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BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:51 pm

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Brigham Young University starting Forward Brandon Davies was kicked off the team for allegedly having sex with his girlfriend. BYU has an honor code at their University which forbids students from having pre-marital sex. There is no word as to whether or not Davies is just dismissed from the team, or if he's being kicked out of the University.
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Why would anyone want to go to this school?

This is so stupid to me that I don't even know what to say. As a college student, I see the temptations that are around me every day, how can you tell a grown man that he is forbidden to have sex? I'm gonna stay away from the religious aspects of this story for now but it plays a huge part in this story becuase BYU

Anyway, hopefully this kid will go to a better University where he is allowed to have sexual relations with his girlfriend, preferably UConn, we can use a big man like Davies on our team and we're VERY liberal here

Also, BYU has one of the best basketball teams in the country this year, this doesn't help their reputation at all for perspective prospects in the upcoming year. This guys was the second best player on their team and the day after they dismissed him, they got torched    by an unranked New Mexico 82-64. Morons!
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:58 pm

Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

Its like complaining you got forclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:27 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
this doesn't help their reputation at all for perspective prospects in the upcoming year.
Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
he knew the rules before he signed up

Their reputation won't be affected: all perspective athletes have been made aware of the honor code and how strict/serious it is, if they sign on, then it's on them to follow through.

Brandon Davies grew up in Provo, so he knows the code and what is expected of him, too bad he misstep at the most inopportune time...at least he owned up to it and didn't make excuses.



Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Morons!

Actually, pretty ballsy for BYU to stick to its guns and risk fame/money/exposure that a successful run in the tournament would have brought: a less scrupulous/ethical school (like UConn   ) would have suspended him for a game or two...
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:31 pm

Did you read the user comments on the ESPN article - this is a comical news piece to report in the sports world. Out of all the years of BYU athletics, this is the first time a kid broke the sacred honor code and they punished him this severely? I'm glad they got spanked last night and anticipate their exit in the 1st rd. of the tournament.   

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Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:39 pm

BYU has a right to hold athletes to whatever code they please. But that doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
BYU has a right to hold athletes to whatever code they please. But that doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.

        

Oh, and someone said he turned himself in - there is no evidence to support that claim.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Morons!


Rules ... Rules Rules ... they are pesky indeed.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Its like complaining you got forclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.


Oh man that would never happen in America ...  
Quoting homer71 (Reply 2):
(like UConn ) would have suspended him for a game or two...


Seriously doubt that U Conn would suspend a top tier starter for anything short of a capital crime ... (with video proof).
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:47 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

  

What else is there to say, really?

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Why would anyone want to go to this school?

If you happen to believe in the stuff they stand for, I don't see a problem. Obviously, if you don't, you probably wouldn't want to go there.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:05 pm

Brigham Young University is a private institution owned and operated by The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, otherwise known as The Mormon Church. The BYU honor code are part of the rules and regulations of The Mormon Church. Everyone at BYU including students, faculty, staff, etc must agree to and comply with the honor code. There are no exceptions. Violating the honor code is the same as violating the rules of The Mormon Church. If you do not like the provisions of the honor code, don't go to BYU.
 
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:08 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
This is so stupid to me that I don't even know what to say.

See, this is all about personal responsibility. He knew about the "Honor Code" when he accepted a scholarship and went to the school. Now he breaks the code and at least he owned up to it. It would be fair to say that when he learned about the code he probably learned what the consequences were if he broke the code. And now we all know what the consequences are. He took responsibility for his actions.

Those here that say this is a bunch of BS obviously know nothing about honor. In the military we also learn about Honor, Courage, and Commitment and pride ourselves in following those codes.

If you can't follow the codes or commitments set fourth be a organization you want to belong to or attend then you should not attend that organization.
 
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 9):
Those here that say this is a bunch of BS obviously know nothing about honor.

