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World's Happiest Countries 2010

Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:30 pm

The results are in from London-based Legatum Institute's exhaustively researched 2010 Global Prosperity Index:

To build its index Legatum gathers data from 12 sources the Gallup polling group, the Heritage Foundation and the World Economic Forum. Each country is ranked on 89 variables sorted into eight subsections: economy, entrepreneurship, governance, education, health, safety, personal freedom and social capital.

The Top 5 Happiest countries in the World

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland
4. Australia
5. New Zealand

The US came in 10th, and had the highest ranking of any country with population over 150,000,000.

As a rule, one of the best indicators, was of course, the ability to start businesses:

Of perhaps utmost importance, nearly all the nations in the top 10 are adept at fostering entrepreneurship and opportunity. Legatum's researchers concluded that a country's ranking in this area is the clearest proxy of its overall ranking in the index.

This means low business startup costs, lots of cellphones, plenty of secure Internet servers, a history of high R&D spending and the perception that working hard gets you ahead.


I buy #4 and #5 personally, but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/nor...gton-world-happiest-countries.html
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Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:54 pm

The Netherlands 9th, yay! 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:55 pm

Very western centric. I find that the people of the Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people. I am sure the same can be said of Samoans. They are naturally that way. And this is despite the fact that these peoples have a fraction of the economic resources of westerners. More money, more problems.
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:00 pm

Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
Very western centric.

Realistically and practically speaking, what do you expect from a research group based in London? Start your own if you think there's not enough data on the Asian region - though I would argue there clearly is.

Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people

Based on what objective evidence?
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Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Based on what objective evidence?

Just based on my own personal observations. A much better ranking would be based on simply asking people "are you happy," but yet it's not. It's more complicated and based on many things that stretch the idea of happiness.
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:06 am

I'm not sure why business friendliness is so important, but I liked that part, about the first countries in the list :

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They are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth.

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Looking in detail at the methodology, it seems really focused on money, even religious attendance is somehow linked to money !
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:19 am

Well, it's FORBES.

There was another ''happyness'' report not long ago, by a more ''social and cultural appreciative'' group, and in that once places like Western Samoa, Colombia, Brazil, and Ghana were among the happiest places on Earth.

What both rankings are consistent on is that they diss Argentina. We are too poor for one and too western for the other.
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:48 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):

I buy #4 and #5 personally, but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

Plus, I wonder how the highest happiness levels jive with some of the highest suicide rates in the world...

Quoting Derico (Reply 6):
What both rankings are consistent on is that they diss Argentina. We are too poor for one and too western for the other.

Aren't Argentinians just like Portuguese, chronically depressed in nature?
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:18 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
nearly all the nations in the top 10 are adept at fostering entrepreneurship and opportunity.

Jesus if you know anyone who has ever tried to start a business in Norway you'd know that this statement does not apply. Also the suicide rate is very high, two people I work with have children who have killed themselves, last year two parents at my sons kindegarden killed themselves, one did it on Christmas day.
 
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:02 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
Plus, I wonder how the highest happiness levels jive with some of the highest suicide rates in the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Sweden at #28, Norway at #37 and Denmark at #42. Sure, Scandinavia is in the top half, but not hugely different from the rest of the western world. Portugal actually beats Norway and Denmark in no. of suicides per 100 000 people.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Also the suicide rate is very high

Not as high as in New Zealand, according to the WHO stats quoted in in the wiki article. Not trying to be a smartass, but the whole "Everybody kills themselves in Scandinavia" is getting old, and is simply untrue. I will say, however, the suicide is the most common cause of death for people between the ages of 13 and 26 in Sweden, which is pretty messed up.

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Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:28 am

OK I'd like to know what the SADDEST countries are. We all know the usual suspects but I'd like to know what places like 10th worst and above.
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:56 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

That is a very general statement.

