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Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:22 pm

Both of these cars are good looking RWD full size sport sedans. So, which would you like to own?

For me Charger SRT8!   
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:11 pm

Pontiac went out of business last year, so unless you want a used G-8 there is only one option.

By the way even if Pontiac was still around I would take the Charger SRT8.

I would much rather have a Canadian built American car than an Australian built American car.   
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:26 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
I would much rather have a Canadian built American car than an Australian built American car.

Either of them being better than an American built American car, of course!  

For me the Pontiac, but in reality I'd never buy a Commodore here in Australia, so wouldn't there either....
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:47 am

I would certainly prefer the G8 / Commodore, and I believe it to be a fine automobile on either side of the ocean. If I lived in Australia, I'd be proud to drive a Holden, and would certainly prefer one over any Japanese nameplate.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
For me Charger SRT8!

Why stop at the Charger?
I'd go for the Chrysler 300C SRT8 but I would have to change the seats to the non-SRT8 seats.
I don't like the idea of sporty seats in a luxury sedan.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:17 am

I'd take the Pontiac G8-GTP model, in black please. Ah, but Pontiac is no longer in business. The closest thing to it is the Chevy Caprice cop-cars that GM is selling in the USA (Los Angeles bought a bunch of them) in order to keep the Commodore plant in Australia in business. I miss Pontiac, having owned 5 of them over the years....
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:23 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
Pontiac went out of business last year, so unless you want a used G-8 there is only one option.
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
Ah, but Pontiac is no longer in business.

Pontiac just went out of business very recently. There are pleny of Pontiacs out there and will be for some time to come.
It's not like looking for a Pierce Arrow.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 3):
I'd be proud to drive a Holden, and would certainly prefer one over any Japanese nameplate.

I dunno, the Toyota Century is a really nice car.   
I'd take it over any German car in a heartbeat.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:22 am

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
So, which would you like to own?

I'd take a used M5 or E55/63 instead. Same money, more comfort, more performance and still about 100 lb lighter than a Charger (the G8 comes in at a little . The only disadvantage is service and parts may be more expensive and difficult to come by. I like the G8 a little better than the Charger, but I think there is better stuff out there for the money. Might be a real nice buy when they get a bit older though. The G8 is unquestionably better styled.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:30 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
The closest thing to it is the Chevy Caprice cop-cars that GM is selling in the USA (Los Angeles bought a bunch of them) in order to keep the Commodore plant in Australia in business. I miss Pontiac, having owned 5 of them over the years....

Rumours reported here that the next Commodore (VF) will be sold in the US as a Chevy as an "SS sedan" http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/c...ve-chevy-a-rev-20110331-1cnhg.html
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:15 pm

It's Mopar or no car...
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:17 pm

Quoting sccutler (Reply 3):
If I lived in Australia, I'd be proud to drive a Holden, and would certainly prefer one over any Japanese nameplate.

Pity they are so badly built, I'd rather buy Japanese or Korean.
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:14 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
The closest thing to it is the Chevy Caprice cop-cars that GM is selling in the USA (Los Angeles bought a bunch of them) in order to keep the Commodore plant in Australia in business.

Have these Caprice/Statesman cop-cars been actually delivered yet to LAPD? Forgive the Doubting-Thomas in me but until these vehicles are actually OUT and on the road; one can not count them IMHO.

Besides those will ONLY be sold to law enforcement agencies. One may have to wait a few years to get one that's been decommissioned from police work.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 8):
Rumours reported here that the next Commodore (VF) will be sold in the US as a Chevy as an "SS sedan"

We'll see whether that rumor becomes reality.

Quoting moose135 (Reply 9):
It's Mopar or no car...

Never heard that one before. It's kind of similar to "if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going."

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Why stop at the Charger?
I'd go for the Chrysler 300C SRT8

  

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Pontiac just went out of business very recently. There are pleny of Pontiacs out there and will be for some time to come.

Very true, but used G8s may be harder to find compared to other Pontiac models given their lower numbers due to their production lifespan being cut short.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:07 pm

Being very familiar with both, the G8 is the better car - particularly in GXP form. But the Charger is the more emotionally appealing car in many ways.

