin with I highly doubt anybody in NORAD would just sit back and relax and continue sipping their coffee.

Well, to play devil's advocate, if it were the Russians or someone saying: "Boo!" do you think that NORAD would up and advertise that fact and rile the populace into a tizzy?
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Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):

Well, to play devil's advocate, if it were the Russians or someone saying: "Boo!" do you think that NORAD would up and advertise that fact and rile the populace into a tizzy?

A valid point. However, it's pretty safe to say we'd be seeing heightened activity at military bases by now. None of which has happened yet AFAIK.
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:44 am

I don't know what it is, but for some reason the first thought that went through my head was a Chinese Submarine doing a show the flag exercise off the Southern California coast. Perhaps as retaliation for US Naval exercises in the South China Sea and off Korea.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:33 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 26):
I don't know what it is, but for some reason the first thought that went through my head was a Chinese Submarine doing a show the flag exercise off the Southern California coast. Perhaps as retaliation for US Naval exercises in the South China Sea and off Korea.

That would be a very poor idea on their part.

You do not launch an ICBM 32 miles off LA unless you are the USA. That's a very good way to start a nuclear war.

As has been pointed out, airspace in the vicinity of the launch was closed prior to the launch. Therefore, my guess is that nobody at the Pentagon is particularly surprised by this event.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 21):

Coincidence.

Look, I've seen a few contrails in my day and that didn't look like any airliner to me. The angular motion was way too fast.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:44 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):

As has been pointed out, airspace in the vicinity of the launch was closed prior to the launch. Therefore, my guess is that nobody at the Pentagon is particularly surprised by this event.

No it wasn't. The posted NOTAMs show the airspace was closed TODAY, not yesterday. Either somebody made a big paper pushing error, or we really have no idea what the hell was launched out there.

Until the government owns up to what it was, this is going to continue to blow up.

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:46 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 20):


Besides, LAXintl seems to have already solved the puzzle:

I wish he or somebody had or would, but those are all for today and tonight.

I have not seen any Notams for yesterday posted.
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:00 am

Having finally seen the video (couldn't see it at work), my vote goes to airliner contrail.

Having seen a rocket launch from Vandenberg just this past Friday, that rocket was moving a hell of a lot faster than this mystery object (and Vandenberg is about 135 miles away from where I was standing).

Also, the last rocket I saw launched from Vandenberg (back in 2001 or 2002) had a visible contrail, as it was launched soon after sunset. And when that contrail hit the high-altitude winds (up above where airplanes cruise), it got twisted and turned around a bunch - it was anything but a straight line.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:05 am

Wow! Seriously folks, are we that bored today? It seems obvious the DOD was testing something, that we don't need to know about, since when do they have to confirm or deny anything? Informing us, is informing our potential enemies, although it would have been pretty cool to see.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:09 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 30):
Having seen a rocket launch from Vandenberg just this past Friday, that rocket was moving a hell of a lot faster than this mystery object (and Vandenberg is about 135 miles away from where I was standing).

That is what I saw on the news, a person in the know said the very same thing, far too slow for a rocket.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:15 am

Speculation time!!

Is it at all possible, that because of the angle we viewed this from, that what we saw could actually have been something entering the atmosphere? My thought when I saw this was a slow moving meteorite that entered the atmosphere and what we saw was it simply burning up.

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:09 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 3):
Dad said the missile didn't appear to be weaponized, but much larger in size.

How can dad tell if a missile is weaponized when it is perhaps 20-50 feet long at 100 miles away?

What dad saw was the contrail, not the "missile" itself.

The world is round. When an object (Hawaiian Airlines) is maintaining level flight, it will appear to climb as it comes toward the camera. It will appear the descend as it maintains level flight as it goes away from the camera.

Quoting RubberJungle (Reply 5):
This isn't the "missile" from today's report. This is a previous similar event which, I believe, was attributed to a jet contrail.
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 21):
Coincidence.

http://www.examiner.com/weather-in-l...over-southern-california-explained

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
It's obviously a submarine ICBM launch. Whose ICBM and why is anyone's guess. But if it wasn't ours, then we're in trouble because if someone can sneak up on LA and fire a missile, that's...um... bad.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):
You do not launch an ICBM 32 miles off LA unless you are the USA. That's a very good way to start a nuclear war.

Get a grip. Really. Lets start a nuclear war over a Hawaiian A-330 or whatever which has left a contrail in a stable atmosphere.

[Edited 2010-11-09 20:21:59]
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:12 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 27):

Look, I've seen a few contrails in my day and that didn't look like any airliner to me. The angular motion was way too fast.

