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Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:09 pm

I really hope we all still love the 1st Amendment, because these people are really testing everyone's patience at this point...

Westboro Baptist Church spokeswoman Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of Fred Phelps, provided CNN with a statement detailing their decision to picket the funerals. It is filled with the usual anti-gay, anti-abortion and anti-divorce church members used to justify their pickets -- that God hates America because it has turned its back on what they see as God's way.

"We picket the funerals to make these vital points to the living!" Phelps-Roper said. "If you heed, it is life and health and peace and safety.

"God sent the shooter! Praise God for ALL his works, and BE YE THANKFUL!."


Maybe these guys need to be thankful nobody has taken them out with a high-powered rifle just yet  http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/arizona.funeral.westboro/index.html
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:13 pm

Some folks will do just about anything to get attention.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:30 pm

Ye is a word you don't hear a lot. (bonus points for those who get the reference)

Other than that, is there anything useful that we can get from this story?
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:33 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Other than that, is there anything useful that we can get from this story?

Only that it's the wrong person in the box.
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Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:37 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Maybe these guys need to be thankful nobody has taken them out with a high-powered rifle just yet


Bunch of odd balls for sure. They seem to be anti_______ fill in the blank that not sure they even stand for anything.
They caused Oklahoma to pass a law that they (or any protesters) have to be 300 ft away from funerals. Several motorcycle clubs in the area generally show up when they are protesting at a funeral so it would be hard to know what they are shouting over a few hundred Harley's.
Last time they were in Oklahoma they had some kind of road hazard incident to their van while it was parked and got four flat tires. They had to find someone to tow their vehicle out of the area to get the tires replaced as they could not find anyone to provide service.

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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:02 am

Well AZ just followed other states and made a law that they have to remain 300 feet away.
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:07 am

Didn't we all wait for another nuthead to come?   
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:45 am

Are these people for real? I do not wish ill on anyone but just maybe a bolt of lightning while they are picketing with their signs.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:20 am

Here's the bit I don't get: Phelps is a Calvinist. He believes that some people are pre-saved and that some people can never be saved.

So what's the point in all this? Just sit back and enjoyed your savedness, Fred.
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:28 am

The Arizona Legislature passed an emergency law banning any protests within 300 feet of the site of a funeral or burial service. It is based on an Ohio state law and so far upheld by the courts there. The Westboro cultists planned to protest both the 9 year old girl's and the Judge's funeral, albeit at about 1000 feet from the site of those services at a major intersection.

I wish the IRS would investigate the Westboro Baptist Church corporation and it's leaders to see if they are in any violation of the tax laws as to non-profits and religious organizations. Find some way to starve them of the money that sustains them in fines or the costs to defend themselves.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:29 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Here's the bit I don't get: Phelps is a Calvinist. He believes that some people are pre-saved and that some people can never be saved.

So what's the point in all this? Just sit back and enjoyed your savedness, Fred.

Phelps is also on record as quite the grudge holder, seeing as he went after this lady and got disbarred for his contact:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=16353368333889772229

It would appear from his overall record that somewhere he crossed the line from effective advocate to deranged provocateur:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...ity-held-hostage/fred-phelps-timel
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:40 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
Find some way to starve them of the money that sustains them in fines or the costs to defend themselves.


One of their victims here in OK tried to sue them and ended up having to pay them and their attorney fees.
They seem to be their own worst enemy, just let them stand on the corner and protest, it is a free country, it does not look like they are gaining any converts with their tactics. As soon as it looks like that they are not getting any "free press" they leave. Right now they are getting more "press" than they have in years, if no one pays attention then they lose.

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Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:51 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 11):

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_ca...72229

Why are these things called "briefs"? They're anything but.

My question is: where the hell are they getting the money? Are there THAT many WBC supporters that they can somehow afford this operation?
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:47 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
My question is: where the hell are they getting the money? Are there THAT many WBC supporters that they can somehow afford this operation?

That is a good question. Apparently the family is very wealthy, and 4 of them are lawyers. By the way, have you visited their website? Prime candidates for a new Mental Health policy...