Just over 1,800 G8 GXPs were made and they are sure fire collector cars - not to mention gobs of fun.

Although the G8 is a great car to drive, the Charger has a more visceral appeal *and* alot of exterior character that you can't get in the G8. No lime green or hemi orange paint jobs available on the Poncho. IMO, the Charger "feels" more like a muscle car, where the G8 "feels" more like a BMW with a low-rent interior.

An added bonus was the revised styling for 2011 on the Charger, which, and this is a matter of opinion, improved the car for me.

I always felt, btw, that the car should be called Coronet or Fury (despite Fury being a Plymouth name).
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 12):
IMO, the Charger "feels" more like a muscle car,

So heavier and worthless on roads that aren't straight then?
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:03 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
Pity they are so badly built, I'd rather buy Japanese or Korean.

Not any more. The new Commodores are pretty well built. Can't really compare them to a Hyundai or a KIA with cheap plastic interiors..the Hyundais and KIAs I've driven felt more like sitting in a recycled plastic container than an actual car (but have to admit, the new i-series of Hyundais are pretty good).

Speaking of the SRT8 there's talk that the Wrangler will get the SRT8 treatment..but I'd rather have the new Grand Cherokee SRT8.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/113516/jeep-wrangler-srt8-rumour/
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:26 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 14):
Not any more. The new Commodores are pretty well built.

Have to agree with that. First hand experience. They have some nice engines too - especially that DI 3.6L V6. They are quiet and well put together.

But it's always easier for people to wheel out the old stereotypes.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
Besides those will ONLY be sold to law enforcement agencies.

Give it time, that will change according to what I'm hearing. Looks like you'll get the VF series Commodore (and derivatives) with a Chevrolet badge on them.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
Pity they are so badly built, I'd rather buy Japanese or Korean.

That's not true at all - especially in light of Toyota's well documented problems of recent times. Honda too had a big recall recently if I remember right.
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:59 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
Besides those will ONLY be sold to law enforcement agencies. One may have to wait a few years to get one that's been decommissioned from police work.

I betcha a good conversation with a Fleet Sales representative can fix that oversight.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:35 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 16):
I betcha a good conversation with a Fleet Sales representative can fix that oversight.

I don't know if you'd want the Police version - it's pretty spartan inside compared to the regular models.

If they could work out a normal Caprice or the following Caprice V however at the right price:
Holden Caprice V


Chevrolet Caprice


One thing the new cars get that the G8's never got is the touch-screen Sat-nav and audio system interface, along with a lot of other detail improvements that just make the newer ones (across the Commodore/Caprice/Caprice V range) that much nicer.

Considering the G8 is superseded - and it looks very likely the VF model will be exported to the USA, it might just be worth waiting it out for the new one.

These are some of the differences in the interior alone on the regular cars:



First one is the touch-screen sat-nav of the Calais V, the one pictured is a V8 'Redline' edition with the bigger brakes and 19" wheels. The very brightly coloured one is the Commodore SS-V Redline edition, also with the bigger brakes and wheels, but otherwise a different themed interior. This is closer to what the G8 GXP might be, if it were offered now.

In addition, it also now has HDD storage for music, so the days of the CD changer are getting closer to being numbered. That all assumes of course that the VF model doesn't get an entirely new interior as well - which it might well do.

However, it isn't a chunky style American muscle car (it corners too much like a BMW for that) - so if you want that sort of experience, probably look at a Charger or the 300C.

[Edited 2011-04-05 21:52:20]
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:33 am

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 8):
Rumours reported here that the next Commodore (VF) will be sold in the US as a Chevy as an "SS sedan"

That is the best auto news I've heard in a long time - especially the El Camino ute version making it to the US market!
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:02 pm

Quoting cpd (Reply 15):
Give it time, that will change according to what I'm hearing. Looks like you'll get the VF series Commodore (and derivatives) with a Chevrolet badge on them.

Apples and oranges. The upcoming police-only Caprice that StasisLAX and I'm referring to is based off of the larger Holden Statesman sedan.

As far as the VF Commodore, which is closer in size to the G8, coming over (as a Chevy) and becoming available to the retail market, as I stated earlier, we'll see if that rumor does indeed become reality. With gas prices rising again and CAFE standards now on the uptick (the fleet CAFE number for 2011 is 31 mpg); sales of this new model in the U.S. market could be blunted a bit.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 16):
I betcha a good conversation with a Fleet Sales representative can fix that oversight.

