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AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:50 pm

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47244.html

Fox is reporting that the gunman (who also wounded 11 others) is in custody.

I hope everyone pulls through OK.
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:57 pm

Was bound to happen sometime with all the gun imagery common nowadays in US politics. It takes only one nutjob to take "retreat and reload" literally and something like this happens. Hope she makes it.

Edit: Holy Shit, Sarah Palin actually put out a map with gunsights on 20 Democrats, Giffords was one of them. Wow.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:07 pm

Gabrielle Giffords was one of the people listed in Sarah Palin's "Hit List."



With all the extremely bitter partisanship among our populace and "taking back our nation" rhetoric, on top of the economic woes and recession, I almost think it was a matter of time before a maniac came out and did something like this.

Tragic news today, I hope the best for all of the victims.  

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:09 pm

According to German news she and 5 others have passed away. May they rest in peace.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:09 pm

NPR now reporting that Gabrielle Giffords and 6 others have died.  
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:14 pm

Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
Gabrielle Giffords was one of the people listed in Sarah Palin's "Hit List."

Shame on you for trying to put the blame on the more than 50% of the population who want responsible government. The only reason she was on that list was that she was a democrat in a conservative district - i.e. a potential pickup for the GOP.

Giffords is pro-obamacare, but is generally a moderate democrat, who recently proposed in congress to cut Congressional pay - an excellent idea.

Back to the news - It seems that officials have stated that she was shot in the head, and unofficial rumors are that she is dead.

My thoughts and prayers to her family.
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:15 pm

This is EXACTLY why you should be a moderate, and shun all liberal and conservative viewpoints and beliefs. Hyperpartisans are but a stone's throw away from being violent maniacs.

Unconfirmed reports say that unfortunately there were up to five fatalities, including the congresswoman. If true, my thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims and the victims themselves.

Hopefully we can gain a positive from this and start the process of de-polarizing our nation, taking a few steps back, and rejecting hyperpartisan rhetoric.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:20 pm

Blaming conservatives already? Kinda like Bloomberg and the Times Square bomber, and we all know how that turned out. Gifford was pro-border security. It could have been a cartel hit for all we know.

Condolences to the families. The punk that did this should be fried.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:22 pm

This rhetoric and imagery that has been demonstrated by the Sarah Palin's poster along with this suspect has contributed to this overheated environment and now deadly actions.
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 7):
Blaming conservatives already?

Nothing conservative about these people, these are insane people.
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Shame on you for trying to put the blame on the more than 50% of the population who want responsible government. The only reason she was on that list was that she was a democrat in a conservative district - i.e. a potential pickup for the GOP.

I don't have a problem with people having their idea on how to best run the government.

I don't have a problem with conservative ideologies. In fact, there are many I happen to agree with to some extent.

I do have a problem with a politcian and her commitee putting target stamps on politicians to gain votes.

I do have a problem with sleazy talk show hosts shoving this "take back America" rhetoric that's becoming a race to become ever more provocative to boost viewership, which in the end only fuels the flames for crap like this to happen.

And most of all, I have a major problem with the extremist tendencies I'm seeing in more and more Republicans. That's my personal observation, and it has nothing to do with what Republicans ideologically follow. It's an attitude problem, not a belief problem. Forgive me for seeing it more in Republicans than Democrats, but the world isn't an equal place, and it's my personal observation from the last 3 years. And I'm not even a Democrat.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:27 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 8):
This rhetoric and imagery that has been demonstrated by the Sarah Palin's poster along with this suspect has contributed to this overheated environment and now deadly actions.

Shame on you. as UNCRDU said, we have no idea who did this and why.

It's looking like 5 people are dead, including the Congresswoman and a child.
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:27 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Shame on you for trying to put the blame on the more than 50% of the population who want responsible government.
Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 7):
Blaming conservatives already?

It's obviously not blaming conservatism itself, but rather style of rhetoric that partisan politics to which many in the US have sunk.

