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Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:23 am

Hi!

I'm thinking about replacing my car with a Land Rover Discovery II TD5. Has anyone had one of these? If so, what were your experiences?

I currently have a Land Rover Freelander TD4. The ride comfort is ideal and the fuel economy really isn't bad for a car of its type. (37mpg) However, its off road capability is not great given that it has poor ground clearance.

Unfortunately I've developed an interest in big things. (I wonder where that came from?      ) But I do find myself driving off road quite a bit. Having a Land Rover is useful for hauling things about too. I guess you could say I'm pretty hooked on 4x4s now. Problem is, I can't decide what to replace mine with!



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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:33 am

Only thing i would suggest is...

If your buying privately, then make sure you are allowed to get it checked over by a qualified mechanic, because they are not cheap to fix if they go wrong.

If you are not allowed to get it checked over or the owner "Umm's and Ahhh's".... WALK AWAY!
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:05 am

Yes get it checked by a qualified Mechanic.
My family had a 1999 Land Rover II for many years car went over 100,000 miles. It never had a major problem and ran pretty well even after a while when we sold it. It had some minor problems though. Test drive one, it drives decent and if you can find one in good shape at a good price go for it. But some of those Rovers can have reccuring problems so get it checked out.
The Discovery is much better then a Freelander.
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:27 am

Driving an old LR 110 myself.
If you want a real offroad car, take a Discovery I or a Defender. The Discovery II has already been yuppyised.

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:41 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
Driving an old LR 110 myself.
If you want a real offroad car, take a Discovery I or a Defender. The Discovery II has already been yuppyised.

Jan

Thanks for the replies.  

Problem is, I would like a vehicle that's suitable for long trips. From what I've been told, the Defender probably isn't suitable for that unless you have (and I quote) "a desire for your internal body organs to be re-arranged." The Disco 1 is supposedly very prone to rust and I'm paranoid about rust, so I guess that wouldn't really be a viable option either unfortunately.

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:01 am

All I've heard about Land Rover's is that they're great machines... if you can get them to work  
 
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:12 am

I had a Range Rover about 2 years ago, biggest piece of crap I've ever owned. They are beautiful inside and out, but once they are out of warranty, you pump out about 2500 bucks every time something goes wrong. Also, things that should break and/or rattle, end up rattling.

My dad just bought a new Range Rover, so we'll see how his goes, but I'll stick to my German Mercedes for now.

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:41 am

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 1):
If your buying privately, then make sure you are allowed to get it checked over by a qualified mechanic, because they are not cheap to fix if they go wrong.

Replace "if they go wrong" with "when they go wrong" and you have a true statement.

Don't get me wrong--Land Rovers are wonderful pieces of engineering and are true off-road machines. But they're about as reliable as teenagers.
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:49 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
The Discovery II has already been yuppyised.

Just remember it's the man that makes the car, not the car that makes the man. Buy a car to suit your wants and needs, not to enhance your image.
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:01 am

I owned a Discovery Mark I. Only the Harley Davidson in the garage had more oil leaks. A whole range of problems over the years not related to any abuse. In fact the damn thing was never off road at all. It was very comfortable and I loved the driving position except (Being 6'5") sight lines at the top of the windshield were terrible. I often had to lean forward to see traffic lights. For long distance driving I think the high fuel consumption would be unattractive. These vehicles are majorly heavy.
 
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:03 am

Also I just want to put a suggestion for my favorite production car of all time. If you want a off road car, but one that is great on road too maybe you can find a used Touareg TDI?
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:44 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
Driving an old LR 110 myself.
If you want a real offroad car, take a Discovery I or a Defender. The Discovery II has already been yuppyised.

Jan

Discovery II is much better offroad and especially onroad than Discovery I, I've done a couplke of offroad courses when I sold these things to have learnt that.

BMW fixed the Discovery, if you buy one of the very last Discovery II's you'll have a nice trouble free car, if you're looking at the last of the II's the early III's are not a lot more, plus they are a significantly better car.
 
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:04 pm

My good friend had one for about 9 months, and got rid of it after his fourth $1,000.00 + repair in that time. It was a used vehicle, but it had less than 30K miles when he bought it. I don't think it made it to 40K before he tossed it.

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:20 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 12):
Because they haven't found a way to make a toaster leak oil yet.

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):
So that's why they make Trent 900s !