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Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:02 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 11):
One of their victims here in OK tried to sue them and ended up having to pay them and their attorney fees.
They seem to be their own worst enemy, just let them stand on the corner and protest, it is a free country, it does not look like they are gaining any converts with their tactics. As soon as it looks like that they are not getting any "free press" they leave. Right now they are getting more "press" than they have in years, if no one pays attention then they lose.

Actually Okie I've found the WBC can create positive outcomes in cities. When that fruitbasket of deranged scum comes to a town, literally THOUSANDS of people of all (and no) religious affiliations come together to counter-protest and condemn them. Not many times you get to see a Muslim, Christian, and an atheist standing side-by-side in solidarity against hatred.
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:32 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
Several motorcycle clubs in the area generally show up when they are protesting at a funeral so it would be hard to know what they are shouting over a few hundred Harley's.

Not just in Oklahoma - the Patriot Guard Riders are a national organization that send "missions" to funerals across the US. They were initially formed as a response to the Westboro nutjobs, but are increasingly focused more on missions to show respect for service-members and veterans, and have expanded to police, fire-fighters, and other "first responders" as well. They will respond to help with any protesters, not just Westboro. A friend who's participated in a few of the missions says, though, that the anti-Westboro events get the biggest turnouts. They also participate in "welcome home", deployment, and veterans ceremonies

From what I understand they don't actually run their engines during the service itself unless specifically asked to by the family of the deceased - some members don't even ride motorcycles - but simply place themselves between the protesters and the funeral or graveside service participants, with flags and banners to block the protesters from being visible or heard by the service participants. Before and after the service, they do rev the engines and sing patriotic songs. They go to services as invited guests of the family, so in places where the protesters are required to be outside a perimeter, they can position themselves just inside that perimeter for maximum shielding effect.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 15):

Those guys sound alright to me. Even though I hate Harleys.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting hka098 (Reply 16):
Those guys sound alright to me. Even though I hate Harleys.

They also escorted the boy in CA to school who was told he couldn't fly the flag on his bike. What a great moment. Great organization!
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:51 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
They also escorted the boy in CA to school who was told he couldn't fly the flag on his bike.

What? Who told them that?
 
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:28 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Why are these things called "briefs"? They're anything but.

Because they have to include every last documented fact, no matter how trivial.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Apparently the family is very wealthy, and 4 of them are lawyers. By the way, have you visited their website? Prime candidates for a new Mental Health policy...

Jeez, I was having a pretty nice morning till I saw that. Some things are just better to stay in the dark on...
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:31 pm

They made a deal to leave the Green family alone.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/12...will-leave-green-family-alone-but/
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Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:44 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
They made a deal to leave the Green family alone.


Why in the world would you "deal" with this bunch and be held hostage. Puhleeze
They just won.
Who and I mean "who" made a "deal" with what authority.
Let them stand on the corner protest and practice their first amendment rights.
Then just ignore them and then they lose.

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Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:59 pm

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Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting okie (Reply 11):

One of their victims here in OK tried to sue them and ended up having to pay them and their attorney fees.

I think they just got costs (using an inflated, but accepted, rate for copies and tracking every drop of ink).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

Why are these things called "briefs"? They're anything but.

Haha. We lawyers like to fool you with our fancy names for things  
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Apparently the family is very wealthy, and 4 of them are lawyers.

In his day, Phelps was a formidable civil rights trial lawyer. Then he went nuts with the anti-gay stuff and ended up disbarred, first in Kansas then in the federal courts. If he saved his money then, bought a bit of property, they are probably ok. That said, their main source of income now is apparently when they get sued and win, they inflate their cost numbers within the legal framework and make a profit on things like copies and the like. When they sue, civil rights statutes allow them to collect attorney's fees, which they keep in house since at least a couple of his kids are still licensed.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:31 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 19):

Because they have to include every last documented fact, no matter how trivial.

Right. I get that. So why are they "briefs"?

So I have a question for the lawyers: It is my understanding that, while there is a Constitutional guarantee to freedom of expression, there is no such guarantee to police protection.

Why couldn't a police department simply refuse to provide security and inform them that they will have to arrange their own?
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:56 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
Why couldn't a police department simply refuse to provide security and inform them that they will have to arrange their own?

