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Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:28 pm

These guys really must have shelled out some cash to get the WC in Qatar. So not only will they police alcohol outside the 'zones' but they'll be kicking in hotel doors where there may be gay sex taking place. Still jaded over USA losing the bid.   

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Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:51 pm

With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays? Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex? Did people travel to the USA or Japan or south Africa to watch soccer or to use drugs? Anyhow there is still about 12 years to go.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:12 pm

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With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays?

It's possible that there may be soccer fans who are gay and want to come to see the world cup. Simply being gay is not allowed in Qatar.

Article 201 of the Qatar Penal Code criminalizes any homosexual act whether it happens in public or in private and Qatar is not afraid of using this to prosecute both citizens and non citizens even when these persons are simply staying in a hotel together and there is no public evidence of anything. There is no right to privacy in Qatar. As of the 2003 constitutional reforms in Qatar, Shari'a is the law of the land there.

Also, the problem here is that there is no respect at all for Gays - or anybody who does not fit the extremely prescriptive views on how to live of the governments in places like Qatar. Westerners take human rights, religious tolerance, and freedom of speech/religion/expression for granted. Allocating the WC to a place where these things are literally foreign concepts was a huge mistake.

I guess coming from Saudi Arabia it might not be so obvious as to why this is a problem. Imagine if you wanted to travel somewhere but were told that having black hair and brown eyes was illegal and that if you were caught with black hair and brown eyes, you could be jailed or lashed. That's what anti-gay laws like those in Qatar, Singapore, and Dubai are like for Gay people. You can be jailed for being who you are.

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Did people travel to the USA or Japan or south Africa to watch soccer or to use drugs?

I do not understand the equation between being gay and using drugs. This is a very offensive thing to say.

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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:14 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays? Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex?

Huh? What do you mean?

Gay people enjoy soccer too. That's the relation between the World Cup and gays. Also, gay people like to have the same freedom other people possess to have sex in the privacy of their hotel room.

It almost seems like you're implying gays are going out of their way to be difficult during the Qatar games.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:16 pm

I'll stick with my American football, thankyouverymuch, that doesn't have to worry about being played in a totalitarian state.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:21 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 4):
I'll stick with my American football, thankyouverymuch, that doesn't have to worry about being played in a totalitarian state.

Or being run by one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. Also an organization which hates America.
What I want to see is the Israli team getting into the world cup. Since it is illegal to go to Qatar if your passport has been stamped in Israel.

This was a huge mistake. And honestly I hope it ends up being a terrible world cup so these guys at Fifa can learn there lesson.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:24 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):

I guess coming from Saudi Arabia it might not be so obvious as to why this is a problem. Imagine if you wanted to travel somewhere but were told that having black hair and brown eyes was illegal and that if you were caught with black hair and brown eyes, you could be jailed or lashed. That's what anti-gay laws like those in Qatar, Singapore, and Dubai are like for Gay people. You can be jailed for being who you are.

Bingo. For this reason I will not board an EK or SQ flight. My very existence is illegal.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:27 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 4):
I'll stick with my American football, thankyouverymuch, that doesn't have to worry about being played in a totalitarian state.

I was all geared up to hit up some matches around the US and now I doubt I'll follow any of them. What is most disturbing is the announcement didn't come from Qatar officials (yet) it was from the horse himself; Sepp Blatter.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:35 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 5):
Since it is illegal to go to Qatar if your passport has been stamped in Israel.

And if you actually are Israeli maybe you can get in and maybe you can't.... depending on the prevailing political wind.

The Israeli tennis star, Shahar Peer, has been refused entry to the UAE to compete in the two million dollar Dubai Open, which started in the emirate on Sunday.

The world number 48 has been denied a visa by the Gulf state's authorities, prompting a strongly worded response from the Women's Tennis Association (WTA), which runs the women's tour.

The blocking of Peer is a surprise because she was given a visa to play in the Qatar Open in Doha last year, a visit which was a considerable success both in tennis and diplomatic terms.


http://www.qatarliving.com/node/377570

I wonder if FIFA would take the world cup somewhere else if Israel did qualify and Qatar refused to let the team in.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:36 pm

I see there being a few arrests at this game.

The world cup with no drink!!!! I don't see it...
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:39 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex?

Um not to be rude, but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel.  
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:46 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Um not to be rude, but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel.

Look at the Olympics in Beijing. They were handing out condoms by the ton to all athletes in the village(s).
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:16 pm

It's a disgrace. Everytime I think about it pisses me off more.