Slightly off-topic, but I'm sure that will more likely take place with some Ford dealers with regards to the 2011 Crown Vic. now that the Grand Marquis has ceased production.

As far as that happening with the cop Statesman/Caprice is concerned. One would probably have to wait until the end of the model year to 'bag' any left-overs or returns.
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:14 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
The upcoming police-only Caprice that StasisLAX and I'm referring to is based off of the larger Holden Statesman sedan.

I think you might get that too - but if the rumours are correct, it may be wearing a different badge.

Holden Statesman has finished production, and is no longer available - instead, there is only Caprice and Caprice V. (a wise move).

The Statesman was the favourite of the "prestige" taxi operators when then beloved Ford Fairlanes went out of production (they loved them for the absolute reliability). And now the Statesman is not made either, leaving them with only the expensive Caprice, or, what many of them are doing now is downsizing to the Ford Falcon derived Ford G6E (a smaller sedan with squeezy rear leg-room.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
sales of this new model in the U.S. market could be blunted a bit.

I don't think you'll have any problem with the CAFE stuff.

What I'm hearing is that the new car is going to be much lighter, and they will be pushing the 6 cylinder models down to fuel economy competitive with many smaller 4 cylinder cars. The plan of attack is aerodynamics and lightness. I've heard they plan to use a lot of aluminium (or aluminum in US speak) - along with paying a lot of attention to cleaning up the aerodynamics (which could be made much better than they are through fairly simple fixes).

Most of that is being prodded by economy cautious consumers here back in Australia. (the same ones, ironically, who have no dramas running about in huge guzzling Range Rovers, Landcruisers, X5s and Cayennes). Getting the weight down will also make the handling engineers happy (and remember, VE already shines in that area) - and it will improve performance too. Good thing is that it is all go, GM management signed off on it - so I guess shortly we might start seeing test-mules running around, so Australians here, keep your eyes open and have your cameras ready to photograph them.

For the time being, the next rumour is suggesting that Holden will get the 6.2L LS9 V8 engine powering some sort of very high performance limited edition super-sedan flagship. If that happens, then VF will surely have performance models that will be pretty fast too - they haven't often released a new car with worse performance than a previous one.  
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:01 pm

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So heavier and worthless on roads that aren't straight then?

Well, it's not a Miata. But no, it doesn't feel ponderous and disconnected like old-school muscle cars. But it's larger and you feel it - at least, you feel that you're in a much larger car and the sound is very different, which is part of the appeal of a muscle car. The Charger is a harder car to drive fast and the chassis took less well to the SRT treatment than the G8's did to the GXP treatment. But that's not to say it's a bad car, it just feels different. Looser, less precise. But that's in comparison to the G8, which is a very taut feeling car for what it is.
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:18 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 14):
the Hyundais and KIAs I've driven felt more like sitting in a recycled plastic container than an actual car (but have to admit, the new i-series of Hyundais are pretty good).

Better have a look at a Hyundai Genesis, far above anything Holden can do.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
As far as the VF Commodore, which is closer in size to the G8, coming over (as a Chevy) and becoming available to the retail market

The VF is just a facelifted Ve, not a new model, so basically the same as the G8.

The best looking VE Commodore was the SS V Special Edition Sportswagon with the G8 front end. Holden should have changed this to the standard front, rather than the bland original.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/2009%E2%80%932010_Holden_VE_Commodore_%28MY10%29_SS_V_Special_Edition_Sportwagon_03.jpg/800px-2009%E2%80%932010_Holden_VE_Commodore_%28MY10%29_SS_V_Special_Edition_Sportwagon_03.jpg
 
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RE: Dodge Charger SRT8 VS Pontiac G-8 GT

Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:01 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
The best looking VE Commodore was the SS V Special Edition Sportswagon with the G8 front end. Holden should have changed this to the standard front, rather than the bland original.

That would have made one fine Pontiac G8 "Safari" wagon. The only thing it needs is the Pontiac "arrowhead" badge on the grille. Ah, what might have been.....   
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