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Glimpse Of Real Australia......?

Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:31 pm

Thought this might be of interest. It's a group of young people who staged a performance at a Perth shopping centre to support an appeal for help for the Queensland flood victims. Apparently they raised quite a bit, good for them.......

As it happens, a lot of people (myself included) would like to see this song adopted as the national anthem, instead of the silly childish thing we have at the moment.

Anyway - hope people enjoy watching it. A real 'tear-jerker' if you live here, this sort of thing is exactly what Australia (at its best) is all about.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGoNbrODq8U

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Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:41 pm

Nice and touching.
Somewhat reminiscent of Irish ballads, it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:32 pm

wow... this is wonderful... patriotism for a good cause! so well put together and professional... not an off note, all good singers... congragulations and all the better for them... i hope they will raise a lot of funds for the Queensland flood victims.

  
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:44 pm

Sounds like something you might hear at a New Age Evangelical Church.

Good on them for doing something to raise some money for the flood relief though.
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:04 pm

This is a great song that always makes me feel very proud, and as an Australian now living overseas, it certainly is a tear-jerker for me.

I do feel that our current anthem needs replacing, and I think that 'I am Australian' would be a much better choice. That said, I'm still not sure I would consider it to be an ideal anthem. It is a wonderful, stirring ballad that fills me with pride each time I hear it...but it lacks something which an anthem needs. I think iakobos might be on to something, ie it seems to lack a certain desired tempo for an anthem, and it doesn't conclude with a big rousing 'knockout' of a held note.

It's a wonderful song, I just can't envisage it as an anthem though. Still, I'd take it over 'Advance Australia Fair' any day.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 1):
it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.

My preference was Waltzing Matilda.

As for the kids in the video: Good on 'em. Perth always has been a generous city and it's nice to know the younger ones are following their "elders". WIsh I had been there to see it.
 
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:29 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
My preference was Waltzing Matilda.

Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.
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Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:10 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.

There was a vote in 1976 - AAF won with 43%, Waltzing Matilda 28%, GSTQ/K 18%. It'd be much closer these days.

Good on the kids doign something positive to help others!!!

As to the song, well, at least it's no "Say G'Day"......
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:15 am

Its sounds Very Similar to Lee Greenwood's - Proud to be an American (there is also a Canadian Version). Its a good song but not something I would think would be an anthem. But hey the Aussies could pioneer something if it became their anthem.

Also and an Aussie would say "Good on them doing this to raise money for the flood victims!!"
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:54 am

Quoting iakobos (Reply 1):
Nice and touching.
Somewhat reminiscent of Irish ballads, it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.

But that's it. This is what I envy about Australia and Australians.

As an American, I feel alienated from my national anthem and symbols. I feel that they have been stolen from me, taken as symbols not of my nation and people, but of the most extreme, prideful, and arrogant segments of our society. In America, the flag is entertwined with American "greatness." And our military. You can't be patriotic in this country without loving the military.

Australians have a deep national pride, and I felt that during my travels there. But while it's a quiet, humble sort of pride, I get nothing of the arrogant superiority that I feel when I see my own national symbols. It's a pride about unity, about being 21 million people on a huge landmass. About being land of immigrants and settlers. Strong and independent, but humble and united. I feel that in many ways, Australia is what I wish America was.

I look forward to the day when I can see an American flag again as representing the other America. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:23 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.

This is australia we are talking about...   
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:00 am

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 10):
This is australia we are talking about...

Big call from one who's island provided the criminals!!  
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
Something tells me you might have a bit of trouble getting a song about a criminal committing suicide to become a national anthem.

And with it's copyright held in the USA!

The video..... Like the song, liked the sentiment... big enough to admit to becoming a little misty eyed!
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:07 pm

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 4):
It's a wonderful song, I just can't envisage it as an anthem though.

I can just imagine "honest John" Howard and Pauline Hanson singing it, with tears in their eyes, especially the during the bit about "from all the lands on earth we come".

But the lyrics are powerful, reflecting the people from diverse backgrounds who have through their several and joint efforts built modern Australia. Most Australians share that view, a positive one that it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, if you work honestly to support yourself and your family and are willing to make a contribution, you will be accepted as Australian.

Despite that, I am not sure whether it should become our national anthem. It could certainly be used to promote migrants becoming citizens and at popular celebrations like Australia Day. The advantage over Advance Australia Fair is that it does have a singalong feel to it, whereas our official anthem sounds more like a dirge. The "let us rejoice" in the lyrics seems at odds with the solemnity of the music.
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:08 pm

Thanks for all the kind comments, guys and gals. Glad I posted it, it seems to have touched many people.....

