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So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:35 pm

Paranoia perhaps but

Malaysia has stepped up a campaign to stop Muslims celebrating Valentine's Day - labelling it a "trap" that could encourage immoral behaviour.

Deputy Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin said Monday's celebration of romantic love was "not suitable" for Muslims.

Several Malaysian states are planning to carry out checks on hotels to stop young couples having premarital sex.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12443104

If you're going to be "immoral" I don't think you need a special day to do it and, anyway, like many things these days it seems to have gone well beyond a bit of innocent fun and be more about merchandising than anything else.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting oly720man (Thread starter):
Several Malaysian states are planning to carry out checks on hotels to stop young couples having premarital sex.

Definitely something no state has any right to do.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:21 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 1):
Definitely something no state has any right to do.

And yet something that elected officials in our own government have sometimes discussed doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG62Gh8ffbY
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 2):
And yet something that elected officials in our own government have sometimes discussed doing.

But they didn't do it....

Quoting oly720man (Thread starter):
Deputy Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin said Monday's celebration of romantic love was "not suitable" for Muslims.

Can Muslims have any kind of romantic love according to this guy?

Valentine's day is my birthday and it is kind of a pain in the butt. I rarely ever go out for dinner on my birthday because all the resturants are crowded. People always give those candy hearts too (the ones with sayings on them) and I hate those things......
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:18 pm

A beautiful, non-harmful, romantic Valentine song

Valentine... by Willie Nelson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX35JqAuCgw

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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:52 pm

I hate Valentines Day, I think it is a bunch of commercialized BS. If you are the type of person that buys your girl flowers anytime of the year just for the hell of it, and take her out to dinner, and treat her like a lady, why do I need a day that says if I don't do it on that day, I am a bad guy?
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:56 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 5):
I think it is a bunch of commercialized BS.

Every special day is now being recooped by commercialism. Christmas, Mother's/Father's Day, Easter, Halloween... and thus they lose their true meaning and charm, which I find a real shame.

 

Valentine's Day has lost its innocent charm. Maybe this is why the Muslims want to have it banned.

I remember during the late 1950's and 1960's in France, Saint Valentine's Day was symbolized by two charming lovers by illustrator Peynet. The lovers pretty drawings were seen everywhere on Valentine's Day.

http://a10.idata.over-blog.com/500x372/0/49/59/58/images4/IMG_3895.jpg

http://a21.idata.over-blog.com/286x299/0/51/79/15/peynet.jpg

http://www.amoureux-peynet.com/logos/les_amoureux_aux_colombes.jpg

  
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:48 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Valentine's Day has lost its innocent charm. Maybe this is why the Muslims want to have it banned.

I know at least one Christian that wants it banned too.


This guy.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:10 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
This guy.

? Missing a link, I think.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:14 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 8):
? Missing a link, I think.

He's talking about himself...
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:18 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 8):
? Missing a link, I think.

No. I'm thinking DLX wants it banned.

The person that Valentine's Day harms is the man that forgets it, assuming his significant other cares about that stuff. Quite thankfully, mine doesn't.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 10):
The person that Valentine's Day harms is the man that forgets it, assuming his significant other cares about that stuff. Quite thankfully, mine doesn't.

Exactly. Valentine's Day is a tax on the thoughtful man for being thoughtful.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting cerretaman (Reply 9):
He's talking about himself...

Hmm. One of those days when the brain's not firing on all cylinders.....
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:40 pm

Well since my Fiance is Hungarian, I don't have to worry about Valentines Day, Woman's Day is the one that they do, which is March 8, I think?  Wow!
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 13):
Woman's Day is the one that they do,

They should rename Valentine's Day "women's day" here.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:38 pm

I won this year. I got the card, she didn't. But, who actually cares? It's commercial drivel and should be stopped. Mind you, the Malaysian authorities seem to be a tad OTT with their point of view.

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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:45 pm

Valentines Day sucks for single guys like me.

I am in BKK right now and V day has just finished. I went out for a steak with Mr Superfly and everywhere that sold steaks seemed to be only doing over priced valentines dinners designed for couples. So in the end we went for a steak at at American run joint and it was excellent. No Valentines BS there either which was good, just friendly atmosphere,


Anyway, I'm headed to bed - alone.

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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:16 pm

V-day is useless. Used to be cute when we were kids with card exchange, fun in high school when you could sic sentiment on the girlfriend who happened to fall on February, and a bit more fun in college when you could use it as an excuse to push the kink envelope. Now it has been totally ruined. Cards and candy for everyone in the office?? What the hell? It's supposed to be a holiday for sweethearts. Now Wal*Mart is telling people they have a V-day sale on waffle irons? WTF??
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 19):
Now Wal*Mart is telling people they have a V-day sale on waffle irons? WTF??

I'm not sure that's as strange as it seems to strike you - for god's sake, in this country we evidently remember our war dead by reducing washing machine prices.

But it is always a bad idea to present your woman with a gift of a kitchen appliance, that's for sure. I think they prefer jewelry.

