Ken777
Topic Author
Posts: 9024
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:39 am

Victory For Murkowski

Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:13 pm

It looks like enough Alaskans remember how to spell the lady's name:

Quote:
As Senator Lisa Murkowski flew home to Alaska on Wednesday, the Associated Press declared her the winner of her long-shot write-in bid for re-election.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/us/politics/18alaska.html?hp

There are obviously a lot of stories on this, but in the end the TP and Palin looks to have lost - at home for Palin.
 
AGM100
Posts: 5077
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:05 pm

Yes ..it appears ... Mrs. Smithowski won the election. Of course the voter intended M-u-r-k-o-w-s-k-i... but hey ! 

As a Republican ... she is symbolic of all that is wrong with the party. But ... she was not about to lose daddy's seat , especially to a Palin backed candidate .
You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
 
Ken777
Topic Author
Posts: 9024
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:39 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:19 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 1):
As a Republican ... she is symbolic of all that is wrong with the party.

Actually she appears to be one of those situations where the Republicans eat their own. This time it didn't work. Actually it didn't work with the Witch either.

Maybe if Joe had shaved more often . . .
 
mbmbos
Posts: 2566
Joined: Sat May 27, 2000 4:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:25 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
Maybe if Joe had shaved more often . . .

His palms?
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:34 am

Congrats to Lisa Murkowski.
Glad to see Palin and her tea party defeated on their home turf.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
Maybe if Joe had shaved more often . . .

You know I wonder if Sarah shav........oh never mind.   
Bring back the Concorde
 
jpetekyxmd80
Posts: 3957
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:37 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 1):
As a Republican ... she is symbolic of all that is wrong with the party.

I completely disagree with that sentiment. Miller is a nut job, and if he couldn't beat a write in candidate he beat in the primary, its clear that became apparent to Alaskans. Good riddance to his 15 minutes.
The Best Care in the Air, 1984-2009
 
usxguy
Posts: 919
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:28 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:17 am

Not so fast (and yes, I voted for Lisa).

Joe *REFUSES* to concede the race, he was just on one of the local Anchorage stations saying "its not over", which as much as I'd love to bash him for saying he'd give up if the numbers don't go his way, Lisa kinda did the same thing.

I'd much rather have Lisa in office than that nut job Joe. Lisa is one of the more 'centrist' Republicans in the Senate, and hopefully she remains more moderate as the GOP has been hit with some of these Tea ba.. Party candidates.
xx
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:22 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 5):
Good riddance to his 15 minutes.

  
Now he joins the round file with Joe The Plumber.

Sarah seems to have a thing for guys named Joe.
Bring back the Concorde
 
blueflyer
Posts: 3625
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:17 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:26 am

Quoting USXguy (Reply 6):
Joe *REFUSES* to concede the race

If the secretary of state (or whoever is ultimately in charge of elections in Alaska) declares a winner, does it even matter that he doesn't concede?

[Edited 2010-11-17 21:32:55]
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has no clothes.
 
jpetekyxmd80
Posts: 3957
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:35 am

I love how he won't count any of the contested ballots because some 'unelected bureaucrat' made a decision on it. What does he want, ballot counting to be a partisan elected office? Love how 'bureaucrat' becomes so derogatory for necessary jobs in government. What an idiot, and an asshole. Bye Joe.
The Best Care in the Air, 1984-2009
 
AGM100
Posts: 5077
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:46 pm

Quoting USXguy (Reply 6):
'centrist'



Insert "Democrat "...... Nothing wrong with being a "centrist" I guess , but just run as a democrat . She essentially ran on a democrat platform of government help for all your problems. Same old big government routine ... that is fine and as a citizen you should have the choice to vote for that if that is what you want. But , to me she is is the wrong party .

As far as Joe goes .... I don't know the guy . It was just a interesting political drama going on up there ..... but he was definitely talking as a TEA partier on the national stage. He should concede and be done with it at this point ....