Quoting flymia (Reply 5):
What I want to see is the Israli team getting into the world cup

Me too. But probably UEFA will jump in and make sure they get a particularly difficult qualification group.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:25 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):
Qatar Penal Code criminalizes any homosexual act



IIRC adultery is illegal in the UAE too. I wonder what may happen to heterosexual married couples if their last names aren't the same. How would they prove that they aren't committing adultery?

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but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel.

     
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:25 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 12):
Me too. But probably UEFA will jump in and make sure they get a particularly difficult qualification group.

Interesting - Let's see if they get paired up to France, Germany and Brazil.

Of course we will have to remember this thread in around 2021...
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:28 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):

Look at the Olympics in Beijing. They were handing out condoms by the ton to all athletes in the village(s).

Well, yes. You take a bunch of healthy young athletes, most of whom are drop-dead gorgeous, and put them all in one village. There might just be a little action going on. Yanno, some "international relations" and stuff?
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:29 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
These guys really must have shelled out some cash to get the WC in Qatar. So not only will they police alcohol outside the 'zones' but they'll be kicking in hotel doors where there may be gay sex taking place. Still jaded over USA losing the bid.

These are their rules and we have to abide by them. If they say no alcohol and gay sex and you get caught doing any of those things, you deserve to be thrown in jail, simple as that.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:32 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 13):

IIRC adultery is illegal in the UAE too. I wonder what may happen to heterosexual married couples if their last names aren't the same. How would they prove that they aren't committing adultery?

I do hope that the UAE uses some discretion. Having a few fans get jailed for trumped-up charges is going to be bad publicity.

But I think that one thing that might help out is for someone from Washington to pay a little visit to the Powers That Be and say: "If you start arresting our citizens on hokey 'vice' charges, especially when there were no public offenses, that is your right as a sovereign nation. It is also our right as a sovereign nation to list you on our "Do Not Travel" list for our citizens and to deny all UAE airlines and businesses the right to do business with us. Just sayin'."
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:35 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 16):
These are their rules and we have to abide by them. If they say no alcohol and gay sex and you get caught doing any of those things, you deserve to be thrown in jail, simple as that.

So, an international event, with thousands of people that will be attending, and a lot of them will be discriminated against. No alcohol (Not a biggy, but even so, its the world cup!!!) No unmarried couples or Gay guys allowed to do what is natural to them in the privacy of their own rooms for fear of someone telling on them and getting arrested and put in jail. I can see a lot of people getting arrested!
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:37 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 8):
I wonder if FIFA would take the world cup somewhere else if Israel did qualify and Qatar refused to let the team in.

Doubt it. I don't think FIFA care about the game anymore..its all about the money. How do you think Qatar got it in the first place?
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Quoting lhr380 (Reply 18):
I can see a lot of people getting arrested!

As I implied above, I think that a LOT of publicity should go into this from the various involved governments. They need to warn their citizens: "If you are unmarried, DO NOT GO. If you are gay, DO NOT GO. If you will be wanting to drink, DO NOT GO. In fact, if you want to party or have any fun, religious fanatics do NOT typically allow happiness of any sort and will find some sort of trumped up charge for you, so DO NOT GO."
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:57 pm

If people don't like FIFA's choice for 2018 and 2022 venues they should vote with their feet and wallets and simply avoid the WC. There's not much else they can do about it and when $$$ talk, it is the only time FIFA listens.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 18):
No alcohol (Not a biggy, but even so, its the world cup!!!) No unmarried couples or Gay guys allowed to do what is natural to them in the privacy of their own rooms for fear of someone telling on them and getting arrested and put in jail.

It's not like any fan will be forced to travel there in the first place. Their attitude toward gays, jews and a lot of other things is hardly a new thing. I assume adult people can do their own risk assesment and if they do not agree with the standards and laws of the host country, the responsible thing is to not travel there and spend their hard earned money elsewhere. Simple as that.

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The world number 48 has been denied a visa by the Gulf state's authorities, prompting a strongly worded response from the Women's Tennis Association (WTA), which runs the women's tour.

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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:57 pm

If Wikileaks wanted to make themselves useful, they should flood the Gulf state market with readily-available-for-download gay porn, and getting it past all their firewalls etc.

Just an idea  
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:58 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):
I do not understand the equation between being gay and using drugs. This is a very offensive thing to say.

No way it was meant as an insult. What i meant was you can not use the event as an excuse to brake the laws of the country.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 3):
It almost seems like you're implying gays are going out of their way to be difficult during the Qatar games.