The autumns and winters in Norway can be cold, however there are many countires and cities around the world that is colder in the winter. New York and Chicago can be just as cold, if not colder than let's say Oslo, Norway.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Jesus if you know anyone who has ever tried to start a business in Norway you'd know that this statement does not apply. Also the suicide rate is very high, two people I work with have children who have killed themselves, last year two parents at my sons kindegarden killed themselves, one did it on Christmas day.

Welcome back kiwirob ! I have missed your never ending positive reviews of Norway... NOT ! Seriously your constant negative comments about Norway is getting tiresome.

There are reasons why Norway every year are high up or on top of every livingstandard, healthcare, strongest economy etc index made.

* Norway is one of the very few countries in the world with a surpluss at the moment

* One of the lowest if not the lowest unemployment

* Our murder rate is the lowest

* One of the best healthcares in the world

* One of the highest livingstandards in the world

* and NO we DON*T have the highest taxation in the world


Now, Norway is not a perfect country. No country is. The education system could be better and the justice system could be better. - But your constant negative views of Norway is simply not fitting.

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Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:06 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* Our murder rate is the lowest

According to what statistics? As far I as I know neither Norway nor Iceland do have the *lowest* rate and Iceland lies lower.
 
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:25 pm

Quoting aero145 (Reply 12):
According to what statistics? As far I as I know neither Norway nor Iceland do have the *lowest* rate and Iceland lies lower.

Pr. capita:

Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people

Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people

But you are correct, Norway is not the country with the lowest murder rate. I shoul have wrote " the country with one of the lowest "

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
 
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:08 pm

Quoting acidradio (Reply 10):
OK I'd like to know what the SADDEST countries are. We all know the usual suspects but I'd like to know what places like 10th worst and above.

Bottom 20 (lifted from wikipedia) of the Legatum list :

91. Nepal
92. Iran
93. Mali
94. Senegal
95. Cambodia
96. Bangladesh
97. Tanzania
98. Rwanda
99. Uganda
100. Sudan
101. Zambia
102. Cameroon
103. Mozambique
104. Kenya
105. Yemen
106. Nigeria
107. Ethiopia
108. Central African Republic
109. Pakistan
110. Zimbabwe

North Korea, Burma etc. would probably be down there but no numbers are available.
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:05 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 9):
the suicide rate is very high, Not as high as in New Zealand, according to the WHO stats quoted in in the wiki article.

The diference for me is that I only know of one person who has killed themselves in NZ, yet in the 4 years that I've lived here I know of 5 people who have killed themselves. Also the stats for Norway are older than NZ, it could have changed since then.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* One of the lowest if not the lowest unemployment

This is a lie and you know it, the Norwegian govt is very good at playing fast and loose with the numbers. For example my wife runs job club courses for NAV, people on this course are unemployed but when on the course they are considered employed, there are also tens of thousands of long term sickness beneficiaries who will never return to work, they are effectively unemployed yet are considered employed by the Norwegian govt.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
* and NO we DON*T have the highest taxation in the world

Not not the highest but one of the highest.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The education system could be better and the justice system could be better.

You got that right, the education system is in serious need of reform and justice is almost non existent to the point where you can almost do anything you like except speed and get away with little more than a slap on the wrist or a couple of years in a govt run health spa.
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:27 am

The top 3 countries have a White and mostly Protestant population with freezing climate and dark winters. This result has got to be rigged.

Happiest countries in the World
1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland

The criteria for defining the winning countries are all based on material wealth per capita. Considering this fact I am surprised Monaco and Luxembourg are not part of the top 3.

My winners for the world's top happiest places would be Western Samoa, French Polynesia and the Cook Islands.

  
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:34 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
Western Samoa, French Polynesia and the Cook Islands

I have been to these places. French Polynesia and Cook Islands twice and Samoa once. The probelm with these island nations is that there is to little work and future for people on this island. They are heavely dependant on tourism and foreign aid. Alot of the population on these islands are moving abroad for an education and better life mwith a future. There are more Cook islanders in New Zealand and Australia for instance than in the Cook Islands. But it's a great people. Especially the Cook islanders are wonderful. However it has it's price living in paradise. These island nations are nice places to visit as tourist, but I'm not sure I would move and live in any of these island groups.  
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:44 am

I'm a Norwegian living in Australia, and I can say that I am actually very happy, so that list must be very accurate!