Hmmm... While we're at it, is there any way to pass a measure allowing privately owned transport companies the right to refuse services? Or is that already legal? Not to sound gauche, but it seems these days that just about every airline (and many other companies for that matter) wants to wrap themselves in the flag. Well this would be a good example of some well-earned good publicity for any airline refusing to haul this trash to AZ (or anywhere else they "need" to go...) Anyway, just a thought...
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:11 am

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 25):

Hmmm... While we're at it, is there any way to pass a measure allowing privately owned transport companies the right to refuse services? Or is that already legal?

They can't discriminate on race, creed, or color. (So you can't run an all-Black airline... not even DL  &nbsp . But I think that Phelps would be hard-pressed to argue that refusal to transport based on his behavior is religious discrimination.

That said, I seem to think they drive to most of their...uh...events.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:46 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):

That said, I seem to think they drive to most of their...uh...events.
Quoting okie (Reply 4):
Last time they were in Oklahoma they had some kind of road hazard incident to their van while it was parked and got four flat tires



I suspect they bring enough people now to watch their vehicle and provide their own security, just guessing.

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Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:48 pm

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 22):

Surprised the Melvins didn't get you on that post. Thanks for sharing. All of those Harleys do sound nice.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:24 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
They can't discriminate on race, creed, or color. (So you can't run an all-Black airline... not even DL  &nbsp .

Isn't there some exception, like Hooters can hire just girls, and some ethnic food restaurants can hire just _______ ethnicity? A bit different from denying service though. (and that DL comment made me laugh, even though my dad (a DL pilot) is white as can be!)
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Maybe these guys need to be thankful nobody has taken them out with a high-powered rifle just yet http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/11/ari....html

Well.....we can only hope that some rich person pays someone to put this dream to reality. I wouldn't wish bad on anyone, but these people are the scum of the earth, they make me sick

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
That is a good question. Apparently the family is very wealthy, and 4 of them are lawyers. By the way, have you visited their website? Prime candidates for a new Mental Health policy...

Hey if they can protest so can we. I go to a lib university and there are plenty of my friends prepared to protest against these people if they would EVER feel the need to come protest a funeral near CT. It doesn't take wealth to protest.
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:40 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 29):
Isn't there some exception, like Hooters can hire just girls, and some ethnic food restaurants can hire just _______ ethnicity?

How about NAACP scholarships? I'm not saying I think I should get one if I were not black, but it does make you scratch your head.
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:44 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 30):
Well.....we can only hope that some rich person pays someone to put this dream to reality. I wouldn't wish bad on anyone, but these people are the scum of the earth, they make me sick

BTW, if/when that does happen, you can count on me being the first one to dig this message up on post it all over, just like you posted/referenced Palin's 'target' map.

Its a two way street, bud. They are entitled to their opinion just like everybody else, even when it is a disgusting and disgraceful opinion. If you start limiting the rights of some, you start down a dangerous slippery slope. If you become the moderator of good and evil outside of the law, who's to say somebody else cannot do the same.

I'm not saying you cannot have your opinions - we all do, and I think it is fair to say almost all of us agree with your anger towards them - but to wish something illegal or wish the law would take action on them while they are doing legal things; that is just as wrong.

edit - spelling

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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 32):
BTW, if/when that does happen, you can count on me being the first one to dig this message up on post it all over, just like you posted/referenced Palin's 'target' map.

Feel free to do so, I sure as hell won't deny it. It's something I want to happen.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 32):

Its a two way street, bud. They are entitled to their opinion just like everybody else, even when it is a disgusting and disgraceful opinion. If you start limiting the rights of some, you start down a dangerous slippery slope. If you become the moderator of good and evil outside of the law, who's to say somebody else cannot do the same.

I never said they weren't entitled to their opinions, but they're parasites, nuff said. No one likes them NO ONE. I'm sure most if not all of mainstream America would even bat an eyelash if they dissapeared off the face of the earth.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 32):

I'm not saying you cannot have your opinions - we all do, and I think it is fair to say almost all of us agree with your anger towards them - but to wish something illegal or wish the law would take action on them while they are doing legal things; that is just as wrong.

As I said, I would never want to wish bad on anyone, but these people invoke an anger even in the most peaceful human beings. What they do is just wrong, free speech or not.
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:02 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
How about NAACP scholarships? I'm not saying I think I should get one if I were not black, but it does make you scratch your head.