Again no. See above pls.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Bingo. For this reason I will not board an EK or SQ flight. My very existence is illegal

Shame really as over half of the male F/A are gay. Seems the rules are not strictely followed in there case.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Um not to be rude, but when people travel just about anywhere with a partner, they often like to enjoy each other's company when staying in a hotel

You are not rude at all, i follow the rule of live and let others live the way they like, but if there is a law forbidding an act or another in a country why go there and brake it on purpose?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Interesting - Let's see if they get paired up to France, Germany and Brazil.

Brazil it out of the picture as they play in the European groups qualifying games.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
I do hope that the UAE uses some discretion

The games will be played in Qatar not the UAE
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:02 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
Their attitude toward gays, jews

Qatar does not discriminate against Jews as far as i know
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:24 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 23):
The games will be played in Qatar not the UAE



It was me who placed Quatar to UAE. Apologies. OTOH adultery is probably illegal in Quatar as well. So couples with different last names can get into trouble. Or not?
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:25 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 23):
No way it was meant as an insult. What i meant was you can not use the event as an excuse to brake the laws of the country.

But sometimes events are used to push for reform of things that most of the world consider unfair.

Salt Lake City, changes their drinking laws for the Olympics. There was hope that China would be more "open" after the Olympics (did it work?)

So why not use this event to "highlight" issues?
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:29 pm

I have a few observations::

1) How do I know whether a person is gay or not when I walk around and see thousands of people around?

When people will come to see the matches in Qatar, the country does not care what you do in your bedroom and the interpretation is absolutely wrong that the cops would randomly check your room in the wee hours of night. In fact there are so many closet gays among the Arabs itself that many people in the world would not know. So you don't need to worry about having a "good" time in your hotel room. Besides having stayed in the USA for 2 years, I have never seen two men/women lip-locking in public. So as long as that is not done in public or no one starts a Doha pride parade, no one would know and no one care less about it. Even QR has many gay FAs but all they are told is to keep their preferences till their bedroom, don't be too vocal and obvious about it. The isolated incidents you read in the press are generally those in which they said people are normally targeted by their foes and brought to the notice of the ministry.

2) Alcohol policing? (I have my own bar at home so don't shoot me!)

Well you get alcohol at bars, but not as common as you would get in a 7-11, Texico station in the US. But if fans want to drink in public and create a ruckus in public (which is discouraged I believe in many places), they may not get a free go on this.

Now apart from religious reasons, I feel there is another factor that discourages these countries to sell alcohol in public. Most of the trouble making Arabs are so hysterical, boisterous and rancid in their approach I cannot even imagine how these kids will behave when under influence. Which is why it is desirable they don't make alcohol accessible that easily.

The most important point is 2022 is 12 years from now and you would not know how the country will evolve. A lot has changed in Qatar's history in the past 12 years and a lot would change in the future as well. As far as the success of the games, the 2006 Asian games will give you an idea how committed Qatar can be.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:31 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
If Wikileaks wanted to make themselves useful, they should flood the Gulf state market with readily-available-for-download gay porn, and getting it past all their firewalls etc.

Just an idea

There's a thought. i don't usually agree with you but if you're gonna make trouble for one country, why not do the same for all countries and regions? Plus it would be funny as hell.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 18):
So, an international event, with thousands of people that will be attending, and a lot of them will be discriminated against. No alcohol (Not a biggy, but even so, its the world cup!!!) No unmarried couples or Gay guys allowed to do what is natural to them in the privacy of their own rooms for fear of someone telling on them and getting arrested and put in jail. I can see a lot of people getting arrested!

Hey I didn't make the rules. The World Cup Committee decided to give the world cup to a host country simply because they've never held the event before, not taking into account the outrageous human rights rules and violations that may occur in that World Cup. And you can't blame Qatar, their rules existed well before the discovery of oil and well before heir country became rich!
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:49 pm

Quoting CargoLex (Reply 2):
It's possible that there may be soccer fans who are gay and want to come to see the world cup. Simply being gay is not allowed in Qatar.

Article 201 of the Qatar Penal Code criminalizes any homosexual act whether it happens in public or in private...

The way I read it being gay is not illegal, but homosexual acts are!

So I don't think a gay person has much to worry about if they visit Qatar to watch the World Cup!
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:34 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 19):
Doubt it. I don't think FIFA care about the game anymore..its all about the money. How do you think Qatar got it in the first place?

Indeed. Here's a great new and honest marketing slogan:

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Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:43 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 29):
So I don't think a gay person has much to worry about if they visit Qatar to watch the World Cup!

