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Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:19 pm


I'm not usually the type to ask for advice as I consider myself very independent, but I need some opinions!

Here's my situation: I'm 20, still living at home (planning to leave home at some point soon), and working as a sales rep at a large wireless provider. I'm single, no kids, no debts, and going to college part-time. My job is very high pressure. Management tracks everything from how many new lines we get per 100 transactions, to how many accessories we sell to each person with each phone that goes out (quotas are expected in sales). Everything is extremely micromanaged; be prepared to be yelled at for selling a flip phone (not a smartphone) to a grandma with only a case and no car charger. Also be prepared to deal with the agitated customers (expected) and not being able to price match the likes of Best Buy or Wirefly.

I find myself constantly stressed even on my days off about the next day of work. Driving to work I am constantly worried about numbers, and trying to please management by putting out lots of "good" volume. I know this isn't good mentally as some nights I get very little sleep.

So, I guess what I'm asking is: Do I put up with it and hope it's gets better (it's not), and keep going to college part-time (I have a two year degree and know that a four year would be beneficial even though I'm still a ways away), or do I try to get by being broke and hope I can afford to finish college out of my savings and get a better job after graduation? I make decent money (around $5k/mo. pre-tax) so I can't complain moneywise, but honestly mentally I don't know how much longer I can deal with it. The area where I live (rural Iowa) is mainly blue collar jobs, and I know it's a good paying job for even someone with a family. Maybe I just worry too much and shouldn't stress at all. I really am lost on what to do and I must say I am not looking forward to a 12 hour shift Friday.
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RE: Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:26 pm

Get the degree. No brainer there. Sounds like your manager took his sales cues from Glenn Garry/Glenn Ross.
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RE: Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:30 pm

I would stick it out with the job, but be looking for a new one, that way you can quit once you have something that you find more to your liking and stick with college as an education is always good to have, you sound quite level headed from you post so I am sure that you will find another job, it is easier to find a new job well you still have one trust me on that one.

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RE: Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:48 pm

Quoting hka098 (Reply 1):
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RE: Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:55 pm

I was in the same situation about eight years ago. I was working full-time and making good money and continuing my degree coursework part-time. My problem was that my job started requiring me to work long hours and travel frequently. I ended up starting to drop courses and the ones I kept working on I did worse and worse in.

It was only when I quit that job and went to a lower paying (but less hours and no travel) job that my grades went back up again and I was able to complete the degree. However it took me almost two years longer than it should have.

Make sure the college course is your #1 priority - if you're already making good money I guarantee you'll be making much more within a few years of graduation.
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RE: Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:55 pm

Have you looked into positions on campus. Some of them pay decent money and it sounds like you have lower expenses (living at home, etc). The nice thing about working on campus is that the employers know you are there to go to school first and can be very flexible with schedules, etc.
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RE: Need Advice

Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:58 pm

Get the degree. You will never regret that decision. Stick with the job, because in this economy you should be very happy you have ANY job. Never take the job home with you...losing sleep and constant worry about your job is very unhealthy. Do the best you can while you're at work and when you leave for the day, go home and look for a better job. The best time to look for work is when you are employed. Good luck.
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RE: Need Advice

Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:12 am


I know you hear this all the time, but above all else.........get a 4 yr college degree ! No matter what you have to do to get it, get that degree !

Look at it this way........your present situation is just temporary; but without getting a good education, being miserable can be a life-long problem.

Another thing, (and this will probably get me "flamed"), but I can handle that........learn to think for yourself; make all decisions based on provable facts, not on other people's opinions. Ever been around a creek or a river and watch a school of minnows, flitting this way and that way ? I used to think, "I wonder who the leader is"? It's a whole lot like that watching young people anymore; they all just HAVE to go on spring break.......which is nothing but an excuse to get away from Mommy & Daddy, and get drunk, get "laid", and unfortunately, in many cases, get "dead". ( Natalie Hollaway comes to mind ) If you really want to screw up your whole life, (and I don't think you do), just take up drinking and skirt-chasing for a "hobby", and you're on your way !

You have something very big going for're 20 years old ! That's your big have time on your side ! Life is kind of like a ladder.......right now, you are on the bottom rung; when your job puts all this pressure on you to "deliver", keep one thing in mind; without you in your job, your employer has a problem.........they have to find someone to replace you, and that "someone" is going to be in just as much "pressure" to perform as you are. Do the job to the best of your hard at it; believe me, quotas or no quotas, management knows if you are giving it your best shot or not. They also know that the next person they hire is going to be under just as much pressure, and may very well do even less than you are doing. But you must be doing your best; don't be late to work, don't take a lot of time off, etc; in other words, don't give management a reason to think they can better themselves by replacing you.
It's always tough while you are on the bottom rung; what you must concentrate on now, is getting to the "next rung" on the ladder ! Getting that degree is a huge step ! Along the way, you may decide to find another job; that's O.K. but as long as you are on that one, give it your best, til the very last day. Create a good track record......that's very important. You'll be glad you did, if you ever start looking for another job.

