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Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:54 am

I am proud to say that I have three advanced degrees from two very prestigious institutions, 33 years of life experience, a good income, and opposable thumbs.

And I cannot keep my 6mo Labradoodle puppy out of the garbage. I have locking bins of the sort that are usually used to store dog food and she somehow gets them open. Can someone suggest a solution that is puppyproof and doesn't involve complexities like a padlock?

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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:00 am

As in real estate, we found our solution in, location, location, location. We relocated the garbage can into the cabinet beneath the sink, and secured the door with a simple toddler lock. Our dog could get the door open about 3 inches, enough to get a sniff, but could not get at the can itself. Eventually he lost interest and moved on to drinking from the toilet. We are still working on that one.
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Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:01 am

Which trash cans is the puppy getting into? Kitchen, bathroom, the ones that go out to the curb, etc?
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Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:06 am

I wonder if any SC alumni were ever so outsmarted...

  
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:27 am

So there really isn't enough space under our sink for garbage and recycling and compost. The compost was solved by gluing rocks to the lid. I think I'm going to go get really huge locking bins tomorrow and put a couple of milkjugs filled with water in the bottom of each one. That way there will be room for the garbage, but she won't be able to tip it over, and if she does get it open, she'll not be able to get very much out.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:44 am

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
And I cannot keep my 6mo Labradoodle puppy out of the garbage

Sounds like the same problem I have with my 11 month old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel...trust me it is and I can see that it will be an ongoing problem for me. Your puppy is much larger than mine.

I know he is being fed enough food and I feed him top of the line food but he still goes after the garbage...lol

I decided to remove my garbage tall flip top can and I now use smaller plastic bags/grocery plastic bags and I put it in the microwave during the day and outside each evening after dinner. For items that are recycled I have a small plastic bin under the sink - I have an elastic cord (bungie) that goes from one handle to the other which has stopped him from getting into it. It is very tight and if tries to get in it usually smacks his nose.

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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:58 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
So there really isn't enough space under our sink for garbage and recycling and compost. The compost was solved by gluing rocks to the lid. I think I'm going to go get really huge locking bins tomorrow and put a couple of milkjugs filled with water in the bottom of each one. That way there will be room for the garbage, but she won't be able to tip it over, and if she does get it open, she'll not be able to get very much out.

But...but...I baited.

I prodded...I plotted, I planned, I prodded...and I baited...I threw down...I... I... I baited...

*staggers away, confounded*
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:07 am

Quoting Airstud (Reply 6):
I prodded...I plotted, I planned, I prodded...and I baited...I threw down...I... I... I baited...

Doc, how could you not notice his masterful baiting?

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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:14 am

You could put the bin on a tallish pole with a slinky, and see if the puppy is similarly confounded as squirrels are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbwrE02Dpw

On a serious note, is there another room adjacent to the kitchen (ideally something like a cloakroom etc) that the bin could live in with the door closed?
 
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:24 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
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Don't feel too bad, Doc - my dear, departed poodle would outsmart me regularly, and they learn as they get older. They certainly aren't "dumb animals".
 
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Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:59 pm

Maybe I am underestimating the ability of dogs, but does no one else think that a recessed push-button style lock might do the trick? Humans have individual digits, dog's really don't. If you recess a button deep enough (say maybe an inch and a half) and make the spring stiff enough so a dog's tongue isn't strong enough to push it, I think you might have a decent shot at keeping the little guy outta there.

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Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:18 pm

What about relocating said containers to a closet or the garage?
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:57 pm

Dear Doc,

Are you kidding me?

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Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:15 pm

Again Dr. Lightning,

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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
I wonder if any SC alumni were ever so outsmarted...

That would be a negative. My year-old puppy has not outsmarted me!

He has, however, out-witted, outran, outplayed, out-many-other-thing-ed me.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 10):
Maybe I am underestimating the ability of dogs, but does no one else think that a recessed push-button style lock might do the trick? Humans have individual digits, dog's really don't. If you recess a button deep enough (say maybe an inch and a half) and make the spring stiff enough so a dog's tongue isn't strong enough to push it, I think you might have a decent shot at keeping the little guy outta there.

Where can I get such a product?
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:46 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Where can I get such a product?

I said I thought it would work, not that it exists  

Let the record show that I came up with this idea, Doc if I see you making big $$s from it in 5 months, you got a lawsuit on your butt 
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:18 pm

Solution..... a 4th Advanced Degree.

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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:50 pm

Here is an idea that worked for us.
Go to Radio Shack and buy one of those battery powered door alarms. Stick the alarm on the side of the garbage can. Stick the other half of the alarm on the side of the lid. Arm the alarm.