Quoting Quokka (Reply 12):
it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, if you work honestly to support yourself and your family and are willing to make a contribution, you will be accepted as Australian.

Spot on, Quokka. Just so long as newcomers don't do anything REALLY silly, like supporting Collingwood........  
Quoting iakobos (Reply 1):
it might lack martial tempo to get promoted to national anthem though.
Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 4):
it lacks something which an anthem needs. I think iakobos might be on to something, ie it seems to lack a certain desired tempo for an anthem, and it doesn't conclude with a big rousing 'knockout' of a held note.

Anthems in general don't bother me a lot. In my time, as a British reservist serving in occupied Germany many years ago, I did my share of standing to attention and 'presenting arms' while 'God saved the Queen' and/or our American cousins recalled 'the rockets' red glare.....'. Even had to parade once with the French, still waiting for their 'day of glory' to arrive again......  

But, looking back, I AM left with the impression that most national anthems are just plain nonsense; at best relics of the distant (and usually military) past. An anthem that actually reflected what people feel about their country, now, today, might not be at all a bad thing.......?

I don't think the 'tempo' is a problem. I'm no musician, but as far as I can tell the tune appears to be in 4/4 time. Experimenting by marching up and down my living-room (the idiotic things we A.netters find ourselves doing  ) , as far as I can see, all you'd have to do to make it suitably 'martial' is to play it a bit quicker........

For people who don't know the current (frankly awful) Aussie anthem, here it is. Popularly known as 'Gert,' for reasons that will become clear as you listen.........  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcMuf8wE52k

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Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:37 pm

Or, how about Adam Hills' version of Advance Australia Fair sung to the tune of Jimmy Barnes "Working Class Man"?

Now THAT sounds cool!

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Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Spot on, Quokka. Just so long as newcomers don't do anything REALLY silly, like supporting Collingwood........

Being an Eagles supporter I don't care who they support as long as it is not Collingwood despite Mick Malthouse's invaluable contribution in building the club before joining Collingwood. Credit where credit is due.  
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Popularly known as 'Gert,'

And what is wrong with Gert having a nice day out at the beach with the kids?  
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:25 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
But, looking back, I AM left with the impression that most national anthems are just plain nonsense; at best relics of the distant (and usually military) past. An anthem that actually reflected what people feel about their country, now, today, might not be at all a bad thing.......?

I think the german anthem represents most of these aspects within its different verses, of which only one is actually the official anthem today and the other two having been misused, misunderstood and/or originally intended for entirely different purposes.

The song above does indeed seem to reflect a more enlightened view of the nation than most anthems traditionally did (and the third and nowadays official verse of the german anthem goes into a similar direction by itself).

Australia has its own sometimes difficult history, and I think acknowledging these roots and taking a positive stance towards the future is the best people can do.  
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:57 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):

But, looking back, I AM left with the impression that most national anthems are just plain nonsense; at best relics of the distant (and usually military) past. An anthem that actually reflected what people feel about their country, now, today, might not be at all a bad thing.......?

Ours is a big run-on question. Go figger...
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
As an American, I feel alienated from my national anthem and symbols. I feel that they have been stolen from me, taken as symbols not of my nation and people, but of the most extreme, prideful, and arrogant segments of our society. In America, the flag is entertwined with American "greatness." And our military. You can't be patriotic in this country without loving the military.

Australians have a deep national pride, and I felt that during my travels there. But while it's a quiet, humble sort of pride, I get nothing of the arrogant superiority that I feel when I see my own national symbols. It's a pride about unity, about being 21 million people on a huge landmass. About being land of immigrants and settlers. Strong and independent, but humble and united. I feel that in many ways, Australia is what I wish America was.

I look forward to the day when I can see an American flag again as representing the other America. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Wow, you have really nailed it there Doc. I'm an Australian now living in America, and while I think great things about America too, I am having quite a difficult time adjusting. And I think so much of it is because of what you have so eloquently stated above: I miss the quiet, humble sort of pride that we have in Australia. In Australia, I can be critical of our government and our military without having fellow Australians jump down my throat and label me "un-Australian". I can be a patriotic Australian without being arrogant and without saluting the military.
I can't do the same here. Lately I have been at real risk of losing the few friends I have made here in America, just because I have been quite critical of America - in particular the more 'arrogant' aspects of the national character, American foreign policy and the US military. But apparently those are the very things which define pride here, and as an Australian it does sadden me.  
Quoting Quokka (Reply 12):
I can just imagine "honest John" Howard and Pauline Hanson singing it, with tears in their eyes, especially the during the bit about "from all the lands on earth we come".