I don't know how you feel about the military, but I know a lot of people who got off to a hell of a start in life, by spending a few years in the service. I know of a young man right here on who learned about electronics in the Navy, and is now enjoying a very nice career, as a result. I'm not necessarily trying ti get you to rush down and enlist, but it IS just one more "option" to think about.

Above all else........don't "take up" bad habits, as a means to "relieve the stress"; you will never know what stress is, until you become addicted to ANYTHING, (alcohol, or "mind altering substances"), or else that other "problem" that ruins a lot of lives forever.........getting a young girl "in trouble"; ( believe me, you'll be in just as much trouble as she is!)

Take a look at all these news stories about these college kids going nuts on spring break..........I'd venture to guess , half or more of them are going to be "paying" for their stupid behavior for years to come.

Fortunately, not all young people are "idiots" ! I had the great pleasure just recently of meeting one of the "exceptions";
can't say too much on a forum, because he's "in the family".............but this young man tried very hard to get into the Air Force Academy; he didn't quite make it; but he was DETERMINED to be a he went to a well known school, known for "prepping" many for service careers; right out of HS, he went to college, got in ROTC, graduated, went into the Air Force, learned to fly, flew F-15's for 4 or 5 years, and is now flying F-22A Raptors ; he is now 30 yrs old, and is still single"; he told me he has two years left on his "commitment" to the Air Force, and is "considering ALL of his "options"; so then I asked, "so, you are thinking of getting out, and getting a job with an airline" ? His answer kinda surprised me.........."oh no, not with an airline...........with Fed-Ex or UPS........don't want to have to put up with "Pax" ! "But, I will most likely just stay in; after flying the Raptor, everything else kind of "anti-climatic"! He is a Captain now, has already been selected for, and will be a Major in June, and with hard work and a little luck, should be able to "trade in" his gold oak leaves for silver ones in maybe 4 or 5 years.

Is getting this far in 10 years "easy" ? Hell no it's not easy! It's hard as hell ! It takes determination, self-discipline, and a hell of a lot of work; but it's WORTH IT ! And it's "doable"! That's the big difference between "self-starters" and the "minnows"............they learn early on to THINK FOR THEMSELVES ! They learn early on, not to "ape" the stupid, self destructive behavior of their "peers", and they learn, early on, how to make good decisions.

The fact that you asked for advice, in a public forum, suggests to me that you are likely to be a potential "winner", and not one of the "minnows" ! If you ever need help with "ideas", check my profile, and drop me an email. And GOOD LUCK !

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RE: Need Advice

Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:05 am

^^ Excellent post and advise there Mr. Geezer  
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RE: Need Advice

Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:49 am

Quoting iowaman (Thread starter):

So, I guess what I'm asking is: Do I put up with it and hope it's gets better (it's not), and keep going to college part-time (I have a two year degree and know that a four year would be beneficial even though I'm still a ways away), or do I try to get by being broke and hope I can afford to finish college out of my savings and get a better job after graduation? I make decent money (around $5k/mo. pre-tax) so I can't complain moneywise, but honestly mentally I don't know how much longer I can deal with it.

I had a job like that as a fellow. It was godawful I'd do A and get yelled at for not doing B, then do B and get yelled at for not doing A. I'd get yelled at for not doing someone else's job (and a job that I wasn't authorized to do, at that). I was told I had a "problem with my professionalism" for showing up ten minutes late twice in four months (both times due to bus issues) and was instructed to purchase a parking pass ($100/mo) at my own expense. I was "talked to" about my time management skills when every single moment of my day was run by my boss. And then, certain conditions under which I accepted the job were changed to much less favorable conditions.

The job was a fellowship. The idea was that when I was done, I'd be Board-Certified in Adolescent Medicine.

I quit in disgust. And you should do the same.

Being broke isn't fun, that's true. But you can work part-time while you do school full-time. Your employment prospects will be much better after you finish school, as will your options.

And you need to do it now. Everyone I know who figured they'd eventually get around to finishing college... didn't. They needed more money first, then "oops" had a kid (wear condoms, y'hear? I don't care what pill she says she's taking), and then one day they were 37 and still working in sales. Bad scene.
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