Whenever the dog pops the lid on the garbage can the alarm noise will scare him away. It only takes two or three times for your pup to learn that the garbage can makes bad noises if it's disturbed. Those alarms cost $10-15.00. Well worth it.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:55 pm

Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 16):

Let the record show that I came up with this idea, Doc if I see you making big $$s from it in 5 months, you got a lawsuit on your butt

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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:14 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 18):


Not a bad idea, though, if Doc's dog is like mine were when they were pups (one is now 13, the other put down at 12 in April), the trash thing happens at night.

Doc, you need a trash can that is heavy (so the dog doesn't tip it) and that has a heavy foot pedal to operate. I'm guessing a Home Depot or Lowes would have something along those lines. Target may have some high end, stainless steel ones that will work. I have a foot pedal one that my son, when he was 3, had issues with. Expect to pay $60+.

You're looking for something with 'commercial' or 'heavy duty' in the description.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:06 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 20):
I'm guessing a Home Depot or Lowes would have something along those lines.

Guess again. Nothing where the lid locks to the bin. All of their lids can be easily knocked off. I can put a coupla milk jugs of water in the bottom to keep it from tipping, but the lid needs to lock.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:07 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Guess again. Nothing where the lid locks to the bin. All of their lids can be easily knocked off. I can put a coupla milk jugs of water in the bottom to keep it from tipping, but the lid needs to lock.

Get one where the lid is part of the can.

Something like this:

http://www.target.com/simplehuman-st.../B000EGLYNC/ref=sc_qi_detailbutton
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Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:51 pm

I think you are taking the wrong path with this problem. You need to teach the dog to leave the garbage can alone vs just trying to keep him out of it.
Locking lid or not if a dog wants to get into a garbage can, he will. You need to set up a negative reinforcement so that he learns not to get into the can in the first place.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
I think you are taking the wrong path with this problem. You need to teach the dog to leave the garbage can alone vs just trying to keep him out of it.
Locking lid or not if a dog wants to get into a garbage can, he will. You need to set up a negative reinforcement so that he learns not to get into the can in the first place.

There isn't a negative reinforcement that I can arrange that works. I already tried spraying the contents of the garbage with "bitter yuck." Didn't work.

So what I am trying to do is teach her that there's nothing in there that she can have, so stop trying.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:27 pm

I tell you, Labradoodles are conniving little buggers! They're so clever! Is yours Curly or Shaggy?

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Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:37 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
I think you are taking the wrong path with this problem. You need to teach the dog to leave the garbage can alone vs just trying to keep him out of it.
Locking lid or not if a dog wants to get into a garbage can, he will. You need to set up a negative reinforcement so that he learns not to get into the can in the first place.

That is correct.

I have a 3yr old Basenji, and they are very intelligent dogs. They do not take NO for an answer, and will always try a new method. However, negative reinforcement works well with her...when she sees me approaching she rolls over for me to pat her belly.  
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:32 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
So what I am trying to do is teach her that there's nothing in there that she can have, so stop trying.

But your dog's nose is telling her otherwise.

For the life of me I can't figure out why you aren't listening to what people are telling you. I gave you the solution in reply 18. You either solve the problem now or later on it becomes a bigger problem. It's your choice.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:18 am

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
And I cannot keep my 6mo Labradoodle puppy out of the garbage. I have locking bins of the sort that are usually used to store dog food and she somehow gets them open. Can someone suggest a solution that is puppyproof and doesn't involve complexities like a padlock?

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Doc, I can only offer and second the following suggestion:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 22):
http://www.target.com/simplehuman-st.../B000EGLYNC/ref=sc_qi_detailbutton

We've had this trash can for 8 years now and it is still a great trash can, still shiny and in good shape.
At first I thought my wife nuts for paying $100 FOR A TRASH CAN! But now, well, if you can praise a trash can... well, this one has lasted 8 years in a house with two kids and lots of their toddler friends and two dogs and numerous dog sittings for friends and family. It been the best $100 spent for a trash can (it still sounds crazy). The key is the light lid that sort of seals down into the top of the can. It can't be easily opened unless you use the foot peddle, at the same time it is easy to open as it is not one of those heavy "cap" type lids. And finally it "slow closes" once released so it doesn't slam down.


Can't imagine I would ever think that spending $100 on a trash can is a good deal/idea but it was.

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Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
I'm Jewish. Half my family are lawyers. Don't try that. It won't be pretty.
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 27):
I gave you the solution in reply 18.

I missed it. Thanks, that's a really good idea.

But I think I'm going to swing for the $100 trashcan. I feel like a chump, but...
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:02 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 30):

But I think I'm going to swing for the $100 trashcan. I feel like a chump, but...

You're a gay Jewish doctor with no kids, aren't you the definition of disposable income?  
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RE: Outsmarted By A Puppy.

Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:28 am

Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 31):

You're a gay Jewish doctor with no kids, aren't you the definition of disposable income?

Yes, except the Jewish part. That bit of me doesn't like disposing of it. Especially for... disposal.
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