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 7):
Gifford was pro-border security. It could have been a cartel hit for all we know.

Would not surprise me if it were a cartel hit. Seems like much of US doesn't seem to care about the mess going on down there.....until it spills over.



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 9):
Nothing conservative about these people, these are insane people.

What's with this silly knee jerk reaction? Seriously, that's up there with "They hate our freedoms."

This very well could have been a cold, calculated by a number of groups with different motives.




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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:28 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 9):
Nothing conservative about these people, these are insane people.

Which people? We don't even know who was responsible for this yet. Rush to judgment much?
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:28 pm

Her husband is Mark E. Kelly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_E._Kelly

Her husband also has a twin brother, Scott J, Kelly, who's also an astronaut and they're the only twins/siblings to have gone in space together apparently.

Mark Kelly is also scheduled to be the commander of the last space shuttle flight.

Thoughts go out to all the people and families of the injured and dead.

I hope this is an isolated action and there will be no repeats/attempts with other politicians.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:32 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
I hope this is an isolated action and there will be no repeats/attempts with other politicians.

  

Let us all keep the families of those affected by this tragedy in our thoughts and prayers.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:32 pm

What a shame and a waste. My prayers to all involved.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:34 pm

 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting Airport (Reply 10):
I do have a problem with sleazy talk show hosts shoving this "take back America" rhetoric that's becoming a race to become ever more provocative to boost viewership, which in the end only fuels the flames for crap like this to happen
Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 12):
It's obviously not blaming conservatism itself, but rather style of rhetoric that partisan politics to which many in the US have sunk.

"Take Back America" is hardly a new slogan. It was last used in the 2008 campaign - by Democrats.

http://www.ourfuture.org/node/27827
http://www.confabb.com/conferences/6...85-take-back-america-2008/speakers
http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/02/29/ta...k-america-the-conference-the-goal/
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/how-take-back-america-nazis

That last one is "How To Take Back America ... From the Nazis"

So don't go all holier than thou, and trying to pull this thread to your politcal sniping. This woman is dead, and by all accounts was a serious, non-ideological public servant in the proudest traditions of Congress (sadly rare these days).
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:37 pm

"Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"

I think you know where that is from....
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting Airport (Reply 10):
And most of all, I have a major problem with the extremist tendencies I'm seeing in more and more Republicans. That's my personal observation, and it has nothing to do with what Republicans ideologically follow. It's an attitude problem, not a belief problem.

There are extremists on both sides. I personally don't like either Republicans or Democrats (full disclosure I am a conservative leaning independent). However I think it is disingenuous to say that one side has more fanatics than the other. It just so happens a Democrat is in the White House, so Republicans are screaming the loudest right now, but I do remember not to long a go many extreme leftists suggesting that the Bush administration executed the September 11 terrorist attacks.


Quoting Airport (Reply 2):

Gabrielle Giffords was one of the people listed in Sarah Palin's "Hit List."

I put Sarah Palin in the same boat as Beck, Matthews, Olberman, Maher, and Carlson. They just say outrageous things to get ratings. I do not even know how many of the things they say they actually believe. I don't really care for Sarah Palin but I don't think that her poster is in anyway suggesting that someone kill any of the representatives on the list. To me it is clearly a poster that has target districts which the Republicans want to take back. As ridiculous as some of the things Palin says are, I think it is ridiculous to suggest she put out this poster to try and encourage violence against the specified representatives.

Having said that this is a tragic event indeed. My thoughts and prayers are with all of the victims and their families. I hope they catch the responsible party (parties) and they are severely punished.
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting UNCRDU (Reply 13):
Which people?

The People who aspire to commit violence are extremest and radical not civilized like most conservatives or liberals.