And hey, Aaron, why the "reverence" for that evil retailer by putting the star in there? That company doesn't deserve that kind of attention. (I am proud to say I have never set foot in a WalMart or even any of their parking lots.)
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 20):
I'm not sure that's as strange as it seems to strike you - for god's sake, in this country we evidently remember our war dead by reducing washing machine prices.

Oh right there with you. But it just gets worse and worse every year - what a joke. ABC reported people are spending up to $115 on Valentine's day including gifts/cards for co-workers, friends, and what not.

Quoting Airstud (Reply 20):
But it is always a bad idea to present your woman with a gift of a kitchen appliance, that's for sure.

Well I don't worry about that part - my wife thinks V-day is a corporate scam.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:50 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 19):
But it is always a bad idea to present your woman with a gift of a kitchen appliance

My dad used to say that until he got my mom a Kitchen Aid mixer for Christmas. She said it was the best and most useful gift she ever got. My dad once got my mom a lawnmower for mother's day, that didn't go over well, but I thought it was funny.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:14 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 3):
Valentine's day is my birthday

Mine too. Happy birthday, Falstaff!
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 18):
I went out for a steak with Mr Superfly
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 18):
Anyway, I'm headed to bed - alone.

Not sure how to interpret that.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:27 pm

I don't think it's too bad - although, I don't think having 1 day that is dedicated to somebody is that great. If you love them, surely every day should be a day you do something nice for them or buy them something you know they'll like. Me and my girlfriend do it all the time, although this was our first V day together, and the first V day either one of us has been able to share it with somebody else.

You don't even have to spend a lot for it to be romantic. I think I spent £30 on flowers (Although, being V day, I reckon I got a pretty good deal considering a certain place in my local town wanted £46 for FOUR ROSES (I shit you not, seriously.)), and £1 on a card. I got her an iPod Touch that she's been after for a long time as well, and I had it engraved for her too but I was going to buy her that anyway.

Remember - It's not the amount you spend, it's the amount you love somebody. I'd be happy with nothing on V day and just to spend time with her, but that's just me.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:32 pm

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 5):
I hate Valentines Day, I think it is a bunch of commercialized BS. If you are the type of person that buys your girl flowers anytime of the year just for the hell of it, and take her out to dinner, and treat her like a lady, why do I need a day that says if I don't do it on that day, I am a bad guy?

My thoughts exactly! Happy Hallmark Day everyone!
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:42 pm

Quoting oly720man (Thread starter):

If you're going to be "immoral" I don't think you need a special day to do it and, anyway, like many things these days it seems to have gone well beyond a bit of innocent fun and be more about merchandising than anything else.

You are trying to use a standard of logic and sense to a fundamentalist religion. By definition, fundamentalism is not based on logic and sense. It is based on blind dogma and authoritarian control by one or a few individuals who claim to have a private phone line to God.

One of several features that fundamentalist religions have in common is the belief that any sort of pleasure is immoral. Sex is a necessary evil for reproduction only. No drinking. No drugs. Etc. The only form of "pleasure" allowed is through prayer.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
The only form of "pleasure" allowed is through prayer.

w00 w00!!

Get your pray on, b!tches!!!
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:58 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 22):
Not sure how to interpret that

Haha yeah ok! What I meant to write was - I went to bed alone therefore dispelling the myth that guys only go to BKK to find ladies to sleep with......

I'm awake now, can't sleep..... Darn climate!
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:06 am

It is a very commercialised "holiday".
However, it only takes a little bit to satisfy your loved one. I bought my wife a 7$ fluffy teddy bear and she was thrilled. Not too much damage here. Atleast not to my pocket.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:28 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
You are trying to use a standard of logic and sense to a fundamentalist religion. By definition, fundamentalism is not based on logic and sense. It is based on blind dogma and authoritarian control by one or a few individuals who claim to have a private phone line to God.

One of several features that fundamentalist religions have in common is the belief that any sort of pleasure is immoral. Sex is a necessary evil for reproduction only. No drinking. No drugs. Etc. The only form of "pleasure" allowed is through prayer.


Thanks for the lesson, Expert on Islam and "fundamental" religions.   

Ignorance...I hate when users spew false information.

Assuming you're talking about Islam..

There are is no one man or group of people that are connected to god, and speak to him, Muslims don't have a pope like figure or anything of that source. Everyman for himself.

In Islam, sexual intercourse and other sexual acts between married couples is highly encouraged and its mainly for pleasure, and isn't something they do only to procreate. You are correct about the drugs and alcohol, those are forbidden.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:26 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 22):
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 18):
I went out for a steak with Mr Superfly
Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 18):
Anyway, I'm headed to bed - alone.

Not sure how to interpret that.


LOL!         

BMIflyer, you had plenty of options. That was your choice.

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 16):
Valentines Day sucks for single guys like me.


NO!
Valentine's is GREAT for us single guys. No pressure to do anything special. Funny thing is that I got lots of chocolate and candy from different women in the office. Then gave those to girls I like that I don't work with.  
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I don't eat sweets anyway.