If you look over their eligibility requirements, you don't have to be black to get one. You do have to be a member of the NAACP to get some of them (though you don't have to be black to be a member). So it does seem like the possibility is there (unless you have to include a photo with the membership application, how would they know a potential recipient isn't black?).

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Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 33):
I would never want to wish bad on anyone
Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 33):
It's something I want to happen
Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 33):
dissapeared off the face of the earth

       


I'm sorry, but I just cannot respect anybody who would wish another person/people dead when they have not done anything illegal. If WBC had a reputation of killing others, you wouldn't be far off the mark here. Fortunately, WBC has not killed people.

In reality, though, you are advocating taking justice into your own hands based completely and solely on your morals. Be careful - I'm sure everybody who participated in lynchings throughout the years thought they were right, just as you think you are right.

You can be disgusted at their comments all you want, but be very careful when you publicly start calling for their execution.

And, just in one last note of extreme irony, you do know that WBC prays for other people to die, right? How are you any different now?

Edit -
I might clarify that I am in no way defending WBC. I am only trying to point out how your views really don't help the situation.

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Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 35):
You can be disgusted at their comments all you want, but be very careful when you publicly start calling for their execution.

Did those words ever come out of my mouth? I only stated that if someone were willing to make it happen it wouldn't bother me in the least. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 35):
And, just in one last note of extreme irony, you do know that WBC prays for other people to die, right? How are you any different now?

Again, i'm not praying for anything, I only said IF it were to happen, it wouldn't bother me. Please read more carefully before responding next time.
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:57 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 36):
Did those words ever come out of my mouth? I only stated that if someone were willing to make it happen it wouldn't bother me in the least. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Bullsh*t. Just read this:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 33):
It's something I want to happen.

 
Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 36):
Please read more carefully before responding next time.

How about you speak more carefully next time.

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Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:25 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 36):
Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 35):
You can be disgusted at their comments all you want, but be very careful when you publicly start calling for their execution.

Did those words ever come out of my mouth?

Not to turn this into a Palin thread, but this is the Palin defense.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:55 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 37):
Bullsh*t. Just read this:

I'm just willing to say what we're all thinking.

Quoting D L X (Reply 38):
Not to turn this into a Palin thread, but this is the Palin defense.

Probably
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:10 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 39):
I'm just willing to say what we're all thinking.

Boy, you go from blaming me for putting words into your mouth to that. I would congratulate you on the nice recovery if it wasn't so obvious or your wishes so extreme.

Quite obviously, based on my posts, your claim of us all thinking they should be murdered is quite wrong, too. Unless I, for whatever reason, am not included in the 'all'.
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Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:44 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 32):
BTW, if/when that does happen, you can count on me being the first one to dig this message up on post it all over, just like you posted/referenced Palin's 'target' map.

Its a two way street, bud. They are entitled to their opinion just like everybody else, even when it is a disgusting and disgraceful opinion. If you start limiting the rights of some, you start down a dangerous slippery slope. If you become the moderator of good and evil outside of the law, who's to say somebody else cannot do the same.

I'm not saying you cannot have your opinions - we all do, and I think it is fair to say almost all of us agree with your anger towards them - but to wish something illegal or wish the law would take action on them while they are doing legal things; that is just as wrong.

Very well said.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 33):
Feel free to do so, I sure as hell won't deny it. It's something I want to happen.

I was going to say young and stupid but you really are old enough to understand how freedom works.

You are worse than they are if you are supporting violence and even death. They are protesting something that they believe in and they are free to do so. This is what makes America a great country, people no matter how crazy you may think they are, are free to express their opinion. If people like you got their way we may still have slaves and gay people would be hung in the street.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 33):
I never said they weren't entitled to their opinions, but they're parasites, nuff said. No one likes them NO ONE. I'm sure most if not all of mainstream America would even bat an eyelash if they dissapeared off the face of the earth.

You said that they should be shot for having opinions that are different from yours, how is that freedom?

You seem to think that the only opinions that should be allowed are those accepted by "mainstream America". People who think like you have been responsible for some of the most horrendous acts in our short history. Slavery, witch hunts, Matthew Shepard, and so many more horrible acts have been taken up by people doing what "mainstream America" would want.