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
Actually she appears to be one of those situations where the Republicans eat their own.



Nope ..the GOP assisted her more than Joe. But not allot of Money was spent up there from what I heard. The GOP is happy she won ... trust me , the old establishment is glad to see Palin get zinged on this one.....As they were with the "witch".

Love the name calling you libs dish out ... so tolerant , loving and caring for others....  
You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
 
fridgmus
Posts: 1296
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:28 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:40 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):

You know I wonder if Sarah shav........oh never mind

Don't tease me like that 'Fly, I don't know if my heart can take it!

Back on topic, I was really surprised Lisa Murkowski won. Let's hope she, along with the rest of her colleagues can do some good, especially on the trainwreck known as our economy!

F
The Lockheed Super Constellation, the REAL Queen of the Skies!
 
jpetekyxmd80
Posts: 3957
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:26 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
Insert "Democrat "...... Nothing wrong with being a "centrist" I guess , but just run as a democrat .

I'd like to see you try and explain how that logic makes the slightest bit of sense.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
She essentially ran on a democrat platform of government help for all your problems.

 

Talking points with no foundation.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):

Love the name calling you libs dish out ... so tolerant , loving and caring for others....

wtf?
The Best Care in the Air, 1984-2009
 
cargolex
Posts: 1201
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:20 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:38 pm

Insert "Democrat "...... Nothing wrong with being a "centrist" I guess , but just run as a democrat . She essentially ran on a democrat platform of government help for all your problems. Same old big government routine ... that is fine and as a citizen you should have the choice to vote for that if that is what you want. But , to me she is is the wrong party .

With all due respect, I'm perfectly happy to hear opinions about Murkowski, but her voting record and political positions simply do not factually support this statement. She only appears to be a moderate when compared with really hard right guys like Jim DeMint. She votes overwhelmingly with Republicans and has very strong conservative beliefs. I don't think there's anybody in congress who would identify her as a "liberal" or a RINO who isn't on the VERY far right.
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:55 am

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 11):
Don't tease me like that 'Fly, I don't know if my heart can take it!


You can have Sarah, I'll take Christine O'Donnell. Her landscape has been verified.  
Quoting fridgmus (Reply 11):
Back on topic, I was really surprised Lisa Murkowski won. Let's hope she, along with the rest of her colleagues can do some good, especially on the trainwreck known as our economy!


  
Agreed.
Alaska now has two moderate level-headed Senators from both parties. Though Alaska is small in population, it's very rich in natural resources, particularly oil. It would be political suicide to have a loony-toon representing this state in Washington. He would have been worse than Mike Gravel.
Bring back the Concorde
 
Okie
Posts: 3532
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:30 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:40 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 1):
As a Republican ... she is symbolic of all that is wrong with the party


Perception, Perception
According to the linked article only 24% of the votes went to the Democrat.
76% voted non Democrat.

That is a absolutely positively a severe stomping of the Democrat candidate and policies.

Okie
 
cargolex
Posts: 1201
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:20 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:30 pm

First, it's Democratic candidate. Not Democrat Candidate.

Second, it's a conservative state. Want to see how badly the Republicans who ran against Daniel Inouye and Byron Dorgen got beaten?

What's weird about the Alaska Senate race is not only that it was a three-way with a write-in candidate winning, but also how the candidates viewed the election.

Miller campaigned almost exclusively on national issues - many of which Alaska would be on the wrong side of if he'd been elected. As a state, Alaska lives on the largess of the Federal Government. It receives more tax dollars back from the government in the form of support than it contributes. Many of Miller's national agenda plans would have hurt things like subsidized air service within Alaska - a vital service. Miller seriously handicapped himself by doing things like saying unemployment insurance was unconstitutional, refusing to answer questions about his experience and history, and at one point praising Communist East Germany for it's "effective border control." Initial enthusiasm for him greatly declined as he pursued this course. I believe if he had not made statements like this, he'd have done better. It was sort of his policy to view the media as the enemy - a national tea party strategy also pursued by people like Sharron Angle - but he went too far with it. Voters have a right to ask questions. If you want to be taken seriously you'd better be prepared to answer them.

