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F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:32 pm

Thought we might as well get this one going.

It sure has been an interesting, thrilling, nerv wracking, scary etc. etc. season.
Never since I started to watch F1 have I been so left out in the dark in regards to who would take the title. I say well played for current point system.

Yesterday we saw 3 WDC holders on the podium and in the press conference. And I think Vettel deserved to be there. He's been very mature in the later part of the season. Not to start any discussion about who deserved the title, cause fact is, whoever of the remaining 4 that would have taken it deserved it.

Next season we wont see F-duct anymore as it's been banned. Instead comes the movable rear wing to increase speed on the straights. What I wonder with this is if you really should mess around with the rear wing. If it fails at a speed of +/- 300 km/h (190 mph) the driver will simply be a passenger.

We will see KERS back again. I'm not a fan of this gadget to be honest. Many teams seemed to not like it all too much last year. And the only team who really got it to work was Mclaren if my memory serves me correct.

If the safety car has been deployed and comes in on the last lap, all the cars need to finish in that order. No overtaking allowed. What is the logical thinking behind this, if any!?

And lets not forget that Pirelli is the new tire supplier from next season.

Overall a great season behind us with lots of action. So to keep us F1 geeks from not turning in to mental cases, please post opinions, news, developments etc. in here.

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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:44 pm

No Hulk at Williams in 2010. Didn't like the idea of signing up to them and having to spend a year in a HRT

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88301

And apparently Toyota had an agreement with HRT for them to use the car they designed for 2010 to base their 2011 car on. But HRT didn't pay up so Toyota pulled the pin.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88313

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
We will see KERS back again. I'm not a fan of this gadget to be honest. Many teams seemed to not like it all too much last year. And the only team who really got it to work was Mclaren if my memory serves me correct.

And Ferrari. I believe Mercedes are supplying all their teams with the McLaren system and from what I've gathered all the Renault powered teams will get the Renault system. From what I understand it's still not going to be mandatory for next season. I assume the Ferrari teams will get the Ferrari system and I believe HRT at least will be using the Williams system. I guess there's some FOTA infulence in ensuring smaller teams can buy a KERS system rather than having to develop one which hamstrung it in the past
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:31 pm

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
Not to start any discussion about who deserved the title, cause fact is, whoever of the remaining 4 that would have taken it deserved it.

Alonso, had he won it, would have deserved it by having an inferior car and becuse he never stopped believing he could make it. And he was very close. But Vettel also deserved it. Despite a few mistakes during the season, he was overall the best car/driver formula. Had he not made some mistakes, he would have won the title a couple of races ago, so yes, I think it is well deserved, and once he gets more experience in handling different situations, we have in our hands a true talent. I wouldn't ,mind seeing him driving for Ferrari some day!

But most of all, this season has been amazing in every way. We had expected it to be this way, having so many WDC's on the grid, and they delivered.

btw; interestingly enough (and if I'm not mistaken), it's the first time in the entire season that Vettel is first in the WDC standings! Until yesterday, we had Alonso, Massa (!), LH, Webber and I'm not sure but I think even Button at one point, but Vettel never (by himself).
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:36 pm

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
Thought we might as well get this one going.

Thank you for opening the thread.

Quoting bill142 (Reply 1):
No Hulk at Williams in 2010.

They certainly could not fire Rubens considering all the experience he has.

Money is the winner. It is probably that Pastor Maldonado will get the Hulk's seat... meh....

I hope Hulkenberg will be hired by another team. He certainly has talent.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:42 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
They certainly could not fire Rubens considering all the experience he has.

Actually Hulkenberg didn't get fired. He declined to be degraded to some low life team at the back of the grid. I think he made a smart move cause he's way too talented to let a good F1 future fade away while he's being stuck at the back of the grid. He deserves better and he knows it.

EZEIZA,
Your correct. it is the first time this season that Vettel is actually leading the WDC.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:45 pm

The cars should be kept simple, no gadgets like double-deck diffuser, movable wings, KERS, active suspension or stuff like that. It should be about driving, but still it is a technology race and bending the rules.

