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What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:50 pm

Well, like the topic title says....what is the average price a municipal transit authority pays for a city bus?

I'd really like to find a dozen or so specific examples of standard Diesel buses, and another dozen or so examples of alternative-energy buses.

Actual data is proving to be rather difficult to find, so any help would be very much appreciated.
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:54 pm

I don't know the average prices, however, ABQ RIDE got their New Flyer DE40LFR 40-foot diesel-electric hybrid buses for about $550,000, while they got the New Flyer DE60LFR 60-foot articulated diesel-electric hybrids for about $750,000.
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:24 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
I don't know the average prices, however, ABQ RIDE got their New Flyer DE40LFR 40-foot diesel-electric hybrid buses for about $550,000, while they got the New Flyer DE60LFR 60-foot articulated diesel-electric hybrids for about $750,000.

YOU'RE KIDDING??
 Wow!

That's £460,000 for ONE service bus? (the artic hybrid)

The last luxury Van Hool T9 coaches my boss bought brand new were £248,000 each.
 
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:50 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 1):
I don't know the average prices, however, ABQ RIDE got their New Flyer DE40LFR 40-foot diesel-electric hybrid buses for about $550,000, while they got the New Flyer DE60LFR 60-foot articulated diesel-electric hybrids for about $750,000.

That sounds about right. I'm aware of a transit agency that purchased approximately 25 Millennium RTS used from NJ Transit at an average unit cost in the ballpark of $300,000.

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 2):
That's £460,000 for ONE service bus? (the artic hybrid)

The last luxury Van Hool T9 coaches my boss bought brand new were £248,000 each.

Well, it's a hybrid. If you are going to basically double the powertrain complexity it is not going to be cheap. Were those luxury coaches hybrids?
 
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:09 am

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 3):
Well, it's a hybrid. If you are going to basically double the powertrain complexity it is not going to be cheap. Were those luxury coaches hybrids?

Well, of course, there are addtional features that transit authorites must include. For example, ABQ RIDE's buses are equipped with GFI Genfare Odyssey validating fareboxes and card readers/dispensers, TwinVision Chroma LED destination signs, Digital Recorders Talking Bus annunciators, security cameras, and an REI overhead DVD video LCD screens.
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:29 am

Prices depends on the following....

-Bus manufacturers list pricing
-Length of bus desired ( 30, 35, 40,45, and 60ft ).
-Type of fuel system desired ( clean-diesel, CNG, LNG, hybrid-electric technology )
-Powertrain option desired.
-Other options the customer or transit company desires....for example chrome rims, security cameras, destination signs, seats, interior lighting, drivers seat, and other ammenities.

a typical 40ft new clean-diesel bus will cost anywhere between 350-500K each
a typical 40ft alternative fuel powered ( CNG, LNG, hybrid ) bus will cost around 400-600K each
a typical 60ft articulated or bendy bus will cost average 650-775K each


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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:49 pm

That's right in the ballpark. All of the components have to be much more durable than those on highway coaches due to the transit environment-bad roads, abusive passengers, etc. that wear on the vehicle. Bear in mind that the resale value of an unrehabilitated 60' articulated coach is only about 15,000 USD.

By comparison, a tram costs about 1.2 million USD but retains at least half it's value over about sixty years. They also cost less to operate per hour-our transit museum operates one tram each weekend day for twelve hours. The total "fuel" costs (electricity) amount to about $48.00 a day. That's about $4.00 an hour. Add replacement of worn parts and you add maybe another $2.00 an hour. That means that we have to carry five passengers an hour to cover our basic operating costs.
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Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:27 pm

http://www.transitbc.com/corporate/resources/pdf/res-fleet-58.pdf

Those are some of the buses we use listed with their prices. Don't know how it works down south, but here BC Transit buys the buses then leases them to the various cities and their respective operating companies.
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:10 am

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 6):
The total "fuel" costs (electricity) amount to about $48.00 a day. That's about $4.00 an hour. Add replacement of worn parts and you add maybe another $2.00 an hour. That means that we have to carry five passengers an hour to cover our basic operating costs.

I've been accused of being argumentative by a very close and dear friend of mine so I hope I don't appear to disagree too much----- This estimate does not include the cost of maintaining the overhead.

We have trolleys in Vancouver. We used to be part of the electric company (Many oldtimers still call the local trolley service "Hydro" as in BC Hydro- and that was a hangover from when the trams that ran in Vancouver were a division of the BC Electric Company). However, the operating cost of a trollley bus is about 10% higher than a diesel bus because of the cost of maintaining the overhead- some 308km (191+ miles) of it. Trams also have railbeds to consider.

Personally, I think much of the prices are inflated because the purchasers are often public agencies with 'bottomless' pockets. The fit and finish is terrible. A million bucks for a 40' trolley bus and the vinyl driver's garbage bag doesn't fit on the bracket mount. EVERYTHING squeaks- like they skimped on lubricant. And the driver's seats in some of our buses are mounted at least 3 inches off centre.

A couple of weeks ago I rode as a passenger on a Greyhound bus that I personally picked up brand new from the factory in Winnipeg about 10 years ago. (MCI 45' DL3- delivery notice I signed was for about $285K if I recall and it was still 1/2 the price for our Renaissance models- super-top-of-the-line tour coaches). We used them for touring for the first year but they were built to be line-haul highway coaches for Greyhound.

No doubt is has at least a million miles more on the body than the 54 kilometres it had when I drove it off the MCI property and apart from a few superficial items it was holding up just fine. Transit buses could do with a bit of refinement... no question.... especially for the price tag that is attached.
 
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RE: What Is The Average Cost Of A City Bus?

Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:50 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 8):
Personally, I think much of the prices are inflated because the purchasers are often public agencies with 'bottomless' pockets. The fit and finish is terrible. A million bucks for a 40' trolley bus and the vinyl driver's garbage bag doesn't fit on the bracket mount. EVERYTHING squeaks- like they skimped on lubricant. And the driver's seats in some of our buses are mounted at least 3 inches off centre.
Quoting czbbflier (Reply 8):
Transit buses could do with a bit of refinement... no question.... especially for the price tag that is attached.

I couldn't agree more, we have an 89 MCI Classic that runs better and with less squeeks and rattles than our new 2 year old Nova's.

As nice as the Nova's are, I just can't see the $400 000 price tag being justified.
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