Refraining from getting laid in one's early 20s is not called honor. It's called wasting your early 20s away.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:23 pm

I can't agree with BYU's honor code, but I have to say, it really impresses me during the current era of collegiate sports where it's almost become common that universities all across the country are so willing to skirt past ethics and past the NCAA's rules so that they can athletically elevate themselves, that there is one school that not only sets a rigid ethical standard, but actually enforces when everything is on the line. It's refreshing, actually, and I can't help but respect BYU for it.

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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:27 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Refraining from getting laid in one's early 20s is not called honor. It's called wasting your early 20s away.


Well, no one forced you to attend BYU or submit to that particular code. It's not my "cup of tea" either so I would not attend BYU myself.

But, those who signed on to go there also know the consequences, so, there you have it.
 
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:51 pm

Quoting Airport (Reply 11):
I can't agree with BYU's honor code, but I have to say, it really impresses me during the current era of collegiate sports where it's almost become common that universities all across the country are so willing to skirt past ethics and past the NCAA's rules so that they can athletically elevate themselves, that there is one school that not only sets a rigid ethical standard, but actually enforces when everything is on the line. It's refreshing, actually, and I can't help but respect BYU for it.

That's cool an all...but they just got OWNED by an unranked New Mexico. Let's see how they uphold those ethical rules when they exit from the NCAA tournament early on.

Quoting homer71 (Reply 2):
Brandon Davies grew up in Provo, so he knows the code and what is expected of him, too bad he misstep at the most inopportune time...at least he owned up to it and didn't make excuses.

You mean to tell me that EVERYONE that attends BYU refrains from having sex.....Everyone?   Not buying it, there are rumors as well that his girlfriend got pregnant, which is how the school found out. There's no evidence as of yet to say he turned himself in.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:07 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
That's cool an all...but they just got OWNED by an unranked New Mexico. Let's see how they uphold those ethical rules when they exit from the NCAA tournament early on.

So what? They made the decision that personal responsibility is more important than athletics. Just because YOU don't agree with what they've done, doesn't make it wrong at all. They (the players) knew the rules going in. I'm impressed that the school has the character to follow its honor code when they had the chance to go places in athletics. To me, that speaks volumes about the institution.

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Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:22 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

Why would anyone want to go to this school?

It's a good school, academically.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
BYU has a right to hold athletes to whatever code they please. But that doesn't mean they aren't stupid. Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.

They do have that right. As far as "Getting over yourselves," yes, that would be nice. It would also be nice if every other religion that put completely unrealistic expectations for purity and behavior on young people could get over itself, too. But this is the LDS church, after all. At least they're enforcing it consistently, for which I respect them.

I am sure that Mr. Davies will be happily received by any number of other schools. And I hope that this will teach him a lesson about the positives and negatives of religion.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:23 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
That's cool an all...but they just got OWNED by an unranked New Mexico. Let's see how they uphold those ethical rules when they exit from the NCAA tournament early on.

So to you it's okay for athletes to break the rules, so long as they're good?

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
So what? They made the decision that personal responsibility is more important than athletics. Just because YOU don't agree with what they've done, doesn't make it wrong at all. They (the players) knew the rules going in. I'm impressed that the school has the character to follow its honor code when they had the chance to go places in athletics. To me, that speaks volumes about the institution.

Very well said.   

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Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:55 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):
To me, that speaks volumes about the institution.

I think the fact that the folks running the place believe that there's a magic sky daddy who cares deeply about where everyone sticks their willies and who has a passionate dislike of tea also speaks volumes about the institution.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:59 pm

Can't really blame the guy, I guess. I went to school with a lot of Mormons, there being a temple directly across the street from my high school. Dang, their kids were a kinky bunch, is all I'm gonna say. It's almost as if the iconic Mormon steeple is the tree holding the fruit of temptation and seduction.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:58 pm

Their basketball team is about to lose A LOT MORE games in the next 10 years.....
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:02 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

Its like complaining you got forclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.

Or signing up for the military for the free education and paycheck and then complaining when you get sent to war.