Are we going to see much change in the looks of the cars? Not much I think. There was a dramatic change comparing 2008 and 2009.

Major changes:
107% rule in qualifying returns.
Minimum weight goes up to 640 kg
Rear-wing movable front-wing not.
No double diffuser.
No F-duct.
KERS back.
Pirelli tyres.

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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:48 pm

Quoting sudden (Thread starter):
And lets not forget that Pirelli is the new tire supplier from next season.

Actually the teams stay in Abu Dhabi this week to test those new tyres.

Also, plenty of young or new drivers will be doing some tests with the teams this week. Here is the full list:


Red Bull:
Daniel Ricciardo, 21 (AUS) : Red Bull test driver, 2009 British F3 champion.

McLaren:
Gary Paffett, 29 (GB) : McLaren test driver, 2005 DTM champion.
Oliver Turvey, 23 (GB) : 2nd of the 2008 British F3 championship, 6th of the 2010 GP2 championship.

Ferrari:
Jules Bianchi, 21 (FRA) : 2011 Ferrari test driver, 2009 F3 EuroSeries champion, 3rd of the 2010 GP2 championship.

Mercedes GP:
Sam Bird, 23 (GB) : 5th of the 2010 GP2 championship.

Renault:
Jerome D'Ambrosio, 24 (BEL) : Virgin test driver at then of 2010, 12th of the 2010 GP2 championship.
Mikhail Aleshin, 23 (RUS) : 2010 World Series by Renault champion.

Williams:
Pastor Maldonado, 25 (VEN) : 2010 GP2 champion.
Dean Stoneman, 20 (GB) : 2010 F2 champion.

Force India:
Yelmer Buurman, 23 (HOL) : 4th of the 2006 British F3 championship.
Antonio Felix da Costa, 19 (POR) : 2009 Formula Renault 2.0 champion .
Paul di Resta, 24 (GB) : Force India test driver, 2006 F3 EuroSeries champion.

BMW Sauber:
Esteban Gutierrez, 19 (MEX) : 2010 GP3 champion.
Sergio Perez, 20 (MEX) : 2011 Sauber driver, 2nd of the 2010 GP2 championship.

Toro Rosso:
Jean-Eric Vergne, 20 (FRA) : 2010 British F3 champion.

Lotus:
Vladimir Arabadzhiev, 26 (BUL) : 2008 Formula Master Italia champion.
Rodolfo Gonzalez, 24 (VEN) : 2006 British F3 champion.

Virgin:
Jerome D'Ambrosio, 24 (BEL) : Virgin test driver at then of 2010, 12th of the 2010 GP2 championship.
Luiz Razia, 20 (BRA) : Virgin test driver, 2006 South American F3 champion.
Rio Haryanto, 17 (IDN) : 2009 Pacific Formula BMW champion.

HRT:
Pastor Maldonado, 25 (VEN) : 2010 GP2 champion.
Josef Kral, 20 (CZ) : 2nd of the 2007 Formula BMW series.
Davide Valsecchi, 23 (ITA) : 2010 GP2 Asia champion, 8th of the 2010 GP2 championship.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:50 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 4):
Actually Hulkenberg didn't get fired. He declined to be degraded to some low life team at the back of the grid.

The right decision as far as I can see

From Nico Rosberg's Twitter

"checked in dubai.receptionist was shocked when she saw passport.some1stuck britney in my passport."

http://plixi.com/p/57112914

huhhh!!!!    
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:05 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
They certainly could not fire Rubens considering all the experience he has.

Why not? They fired Damon Hill in 1996 after he won the championship for them.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:34 pm

Great season and Driver's Championship. Hopefully after such an exciting championship right down to the final race, old Bernie will finally put his "Medals" concept of Driver's scoring out to lunch. Proved this year that it wasn't needed at all. This points spread between places seemed to work quite well and kept the championship close.

