Indy
Topic Author
Posts: 3957
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:37 pm

German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:22 am

I have a question about the weather in Germany. I have been hearing the weather has been particularly bad. I have family near Cologne and Dusseldorf. The word I have gotten is the area where they live has received an incredible amount of snow so far this December including something like 40+ cm of snow yesterday (I believe it was yesterday). I've been keeping track of what I've been told has fallen so far in December and I am coming up with something like 120 cm. That is not 120 cm on the ground but rather the total of all storms in their area.

Can anyone from Germany provide me an update as to what is going on?

Thanks.
Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
 
PanHAM
Posts: 8538
Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 6:44 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:00 am

We had, where I live, about 20-30 cm new snow last night. I drove about 10 km to my house - and that is uphill - and had really no problem. The advise is, go oout only if you have to and don't drive without snow tires. A German made car is helpful as well.
powered by Eierlikör
 
ZakHH
Posts: 1570
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:32 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:58 am

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
I've been keeping track of what I've been told has fallen so far in December and I am coming up with something like 120 cm. That is not 120 cm on the ground but rather the total of all storms in their area.

It's been thawing in the meantime, so it's indeed not that much on the ground.

We had a bit of snowfall here yesterday, but it's not disastrous. People aren't used to winter anymore, as - before last year - winters here used to be rather mild. But I remember that, when I grew up, we used to have snow and frost regularly.

What I would really like to know is what happened to the clown who, two or three years ago, told us that we will never see snow and frost again in Northern Germany, because of global warming. Ah, heck, he's probably hiding among those guys who now tell us that the second frosty and snowy winter in a row is yet another proof for global warming...  
Tired of a.net? Join a friendly aviation community!
 
oldeuropean
Posts: 1686
Joined: Thu May 19, 2005 5:19 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:17 am

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 2):
because of global warming

Well, 2010 was the hotest year on record worldwide and the end of the warmest decade.

So, yes, after 30 years with nearly no snow, this winter we have some more snow in December. But be sure one winter with snow is not an all-clear signal for the climate change.  

Two years ago, on some days we've had nearly 20 degrees Celsius in December, here in Cologne!

Axel

[Edited 2010-12-17 02:23:02]

[Edited 2010-12-17 02:24:11]
Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
 
racko
Posts: 4548
Joined: Tue Nov 06, 2001 12:06 am

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:37 am

*sigh* "Climate" isn't the same as "weather".
 
PanHAM
Posts: 8538
Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 6:44 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:02 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 3):
Two years ago, on some days we've had nearly 20 degrees Celsius in December, here in Cologne!

No wonder Cologne is considered the warmest city in Germany.  
Quoting racko (Reply 4):
*sigh* "Climate" isn't the same as "weather".

yes, we know that. The apocalyptic ghost riders keep telling us. My part of Germany has a maritime climate and Berlin has a continental climate.
powered by Eierlikör
 
EIBusiness
Posts: 162
Joined: Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:47 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:46 am

We've had a similar situation here in Ireland...

Last winter saw the coldest weather in over 30 winters with frequent snowfalls in Eastern areas in particular. In these past three weeks, temperatures are running around -7.5C below average. We had over 30CM of snowfall ten days ago in many parts - with renewed snowfall beginning last night.

The front that swept through the low countries and Germany yesterday was a more freak event. This picked up intensity as it travelled down the North Sea as a result of a direct Arctic Northerly.

The main driver of winter weather in Europe is the synoptic pattern. We have, so far this year, seen frequent blocking highs to the North, Northeast and Northwest - thus enhancing a continental influence. During the late 1990's and 2000's - we saw frequent high pressure belts to the south, dragging in warm Atlantic air.

These current pressure patterns were very common during the 1960's and 1980's.

EIBusiness
Vivo Per Lei...
 
gosimeon
Posts: 232
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:45 am

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:03 pm

Here in Frankfurt there's a helluva lotta snow around! It's my fist winter here, so I don't know if it's the norm or not, but my German friends have mentioned last winter was bad too.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 1):
A German made car is helpful as well.

As always!

Quoting racko (Reply 4):
*sigh* "Climate" isn't the same as "weather".

  
 
Indy
Topic Author
Posts: 3957
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:37 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:04 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 3):
Well, 2010 was the hotest year on record worldwide and the end of the warmest decade.

Says who? Al Gore? James Hansen? Satellite data wouldn't support the claim for 2010. That is a whole lot more reliable than data that has been adjusted arbitrarily (cough..Hansen).

And warmest since when? Record? How accurate are records 50+ years ago? How far back to records even go? For much of the U.S. records barely go back 120 years. What was it like 200 years ago? 500? 1000? What was it like 10,000 years ago? Climate alarmism really has no place in science. Alarmism, politics and science make bad bed partners.

Plus this was supposed to be about snow in Germany right now  
Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
 
gosimeon
Posts: 232
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:45 am

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:15 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):

Says who? Al Gore? James Hansen? Satellite data wouldn't support the claim for 2010. That is a whole lot more reliable than data that has been adjusted arbitrarily (cough..Hansen).

And warmest since when? Record? How accurate are records 50+ years ago? How far back to records even go? For much of the U.S. records barely go back 120 years. What was it like 200 years ago? 500? 1000? What was it like 10,000 years ago? Climate alarmism really has no place in science. Alarmism, politics and science make bad bed partners.

I don't really have the appetite for this debate again (it's been done to death), but just to point out, you have offered noevidence or backing for your point of view. All you have done is try find gaps and holes. What's the point? You've clearly made up your mind.

I thought this was about German weather!
 
oldeuropean
Posts: 1686
Joined: Thu May 19, 2005 5:19 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:41 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
Says who?

Apart from institutes around the world, for example also, the NASA!

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/27/98203/earth-bakes-worldwide.html

No wait, I forgot – this is indeed no reliable source for the no-climate-change conspiracy theorists.
The right-wing America has decided, something like this may not happen.  

Axel
Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
 
ZakHH
Posts: 1570
Joined: Fri Jul 08, 2005 11:32 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:35 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Apart from institutes around the world, for example also, the NASA!

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/27/98203/earth-bakes-worldwide.html

No wait, I forgot – this is indeed no reliable source for the no-climate-change conspiracy theorists.
The right-wing America has decided, something like this may not happen.

I didn't say there is no global warming. I was just mocking scientists who - speaking about conspiracy theorists - fail to make reliable predictions on a 3 year scale, yet are totally convinced that they know exactly what things will be like in 30 or 300 years.

Anyway, the link you posted was interesting, thanks! Just for good order's sake - the article's from July, even though I am pretty sure the last 5 months did not reverse the climate trend that - according to the article - "has existed since records began in the late 1800s".
Tired of a.net? Join a friendly aviation community!
 
Indy
Topic Author
Posts: 3957
Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:37 pm

RE: German Weather Question

Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:32 pm

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 10):
Apart from institutes around the world, for example also, the NASA!

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/07/27/98203/earth-bakes-worldwide.html

No wait, I forgot – this is indeed no reliable source for the no-climate-change conspiracy theorists.
The right-wing America has decided, something like this may not happen.

Axel

NASA... aka Hansen. I'd recommend reading up on his faulty research. All you have to do is find the satellite data and check out the numbers. It is available online. The data goes back to Jan 1, 1979. If you aren't the warmest since 1979 you certainly cannot be the warmest on record.

Also if you took the time to compare CO2 records and temperature records compiled from the Vostok ice core sample you would be able to identify the serious flaw in the global warming theory. It is very easy to identify once you do the comparison.
Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CrimsonNL, LMP737, timz, Tugger, USPIT10L, zckls04 and 15 guests