Murkowski focused on beating Miller. She did promote her record, but she didn't offer that much which was new information or new policies. She did say, however, that she would be towing the line for Republicans if she were elected, not going independent like Bernie Sanders or Joe Lieberman. They are both independents who caucus primarily with the Democrats. Murkowski wasn't able to do this for a variety of reasons and had to pursue the write-in. From Alaskans point of view, she represents more of the same Ted Stevens like policies, and if you ask most Alaskans which senator did more for the state than any other, they'll point to Stevens, RIP. Murkowski still hasn't won more than 50% of the vote in her two elections.

Scott McAdams chose to run a campaign that focused almost exclusively on local issues, and promote his local ties to industry and his record in Sitka. McAdams weaknesses stem mostly from his lack of experience - only a two year term as mayor and some city council/school board posts before that. I think for many Alaskans his straight-up local talk was outweighed by the hype around the two conservatives and McAdams' perceived lack of experience. But if anybody ran a campaign in this race that talked directly to people on the ground, it was McAdams. I think he'd have been a good choice relative to business-as-usual and "that Berlin wall sure was great," but I don't think he ever polled above 30%.

I think Alaskans are also wary of getting burned again as they did with Sarah Palin. The general wisdom in other places is that Alaska is Sarah Palin's strongest area, her home turf. She's actually not very popular with Alaskans - in fact her numbers compare basically to Obama's numbers in Alaska - which is to say, they're not very good. That's what happens when you ditch your constituents without fulfilling your obligation, no matter how much your policies match up with what they want. McAdams on paper looks alot like Palin did when she was first elected as Governor - though they couldn't be more different policy and personality wise. I could see this being a detriment to him.
 
AGM100
Posts: 5077
Joined: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:07 pm

I retract my opposition to the lady .... I read her voting record last night. Good conservative.... I agree with about 95% of her votes . The right person won ...

I just happen to here one of her campaign speeches a few weeks ago .... sorry it sounded more like a Democrat. " I wanna go to Washington and create jobs for AK" ???... no exactly the message a TEA party type was looking for. But hey ...it is nice to see so many on here are glad a conservative won .  
You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
 
Ken777
Topic Author
Posts: 9024
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:39 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:06 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
Nothing wrong with being a "centrist" I guess , but just run as a democrat

So moderates are no longer wanted in the Republican Party?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
Love the name calling you libs dish out ... so tolerant , loving and caring for others.

Love the name calling you conservatives dish out ... so tolerant , loving and caring for others.  
Quoting fridgmus (Reply 11):
I don't know if my heart can take it!

There are some things in this world I really don't want to know about - and that is really, really near the top.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 13):
I don't think there's anybody in congress who would identify her as a "liberal" or a RINO who isn't on the VERY far right.

It's the Sarah Palins in the country who went after her. And lost.

While I don't expect her to change parties I do think she is smart enough to figure out where Joe's money came from and to ensure she does no favors for them.
 
User avatar
kc135topboom
Posts: 10997
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:22 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 11):
I was really surprised Lisa Murkowski won. Let's hope she, along with the rest of her colleagues can do some good, especially on the trainwreck known as our economy!
Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Alaska now has two moderate level-headed Senators from both parties. Though Alaska is small in population, it's very rich in natural resources, particularly oil. It would be political suicide to have a loony-toon representing this state in Washington. He would have been worse than Mike Gravel.

Moderates are middle of the road raod kill, on the double wellow stripe. Liberals and Conservitives at leats stand up for what they believe in.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 16):
First, it's Democratic candidate. Not Democrat Candidate.

There is nothing democratic about the Democrat party.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
So moderates are no longer wanted in the Republican Party?