As to Kers, Moveable Wings, etc, frankly I think it is just getting too complex for the driver who is still too much a passenger to the technology. Moveable rear wings is just another more complex system of the F-duct. Changing the drag of the rear wing by moving it. I read a report that said that with Kers, plus the rear wing adjustment, it's the equivalent of giving the drivers 160 more horsepower on the straights. Personally, I'd like to see a system of some type, similar to the Indy Car Series "Push-to-Pass" where each driver is given a fixed and limited amount of usage per race. Then it becomes a strategic tool. But to do this, the fans have to know how much each driver is using and how much remains.

Looking forward to 2011 season.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 2):
I wouldn't ,mind seeing him driving for Ferrari some day!



And that is what I am waiting for. I would love to see him drive for Ferrari. For how long does Vettel's contract with RBR run?

What I also would love to see is a return of Kimi with Ferrari, but that wont probably happen, just me dreaming!
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:21 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
"checked in dubai.receptionist was shocked when she saw passport.some1stuck britney in my passport."

http://plixi.com/p/57112914

huhhh!!!!

The on going joke among drivers is that Nico Rosberg is known as Brittney (as in B. Spears) because of his long blonde hair.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:48 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 10):
What I also would love to see is a return of Kimi with Ferrari, but that wont probably happen, just me dreaming!

As much as he was very talented, and he did win the WDC for Ferrari, I prefer someone that looks a little happy at least when he wins a race. Kimi was just too depressing!

Quoting codeshare (Reply 5):
Major changes:
107% rule in qualifying returns.

what's the point?
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:17 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 12):
what's the point?

To make sure Virgin, HRT & Lotus don't just parade around the back, I'd imagine. Give them a reason to push the development so that they can actually qualify decently.

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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:30 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 13):
Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 12):
what's the point?

To make sure Virgin, HRT & Lotus don't just parade around the back, I'd imagine. Give them a reason to push the development so that they can actually qualify decently.

And they've frequently been outside 107%. So unless they find some pace over the summer then we could be looking at some pretty bare grids next season.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:47 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 13):
Give them a reason to push the development so that they can actually qualify decently.

How about we give them a chance? They are years behind the current teams. Rules should be amended to give teams at the back extra testing, especially new entrants.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:01 pm

I'm sure there will be some high profile sackings at Ferrari....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/nov/15/ferrari-formulaone
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:21 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
They certainly could not fire Rubens considering all the experience he has.

But, on the contrary, he isn't winning anything. I know Williams aren't exactly the first rate team they used to be in the 70s/80s, but he isn't doing brilliantly, only OK. I think for the majority of his career he has been a great driver in a crap car (barring Ferrari where he was a good driver with a good car who had to play second fiddle), but he had a WDC winning car last year (Button won it in an identical car) and he placed 3rd, 18 points behind Button. He's the 2nd oldest driver now too, and that is working against him.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):

I hope Hulkenberg will be hired by another team. He certainly has talent.

Indeed. I think in the right car, he'd be a very good driver.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:31 am

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 15):

How about we give them a chance? They are years behind the current teams. Rules should be amended to give teams at the back extra testing, especially new entrants.

They've had a year. Its not all of the new comers were all the same speed. It was painfully obvious that the HRT's were slower than the Lotus cars. Really, the 107% rule is only going to hurt 2 teams, HRT & Virgin. Lotus with the Renault engines should be easily within the 107%. Even HRT might be ok with the Williams partnership, depending on what their car ends up being. Virgin stands to probably be the big loser.

Do the new teams deserve extra testing? Probably. Should they get to just parade around at the back of the race, using the race as a test? No.

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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:51 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 4):
Actually Hulkenberg didn't get fired. He declined to be degraded to some low life team at the back of the grid. I think he made a smart move cause he's way too talented to let a good F1 future fade away while he's being stuck at the back of the grid. He deserves better and he knows it.

Hülkenberg is leaving because he isn't a big moneymaker for Williams. Frankie needs sponsors, and with hiring Pastor Maldonado, he'll likely gain a major sponsor with PDVSA (thus gets indirectly sponsored by Hugo Chávez).