Yes, can't you just?    A discussion of this song, or of multiculturalism in general almost always yields to comments being made about what a wonderful country Australia is because of it's diversity, and it's relative openness to migration - no matter who you talk to. This really just shows how out of touch people like Hanson and Howard were. Good riddance to them. (Admittedly though, there are many in the current government who are not a whole lot better).

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Spot on, Quokka. Just so long as newcomers don't do anything REALLY silly, like supporting Collingwood........

Yes, I can hardly think of a sillier crime than this   Although supporting Essendon has to come pretty close  
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
only one is actually the official anthem today and the other two having been misused, misunderstood and/or originally intended for entirely different purposes.

Last time I was in Germany in any sort of 'official capacity,' Klaus (showing my age, it was about 1960) the German anthem said, "Germany, Germany, over everyone, over everyone in the world."

Has it now changed?
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19):
"Germany, Germany, over everyone, over everyone in the world."

That's not a good translation of "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt,".

Better would be "Germany, Germany above all, Above everything in the world" .. the words above and over are not interchangable.

I don't know if this is still part of the anthem, but it's nothing to write home about. The French want to fertilize farms with their enemies' blood, Britannia wants to rule the world's oceans, the US wants to fight from the shores of Tripoli to Mexico. More modest countries speak of defense.

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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:55 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 19):
Last time I was in Germany in any sort of 'official capacity,' Klaus (showing my age, it was about 1960) the German anthem said, "Germany, Germany, over everyone, over everyone in the world."

Has it now changed?

I'm not that young, but even I hadn't been born back then!

Atually, that 1st stanza has never been the official anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany – it was retired after its horrendous misuse during the Third Reich. (Althought there had been some conservative attempts to restore all three stanzas, but they never got any traction and the matter is now settled.)

The original text was actually written with a very different intention:

Deutschlandlied - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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August Heinrich Hoffmann (who called himself von Fallersleben after his home town to distinguish himself from others with the same common name of "Hoffmann") wrote the text in 1841 on vacation on the North Sea island Heligoland, then a possession of the United Kingdom.

Hoffmann von Fallersleben intended Das Lied der Deutschen to be sung to Haydn's tune, as the first publication of the poem included the music. The first line, "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, über alles in der Welt" (usually translated into English as "Germany, Germany above all, above all in the world"), was an appeal to the various German monarchs to give the creation of a united Germany a higher priority than the independence of their small states. In the third stanza, with a call for "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit" (unity and justice and freedom), Hoffmann expressed his desire for a united and free Germany where the rule of law, not monarchical arbitrariness, would prevail.[3]

In the era after the Congress of Vienna, which was influenced by Prince Metternich and his secret police, Hoffmann's text had a distinctly revolutionary, and at the same time liberal, connotation, since the demand for a united Germany was most often made in connection with demands for freedom of press and other liberal rights. Its implication that loyalty to a larger Germany should replace loyalty to one's sovereign personally was in itself a revolutionary idea.

The year after he wrote Das Deutschlandlied, Hoffmann von Fallersleben lost his job as a librarian and professor in Breslau, Prussia because of this and other revolutionary works, and was forced into hiding until being pardoned after the revolutions of 1848.

This shows that the way the nazis mis-used the anthem was completely alien to the original intentions behind it, but the first stanza is now just too toxic (and the second obviously too silly ), so only the third stanza is used any more, which is actually very nice.

This example shows what a complex history such national symbols can sometimes have and how perspectives can change over time.

I hope that australians will find something really nice and forward-looking; But I would be surprised if it would be an easy birth...
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:00 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 20):
That's not a good translation of "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, Über alles in der Welt,".

Better would be "Germany, Germany above all, Above everything in the world" .. the words above and over are not interchangable.

Indeed. Although the original intention was really not the one illustrated so effectively in Casablanca...!

(See above.)

Quoting Asturias (Reply 20):
I don't know if this is still part of the anthem, but it's nothing to write home about.
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:16 pm

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 18):
I miss the quiet, humble sort of pride that we have in Australia.