 
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Jesus if you know anyone who has ever tried to start a business in Norway you'd know that this statement does not apply. Also the suicide rate is very high, two people I work with have children who have killed themselves, last year two parents at my sons kindegarden killed themselves, one did it on Christmas day.

I don't think I've ever seen a positive statement from you about living in Norway. So why do you still live there? Every country has happy and unhappy people, the top 5 just have a higher percentage of happy people, you strike me as part of the unhappy Kiwi population....

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Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:46 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 18):
I don't think I've ever seen a positive statement from you about living in Norway.

The money is good and I like winter sports, happy now.

I just don't think people should buy into the hype about Norway because as far as I'm concerned it's all a load of rubbish. I'm here because my wife wants to be here, close to her family and friends, I love my wife and kids a lot, so I stay.
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people

Based on what objective evidence?

Can you really quantify happiness with objective evidence?

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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:49 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
Can you really quantify happiness with objective evidence?

Seems to me that's what Legatum has attempted via their analysis process.
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:04 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 21):
Seems to me that's what Legatum has attempted via their analysis process.

As the article says, they're really measuring prosperity, not happiness. Happiness is entirely subjective.

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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 9):

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
Plus, I wonder how the highest happiness levels jive with some of the highest suicide rates in the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Sweden at #28, Norway at #37 and Denmark at #42. Sure, Scandinavia is in the top half, but not hugely different from the rest of the western world. Portugal actually beats Norway and Denmark in no. of suicides per 100 000 people.

And are we seriously suggesting that Haiti may be a Happy Place?
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
My winners for the world's top happiest places would be Western Samoa, French Polynesia and the Cook Islands.

Have never been to Western Samoa or the Cook Islands, but if the people in French Polynesia are so happy then how come customer service is so horrible? Seems like they always nave a huge frown on their face and are doing you a favor by even talking to you.
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:48 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 24):
but if the people in French Polynesia are so happy then how come customer service is so horrible? Seems like they always nave a huge frown on their face and are doing you a favor by even talking to you.

Are you sure you're not confusing French Polynesians with Norwegians, service in this country is pretty bad, even in the best resturants services standard aren't much better than at a Denny's.
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:11 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 24):
Seems like they always nave a huge frown on their face and are doing you a favor by even talking to you.

No different in Hawaii, generally speaking.
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 25):
Are you sure you're not confusing French Polynesians with Norwegians, service in this country is pretty bad, even in the best resturants services standard aren't much better than at a Denny's.

Man, you got issues... If Norway is so horrible, I have no doubt that a man such as yourself with so hard hitting arguments can find a way to convince your wife to move to New Zealand.
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:01 pm

Mortyman you must have been living in a cave for a long time if you think service in Norway is any good.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 27):
If Norway is so horrible, I have no doubt that a man such as yourself with so hard hitting arguments can find a way to convince your wife to move to New Zealand.

I don't voice my dissatisfaction of Norway to my wife, I just man up and deal with it at home, airliners is where I vent my frustrations. Norway isn't horrible it's just a strange place, I along with most expats I know or work with (not refugees) don't buy into the hype.
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:52 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 28):
Mortyman you must have been living in a cave for a long time if you think service in Norway is any good.

I don't think is good or bad. Just right   In most other countries you have to pay tips and you get misserable service in return. In Norway you don't have to tip  
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 28):
I don't voice my dissatisfaction of Norway to my wife, I just man up and deal with it at home, airliners is where I vent my frustrations.