Quoting codeshare (Reply 5):
107% rule in qualifying returns.

I feel that they should also drop the three-round qualifying system and re-introduce the single 60 minute session along with 107%. At least 107% will weed out the bad seeds and maybe force those in the rear of the grid to turn things up instead of doing their laps.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:10 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
"checked in dubai.receptionist was shocked when she saw passport.some1stuck britney in my passport."
Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
The on going joke among drivers is that Nico Rosberg is known as Brittney (as in B. Spears) because of his long blonde hair.

Well he was also voted the "Most beautiful woman in F1"

Quote:
In the poll “most beautiful woman” in the F1 paddock, everybody agreed that French reporter Marion Jolles would have to take the No 1 spot. However, there was one interesting vote given to... Mercedes GP's driver Nico Rosberg, whom his former mechanics at Williams code-name “Britney” (Spears).
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:21 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 13):
To make sure Virgin, HRT & Lotus don't just parade around the back, I'd imagine. Give them a reason to push the development so that they can actually qualify decently.

yes, but at the same time without the rule they can have their drivers gain racing expereince. With ot without the rule they will end up last every race anyway
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:21 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Money is the winner. It is probably that Pastor Maldonado will get the Hulk's seat... meh....

I hope Hulkenberg will be hired by another team. He certainly has talent

As a Williams fan I am very disappointed by their decision to let Hulkenberg go. Hulkenberg has a lot of talent, and I do hope he gets hired by another team. It would be a shame if he is lost to F1.

I never thought that Williams would stoop so low as to get rid of someone who is clearly an emerging talent and sign a no-name pay driver. I don't think this is the way for Williams to move forward. Sir Frank managed to run a team from a phone box while bankrupt. If that's what it takes to rebuild this team then let's do it.

Maldonado may be GP2 champion this year, but one quote from the Wiki site stands out:

Quote:
Maldonado was often overshadowed by team-mate Nico Hülkenberg,

Williams are replacing a young, talented Hulkenberg with someone older who was quite soundly beaten by Hulkenberg when they were teammates. Ergo, they are replacing Hulkenberg with someone less talented.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:59 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 22):
As a Williams fan I am very disappointed by their decision to let Hulkenberg go. Hulkenberg has a lot of talent, and I do hope he gets hired by another team. It would be a shame if he is lost to F1.

If you read the Autosport article it says that Williams made Hulkenberg a multi year offer which would have meant spending 2011 at HRT. However Hulkenberg chose to leave Williams. So it's incorrect to say that Williams let him go.

An it should also be noted that Maldonado has not been confirmed at Williams yet, and I believe is also testing for HRT this week, even though it is likely he will go there (who would choose HRT over Williams if given the choice?)
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:39 pm

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 15):
How about we give them a chance?

I can agree with that. Success in this sport doesn't come within 1, 2, or even 3 years.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 16):
I'm sure there will be some high profile sackings at Ferrari....

Interesting point is that it doesn't matter how good Alonso is at setting up and drive the car if the team is not able to help him out from the pit wall with the strategy. In my mind this tactical mistake is a very poor one coming from a team like Ferrari. Even though I might not like Montezemolo that much, it would not make things all that much betterblaming it on to fire him.
But of course, lets start kick people as we need to blame it on someone.  
How about blaming it on Ferrari as a team and brand!? Oh no, we can't have that as someone might even talk bad about Ferrari. geee........
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:18 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 24):
Interesting point is that it doesn't matter how good Alonso is at setting up and drive the car if the team is not able to help him out from the pit wall with the strategy. In my mind this tactical mistake is a very poor one coming from a team like Ferrari. Even though I might not like Montezemolo that much, it would not make things all that much betterblaming it on to fire him.

