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Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:27 pm

Can you imagine a male passenger bothering 3 women (two of them as flight attendants) while onboard? Well, this happened last February 16, 2010 on United Flight 245 from Chicago to Denver. Yesterday, the jury found the passenger guilty. He faces up to 20 years of prison time and heavy monetary punishment.

He was charged for grabbing a flight attendant's buttocks as well as for going to throw a glass of water on her.

http://denver.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/dn111510.htm

How many years in prison do you think this passenger should serve? I say 4 years.
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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:13 pm

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):
How many years in prison do you think this passenger should serve? I say 4 years.

You know, we are waay to prison happy around here. Prison time (and costs) for something that is relatively minor on the grand scale of things.

Should it have happened? No. Should he suffer punishment for it? Yes. Four years or up to twenty years in prison for it? No. I say a fine, time served (if he has), and no more flying. Let him bear the costs of his actions, not everyone else. Make you a bet he'll end up on a "sex offenders" list somewhere as well, which is a crock.

Consequences requiring prison time should be due to actual harm done, not this minor crap.

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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:27 pm

Well geez, I hope it was worth it. Are United's flight attendants 20 years material?
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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:30 pm

From the link:



"Specifically, Johnson assaulted a flight attendant by grabbing her buttocks, and intimidated her by throwing a glass of water at her."

"During that same flight, Johnson assaulted two other women, one of whom was another flight attendant."

"He also knowingly and intentionally engaged in sexual contact with another woman without her consent aboard the flight."

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
No. I say a fine, time served (if he has)

You really think a fine is enough? I say ten years, and that, if the assaulted females agree.
 
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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:18 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
You really think a fine is enough? I say ten years, and that, if the assaulted females agree.

Was it true "assault"? Did harm occur? Does he have a history of this type of behavior and actions? I understand it should not have happened and he needs to be punished but my suggestion of a fine (and certainly make it a substantial one) and no flying? That is not punishment?

In my opinion prison time really needs to be for people who harm, who damage society and the people they encounter. People who injure others, or repeatedly bother others in ways that do harm, or the obvious crimes of murder and attempted murder, drunk driving (which does not get jail time), sexual harm to minors, etc. Not this kind of stuff. For this you do community service, pay fines, have restrictions placed on you, etc.

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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:42 am

Quoting September11 (Thread starter):

How many years in prison do you think this passenger should serve? I say 4 years.

7-10. At least. At his age, he isn't going to learn different behaviors.

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
You know, we are waay to prison happy around here. Prison time (and costs) for something that is relatively minor on the grand scale of things.

I look at it this way: short of actually causing people to be hurt or killed because of "interference with a flight crew", judge it the same way you would if this happened on a bus, or on the street, or in someone's home.

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
Make you a bet he'll end up on a "sex offenders" list somewhere as well, which is a crock.

Well, he did sexually assault at least two people. The only problem I have with sex offender lists is that they either are too hard on people that don't deserve it, or not hard enough on the people that do.

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
Not this kind of stuff.

Obviously you've never been sexually assaulted.
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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:58 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
Obviously you've never been sexually assaulted.

Obviously you don't know and shouldn't claim to know what one person has been through. There are reasons for my views and they are based on my life experiences.

There is a difference between a "hard" sexual assault and groping. Once. We are wasting our time and resources on weak, petty crimes when it should be hard time for serious crimes that truly harm people, scar lives, and impact society.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
I look at it this way: short of actually causing people to be hurt or killed because of "interference with a flight crew", judge it the same way you would if this happened on a bus, or on the street, or in someone's home.

I am.

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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:30 am

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
Was it true "assault"? Did harm occur?

I would assume so given the federal complaint was filed against him and the grand jury agreed. Most of these plead out so if he was found guilty, he is for sure done. It does not say, but it sounds like he's been in federal custody since February?

Quoting tugger (Reply 4):
Does he have a history of this type of behavior and actions?

I think that's irrelevant to this degree of offense. If you're talking about removing someone of their driving privileges for speeding or restitution for a crime, you take into account their personal story and history in relation to the offense. However, for sexual assault and the endangerment of a airliner, take it at face value.

Quoting tugger (Reply 6):
There is a difference between a "hard" sexual assault and groping. Once. We are wasting our time and resources on weak, petty crimes when it should be hard time for serious crimes that truly harm people, scar lives, and impact society.

I think publicly groping multiple individuals qualifies for sexual assault and any related lists that may qualify due to a guilty verdict. I agree, public intoxication or urinating in public offenders should not be qualifiers for the sexual offenders list (as has been the case many times) as there is a difference there. If a drunk person drops their pants and relieves themselves on a public road, they are doing so as a direct result of their partying and are often going home or finding their way after a bar closes. When flying on an airplane, there is a widespread understanding that is clear to new and old flyers that professionalism is to be maintained both at the airport and in the aircraft.
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RE: Crazy Male On United Flight Last Feb Found Guilty

Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:22 pm

6 months on probation at the most, if at all. How can you send people for 10 or 20 years in prison for such petty stuff? There was no big harm done, nobody got hurt or killed, so what? A slap in the face would have done it as well. Or would that have been attempted murder?

Remember the famous press conference with Boris Yeltzin and Clinton, where he pinched one or both of the ladies (guess they were interretors) into the bottom? Clinton almost died laughing. Now, Yeltzin had immunity as head of state and his punishment was that he made a fool of himself. After all, he was the first likeable Russian head of state.
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