I would never look at going to BYU because I know how strict they are about some things, and it didn't fit my view of what college should be. I knew that growing up in Namibia...this guy grew up in Provo? He knew what he was getting in to.
 
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:44 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
This is so stupid to me that I don't even know what to say. As a college student, I see the temptations that are around me every day, how can you tell a grown man that he is forbidden to have sex?


Yep. Another wonderful view from a young liberal. Really? Stupid?

Look at it this way. How many NCAA atheletes take money from agents, boosters, etc? They all know it's wrong but, as you say, how can you tell a grown man not to take money that is offered up to them? If the student who took the money is discovered, they are out of the program.

Just because it's sex you say it's ok for them to do it simply based on the fact that they are "temptations."

Listen, I know this is hard for a liberal to understand this but BYU has a code of conduct that was signed by this student and he didn't follow it. He was given a free education and gave that all up for sex. Sorry, but it's a contract that HE didn't keep up his end. I would never sign that code of conduct (caffeine and alcohol alone), but that's me. HE DID.

What's "so stupid to me" is that you can't understand this.
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Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:52 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 13):
You mean to tell me that EVERYONE that attends BYU refrains from having sex.....

Everyone who isn't married...believe it or not some humans can exercise self control. BYU is also trying to determine whether he can remain in at the school.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:06 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 24):
believe it or not some humans can exercise self control

Yes well you seem to be missing the relatively minor point that for guys with decent communication skills in a university environment, "self control" usually entails not making a pass at every female they encounter.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:10 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 25):
"self control" usually entails not making a pass at every female they encounter.

Hell, that's how I met my fiance in college!  
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:42 am

This student is dumb for either A) getting caught in the act, or B) being discreet but decided to let the authorities know because of a guilty conscience.

I'm assuming most people don't admit to option B, so that leave option A.
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:47 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Why would anyone want to go to this school?

Because it is a prestigous (private?) Mormon university. So, they have an honor code and rules. He chose the school. He knew the code and broke that code. I suspect most colleges and universities have anit-drug and anti-drinking codes. No harm, no foul (no pun intended). It is part of the Mormon way of life. No story here. Move along.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:06 am

I believe that Mr. Davies is a practicing Mormon, so he not only violated the code, but 'sinned' as to his faith. In most of Christianity, sin can be forgiven, that one can make moral misgudgments, but in the LDS faith, that is not allowed. Now he and his BYU team loses because of his misgudgment and the moral absolutism of BYU.
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:15 am

His first mistake was attending BYU in the first place.

I would say becoming a Mormon, but he probably didn't have much of a choice in that matter.

 
 
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:47 am

Quoting Airport (Reply 17):
So to you it's okay for athletes to break the rules, so long as they're good?

I just think it's a dumb rule and they're not benefiting from him getting dismissed from the team for a minor infraction. it's not like he killed a guy.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 23):
Listen, I know this is hard for a liberal to understand this but BYU has a code of conduct that was signed by this student and he didn't follow it. He was given a free education and gave that all up for sex. Sorry, but it's a contract that HE didn't keep up his end. I would never sign that code of conduct (caffeine and alcohol alone), but that's me. HE DID.

Well OBVIOUSLY he thought their ethics rule was stupid as well, or else he wouldn't have had sex with his girlfriend. I'm willing to bet more than 50% of the students on that campus still have sex regularly. After all, the speed limit on the I95 is 55mph but I hit 75 every time i'm on the road. Rules aren't always followed, especially dumb ones like theirs.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 28):
No story here. Move along.

Actually, there is a huge story here. The guy was the second best player on a team projected to have gotten a number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament coming up in a few weeks, but "ethics" got in the way.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:04 am

An interesting opinion piece on this mini-scandal by a BYU grad:

http://deadspin.com/#!5775738/a-byu-...nd-the-universitys-double-standard

The short version - despite all of the "well, at least they're applying their honor code uniformly" talk, they're really not. Davies was punished far more harshly and more rapidly than a non-athlete would have been.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:32 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):

Why would anyone want to go to this school?

