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Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:11 am

I am surprised that the Liberals on here haven't pointed out that their savior has now backtracked on his word, and has issued an executive order to conduct military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay once again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...military-tribunals-guantanamo-bay/
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:54 am

It, like many other issues, will be swept under the rug....
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:32 am

You right wing conservatives should give him credit, he caved in to the right wing but you in the right hate the president so much that most of you will not give him credit.

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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:42 am

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 2):
You right wing conservatives should give him credit then, he caved in to you people but you hate the president to much that most of you will not give him credit.

No, he did not cave. He learned or accepted the reality of the situation and decided, much like Bush, that Gitmo is the best solution, even though it is a lousy solution.

I give him credit for not making a bad situation worse.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:51 pm

Quoting Airtran737 (Thread starter):
I am surprised that the Liberals on here haven't pointed out that their savior has now backtracked on his word

Considering it's not the first, second, or even third time it's become a non-news event. Given his strong advocation that he would make it a primary goal of his Presidency, and so many people bad mouthed Bush for not closing it, it certainly is quite interesting to see the deafening silence. Especially from our Utopian friends from down under who were all for closing the prison yet not willing to accept any of the prisoners.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:00 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 4):
Especially from our Utopian friends from down under who were all for closing the prison yet not willing to accept any of the prisoners.

Nah best to leave you in the dystopia that you created. Can see y'all are enjoying it.
 
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:18 pm

Let me see...Gitmo still open with military tribunals, Patriot Act still getting extended, Afghan war still Going on, Troops still in Iraq and high oil prices...Are we sure Bush ever left? And of course the left keeps quiet on all of these subjects
 
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:05 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 5):
Nah best to leave you in the dystopia that you created. Can see y'all are enjoying it.

Jeez, great rebuttal   . Those prisoners are exactly where they belong, it just took the President and his AG 2 years to figure that one out. As the President has said, nobody said hope and change would come very fast and he's proving that every single day of his administration.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:41 pm

I am glad people are giving the president credit but in right v.left persona of politics on both sides, credit is quiet and criticism is loud.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:45 pm

I just wished it could kinda be the starting of the left and right realizing that the other side isn't always completely wrong and evil but what am I talking about, it's American politics!   
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:32 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 10):
I am glad people are giving the president credit but in right v.left persona of politics on both sides, credit is quiet and criticism is loud.

What irks me is the same people who lambasted Bush are oddly quiet about this. Its hypocrisy no matter which way you cut it. I would have more respect if those same people blasted Obama about this decision, regardless if I view them as wrong, but yet, I don't see it. That is what really pisses me off.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:32 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
I give him credit for not making a bad situation worse.

  

As a conservative, I'm glad he has (tacitly) endorsed some of the programs he rallied strongly against during his presidential campaign. It's quite obvious that he dislikes it, but he has kept these programs going because he sees their need in the interest of national security. That's a good thing.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:16 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 10):
I am glad people are giving the president credit but in right v.left persona of politics on both sides, credit is quiet and criticism is loud

Yet the left is silent on the same subjects that they lambasted Bush with. Thus the hypocrisy.
 
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:27 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 15):
Yet the left is silent on the same subjects that they lambasted Bush with. Thus the hypocrisy.


That has been brought up, you're beating a dead horse.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:12 am

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 13):
What irks me is the same people who lambasted Bush are oddly quiet about this. Its hypocrisy no matter which way you cut it. I would have more respect if those same people blasted Obama about this decision, regardless if I view them as wrong, but yet, I don't see it. That is what really pisses me off.

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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:27 am

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
That has been brought up, you're beating a dead horse.

When the same was said about numerous "problems" brought up by the left concerning Gitmo during the Bush administration we were told that they couldn't be brought up enough. Why the change?
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:32 am

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 15):
Yet the left is silent on the same subjects that they lambasted Bush with. Thus the hypocrisy.


That has been brought up, you're beating a dead horse.

You should've seen the dead horses on this board a few years ago about Bush... SSDD (and different president too lol)
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:39 am

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
No, he did not cave. He learned or accepted the reality of the situation and decided, much like Bush, that Gitmo is the best solution, even though it is a lousy solution.

Ah when a Republican does this he flip-flopped but when a Democrat does it he has 'evolved'. This was a center piece of his campaign he promised he would close it within a year and now two years on it will be open 'indefinately'. So much for that Nobel Peace Prize.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:06 am

This decision has been made for one simple reason - politics - and human rights be dammed. The President knows that to keep the trials in the special tribunals long planned, with them actually taking place in 2013 or later, long after the 2012 Presidential, Congressional and some Senate elections will keep this issue from being used against him and all Democrats. Better for alleged war criminals to continued to be detained and denied a Constitutional legal trial indefinitely, a belief held by a strong plurality of voters, especially 'swing' voters, than to lose an election,
 
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 20):
Ah when a Republican does this he flip-flopped but when a Democrat does it he has 'evolved'. This was a center piece of his campaign he promised he would close it within a year and now two years on it will be open 'indefinately'. So much for that Nobel Peace Prize.

Believe what you want. But, when President Obama sat in the Oval Office behind that desk and reviewed the data, he came to one conclusion: that President Bush was right (blasphamies of blasphamies) on the matter of the detainees at Gitmo.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Let me see...Gitmo still open with military tribunals, Patriot Act still getting extended, Afghan war still Going on, Troops still in Iraq and high oil prices...Are we sure Bush ever left? And of course the left keeps quiet on all of these subjects

Not sure what kind of newspapers you read, but I wouldn't say "the left" had quietly accepted this. I think those issues contributed to the loss in votes from the left to center left leaning side of the political spectrum during the mid-terms.
It is true, however, that Obama receives less fire than Bush who introduced Gitmo and the Patriot Act in the first place, just like "the right" criticised Obama for bailing out companies like GM, even though Bush wanted to do the same.
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 7):
Those prisoners are exactly where they belong,

Actually even the Bush admin thought this was not the case for about 50% of them. By and large it should act as a lesson not to go fishing blind - you just never know how inconvenient your catch might turn out to be.

The current mess is a splendid condemnation of the practice of offering $10,000 dollars to a group of mercenaries for anyone they can catch.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 22):
behind that desk and reviewed the data, he came to one conclusion: that President Bush was right (blasphemies of blasphemies) on the matter of the detainees at Gitmo.

Much more like he came to the conclusion that it was an even bigger mess than even he had thought before he took that seat.

Even then he did not figure out what a bunch of NIMBYs some of his countrymen actually were - cannot even own up to their own mistakes.

Meanwhile the US continues on its brave attempt to resurrect the attitudes and even some of the practices of the Inquisition. Parts of the over-used penal system are already medieval.
 
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:45 am

I don't wish to enter into pointless left versus right squabble, but am I mistaken in believing that Congress voted that no monies be spent transferring prisoners to the US? Perhaps someone could clarify that point.

If that is the case, it would appear that Obama has no option but to keep Gitmo open. If detainees are kept there then, unless it became possible for US courts to sit in Gitmo (and here I have no knowledge of the Constitutional or legal propriety in doing so), then resuming trial by military tribunals may the only course open if people are not to be held indefinitely without charge.

Obama's order may not necessarily mean that he finally saw that Bush was right but merely be the only course available in a situation he inherited. If Congress says that he can't ship the detainees to the US and they can't be tried in a US court, what other option remains?
 
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RE: Obama Backtracks On Gitmo

Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Let me see...Gitmo still open with military tribunals, Patriot Act still getting extended, Afghan war still Going on, Troops still in Iraq and high oil prices...Are we sure Bush ever left? And of course the left keeps quiet on all of these subjects
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