I send my condolences and prayers to those who have been injured and those who have passed.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:39 pm

MSNBC had a hospital spokesman saying the congresswoman was alive but in emergency surgery, in grave danger.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:40 pm

Can't you guys stop with the partisan crap even for a minute? Nobody has a clue as to what happened here. This poor lady is not even cold yet and the partisan mud is slinging.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:40 pm

She was either shot by:

1. Some random nut, or someone with a personal vendetta
2. A cartel?
3. A conservative who hated that she voted for healthcare reform
4. A liberal who hated that Giffords has reached across the aisle and was a moderate like all people should be

3 and 4 prove why you should be a moderate and NEVER a liberal or a conservative.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting CometII (Reply 22):
MSNBC had a hospital spokesman saying the congresswoman was alive but in emergency surgery, in grave danger.

That would be fantastic news, if true. Fingers crossed...
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:43 pm

Yup. My post, anyway, was intended to express my disgust with how utterly awful discourse has gotten and how revolting it is to see the sheer lack of respect for anyone. Republicans are guilty of it. Democrats are guilty of it. As the media continues to unleash this ever-more provocative viewpoint among the populace, there's always going to be that small percentage (or perhaps not-so-small) which believes everything they hear on TV and the radio, and feels the need to be a "true American patriot" and put the matters into his/her own hands i.e. shoot everyone who the TV claims is the enemy.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:47 pm

Quoting CometII (Reply 22):
MSNBC had a hospital spokesman saying the congresswoman was alive but in emergency surgery, in grave danger.

Interesting....it seems as if some reports of her death were premature and actual articles have been revised to show her as in surgery.

It's a bit of disgusting to see media outlets jump the gun like that.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:48 pm

Giffords last twitter feeds

Rep_Giffords

1. Dinner @ Char's Thai. Sadly learned that Toi, the wonderful waitress who loved to make collages, passed away. Mark & I will miss her. about 2 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone
2. Home sweet home. Thank you America Airlines for another uneventful trip. about 7 hours ago via Twitter for iPad
3. deborahmullen DCoE has a deployment handbook for family & friends. Available from military onesource, www.realwarriors.net, and www.phoenix.edu/vets. about 14 hours ago via web Retweeted by Rep_Giffords and 2 others
4. On @foxnews in a few to talk w/ @BillHemmer & @marthamaccallum about my priorities for 112th #Congress. Check it out: http://ow.ly/3zmcf about 16 hours ago via HootSuite
5. @jrpabcdc Hi John, you might be interested in the bill I introduced today: http://ow.ly/3zERD Congress must live by example. 3:28 PM Jan 6th via HootSuite
6. Proud to vote for a 5% cut in House office budgets. As long as American families tighten their belts, we must do the same in #Congress. 12:17 PM Jan 6th via HootSuite
7. Was hanging out w/@RepDavid Schweikert yesterday. Heard him on @NPR this morning—My staff is jealous of his cappuccino machine. 8:35 AM Jan 6th via HootSuite
8. @KirkYuhnke thanks for having me on your show @abc15. Great to talk about what is going on in DC. Important times for our country. 8:18 AM Jan 6th via Twitter for iPhone
9. In line to read the #Constitution on the House floor http://ow.ly/3zoLM Brush up on our nation’s history @ http://ow.ly/3zoGb 8:15 AM Jan 6th via HootSuite
10. Historic event - reading of our US Constitution, as amended, happening now on the House floor. Great way to begin session. 8:10 AM Jan 6th via Twitter for iPhone
11. Great 1st day! Thanks to the 200+ guests who came to our opening reception. I loved having all my family w/ me for the swearing in. 8:58 PM Jan 5th via Twitter for iPhone
12. Just took pic w/@SpeakerBoehner -good luck 2 leader of #NewMajority http://ow.ly/i/6ZKx Invited him to visit the border. Hope he comes. 3:48 PM Jan 5th via HootSuite
13. In Statuary Hall w/ @RepDavid -freshman AZ Rep David Schweikert and his wife. Looking forward 2 working w/ him. http://yfrog.com/h6gbagij 3:25 PM Jan 5th via Twitter for iPhone
14. The House is in session! Watch the swearing-in ceremony live on C-SPAN right now. http://cspan.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/ 9:22 AM Jan 5th via HootSuite
15. Congrats to Lisa Lovallo & Bruce D. Beach—the @TucsonChamber’s Woman & Man of the Year. We appreciate your leadership in business! 2:47 PM Jan 4th via HootSuite
16. Looking forward to new @buffaloexchange store in downtown Tucson—great to see investment in our local #economy. http://ow.ly/3y1lP 11:13 AM Jan 4th via HootSuite
17. Talking to Bill Buckmaster right now… Hear it live on AM 1330 or http://ow.ly/3y3vQ 8:07 AM Jan 4th via HootSuite
18. Nat’l security= #1 priority for #Congress. We can’t succumb to #partisan bickering—cost of failure is too great. http://ow.ly/3y1Hf 7:49 AM Jan 4th via HootSuite
19. Good to see banks buying back bad loans—recent steps just saved $3.3 billion taxpayer dollars http://ow.ly/3xw7n 3:45 PM Jan 3rd via HootSuite
20. Wow! Mars rovers Spirit & Opportunity mark 7th year on the red planet. http://ow.ly/3xvUI That’s quite a marathon for a 90 day mission 1:53 PM Jan 3rd via HootSuite