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:11 pm

Quoting richm (Thread starter):
I'm thinking about replacing my car with a Land Rover Discovery II TD5. Has anyone had one of these? If so, what were your experiences?

Good car, but reliability if a bit iffy. My dad had a 2003 one..and we kept it for a couple of years before selling it off for a huge loss. We bought the car almost new (had just 1200 kms on it) but when we sold it, I think we got less than half its original value..after just 2 years. Plus the service bills were huge (usually over $1200)..and the damn thing leaked oil all the time. I'd suggest looking for something other than a Land Rover, especially a TDI Discovery.
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:24 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 12):
Do you know why the British don't make toasters?

They make the best toasters you can get!

 
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:11 am

I wouldn't buy a Discovery. Ever. Significant expert research has shown that they combine a tendency to roll over with a poorly designed roof that is too weak and prone to cause crush injuries to the head that lead to paralysis or death. IMHO, they are one of the least safely designed cars of the last 30 years.
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:23 am

Well I'm a little late in the day coming to this thread I am an avid Lode Lane driver having only ever driven Solihull products and honestly I have never had a desire to drive any other manufactur, I am not going to deny that there are issues and that it is possible to buy bad examples and yes on my than one occasion I have come home on the back of a breakdown truck

I own currently a Land Rover Series 3 SWB 1977 currently under restoration has been round the clock a number of times, and my every day car a 2001 P38A 2.5TD Range Rover in the past I have had a 1989 Range Rover 3.9 V8 Vogue SE and 1995 Range Rover 4.0 V8 SE and I loved all of them.

Time to give my advice, don't buy from the first 2 years of production, try out everything electrical, even if it looks like a great car, if there is the slightest electrical issue I would say walk way, try and have a look at the chassis as this is where you really need to look at for rust, other than that a nice test drive testing out all the gears Hi and Low ranges.

If you follow this kind of buying advise you should not go to far.

Also I tend to find that a lot of issues that people tend to have with big garage bills comes from a lack of maintenence on there part, a land rover is like a good woman you need to look after her. so check the fluids on a regular basis and get it serviced at regular intervals it will save you money in the long run.

I hope that this has helps a little

You have said that you want better off-roading ability, if your Freelander is running well why not keep it as your every day car and buy a weekend Defender, just a thought for you

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:58 pm

OK, where can I start: buy a Disco II if:
-you're friends with the local dealer. Better still, you are the dealer.
-you're inclined to mechanically get to know your car's foibles...
-you don't mind seeing the car on the back of a tow truck.

Watch the Electrics by Lucas (the Prince of Darkness)
-can you get extended warranty?

All of this is (thankfully) not based on a direct ownership experience, but that of a close friend of mine. And he never even took it off-road. In the 100,000km that he had the Disco II for (from new), it suffered the following malfunctions:
-two transmissions had to be replaced
-engine oil pump seized (luckily he noticed in time and prevented a major engine failure).
-leaky rear diff
-power steerng pump failed
-various bits of cabin trim falling off
-various electrics failing at one time or another.

On the plus side, the Td5 Engline was a gem, torquey, economical, well able to cope with a bulky body and complement of passengers.

My brother-in-law recently purchased a Discovery 4 new, so hopefully nothing falls off it.

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:34 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
I wouldn't buy a Discovery. Ever. Significant expert research has shown that they combine a tendency to roll over with a poorly designed roof that is too weak and prone to cause crush injuries to the head that lead to paralysis or death. IMHO, they are one of the least safely designed cars of the last 30 years.

Just curious as to your sources on this?

Regarding should you get the car or not, I currently drive a 1998 Discovery I and I think its a great car. The car was bought used, with a little less than a year remaining on the factory warranty and we had a few things worked on by the dealer, including work on the transfer case and diff lock system, however the problem was not caused by a design fault, but simply because the system had never been used. Since then the car had an intermittent oil leak and a starter was replaced, but other than that the car runs like a champ. Its great in the snow and off road with no aftermarket modifications. It is also great for hauling and towing our motorboat. When these cars are taken care of they run fine, and especially on the older ones its very easy to diagnose and fix minor problems. If you are looking for something with excellent reliability this may not be the car for you, however if you want a car that can handle going to the corner shop or climbing a mountain, this is the car for you.
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:20 am

Quoting Shamrock137 (Reply 20):
Just curious as to your sources on this?