Golly I nearly chucked my dinner reading this, Australians having a quiet humble pride, pull the other one, I've never met a quiet humble Australian, loud and in your face pride is more like it.  
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:45 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Golly I nearly chucked my dinner reading this, Australians having a quiet humble pride, pull the other one, I've never met a quiet humble Australian, loud and in your face pride is more like it.

Australians used to have a quiet humble pride.....

I like the humour of Brotown, where the "Kiwis" and South Africans pick on teh Aussie arrogance - totally de3servedly, from my observations.

Oh, and the Kiwi anthem is also a much better song than the Aussie anthem!!!
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:52 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Golly I nearly chucked my dinner reading this, Australians having a quiet humble pride, pull the other one, I've never met a quiet humble Australian, loud and in your face pride is more like it.

Point taken, but I really think this is only the case at a sports event. If you compare pride and arrogance as understood on a general day-to-day level between Australians and Americans, I think you will find that Australian pride really is really very humble. When asked about pride, the average patriotic Australian on the street is more likely to talk about the diversity of Australia, it's natural beauty and the friendly personalities of Australians. I feel that an American is more likely to display patriotism based on militaristic pride, and American values such as freedom and liberty...but these are values which are highly questionable in America today.
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 24):
Australians used to have a quiet humble pride.....

How long ago?  
Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 24):
Oh, and the Kiwi anthem is also a much better song than the Aussie anthem!!!

There are many who would agree to disagree with that! Old fashioned and all.. And a lot comment on how slow it is too.
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
There are many who would agree to disagree with that! Old fashioned and all.. And a lot comment on how slow it is too.

Silly Kiwis - better tune, better harmonies - very noticable if your singing them one after the other at some A-NZ function....

As for the when - maybe back when you guys had nuclear ships visiting  
 
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:44 pm

my old stomping grounds...lovely to see. and it should be the national anthem.
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:51 am

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 18):
In Australia, I can be critical of our government and our military without having fellow Australians jump down my throat and label me "un-Australian".

Right. In Australia, "un-Australian" is reserved for things like not liking beer, rooting (sorry, "barracking") for the All-Blacks, or thinking that kangaroos are too cute to eat. "Unaustralian" is more of a cutsey joke than an accusation of treasion like "Unamerican" is here.

Oh, there is definitely the conservative element there wanting to ban Burqas as "un-Australian," but for the most part I see it as a pejorative and not as an accusation.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):

Golly I nearly chucked my dinner reading this, Australians having a quiet humble pride, pull the other one, I've never met a quiet humble Australian, loud and in your face pride is more like it.

When you compare it to American pride, Australian pride is quiet and humble. AUSTRALIANS may not be, but the pride is quiet. Australians are proud to be... but they don't hold themselves superior to others (except Kiwis).
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:51 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
When you compare it to American pride, Australian pride is quiet and humble. AUSTRALIANS may not be, but the pride is quiet. Australians are proud to be... but they don't hold themselves superior to others (except Kiwis).

Now, where is the "Like" button, especially for the parenthetical element!  
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:22 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
but they don't hold themselves superior to others (except Kiwis).

Here's a clip of comedy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgAW2zaGkXU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJYvS87q1c&feature=related

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Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:45 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
This shows that the way the nazis mis-used the anthem was completely alien to the original intentions behind it, but the first stanza is now just too toxic (and the second obviously too silly ), so only the third stanza is used any more, which is actually very nice.

Thanks Klaus - I guess I 'stand corrected,' apologies.  

Probably time to raise the question of 'Waltzing Matilda,' which is undoubtedly Australia's 'leading song' - on a par with 'Land Of Hope And Glory' in the UK, or 'America, America.......' in the USA.

First, a straight 'performance' by a superbly-gifted Aussie singer called Slim Dusty:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvazMc5EfE

Secondly, a 'translation' of terms like 'swagman,' ''billy,' 'jumbuck,' 'squatters,' 'troopers', and so on.........  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INdjRCNcZj0
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:57 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 32):
Thanks Klaus - I guess I 'stand corrected,' apologies.

No problem.  
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:10 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 32):
Probably time to raise the question of 'Waltzing Matilda,' which is undoubtedly Australia's 'leading song' - on a par with 'Land Of Hope And Glory' in the UK, or 'America, America.......' in the USA.

First, a straight 'performance' by a superbly-gifted Aussie singer called Slim Dusty:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvazMc5EfE

Secondly, a 'translation' of terms like 'swagman,' ''billy,' 'jumbuck,' 'squatters,' 'troopers', and so on.........  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INdjR...NcZj0

Ah, thanks, especially for the explained version! 
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:21 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
Ours is a big run-on question.