Well you haven't seen enough   I live under a very very busy VOR and I've seen airliners do that exact same effect more than a few times. It's not too often, but with the right timing with the plane/sun at right angles it will certainly look like that. And that thing is barely hovering. Missile's are MUCH faster, even when viewed from afar. I too for a few seconds thought it might be a missile but then realized when they zoomed in the picture it created the illusion of the plane moving much faster.

Something similar happened over Mexico city a few years ago and everybody went apeshit because they thought it was a comet or UFO. But it was the exact same situation as this one.  
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:22 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 34):

Get a grip. Really. Lets start a nuclear war over a Hawaiian A-330 or whatever which has left a contrail in a stable atmosphere.

Then what's with the airspace closures?
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:25 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):
Then what's with the airspace closures?

Who cares about the airspace closures. They were no where near the time of this event. Haven't you realized that yet?

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:26 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
What routes are going nearby? LAX-HNL maybe? Probably some other routes as well.

I caught about 15 minutes of Karel today on Green 960. He was talking with some friends flying back from HNL and they said the pilot said they had to fly over Big Sur then south to LAX because of air space restrictions.

Quoting tbar220 (Reply 33):
Is it at all possible, that because of the angle we viewed this from, that what we saw could actually have been something entering the atmosphere? My thought when I saw this was a slow moving meteorite that entered the atmosphere and what we saw was it simply burning up.

I was thinking the same thing at first. But, then, I saw all the restrictions and heard Karel and thought it was just a test launch. Besides, there is a military base near San Diego. I have seen war ships off the coast there between Capistrano and Oceanside on I-5. Not entirely out of the relm of possibility the United States military was launching something.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:29 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):
Then what's with the airspace closures?

Doc, you're disappointing me, I thought you were good at this stuff.  

Anyways, those closures happen all the time on that coast. It's basically the Navy's shooting range in that area. (For SMALL stuff, like a CIWS or naval artillery or at most a naval SAM missile, which would be a speck compared to this). Those warning areas all over the coast are the equivalent to controlled firing ranges over land.
 
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:37 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):
Then what's with the airspace closures?

But special use airspace is nothing new. Has it been determined what the compass bearing is of that photo in relation to the photographer? It may not even be near any special use airspace. Looks like a normal contrail, which is framed by a beautiful sunset and cloud.
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Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:24 am

Oh come on people, I have the true answer! This is obviously a case of light from Venus reflected by a weather balloon into swamp gas!!!!   

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Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:11 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):

Well, to play devil's advocate, if it were the Russians or someone saying: "Boo!" do you think that NORAD would up and advertise that fact and rile the populace into a tizzy?

Well if it was the Russians then they'd say hey we just did this...
 
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RE: Mysterious Missile Launch In LA?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:51 am

Have you ever heard about "Hyper Soar"..just google it. My and others opinion is: it's no just project.
c'mon guys the Russsians and the US possess this technology since a looong time.
That explains why it went undetected by NORAD cause this technology totally absorbs radar waves.

Man it's not really secret anymore! just pass it to the sheep and aplly it on COMMERCIAL
 
 
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RE: Mysterious Missile Launch In LA?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:16 am

for those who can understand french, here is my source, a bad quality video link, comments from a scientist who says to be one of the pioneers in MHD tech
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe8...s-militaires-jean-pierre-peti_tech
 
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RE: Mysterious Missile Launch In LA?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:31 am