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:49 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Shame on you for trying to put the blame on the more than 50% of the population who want responsible government. The only reason she was on that list was that she was a democrat in a conservative district - i.e. a potential pickup for the GOP.


No. We're not going to play the spin game with this event.

Some of the Tea Party folks and some of the radical right wingers have been playing around with violent imagery.

We are not going to pretend they haven't been.

All Anthony did was to "put the blame" where it belongs by posting a widely-circulated graphic that was actually put into public view originally by the SARAHPAC website.

Something bad has happened, and now you shame someone else for merely reminding us that there was a "hit list" complete with crosshairs denoting "targets?"

Shame on Sarah Palin for using CROSSHAIRS in her graphic.

Face facts, Dreadnought. Some of these "more than 50%" have shown up at rallies sporting their firearms.

Sources: Google Search

Palin and her ilk have done absolutely nothing to dissuade this type of behavior.

In that respect, they're even more irresponsible than the Minute Men cranks who disbanded some time back, after sending a message they knew was flawed and dangerous.

Sources: Google Search



As Anthony said, it was just a matter of time "before a maniac came out."


Quote:
The shooting occurred at a Safeway supermarket in northwest Tucson as Ms. Giffords hosted an event, called “Congress on Your Corner, to allow members of the 8th Congressional District to meet her individually. She has held several events since first taking office in January 2007. At one such event in 2009, a protester was removed by police when his pistol fell on the supermarket floor.
source: NYT


Thank God we've got people like this protecting us from our own evil, nasty government!



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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:51 pm

Quoting rottenray (Reply 29):

Translation: I like to blame people based on absolutely no evidence to score political points.

Personally, I think a combination of Elvis and the Aliens did it.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:52 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 27):
It's a bit of disgusting to see media outlets jump the gun like that.

On CNN they spoke to someone who stated that federal law enforcement officials stated she has died. They are still stressing right now that there are conflicting reports.

As for the lack of information, that's what you get with 24 hr, "breaking" news. Details are still forthcoming as oftentimes those directly involved don't know all the details. How can they when the event is still unfolding?

Hannity and Olbermann should keep their mouths shut for the next week. That much is certain.

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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:53 pm

You know what's really disturbing.....

Go to CNN right now. The YouTube homeless radio voice guys is front and center, with this being a side note.
 
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RE: AZ Representative Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:53 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 27):
It's a bit of disgusting to see media outlets jump the gun like that.
Quote:
The Pima County sheriff's office told NPR that six others at the event were killed

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ultiple_wounded.html#ixzz1ATXAbSwL

Seems it was the Sheriff

Quote:
The shooter, described as a man in his teens or early 20s, was tackled by a bystander as he ran from the scene,



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...ultiple_wounded.html#ixzz1ATXXcqbg

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