Quoting zalemam (Reply 29):
In Islam, sexual intercourse and other sexual acts between married couples is highly encouraged and its mainly for pleasure,


Sad but true and often is for the pleasure of the man only. In the most strict Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Oman, there is no legal age of consent and a grown man can marry a 4 year old girl if he wants and I doubt it's "pleasure" for the little girl.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:40 am

Yes, it's harmful to my wallet.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:42 am

Many public schools in the USA are having to downplay considerably or ban 'celebrations' of Valentines Day. Pressure from fundimentalist Christians, growing numbers of kids of the Islamic or Hindu faiths or from fears of social pressures if certain kids don't get cards, or even concerns of sexual harassment.

Sometimes these holidays are nothing but a scam by the card makers, candy makers, jewerly stores and florists to make money during a quiet time of the year putting the guilt trip on mainly men to spend money some may not have. The makers of Viagra also allegedly have a bump up in demand of V-day.
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:28 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 32):
Sometimes these holidays are nothing but a scam by the card makers,

Well, it's been around a fair while

From

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallmark_holiday

further reading

Leigh Eric Schmidt (December 1991). "The Commercialization of the Calendar: American Holidays and the Culture of Consumption, 1870-1930". Journal of American History (Organization of American Historians) 78 (3): 887–916. doi:10.2307/2078795.

Interesting if you can get access to it.

If you can invent a "holiday" or celebration, (you hope that) people will buy stuff, and that's part of what keeps the economy ticking over.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:37 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Valentine's is GREAT for us single guys. No pressure to do anything special.

No pressure for guys in relationships too if you have the right girl! I got my fiance a $2 card, a $6 pitcher of beer and a $5 hamburger...and she loved every minute of the evening.
 
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:43 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 34):
No pressure for guys in relationships too if you have the right girl! I got my fiance a $2 card, a $6 pitcher of beer and a $5 hamburger...and she loved every minute of the evening.

Very true.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:46 pm

Quoting zalemam (Reply 29):
Thanks for the lesson, Expert on Islam and "fundamental" religions.

Ignorance...I hate when users spew false information.

Assuming you're talking about Islam..

"Assuming" is your key word, here. I don't think Doc was talking about Islam, he said was talking about religious fundamentalism in general. All religions have their smart, reasonable adherents and also have their unthinking fundamentalist adherents. Doc didn't say that's exclusive to Islam.

Quoting zalemam (Reply 29):
There are is no one man or group of people that are connected to god, and speak to Him

That's exactly the point Doc was making; that fundamentalists THINK they know more about the Divine will than anyone else does. They're so certain, for instance, that gays are all going to hell for being gay. Decent, peaceable, charitable, often churchgoing, volunteering, gay folks are hellbound, say the fundamentalists, while the fundamentalists themselves are certain that God will let them into Heaven (apparently as reward for spewing hatred at peaceful folks).
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:47 pm

C'mon guys. If Steak and BJ Day was an official companion holiday to Valentine's Day, you guys would be all over V-Day.   (March 14th, if you didn't know!)
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:56 pm

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 37):
C'mon guys. If Steak and BJ Day was an official companion holiday to Valentine's Day, you guys would be all over V-Day. (March 14th, if you didn't know!)

Well of course but we won't be satisfied until we see the equal amount of commercialism, advertisements, etc. to match Steak and BJ Day.
There is no way in hell I'm gonna wait until March 14th. for a steak & BJ.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:59 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
I just didn't want BMIflyer to feel down about being single.

Meh, plenty o'money saved. I still spent $13 that was completely unnecessary yesterday! I'll never get that back...
 
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:42 pm

Quoting TheCol (Reply 31):
Yes, it's harmful to my wallet.

Oh man, you've got a lot to learn  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 30):
Valentine's is GREAT for us single guys. No pressure to do anything special.

Yeah, I remember being single (as in not married), but I remember spending alot more money on V-day...and on more than one girl at a time, so that could be why)

Quoting sw733 (Reply 34):
No pressure for guys in relationships too if you have the right girl! I got my fiance a $2 card, a $6 pitcher of beer and a $5 hamburger...and she loved every minute of the evening.

Yes, thats what I'm talking about. As I said, got my wife an $8 teddy, got myself a 1L bottle of beer ($2) for later and thats it. So, $10.
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:47 pm

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 37):
C'mon guys. If Steak and BJ Day was an official companion holiday to Valentine's Day, you guys would be all over V-Day. (March 14th, if you didn't know!)

Hmmm, March 14th is my birthday. Will I get a steak and BJ? Only time will tell.

Mind you, if i do i hope it isn't in public!!!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting zalemam (Reply 29):

Assuming you're talking about Islam..

No, I am talking about religious fundamentalism. Islam certainly has its fundamentalists. So does Christianity. So does Hinduism (which I could almost find funny, given the basic tenets of Hinduism). So does Judaism.

In this case, this is Muslim Fundamentalism at work. But Muslims do not have a monopoly on fundamentalist idiocy. Idiots are a large and powerful tribe of people transcending any sort of classification of race, religion, gender, socioeconomic status, etc. And their effect on society is gigantic.  
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RE: So, How Harmful Is Valentines Day?

Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:05 am

Quoting skidmarks (Reply 41):
Mind you, if i do i hope it isn't in public!!!

You want your steak in private and BJ in public?   
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