Maybe you should man up and talk to your wife instead of venting your frustrations here ? People here on the forum are nice enough, but we can't really give you any sollid help with whatever problems you have with Norway...
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:52 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):

I have been to these places. French Polynesia and Cook Islands twice and Samoa once. The probelm with these island nations is that there is to little work and future for people on this island. They are heavely dependant on tourism and foreign aid. Alot of the population on these islands are moving abroad for an education and better life mwith a future. There are more Cook islanders in New Zealand and Australia for instance than in the Cook Islands. But it's a great people. Especially the Cook islanders are wonderful. However it has it's price living in paradise. These island nations are nice places to visit as tourist, but I'm not sure I would move and live in any of these island groups.  

So have I, and I completely agree with your analysis above.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 28):
I don't voice my dissatisfaction of Norway to my wife, I just man up and deal with it at home, airliners is where I vent my frustrations. Norway isn't horrible it's just a strange place, I along with most expats I know or work with (not refugees) don't buy into the hype.

I understand why you think this. No offense to the Norwegians in here, but even as a Dane, I think Norway is too cold and isolated from the rest of Europe. The nature is second to none though, but I wouldn't want to live there myself. Only visit as a tourist.
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:11 pm

I agree with most if not all, "quality of life" does not necessarly mean you will be happy, I do agree that Brasil, Puerto Rico (of course), Costa Rica, and even Colombia the people live happier than in Scandinavia....not live BETTER but happier...that's just my perception.
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:23 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
As the article says, they're really measuring prosperity, not happiness. Happiness is entirely subjective.

Here's an other large global study, where people were asked do they FEEL happy.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/14/wor...style-realestate-gallup-table.html

"Quantifying happiness isn't an easy task. Researchers at the Gallup World Poll went about it by surveying thousands of respondents in 155 countries, between 2005 and 2009, in order to measure two types of well-being.

First they asked subjects to reflect on their overall satisfaction with their lives, and ranked their answers using a "life evaluation" score from 1 to 10. Then they asked questions about how each subject had felt the previous day. Those answers allowed researchers to score their "daily experiences"--things like whether they felt well-rested, respected, free of pain and intellectually engaged."

TOP 20:

1. Denmark
2. Finland
3. Norway
4. Sweden
4. Netherlands
6. Costa Rica
6. New Zealand
8. Canada
8. Israel
8. Australia
8. Switzerland
12. Panama
12. Brazil
14. United States
14. Austria
16. Belgium
17. United Kingdom
18. Mexico
18. Turkmenistan
20. United Arab Emirates
 
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:34 pm

Not sure about the latin countries being thát happy. Latin people often have a more extravert and spontanious character and know how to party, but hidden behind a facade many have issues within the family, they feel more pressure to do what their family, or church, or their surroundings / peers expects. While many latin Economies are doing better, a good education is often not the entrance ticket to a decent job; family and friends are more important. Many people have jobs they don't actually want or deserve and there is less ability to choose what to do in live. Maybe due to frustration, violence, drug and drink abuse and many young people trying to move to other countries is common.
OK it sounds a bit as a generalization, of course it's not the same everywhere and with eveyone, but it's based on that I have been there a lot, read macro economic books and papers, know many people and have been long term partners with two Latin persons.
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Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 31):
I agree with most if not all, "quality of life" does not necessarly mean you will be happy, I do agree that Brasil, Puerto Rico (of course), Costa Rica, and even Colombia the people live happier than in Scandinavia....not live BETTER but happier...that's just my perception.

Yes money doesn't necessarily bring happiness. I think the Nordics feel happy because they generally feel safe and equal, even though it means higher taxes than somewhere else. I probably would have more cash to spend in US but I prefer the Nordic way.

I know Finns appreciate the 'socialistic' Nordic system where we all have access to free education, from kindergarten to universities, low cost health care and rather good public services over all. According to the polls majority of Finns, including myself, are ready to pay even more taxes to keep this model. Personally I feel I have got a lot in return, also little extra like in 2009 the state sponsored my 8-month long sabbatical, I just needed to find an unemployed person to substitute me at work. Everybody won.