I think you need to spend more time really understanding what freedom is before you "go out into the world". Someone has a great quote saying freedom is allowing someone to express an opinion that makes you sick. They say it much better than I do and I believe its an American president, maybe JFK.

Even though I think it is completely sick that these people would protest a funeral, I would hate to see them stopped by the government. I do not agree with anything these people stand for but I do agree with their right to assemble. I am equally as happy for the bikers who block their trash from being herd by the family.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:25 pm

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 14):
When that fruitbasket of deranged scum

Tell us how you REALLY feel!

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 41):
Someone has a great quote saying freedom is allowing someone to express an opinion that makes you sick

The quote: 'I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it' is usually attributed to Voltaire. It seems to fit here nicely.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:02 am

Canada to the rescue! (kind of)  

Radio host persuades church to drop funeral protest
Updated: Thu Jan. 13 2011 6:59:58 AM
The Canadian Press

TORONTO — Members of a radical Kansas church have cancelled plans to picket the funeral of a nine-year-old girl killed in a shooting rampage in Arizona, after being promised a live interview on a Toronto radio station.

Dean Blundell, a controversial morning show host on rock radio station 102.1 The Edge, said he brokered the deal with Shirley Phelps-Roper of the Westboro Baptist Church in an effort to prevent further suffering for the victim's family.

Phelps-Roper has also credited Blundell and another Arizona radio station for persuading her and fellow church members to stay away from the funeral for Christina Green, who was one of six people killed on Saturday in Tucson, Ariz.

The church had previously planned to picket Green's funeral on Thursday, saying the Arizona shooter had been sent by God to punish sinners in the country.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...10113/20110113/?hub=TorontoNewHome
 
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:08 am

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 43):

TORONTO — Members of a radical Kansas church have cancelled plans to picket the funeral of a nine-year-old girl killed in a shooting rampage in Arizona, after being promised a live interview on a Toronto radio station.

Tell you what - It's one thing to protest the funeral of a soldier or some other adult - however distasteful. But it would have been something else to protest the funeral of this innocent 9 year-old girl. I could well imagine if they did that, that someone would take potshots at them, and the cops would be "creatively incompetent" in not being able to find the shooter - and I wouldn't blame them.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:09 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 44):
Tell you what - It's one thing to protest the funeral of a soldier or some other adult - however distasteful. But it would have been something else to protest the funeral of this innocent 9 year-old girl. I could well imagine if they did that, that someone would take potshots at them, and the cops would be "creatively incompetent" in not being able to find the shooter - and I wouldn't blame them.

Here we go again. It amazes me how quick people are to give up the very freedom this country was built.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:44 am

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 45):
Here we go again. It amazes me how quick people are to give up the very freedom this country was built.

Who said about giving anything up? With rights comes responsibilities. You have the right to pretty much do as you please, but with that right comes the responsibility to try to make the right choices. If Phelps wants to make an ass of himself, by all means go ahead. But he should be ready for possible consequences.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:31 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 46):
Who said about giving anything up? With rights comes responsibilities. You have the right to pretty much do as you please, but with that right comes the responsibility to try to make the right choices. If Phelps wants to make an ass of himself, by all means go ahead. But he should be ready for possible consequences.

And some people in this world think protesting for gay rights is making an ass of yourself, would it be okay for them to take a "potshot" at those protesters and the police to overlook it?

I do not agree in any way with what these people are doing and I think its sick and disgusting, but I would fight to protect their right to do it. I don't want to allow the government to decide who has the right to protest and who doesn't and taking their right to protest away is doing just that.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:10 am

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 47):
And some people in this world think protesting for gay rights is making an ass of yourself, would it be okay for them to take a "potshot" at those protesters and the police to overlook it?

I do not agree in any way with what these people are doing and I think its sick and disgusting, but I would fight to protect their right to do it. I don't want to allow the government to decide who has the right to protest and who doesn't and taking their right to protest away is doing just that.

It scares me that nobody else besides you and I are publicly standing up for that.
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RE: Westboro Baptists Strike Again In AZ

Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:36 am

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 48):
It scares me that nobody else besides you and I are publicly standing up for that.

I hope it is just because they are young and don't yet understand.
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