Bingo ! People getting all up tight about something that will probably not be an issue. I have travelled around alot of the Middle East and never had any issues. If anything its been from getting too much Male attention   Its all underground and secretive in the Middle East. Just keep yourself to yourself and dont be a drama queen and you will be fine. What you do behind your hotel bedroom door is private and they wont be bashing down doors. If your that worried get a twin and push the beds together then seperate in the morning.

I have more disrespect for FIFA than I do for the authorities in Qatar.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:56 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 8):
I wonder if FIFA would take the world cup somewhere else if Israel did qualify and Qatar refused to let the team in.

The decision has already been made, Israel knows they will not qualify, and if they somehow do, they still will not qualify, the world cup is larger than any one country, so whatever has to be done to ensure they do not qualify will be done.

Quoting ojas (Reply 27):
The most important point is 2022 is 12 years from now and you would not know how the country will evolve. A lot has changed in Qatar's history in the past 12 years and a lot would change in the future as well. As far as the success of the games, the 2006 Asian games will give you an idea how committed Qatar can be.

Except FIFA is only an organization running football, who has empowered their social component, what marketing and promotional efforts did they also announce to the Middle East to ensure that Qatar had a social, cultural, religious or political change in time for the World Cup, who is the co-ordinator of their strategy and what is the plan?
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:59 pm

As a gay guy, I'll try offer my perspective on some of the issues raised here.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays?

None. However, it has a lot to do with football as a sport and football fans. I am mad into my football, as are many gay people, and we should be able to attend the World Cup as freely as anyone. I understand to a large extent that will be the case, but in many ways it will not be.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
Did people travel to the USA or Japan or south Africa to watch soccer or to use drugs?

WTF? Using drugs is not a fair comparison to being gay/being in a gay relationship. Really stupid comment.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 24):
Qatar does not discriminate against Jews as far as i know

It doesn't recognise Israel as a state at all, which might be an indication of their views in that regard?


I'm mad about my football and will probably try to go to as many World Cups as possible in the future. Qatar seems progressive compared to many Arab nations and maybe they will be more accepting in 2022. I do not think this is a big deal right now. Hopefully it will not be a big deal in 2022 either.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:32 pm

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays?

There are gay people who like football. That's all the relation there is. But that's also all the relation you need.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex?

No, but by that logic, any sex should be banned during the World Cup, if it's really the matches that are most important.

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Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:39 pm

Here's a question. What the if World Cup were held in a country that forbade all sexual contact between individuals who were not in a marriage consecrated by a Christian church?

I wonder how Qataris might find that, lol.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:55 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 34):
No, but by that logic, any sex should be banned during the World Cup, if it's really the matches that are most important.

Don't give them ideas..
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:56 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 29):
The way I read it being gay is not illegal, but homosexual acts are!

Those are the same thing, for all intents and purposes.

Quoting ojas (Reply 27):
When people will come to see the matches in Qatar, the country does not care what you do in your bedroom

Will they even sell hotel rooms to gay couples?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 23):
but if there is a law forbidding an act or another in a country why go there and brake it on purpose?

A law that violates human rights is invalid on its face. If one wants to follow it for fear of being punished, that's fine, but one has no moral obligation to obey such a law.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:57 pm

Just off the cuff thoughts here.

TBH it already feels like the fans have been taken up certain places. No offence intended.

It seems that its not the country with the best bid who will get it (I am not just talking about England here, but also Australia and the USA), just which country will pay the most back handers.

I mean as it stands. I think
Russia
Currently only 1 stadium under FIFAs own rules meets the required standards, however credit where credit is due Russia did start building the new stadia before the announcment. Great foresight.

Qatar

Not sure if they even have a stadium. Along with their fantastic climate for playing football, oh and their wonderful stance on gays and alcohol.

Unfortunately money talks. And the fans dont really matter.
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:10 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 36):
Don't give them ideas..

I'd rather them ban all sex than just gay sex, to be honest with you. Not only would it be fair, but enough people might actually get pissed enough to make them change the entire policy.

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Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:13 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
DO NOT GO."

Exactly, I really hope that the turnout is a disaster and the world cup fails in Qatar.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 38):
Unfortunately money talks. And the fans dont really matter.

So true.

Quoting simonriat (Reply 38):
Russia

I wonder how the transportation is going to work in Russia and what cities will have games. Russia is not the easiest or safest place to get around.
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:24 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 37):
Those are the same thing, for all intents and purposes.

I guess you never heard of being celibate?
 
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Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 40):
Exactly, I really hope that the turnout is a disaster and the world cup fails in Qatar.

If the turnout is a disaster, Qatar might resort to paying people to sit in the seats. They've certainly got the funds.