It's hard to say what happens to the Nordic model in the future, in Finland the fast ageing population is the biggest challenge. And the income inequality is increasing also in Finland.

I'm not a big fan of the long dark winters, but the central heating keeps the houses warm. And you can always book a flight to sunny Thailand or Canary Islands, the snow doesn't close the airports  







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Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:24 am

Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):
I find that the people of the Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people.
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
The probelm with these island nations is that there is to little work and future for people on this island.

Bingo. I just moved from living in the Caribbean for 16 months, and it is not a happy place to live. Work prospects are bleak and money is scarce. I just dropped more money at the grocery store than most of the citizens of Dominica make in a month (my fridge was very very empty). A bad work ethic means industry literally jumped ship from the Caribbean to other places such as China and South America. While the same crime problems are seen in the United States and Europe, when you have an island population of only 70,000 (the island I lived on anyway) problems such as drug addiction, alcohol abuse, and loose-knit family structures manifest themselves to a greater degree. Most "capable" people leave, and go to the States, UK, or France (if French speaking, which my island was). Yes, a lot of people leave every country every day -- but in the last ten years almost 8,000 people have emigrated, over ten percent of the population. Secondary health care is very poor. Having lived there so long I have discussed (mostly listening) to citizens vent their frustrations, and this by no means is everything there is about living there, but it is not easy to live in those places. They laugh and carry on (boy do they carry on) to forget that they are largely dependent either on handouts or kissing the behinds of obnoxious American and European tourists for their cash.
 
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:40 am

Quoting zhiao (Reply 2):

Very western centric. I find that the people of the Carribbean and Latin America are the happiest people.

I agree. A lot of people from S. America and Latin America are very friendly and happy people even though a lot of them are below the poverty line. I'm Filipino-American and I got to say that although most Filipinos are in poverty, they're a bunch of happy people and you could see that they're enjoying life...sorta.


And yay US is # 10! 
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
I buy #4 and #5 personally, but unless you're from there, Scandinavian countries are just too darned cold.

Meh. I'd deal with the cold. Denmark and Norway are my kind of places. Denmark is just a little too flat or it'd be heaven.
 
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:45 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
I just don't think people should buy into the hype about Norway because as far as I'm concerned it's all a load of rubbish. I'm here because my wife wants to be here, close to her family and friends, I love my wife and kids a lot, so I stay.

Well it doesn't sound like you are being a very gracious guest, which is something most Kiwi's pride themselves on....you are letting the side down!!

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 27):
Man, you got issues... If Norway is so horrible, I have no doubt that a man such as yourself with so hard hitting arguments can find a way to convince your wife to move to New Zealand.

I agree. there are deeper issues than just an impression of Norway here....perhaps a complex about having to be submissive to the wife's choice.....a bit of compromised manhood??
 
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:21 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 29):
I don't think is good or bad. Just right In most other countries you have to pay tips and you get misserable service in return. In Norway you don't have to tip

I will concede you that point. I despise paying tips.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 29):
People here on the forum are nice enough, but we can't really give you any sollid help with whatever problems you have with Norway...

I don't have any serious problems with Norway I just don't believe it lives up to it's hype or Norwegians expectations, People here happily gloss over the crap food, expensive cars, overpriced homes and all the rest because they believe that Norway is the best, which makes the wikileaks claim that Norwegians arrogant all the more true.

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 38):
Well it doesn't sound like you are being a very gracious guest, which is something most Kiwi's pride themselves on....you are letting the side down!!

Only on this forum, if you spoke to any of my friends or co workers they wouldn't have a clue of my dissatisfaction.

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 38):
I agree. there are deeper issues than just an impression of Norway here....perhaps a complex about having to be submissive to the wife's choice.....a bit of compromised manhood??