And Italian politics is a pillar of integrity. I don't think anyone will be listening to this whack job.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:25 am

If Mercedes have any sense they'll snap up Hulkenberg in an instant to be its reserve driver for 2011, able to slot into Schumacher's seat when he realises he's fighting a losing battle to get on the pace with the Vettels, Hamiltons and Alonsos of this world - and Rosberg for that matter.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:08 pm

Quoting cornish (Reply 26):
If Mercedes have any sense they'll snap up Hulkenberg in an instant to be its reserve driver for 2011, able to slot into Schumacher's seat when he realises he's fighting a losing battle to get on the pace with the Vettels, Hamiltons and Alonsos of this world - and Rosberg for that matter.

A great idea there and very beneficial for both the team and Nico Hulkenberg if it happens.

I would like to see Schumi staying for the 2011 season but I doubt he will stay for much longer after that. Schumi is such a character.

I wouldn't mind seeing him staying another year. He has such a controversial personality. I like these types. There are few in F1. I guess he can afford to be who he wants just because of his brilliant past. We can't really expect top results from him anymore as there is so much young talent in F1 now..

Now if Nico Hulkenberg had the seat after Schumi we would have two very gifted drivers, Nico and Nico, which would be rather beneficial for the team. Will it materialize t hough... that's a whole different story.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:34 pm

I just realised I posted the below in the wrong F1 thread   


The testing days for new drivers are over. Here are the times of the last day:

1. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) 1'38"102 (77 laps)
2. Jerome D'Ambrosio (Renault) 1'38"802 (83)
3. Sam Bird (Mercedes) 1'39"220 (82)
4. Gary Paffett (McLaren) 1'39"760 (84)
5. Jules Bianchi (Ferrari) 1'39"916 (93)
6. Sergio Perez (Sauber) 1'40"543 (91)
7. Paul di Resta (Force India) 1'40"901 (27)
8. Pastor Maldonado (Williams) 1'40"944 (81)
9. Jean-Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso) 1'40"974 (61)
10. Yelmer Buurman (Force India) 1'41"178 (67)
11. Davide Valsecchi (Hispania) 1'43"013 (32)
12. Luiz Razia (Virgin) 1'43"525 (70)
13. Josef Kral (Hispania) 1'44"143 (61)
14. Rodolfo Gonzalez (Lotus) 1'44"312 (41)
15. Vladimir Arabadzhiev (Lotus) 1'45"723 (49)

Please note that 3 drivers were faster than Vettel's pole postion last week (1’39’394). It might not be very relevant to compare because settings might not be the same, but if you take Ricciardo, for example, being 1.2 seconds faster on the same car is still an impressive achievement.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:44 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 28):
I just realised I posted the below in the wrong F1 thread

This deserves one of those "Thanks for sharing" moments  (I still haven't given up on the lifetime ban of you)

Hulkenberg has been linked to Ferrari as well as to Force India. If any of our German speaking members care to check the article in Auto motor und sport and translate it, please.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:01 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 29):
This deserves one of those "Thanks for sharing" moments

You're actually responsible for opening an off-season thread so early after the last GP.

I'll blame my mistake on you   
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:22 pm

According to what Jean Todt is saying on autosport they will be looking at new tracks if they allow overtaking: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88389

Perhaps a small light in the tunnel. Or time to say bye bye to HT  

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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:49 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 31):
According to what Jean Todt is saying on autosport they will be looking at new tracks if they allow overtaking

I don't think tracks are the real problem for overtaking, but the cars themselves.

Formula 1 cars have too much downforce. And maybe too much electronics. If they could let the drivers drive and not playing computer with all the buttons on the steering wheel and all these functions to paramater, I would like to believe we could improve the situation.

I wonder how cars from the 70s or 80s would do on a modern track   
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:34 am

Quoting codeshare (Reply 31):
Or time to say bye bye to HT

You know, I was watching a TV show that had a clip about Tilke Engineering...and how he designs a track.

three things lept out at me when watching that clip.

1. He loves using the Nordschliefe (I butchered the spelling) as a basis of tracks, but I think he fails to realize that one of the main things about that track is that it has a lot of elevation change

2. He is (VERY) often restricted by forces outside his control, road access to track dictating where things are, wind conditions, drain systems, terrain...etc.