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RE: World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.

Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:43 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 41):
I guess you never heard of being celibate?

Really? Do you advocate celebacy for couples travelling together to international sporting events, or is it just for gay couples?

And celebacy or not, I wonder whether hotels will take bookings for rooms occupied by 2 guys or girls unless it's twin beds? Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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RE: World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.

Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:58 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 41):
I guess you never heard of being celibate?

LOL. We have only one shot at life on this earth and you want people to be celibate? Lunacy  
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Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:17 am

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 43):
Really? Do you advocate celebacy for couples travelling together to international sporting events, or is it just for gay couples?


I say if you are going to another country you should respect their customs and laws. If you feel you can't respect their customs and laws, either:

o Don't go to that country.

o Go and if you break the law and are caught, expect to pay the price.

I remember some years ago checking into the Gulf Hotel in Bahrain. There was a young Saudi couple (heterosexual) in front of me, the hotel management demanded that they both show identification and proof that they were married. Unable to do they were removed from the hotel by security.
 
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RE: World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.

Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:24 am

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 33):
WTF? Using drugs is not a fair comparison to being gay/being in a gay relationship. Really stupid comment.


I was just saying is you can not use an event such as this to brake the laws of the host country period. If you find this stupid then fine.

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 33):
It doesn't recognise Israel as a state at all, which might be an indication of their views in that regard?


As far as i know there is an Israeli commercial office in Doha and Israeli delegations has attended few meetings in Qatar.
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RE: World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.

Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:32 am

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 33):
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
Did people travel to the USA or Japan or south Africa to watch soccer or to use drugs?

WTF? Using drugs is not a fair comparison to being gay/being in a gay relationship. Really stupid comment.


Given that the title of the thread is " World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.," the reference to drugs is not totally uncalled for. If the police in the USA or South Africa had discovered people using proscribed substances, should they have simply looked the other way because they were foreigners who, aside from liking football, liked illegal drugs? Why should any country be expected to treat foreigners differently from the way they treat citizens?

Of course homosexual acts and consuming alcohol are not the same. Nevertheless, in some countries both are illegal. As others have pointed out, so are adultery and marriage outside of wedlock. Clearly, Qatar is going to have its hands full if they are to police everyone who travels with anyone else. I suspect that there will be some "relaxing" of policing during the 2022 or they will have to convert the stadiums into giant prisons. Lucky it isn't taking place during Ramadan otherwise you couldn't eat a burger during the day either.  
 
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RE: World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.

Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:10 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
With all due respect to Gays, but what relation is there between the world cup and Gays?

What's the relation between the World Cup and straights?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 1):
Do they need such an event to travel to another country and have sex?

Gay men and women do more than just have sex.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Look at the Olympics in Beijing. They were handing out condoms by the ton to all athletes in the village(s).

Props to the Chinese for being realistic.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 18):
So, an international event, with thousands of people that will be attending, and a lot of them will be discriminated against. No alcohol (Not a biggy, but even so, its the world cup!!!) No unmarried couples or Gay guys allowed to do what is natural to them in the privacy of their own rooms for fear of someone telling on them and getting arrested and put in jail. I can see a lot of people getting arrested!

He is correct though. It is their country and it is their rules. FIFA knew this going in and they decided to award it to Qatar anyway. I completely disagree with their rules, but it is their right, as a sovereign nation to enforce said rules. We can argue whether or not they should (and I personally believe that they should just look the other way during an international event) , but there is no law saying they must.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 29):
The way I read it being gay is not illegal, but homosexual acts are!

So, basically, it is illegal to be gay.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 41):
I guess you never heard of being celibate?

Have you chosen celibacy for yourself? Something tells me you haven't. Suggesting that people practice celibacy is laughable. You don't honestly believe that all priests that have taken a vow of celibacy actually abide by it do you?
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RE: World Cup 2022: No Gay Sex Or Alcohol.

Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:12 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 16):
These are their rules and we have to abide by them. If they say no alcohol and gay sex and you get caught doing any of those things, you deserve to be thrown in jail, simple as that.

I agree. No one is forcing you to go to the World Cup, if someone thinks that they're being discriminated against, then don't go. If there's a country that prevents me from being who I am, then I won't go, simple as that, World Cup or not. The World Cup happens once every four years, so what if you miss one? Besides, it will be shown on television, anyway.

I'm disappointed that Australia didn't get the World Cup. Now that Qatar has got it, nothing will change that. They have their own laws that anyone who chooses to go must abide by. Whether or not to go to Qatar is optional; abiding by their laws is not.
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