Regarding should you get the car or not, I currently drive a 1998 Discovery I and I think its a great car. The car was bought used, with a little less than a year remaining on the factory warranty and we had a few things worked on by the dealer, including work on the transfer case and diff lock system, however the problem was not caused by a design fault, but simply because the system had never been used. Since then the car had an intermittent oil leak and a starter was replaced, but other than that the car runs like a champ. Its great in the snow and off road with no aftermarket modifications. It is also great for hauling and towing our motorboat. When these cars are taken care of they run fine, and especially on the older ones its very easy to diagnose and fix minor problems. If you are looking for something with excellent reliability this may not be the car for you, however if you want a car that can handle going to the corner shop or climbing a mountain, this is the car for you.

As a LR Fan thanks for posting such a well thought post to this thread as it is fast becoming a LR bashing thread and that is simply not fair on one of the best vehicles in the world IMHO

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:15 pm

Quoting richm (Reply 4):
the Defender probably isn't suitable for that unless you have (and I quote) "a desire for your internal body organs to be re-arranged."

The Defenders are great all rounders and I can't say I've had any problems doing long trips with them. I did 400 miles the other week with a train weight of 6.9 tonnes and it never missed a beat, returning 23 mpg too! Build quality of the newer Defenders is questionable (had loads of problems with it), but in terms of drivability on-road and off-road, and as a towing vehicle, there's little in the UK that can match or beat them. I've had 3 at work and driven lots of 110/130's, the TD5 was about the best but the new ones are a bit more modern inside which has it's advantages and disadvantages. I'd take one over a 'disco for off-roading anytime but won't mention the (useless) Freelander since we broke one after 200 yards off-road!


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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:27 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):

I wouldn't buy a Discovery. Ever. Significant expert research has shown that they combine a tendency to roll over with a poorly designed roof that is too weak and prone to cause crush injuries to the head that lead to paralysis or death.

What a load of crap, sources please, for your information Discovery II with the ACE (Active Cornering Enhancement) was the flattest cornering car the BMW group made when introduced, it had less body roll than any M model.

I've never heard of a Disco rolling over unless someone was doing some extreme off roading, the Disco passed the Swedish elk test, if any manoeuvre was going to make a tall 4x4 roll over that would be the one.
 
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
I wouldn't buy a Discovery. Ever. Significant expert research has shown that they combine a tendency to roll over with a poorly designed roof that is too weak and prone to cause crush injuries to the head that lead to paralysis or death. IMHO, they are one of the least safely designed cars of the last 30 years.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
What a load of crap

I would fully agree with you there. If they were that prone to rolling, they wouldn't have been given a roadworthyness certificate. Any vehicle with a high centre of gravity when changing direction quickly are more prone to rolling than vehicles with a lower centre of gravity. But to suggest a Discovery is more prone to rolling than any others is total rubbish. They can handle 35 degree traverses angles (and believe me, you'll bottle it before the car!). I drive Landrovers with a much higher centre of gravity than a disco for a living, on and off-road (see above). You need to know how to drive them and know their limitations, you can't jump out of a saloon or hatchback and drive a high CoG vehicle in the same way. That said, you'd have to do something really stupid to roll one. The 130 in the first photo above has been on it's side once when off-road, the river bank callapsed on us (you can't blame that on Landrover!).

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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:35 pm

A joke doing the rounds at BMW when they took over Land Rover:

Q: "Apart from the Great Wall of China, what's the only man-made object visible from space?"
A: "The panel gaps on a Discovery!"

OK so it's not particularly funny....

Older Land Rovers are great if you're prepared to put time an effort in - I have many friends living in more remote areas who swear by them (and occassionally AT them) - but they are not for me, I prefer an easy life and a car that I know will start even at -16 degrees centigrade!

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):
So that's why they make Trent 900s !

Going to treat that with the contempt it deserves......................




 
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RE: Land Rover Discovery II - Should I Buy?

Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:54 am

Quoting Shamrock137 (Reply 20):

Just curious as to your sources on this?
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
What a load of crap, sources please, for your information Discovery II with the ACE (Active Cornering Enhancement) was the flattest cornering car the BMW group made when introduced, it had less body roll than any M model.
Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 24):
If they were that prone to rolling, they wouldn't have been given a roadworthyness certificate.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/28/business/fi-rover28

http://www.lawdragon.com/index.php/n...ourtroom_scorecard_vehicle_defect/

Incidentally, I might be wrong about the Discovery II having the issue with the roof. The example I know of is with the Discovery I. Please excuse that.
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