Brilliant!...never thought of it that way.
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:58 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 26):
There are many who would agree to disagree with that! Old fashioned and all.. And a lot comment on how slow it is too.

It was ok when people knew the words, when we started it off in maori which nobody knew the words to we killed it. If we are going to do it in two languages, we should have started with English then sung the second verse in maori.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
but they don't hold themselves superior to others (except Kiwis).

But we all know they aren't (superior to Kiwis).
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:08 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 35):

Brilliant!...never thought of it that way.

It is. Nary a period in the whole thing until the question mark at the end!

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 36):

But we all know they aren't (superior to Kiwis).

I am staying the hell out of this one...
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 36):
But we all know they aren't (superior to Kiwis).

We're all one big happy family in the southern ocean!  

Sorry for an aviation related comment, but when are Oz-Kiwi flights moving to domestic status again?  
 
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:24 am

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 38):
Sorry for an aviation related comment, but when are Oz-Kiwi flights moving to domestic status again?

After a little chat with the immigration officer at SYD, he said that Australia will never get departing Smartgates put in as they're 'too unreliable'. That's one minor hurdle as AKL has already got departing Smartgates.. But it'll be great to finally see that happening (from my perspective anyway)!
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:38 pm

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 18):
Lately I have been at real risk of losing the few friends I have made here in America, just because I have been quite critical of America - in particular the more 'arrogant' aspects of the national character, American foreign policy and the US military.

Just some food for thought...it may have more to do with the fact that you are a guest than anything else. You and I probably agree 90% or more on the substance of what you say but it would piss me off to hear you say it. If you want to put your chips on the table and become a citizen then I'm all ears.

Like somebody coming to stay at my house and complaining about my wife's cooking. I know it's terrible but I'll be damned to hear it from them. They can always go back home if they are fed up, but I am committed to it.

Likewise I wouldn't speak critically of Australia if I were living there, even if Austrlians around me were. Just doesn't seem appropriate.

Of course at the end of the day it is (still) a relatively free country, and you can speak your mind if you like.

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Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:13 pm

What a fine bunch - I'd be very proud if my son had been a part of such a thing.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):

I look forward to the day when I can see an American flag again as representing the other America. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I guess I wonder where this guy lives... wherever it is, cynicism dwells therewith.
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:18 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 41):
I guess I wonder where this guy lives... wherever it is, cynicism dwells therewith.

I love the United States, sccutler. Whatever else it is, it's a great country by any standards; and I love it. But it tends to produce the best or the worst, most often there's no 'in-between.'

Looking on the bright side, here's two of my 'best' recollections of the USA. Firstly, the late great Ray Charles singing what may hopefully become, in due time, the US national anthem:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghz4_kikLkE&feature=related

Secondly (due to my brother making his life and career in LA) I once had the privilege of meeting a marvellous lady called Rita Moreno. She was even more beautiful and 'vital' in real life than she was on the movie screen. And it was my privilege to tell her that she'd been the lead artist in the best single movie song and dance scene I'd ever seen in my life. And I guess that still holds true; anyone who reckons they've ever seen a better one, speak up  :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k

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Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:06 pm

Quoting CharlieNoble (Reply 40):
Just some food for thought...it may have more to do with the fact that you are a guest than anything else. You and I probably agree 90% or more on the substance of what you say but it would piss me off to hear you say it. If you want to put your chips on the table and become a citizen then I'm all ears.

Like somebody coming to stay at my house and complaining about my wife's cooking. I know it's terrible but I'll be damned to hear it from them. They can always go back home if they are fed up, but I am committed to it.

Likewise I wouldn't speak critically of Australia if I were living there, even if Austrlians around me were. Just doesn't seem appropriate.

Actually I have been living here in the US for a long time and have been attempting to become a citizen for years, so at this point I feel that I am no longer a 'guest' but a resident, and I can assure you that my American friends feel the same way about my status here.

And if you were living in Australia and you had constructive criticism then I'd absolutely encourage you to make it, regardless of whether you were a guest or a resident or a citizen. As long as we were engaging in a respectful, well substantiated argument it wouldn't piss me off at all.
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:39 pm

Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 43):
And if you were living in Australia and you had constructive criticism then I'd absolutely encourage you to make it, regardless of whether you were a guest or a resident or a citizen.

Hmmm I wish I could say that about Norwegians, however Norwegians cannot accept any critism of the socialist paradise that they have created.

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