No, we want people who will stand up for what they (and we) believe in. You forgot to mention that moderats in the democrat Party are not welcomed, either.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Love the name calling you conservatives dish out ... so tolerant , loving and caring for others.

Just like liberals, aren't we?

I might add that Senator Murkowski said she would fully support who ever won the Alaska GOP Primary election. She lost that election to Miller, by a sizable percentage. She kept her word, didn't she?
 
cws818
Posts: 824
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:42 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:55 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
Moderates are middle of the road raod kill, on the double wellow stripe. Liberals and Conservitives at leats stand up for what they believe in.

Only liberals and conservatives have beliefs?
volgende halte...Station Hollands Spoor
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:58 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
Moderates are middle of the road raod kill, on the double wellow stripe. Liberals and Conservitives at leats stand up for what they believe in.

Enjoy the 112th. Congress because that is all you have left.
The biggest losers of the 2010 election cycle were the moderates. All of the wacked out far leftist were sent back to Washington.
Bring back the Concorde
 
usxguy
Posts: 919
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:28 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:55 pm

Update: Joe Miller is suing the State and the courts have granted a stay on the certification of the election. Joe is grabbing at anything he can at this point (do you blame him? he's unemployed!).

And regarding the Lower 48's love of mentioning how Alaska takes in 5 times more federal tax dollars than we send, I believe our population is well below 1 million up here, we're over twice the size of Texas, and we also have the highest concentration of Natives anywhere in the States.

the yields alone between Juneau, Alaska and Seattle - a 700 mile trip - far exceeds the yields on most transcon flights between LA/SF and NY/DC. Flights between Anchorage and Adak can cost as much as a trip from NYC to Sydney.

So yeah, its a heck of a lot more expensive up here. Everything we need has to be barged up, and some communities may only get 1 ferry a week, or 1 barge a month. We don't have the luxury of "big box" retailers unless you live in Anchorage or Fairbanks. (although we do have Home Depot & Costco here in Juneau, they are significantly smaller than most of their regular stores)
xx
 
cargolex
Posts: 1201
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:20 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:08 am

And regarding the Lower 48's love of mentioning how Alaska takes in 5 times more federal tax dollars than we send, I believe our population is well below 1 million up here, we're over twice the size of Texas, and we also have the highest concentration of Natives anywhere in the States.

All the more reason a candidate like Joe Miller, who would've put many of Alaska's essential services in jeopardy, should never have gotten as far as he did. It's one thing to dislike the government, it's another to cut your nose off to spite your face.
 
Mir
Posts: 19092
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:55 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:56 am

Quoting USXguy (Reply 22):
And regarding the Lower 48's love of mentioning how Alaska takes in 5 times more federal tax dollars than we send, I believe our population is well below 1 million up here, we're over twice the size of Texas, and we also have the highest concentration of Natives anywhere in the States.

the yields alone between Juneau, Alaska and Seattle - a 700 mile trip - far exceeds the yields on most transcon flights between LA/SF and NY/DC. Flights between Anchorage and Adak can cost as much as a trip from NYC to Sydney.

So yeah, its a heck of a lot more expensive up here. Everything we need has to be barged up, and some communities may only get 1 ferry a week, or 1 barge a month. We don't have the luxury of "big box" retailers unless you live in Anchorage or Fairbanks. (although we do have Home Depot & Costco here in Juneau, they are significantly smaller than most of their regular stores)

The tea party argument would be: why is necessary for the rest of the country to subsidize such a lifestyle? If Alaska really and truly needs those subsidies, it's not sustainable anyway, and people should move to where it's affordable to live without having to lean on the government for help.

I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but it gets asked so much in relation to other things that it seems only fair to ask it in relation to all the money that Alaska gets.

-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
 
thediplomat
Posts: 77
Joined: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:59 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:23 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
it's not sustainable anyway

Lets cease exporting oil from Alaska to the lower 48 then!
 