3. He tries to emulate various segments after parts of tracks he's already done based on Feedback.. I think China's first sector is almost identical to Sepang's first sector....mostly becasue it's actually fun to watch during a start.... I think Turkey's turn 8 will be a part of the new Austin track...etc.

I think a perfect track has to incorporate some elevation change....and that is why Abu Dhabi is so boring...If it wasn't just a flat track it might be epic.

Thank good it looks like India will have some elevation change for next year.
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:21 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 28):
Please note that 3 drivers were faster than Vettel's pole postion last week (1’39’394). It might not be very relevant to compare because settings might not be the same, but if you take Ricciardo, for example, being 1.2 seconds faster on the same car is still an impressive achievement.

I hope Williams are having second thoughts about getting Maldonado. Based upon these times, it seems that Ricciardo is hot property.

I can't explain it, but I have a bad feeling about Williams signing Maldonado. It's a gut feeling, and I hope I'm proven wrong if he signs on for Williams next year, but I think he might be a dud.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:04 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 34):
I can't explain it, but I have a bad feeling about Williams signing Maldonado. It's a gut feeling, and I hope I'm proven wrong if he signs on for Williams next year, but I think he might be a dud.

It took him four or five seasons to become GP2 champion, Hulkenberg did it in one - as Maldonado's team mate no less.

I'd much rather they'd kept Nico, but clearly there must be some very serious financial worries for them to take this decision as you have to go back to Williams formative years in the 1970s to see the last time they had a pay driver. And they are taking a massive sponsorship hit in the close season. They have a large team and a lot of staff and i would expect there will be redundacies too. I gather Rubens is taken a pay cut to stay as well.

You sense that Williams wanted to keep Rubens and Nico but the financial viability of the team meant they couldnt keep both.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:11 pm

Quoting cornish (Reply 35):
You sense that Williams wanted to keep Rubens and Nico but the financial viability of the team meant they couldnt keep both.

If I was Rubens, I'd offer to drive for free. He's been around long enough and earnt enough money. Might as well save Williams several million pounds in the process. But I'm not him, and there are other considerations he had to make, and obviously he has a family to support.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:46 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 28):
1. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull) 1'38"102 (77 laps)

wow, that is FAST!

Are these tests done mainly for testing the Pirelli's?
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:55 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 37):

Are these tests done mainly for testing the Pirelli's?

Nope, they were still with Bridgestone tyres.

Today was the first day with the Pirelli tyres for everybody (all teams are still in Abu Dhabi). Here are the times:

1. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1'40"170 (94 laps)
2. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 1'40"500 (77)
3. Gary Paffett (McLaren) 1'40"874 (94)
4. Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber) 1'40"950 (83)
5. Robert Kubica (Renault) 1'41"032 (39)
6. Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 1'41"425 (91)
7. Paul di Resta (Force India) 1'41"615 (20)
8. Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 1'41"778 (81)
9. Jaime Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 1'42"019 (71)
10. Adrian Sutil (Force India) 1'42"859 (20)
11. Timo Glock (Virgin) 1'44"124 (78)
12. Heikki Kovalainen (Lotus) 1'44"686 (88)
13. Pastor Maldonado (Hispania) 1'45"728 (83)
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:08 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I would like to see Schumi staying for the 2011 season but I doubt he will stay for much longer after that



I dont see what Schumi has to bring to F1 and what F1 can bring to him? He clearly failed this season, well below everyone's expectations and even his owns I dare to say.

Quoting sudden (Reply 29):
This deserves one of those "Thanks for sharing" moments (I still haven't given up on the lifetime ban of you)



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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:29 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 39):
I dont see what Schumi has to bring to F1 and what F1 can bring to him? He clearly failed this season, well below everyone's expectations and even his owns I dare to say.

He is Schumi a 7 times Formula 1 champion, something that has yet to be equalled and I think it will take a while for others to equal or surpass this record. He has a bizarre character but this is what comes with the man.