Believe it or not, it's actually a pretty decent school to get an education at.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

It sounds like he knew what was coming, and is okay with the decision.

(Oh, and no pun intended)

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will.

Note to the LDS church: people get lots of action. Always have, always will. It's not limited to basketball players (or sports players in general).

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
Dang, their kids were a kinky bunch, is all I'm gonna say

So were they, back in the day. I've met very few adult Mormons who even claim to be (or were before marriage) celibate, and even fewer who I believed.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 31):
I'm willing to bet more than 50% of the students on that campus still have sex regularly.

About a year ago, I had a friend tell me that her sister was getting engaged, so she had "the talk" with her because her sister was still a virgin.

Cue an awkward look.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:38 am

Quoting Airport (Reply 17):
So to you it's okay for athletes to break the rules, so long as they're good?

Yep. That's the way the world works.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:16 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 31):
After all, the speed limit on the I95 is 55mph but I hit 75 every time i'm on the road. Rules aren't always followed, especially dumb ones like theirs.



Yes.. you're right.. I don't follow the speed limit always myself.. but then again, when I got my drivers license I agreed to obey the laws. If I get caught speeding I get a fine... I can't say "this law is stupid" and expect to not get the ticket. If I think it's in my best interest to speed, that's my choice. If I get nailed, well, thats again, my choice....
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:32 am

I am surprised at the amount of support for this religious university's policy. I see no valour or honor in any of this.
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Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
I'm gonna stay away from the religious aspects of this story

Kind of hard to avoid that considering that is the reason this school has this foolish policy.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Anyway, hopefully this kid will go to a better University where he is allowed to have sexual relations with his girlfriend, preferably UConn, we can use a big man like Davies on our team and we're VERY liberal here

Would be nice but the girls in Connecticut aren't that cute.  
Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
the day after they dismissed him, they got torched by an unranked New Mexico 82-64. Morons!

  
Go New Mexico!   

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
Note to athletic director: basketball players get lots of action - always have, and always will. Get over yourselves.

  
Hopefully this get's more attention and fewer good athletes and students & general would apply there.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Refraining from getting laid in one's early 20s is not called honor. It's called wasting your early 20s away.

  
Isn't that the truth!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
It's a good school, academically.

It's not the only one. There are plenty of others.

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Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:57 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
Would be nice but the girls in Connecticut aren't that cute.

No, you did not just go there   
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:15 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 37):
No, you did not just go there

LOL!
It's just an observation I've noticed.
Perhaps Brandon Davies could go to a university with much hotter girls and no ridiculous restrictive religious policy.
UCLA, UNLV, UC Berkeley, UC San Diego, University of Miami, Arizona State University, University of Texas, University of Minnesota, Tulane, University of Hawaii all have lots of hot girls and he call freely have sexual relations with those women without punishment from the university. They're all good schools too and a good player would be recognized by the NBA.
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:33 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):

I am surprised at the amount of support for this religious university's policy. I see no valour or honor in any of this.

Why? Just because YOU don't agree with their policy, doesn't mean it's wrong to have such a policy. You know, part of the reason the country was founded, was because people were trying to get away from the government telling them what religion they could/could not practice. To suggest that a private, denominational university can't set and enforce its own policy for students, is beyond crazy.

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Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:57 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 29):
In most of Christianity, sin can be forgiven, that one can make moral misgudgments, but in the LDS faith, that is not allowed.

I'm very unfamiliar with the LDS faith. So forgiveness is not allowed?
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:38 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Why would anyone want to go to this school?

I certainly wouldn't, but then again why would anyone want to pay $50,000 a year for 4 years for this type of "education"?

online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...2808496.html?KEYWORDS=Northwestern

And liberals complain when conservatives call them out on their fake elitism...

Quoting johnboy (Reply 30):
I would say becoming a Mormon, but he probably didn't have much of a choice in that matter.

Religion is a choice and he is a grown man. Just because for some incomprehensible reason it is protected by law while taste in underwear, for instance, isn't doesn't make it less so.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 32):
Davies was punished far more harshly and more rapidly than a non-athlete would have been.