Ken777
Topic Author
Posts: 9024
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:39 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:12 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
Liberals and Conservitives at leats stand up for what they believe in.

And moderates try to think about which side has the best idea on the various topics.

We believe that both sides have some good ideas from time to time.

And that both sides can have brain farts bad enough to wipe out the whole eastern seaboard.

Some moderates/Independents even agree with you that the KC-135s should be re-engined now instead of spending a fortune on a fleet of new tankers.

See, we do get along some time.  
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
You forgot to mention that moderats in the democrat Party are not welcomed, either.

Of course the Democrats welcomes ideas, contributions and votes from moderates - just like the Republicans.  
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):
She kept her word, didn't she?

She's a Republican who will be welcome with open arms and will be liked more than Miller would have by the Republicans at the top in the Senate. She'll have a better position on committees and will deliver more to the state than Miller could have managed.

I also believe that she will stand up for the military more than Miller would have. Probably better for the Vets as well.

Quoting USXguy (Reply 22):
So yeah, its a heck of a lot more expensive up here.

And, yeah, Alaska is the only state I know that sends out cash every year to every resident. How much was your last handout?
 
jpetekyxmd80
Posts: 3957
Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:16 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:47 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):

Moderates are middle of the road raod kill, on the double wellow stripe. Liberals and Conservitives at leats stand up for what they believe in.

LOL!! What a crock of bullshit.

Some of us have enough of a brain to think for ourselves rather than be force-fed the ever fluctuating party platform. How foolish is it to think that what people 'believe' in conveniently fall down our partisan divide. If you don't see a fair amount of hypocrisy in the basic positions of either party, you're blind. Our electoral system forces us into a 2 party system, but you are mind-numbingly naive to think that adequately represents the variety and mix of political beliefs. There are at least 4 basic dimensions for that, and a whole, whole lot of people not satisfactorily represented by D or R.

I suppose the next thing you're going to tell us is how the 'liberals' are communists or something, oh, and of course, anything but democratic...

None the less, thanks for the masterful display of everything wrong with politics in the United States, couldn't have done it better if i tried. It amused me.  
The Best Care in the Air, 1984-2009
 
Superfly
Posts: 37735
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:27 am

Quoting USXguy (Reply 22):
Joe Miller is suing the State and the courts have granted a stay on the certification of the election.

Sounds like a frivolous lawsuit to me. Now he wants activist judges to get involved.
Sounds familiar.....

Quoting USXguy (Reply 22):
Joe is grabbing at anything he can at this point (do you blame him? he's unemployed!).

Perhaps Sarah Palin can put him up over the winter months as long as he cleans up, shovels the snow from the driveway and cleans out the septic tank.

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 23):
All the more reason a candidate like Joe Miller, who would've put many of Alaska's essential services in jeopardy, should never have gotten as far as he did. It's one thing to dislike the government, it's another to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Agreed.

Quoting Mir (Reply 24):
people should move to where it's affordable to live without having to lean on the government for help.

No I'd rather them stay up there. Sarah Palin, Joe Miller, Mike Gravel and a few other Alaska folks that we know  , I'd much rather keep out of the lower 48s.
Bring back the Concorde
 
usxguy
Posts: 919
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:28 pm

RE: Victory For Murkowski

Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:48 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 26):
And, yeah, Alaska is the only state I know that sends out cash every year to every resident. How much was your last handout?

the PFD is from oil revenues and the payout is based on interest earned and dividends, as well as mineral sales & land sales Its not like a tax that's just handed out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

And back to the sidebar conversation, costs of items here are a tad higher, similar to Hawai'i because everything must be shipped into here. What's more unusual is our gas prices... we don't have a refinery in Alaska, so the oil goes down to Washington, processed, and barged back UP here... otherwise I bet our gas would be $1.50 a gallon  
xx

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: fr8mech and 8 guests