I would rather see him racing than any other mediocre driver. I hope we will see hm racing again in 2011.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:36 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 38):
1. Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1'40"170 (94 laps)
2. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 1'40"500 (77)

a little too late there Felipe ....
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:40 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
He is Schumi a 7 times Formula 1 champion,



Not to diminish his record or anything like that (hey, I mean I love him, didnt he drive for Ferrari? ) but that is the past, and that cant make him win any races all the less the WDC next season. If he after all drives next year I will be more than happy to see him finish on the podium or even win a GP, but I seriously dont see that being a regular sight. Take a look at this season, how many times did he beat Rosberg in qualifying or in the race? Very rarely even though they both had the same car. That should at least say something about his form.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:01 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 30):
You're actually responsible for opening an off-season thread so early after the last


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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 36):
If I was Rubens, I'd offer to drive for free. He's been around long enough and earnt enough money.


So when you reach for ex. the age of 55 you would say to your employer that you would work for free? Same deal actually. Even though most of us are not close to earning what these guys earn, it's the same principal. Rubens should not, and will not, sell himself for free.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 39):
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Who? What? You?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
He is Schumi a 7 times Formula 1 champion, something that has yet to be equalled and I think it will take a while for others to equal or surpass this record


And because of his record the public expects him to deliver! So what you wrote actually just work against him. Schumi simply don't stand a chance against the young drivers who grabs the WDC titles these days. Lots have happened since he left. More then he asked for. And lets not blame it on the car as Rosberg did pretty well in both chassis.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:44 pm

Schumi did well... considering he was not in a car for so long, also remember before he started F1 he was young and came from the Sauber-MB (prototype class) team so he had no lack of speed.. what was he doing before his return??? farting around on bikes (no offence to any biker  )...

Nico sure has the speed but his performance shows the MB was not as good as it should have been compare to the Brawn car a year before... but I am sure RB & MB will bring a much better car for the 2011 season ...

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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:49 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 43):
So when you reach for ex. the age of 55 you would say to your employer that you would work for free? Same deal actually. Even though most of us are not close to earning what these guys earn, it's the same principal. Rubens should not, and will not, sell himself for free.

Fair point. F1 is a business - it's a job to these drivers, and no, I probably wouldn't tell my employer that I'd work for free.

But if my job was an F1 driver, and as a life long Williams fan, got the opportunity to work with Sir Frank and Patrick, and I knew Williams needed to cut costs ... I was probably talking from my biased perspective as a fan of the team rather than an employee.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:05 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 45):
Fair point. F1 is a business - it's a job to these drivers, and no, I probably wouldn't tell my employer that I'd work for free.


It was a friendly remark from my side, so don't take it as I was taking the pi$$ at you.  
Although, Rubens might have enough $$$ to get around, but seeing all the work the drivers put in between races I think it's remarkable that they are able to stay awake behind the wheel on Sundays. 
Hense why I don't think he should work for free.
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:23 am

Ricciardo Friday test driver for STR during every race in 2011.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88501

Not to say that it's odd, but I can not recall that any team had a dedicated Friday driver before. Feel free to slap me may I be wrong. Which I know you will even without me saying so. 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:06 pm

Well what we already knew has been confirmed. Maldonado will drive for Williams next year.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88547

And Alonso says he's in the best form of his career. He certainly did show in the latter half of the year that he is in good form.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88537
 
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RE: F1 2010-2011 Off Season

Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:48 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 48):
Well what we already knew has been confirmed. Maldonado will drive for Williams next year.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...88547

 

Maldonado will be a mobile chicane. Williams will have to rely on Barrichello to score the majority of the points next year. I really hope Barrichello has his best ever season next year, because the entire Williams team's hopes will be on his shoulders.

What are Williams thinking? Hulkenberg was a future star. We should've done more to keep him, and attract new sponsors via improved on track performance, as well as better prize money from the FIA for finishing higher up in the constructor's standings. Without Hulkenberg, that'd be all but impossible. Williams will most likely lose to Force India in the constructor's standings for next year now, because Barrichello will be the one to score at least 90% of the team's points.

I am not happy with this driver selection at all.  
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