And in any other school he probably would have been given a free pass on pretty much anything short of capital murder because he was an athlete. It is time to let go of the notion that varsity sports at a high level are anything else than legalized slavery where young men at the peak of their abilities are deprived of the opportunity to make money for 4 years of a very short career while generating vast amounts of wealth for those around them, only to finish and be told, through a draft system, who their slave owners will be for the next 8 years until they are able to buy their freedom (via a free agency). It is great to see a college at least pretend one of their top athletes is actually a student and not just another indentured servant.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:56 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 42):
Religion is a choice

  

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 42):
in any other school he probably would have been given a free pass on pretty much anything short of capital murder because he was an athlete.

  
So true!
Athletes get so many free passes and preferential treatment at many universities.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 39):
Why? Just because YOU do...

Why bother asking questions when you're gonna put words in someone else's mouth. How about reading the following sentences?

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 41):
USA - Land of the free ...

Give it a rest. The Mormons and BYU is hardly a representative sample of the US. Norway has it's fair share of loonies as well.

[Edited 2011-03-03 22:56:41]
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:26 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 32):
Davies was punished far more harshly and more rapidly than a non-athlete would have been.

Maybe so, but it sends an awfully loud message to anyone who might apply who's content with breaking the rules that they aren't welcome... I don't see what's wrong with that, I'd far rather see over-enforcement than under-enforcement.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 33):
Note to the LDS church: people get lots of action. Always have, always will. It's not limited to basketball players (or sports players in general).

It's not a matter of getting action... it's doing it before you get married. Many folks who are LDS get married at a young age, and I gather they're trying to encourage marriage and monogamy.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 34):
Yep. That's the way the world works.

Yes!! What a great world that is, let's encourage student-athletes to lie, cheat, and steal their way to an "education." Forget morals and silly ethics, they just put you behind... Oh, and all those other students? Forget them, they can go f*** themselves if they break the rules... but if they're star-athletes? I'm sure they're sorry for what they did and they won't do it again... Hooray double standards!!

Oh and hey while we're at it, let's just let colleges freely pay their players! After all, that's the way the world works, doesn't it? Hm, let's see who might win the championship next year... oh I see Phil Knight just donated $50 million to go to student athlete salaries, looks like Oregon's going to win. Championship goes to the highest bidder! The championship will pretty much always be some combination of Texas, Ohio State, USC or Oregon; how fun!   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
I am surprised at the amount of support for this religious university's policy. I see no valour or honor in any of this.

I don't support BYU's moral code, but I do think it's impressive that they held it up.

What I'm getting at is that it really upsets me seeing colleges left and right letting student athletes who are in class skirt by the rules, getting 'help' in class (or even blatantly cheating), and breaking all sorts of ethical grounds that non-student-athletes who don't play sports would get severely punished for. It's refreshing seeing a College enforcing its standard across the board, even if it means suspending a star athlete at a critical time. I don't get why that's so stupid.

I'm not saying their moral code is something I agree with, I'm just saying it's refreshing seeing a standard fairly enforced on a student, even if they're the star athlete.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
It's because of religions and religious people 'sticking to their guns' why our troops are being killed in Afghanistan.

Last I checked abstinence wasn't strictly a religious policy.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 36):
Go New Mexico!

It's one thing to disagree with it... but to cheer for the athletes who worked so hard to get there, to lose just because a school upheld their rules in a fair way against one single player? That seems like an awfully hateful thing to say.

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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:45 am

Quoting Airport (Reply 44):
What I'm getting at is that it really upsets me seeing colleges left and right letting student athletes who are in class skirt by the rules, getting 'help' in class (or even blatantly cheating), and breaking all sorts of ethical grounds that non-student-athletes who don't play sports would get severely punished for.

I can agree with you on that. Its too bad that he was busted over this. If he were busted for cheating on a test then I'd fully support his punishment.

Quoting Airport (Reply 44):
Last I checked abstinence wasn't strictly a religious policy.