some comment in english:
"HyperSoar Hypersonic Global Range Recce/Strike Aircraft A HyperSoar hypersonic Global Range Recce/Strike Aircraft the size of a B-52 could take off from the US and deliver its payload to any point on the globe - from an altitude and at a speed that would challenge current defensive measures - and return to the US without the need for refueling or forward bases on foreign soil. Equipment and personnel could also be transported. HyperSoar could fly at approximately 6,700 mph (Mach 10), while carrying roughly twice the payload of subsonic aircraft of the same takeoff weight. The HyperSoar concept promises less heat build-up on the airframe than previous hypersonic designs - a challenge that has until now limited the development of hypersonic aircraft. The key to HyperSoar is the skipping motion of its flight along the edge of Earth's atmosphere - much like a rock skipped across water. A HyperSoar aircraft would ascend to approximately 130,000 feet - lofting outside the Earth's atmosphere - then turn off its engines and coast back to the surface of the atmosphere. There, it would again fire its air-breathing engines and skip back into space. The craft would repeat this process until it reached its destination. A mission from the midwestern United States to east Asia would require approximately 25 such skips to complete the one-and-a-half-hour journey. The aircraft's angles of descent and ascent during the skips would only be 5 degrees. The crew would feel 1.5 times the force of gravity at the bottom of each skip and weightlessness while in space. (1.5 Gs is comparable to the effect felt on a child's swing, though HyperSoar's motion would be 100 times slower.) Although the porpoising effect of a HyperSoar flight might test the adventurousness of some airline passengers, this would not impact military or space launch applications. Most current hypersonic designs rely on rocket engines to boost the aircraft to the edge of space, from where the craft essentially glides back down to its destination. Other designs simply use engines to push the aircraft through the atmosphere. All previous concepts have suffered from heat buildup on the surface of the aircraft and in various aircraft components due to friction with the atmosphere. A HyperSoar plane would experience less heating because it would spend much of its flight out of the Earth's atmosphere. Also, any heat the craft picked up while "skipping" down into the atmosphere could be at least partially dissipated during the aircraft's time in the cold of space. Another HyperSoar advantage is its use of air-breathing engines. Most conventional hypersonic designs rely on rocket motors to boost the aircraft to the edge of space. By not boosting to as high a velocity, and by dropping back into the atmosphere at the bottom of each "skip," a HyperSoar plane can utilize air- breathing engines, which are inherently more efficient than rocket engines. Also, HyperSoar engines would be used strictly as accelerators, rather than as accelerators and cruising engines - as in some hypersonic designs - thereby greatly simplifying the design and reducing technical risk. Waveriders are aerodynamic shapes designed such that the bow shock generated by the configuration is attached along the outer leading edge at the design Mach number. The shock attachment condition confines the high-pressure region behind the shock wave to the lower surface of the configuration, which provides the potential for high lift-to-drag ratios. Waveriders also offer potential propulsion/airframe integration (PAI) benefits because of their ability to deliver a known uniform flow field to a scramjet inlet. Enhanced mixing mixing between the fuel and airstream, and thus reduced combustor length and engine weight, is an important goal in the design of supersonic combustion ramjet (scramjet) engines. Cryogenic hydrogen fuel was chosen for air-breathing scramjet propulsion for the National AeroSpace Plane. Selection was based on its high specific energy, its high heat-sink capacity for structural cooling, and its ability to burn very rapidly and sustain flameholding in strained recirculation zones. The HyperSoar concept has been under investigation by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory for several years and is being discussed with the US Air Force and other government agencies. Livermore has been working with the University of Maryland's Department of Aerospace Engineering to refine the aerodynamic and trajectory technologies associated with the concept. Other potential applications for HyperSoar aircraft include: Space lift - HyperSoar could be employed as the first stage of a two-stage-to- orbit space launch system. Research shows this approach will allow approximately twice the payload-to-orbit as today's expendable launch systems for a given gross takeoff weight. Passenger aircraft - A commercial HyperSoar airliner or business jet could reach any destination on the planet from the continental U.S. in two hours or less. Freighter - A HyperSoar freight aircraft could make four or more roundtrips to, say, Tokyo each day from the U.S. versus one or less for today's aircraft. Analysis indicates a HyperSoar aircraft flying express mail between Los Angeles and Tokyo could generate ten times the daily revenue of a similarly- sized subsonic cargo plane of today. Proponents estimate that approximately $140 million would be needed over the next few years to advance several technologies to the point where a $350 million one-third-scale flyable prototype could be built and tested. The development cost of full-scaled HyperSoar aircraft is estimated at about the same as spent to develop the Boeing Company's new 777, or nearly $10 billion."
 
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RE: Mysterious Missile Launch In LA?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:36 am

guys guys, top gear is in the process of filming a new season.. i am sure they had something to do with it! Last time they only went a few thousand feet.

On a serious note, in the video you could see a "burning"/"light" at the leading edge of the contrail.

I cant say if thats an aircraft.
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RE: Mysterious Missile Launch In LA?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:50 pm

Quoting flanker (Reply 47):
On a serious note, in the video you could see a "burning"/"light" at the leading edge of the contrail.

I cant say if thats an aircraft.

Ever seen the sun glinting off of an airliner? Yeah, it happens. Alot.
Come on folks, this is not that difficult.
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RE: Mysterious Missile Launch In LA?

Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:38 pm

Quoting worldrider (Reply 44):
Have you ever heard about "Hyper Soar"..just google it. My and others opinion is: it's no just project.
c'mon guys the Russsians and the US possess this technology since a looong time.


 
Quoting 4holer (Reply 48):
Of all groups, this forum should have spent about 10 seconds trying to figure this out...

Seriously. I am disappointed.

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