Yeah right  
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:22 am

Happiest countries in the World

1. Norway
2. Denmark
3. Finland

I see the choices as being 1) racist and 2) defined by purely materialistic Westernized standards of living.

Why not Cuba? Why not Trinidad? Why not Thailand?

 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:36 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 40):
I see the choices as being 1) racist and 2) defined by purely materialistic Westernized standards of living.

Why not Cuba? Why not Trinidad? Why not Thailand?

Check reply #32, there's an other recent global study where people were ASKED if they are happy. The same Nordic countries in TOP 3, but also Costa Rica, Panama, and Brazil in TOP 15.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/14/wor...style-realestate-gallup-table.html

[Edited 2011-01-24 01:39:36]
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:51 am

Quoting HELyes (Reply 41):
Check reply #32, there's an other recent global study where people were ASKED if they are happy.

I will take Costa Rica any day over any Scandinavivan country. Costa Rica is one heck of a nice country!

I am surprised not to see Monaco in the top list. They probably did not go there to ask the residents how they like living in the Principality.

The same with France. If hundreds of thousands have moved/migrated to France from Europe and other continents since the end of WWII it means it must not be such a bad place to live.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:14 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 42):
I will take Costa Rica any day over any Scandinavivan country. Costa Rica is one heck of a nice country!

Yes Costa Rica looks one of the best places in Americas. Could be a great to live, with my middle class income, but what if the money wouldn't be there anymore... I think I would miss the Nordic safety nets then.
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:41 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 42):
If hundreds of thousands have moved/migrated to France from Europe and other continents since the end of WWII it means it must not be such a bad place to live.

Millions of people have immigrated to France because the French and Germans needed cheap labor in the post war years to drive their economies. The fact that the French will dole out full "unemployment" benefits to people who have only lived their six months makes it an even easier choice. Sounds great in theory, but despite their efforts to provide guaranteed security they're still about to bankrupt themselves too.
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:36 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 14):
Bottom 20 (lifted from wikipedia) of the Legatum list :

Considering there are, what, almost 200 countries in the world, and the list you cite ends at 110...seems like a LOT of countries are missing, not just North Korea, Myanmar, Somalia...
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:15 pm

ABC's 20/20 did a story about this 'phenomenon' a few years ago, and in my opinion it still rings somewhat true.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4086092&page=1

ETA: The last bit of the article is a bit over the top. I sure as hell wouldn't leave my bicycle unlocked, nor do I know anyone who would leave their kid in a stroller outside a cafe or bar. Especially now that they've banned smoking in those locations.

[Edited 2011-01-24 08:18:33]
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Realistically and practically speaking, what do you expect from a research group based in London?

I think another problem is getting good data from developing countires. Many countries don't collect and certainly won't publish population data on subjects such as education and health care.

I'm surprised Finland wasn't No1 on that list. They are very clean, law loving, organised and know how to have a good time.

I wish the UK could attempt to make a bit more of an effort in satisfying its inhabitants.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:50 pm



Quoting Santi319 (Reply 31):
I agree with most if not all, "quality of life" does not necessarly mean you will be happy, I do agree that Brasil, Puerto Rico (of course), Costa Rica, and even Colombia the people live happier than in Scandinavia....not live BETTER but happier...that's just my perception.

Or maybe it is down to cultural differences, and by that I mean that maybe Scandinavian people express happiness in a different way than they do in Latin America for example. Scandinavians perhaps are not smiling as much as other people but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't happy.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 46):

ETA: The last bit of the article is a bit over the top. I sure as hell wouldn't leave my bicycle unlocked, nor do I know anyone who would leave their kid in a stroller outside a cafe or bar. Especially now that they've banned smoking in those locations.

I've seen it many times that people leave their kids outside in a stroller. Last time was about a week ago in Fisketorvet shopping center. The mother asked the employee at Silvan to look after her son while she went shopping.

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RE: World's Happiest Countries 2010

Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:38 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
Scandinavians perhaps are not smiling as much as other people but it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't happy.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

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