I guess you need to check up on that again. Their religion is against premarital sex and regulates the type of sexual acts couples can perform.

Quoting Airport (Reply 44):
It's one thing to disagree with it... but to cheer for the athletes who worked so hard to get there, to lose just because a school upheld their rules in a fair way against one single player? That seems like an awfully hateful thing to say.

What's so hateful about cheering for New Mexico? Their athletes worked so hard to get there as well and they kicked BYU's arse. I would have cheered for New Mexico regardless because I don't like BYU.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:15 am

Quoting Airport (Reply 44):

Last I checked abstinence wasn't strictly a religious policy.

Yeah, actually, it pretty much is. Rare exceptions, but I'd wager fewer than one in twenty abstinence advocates have a non-religious reason for it.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:53 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 29):
Actually, there is a huge story here. The guy was the second best player on a team projected to have gotten a number 1 seed in the NCAA tournament coming up in a few weeks, but "ethics" got in the way.

I love college sports as much as anyone, but should we really be putting sports ahead of academia? That's why I think there is no story here. Also, he broke the team's rules, so he is being punished. It happens.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:45 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 39):
USA - Land of the free ...

Don't know where you're going with that. This guy FREELY made a decision to go to a school with such a policy. If he didn't want to live by that code of conduct, he could have FREELY attended school somewhere else. No one forced him to attend BYU. If you don't agree with the practices of a PRIVATE organization and so long as those practices don't violate the law (which BYU's don't), then you can choose to either join and try to influence and change those practices or not join at all.

There's this funny concept that some people don't understand though - when someone else is footing the bill, you get less say in the process. When you're the one with the checkbook, you can dictate all or most of the terms. If the other party doesn't like the terms, they can go elsewhere. When you agree to a contract, you agree to follow ALL terms, not only the terms you think are okay. When I accepted an Air Force ROTC scholarship to pay for college, I had to accept terms and conditions with it, some which were in effect during college and some which are in effect now while I'm on active duty.


Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
I am surprised at the amount of support for this religious university's policy. I see no valour or honor in any of this.
It's because of religions and religious people 'sticking to their guns' why our troops are being killed in Afghanistan.

To use you're own phrase, "Give it a rest". Unless BYU students are trying to blow up commercial airliners or plant IEDs on the side of the highway, this is hardly a valid comparison.
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:21 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 1):
Well, he knew the rules before he signed up - not much sympathy for him.

Its like complaining you got foreclosed on because you didn't read the fine print.

I'm with this point.
You may think their code is moronic but it is THEIR code and he signed up to it when he attended the university.

Personally I wouldn't have done so but free choice for all, to do whatever they want so long as it doesn't interfere with others.

Comparing an honour code agreed by all students of an openly religious university to the Taliban and their enforcement of their religious views is the not the logic that was what the US was founded on. I believe tolerance of worship and belief was a major principle of those MayFlower passengers
 
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:58 am

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 37):
You know, part of the reason the country was founded, was because people were trying to get away from the government telling them what religion they could/could not practice.

Yet they are perfectly content with church poking its dogmatic, Big Brotheresque nose into their bedrooms and kitchens telling them what to do.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 46):
Unless BYU students are trying to blow up commercial airliners or plant IEDs on the side of the highway, this is hardly a valid comparison.

Bizzare and repressive attitudes towards human sexuality are strikingly similar.
 
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RE: BYU Basketball Player Dismissed For Having Sex

Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:07 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 48):
Yet they are perfectly content with church poking its dogmatic, Big Brotheresque nose into their bedrooms and kitchens telling them what to do.

If you don't like it, don't go to BYU. What a concept!  Wow! They should pay me big money to come up with such great ideas!   

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 48):
Bizzare and repressive attitudes towards human sexuality are strikingly similar.

I don't agree with their restrictive and prude code either, but when I read about a soldier coming back in a casket because he or she was killed by an IED planted by someone from BYU, I'll believe you. Until then, not so much...
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