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Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:23 pm

MWAA yesterday approved a compromise underground station option for the Silver Line when it reaches IAD. Here is a link to the graphic of the chosen option and the above ground option.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...s/2011/04/06/AFrFccrC_graphic.html

This option is $300+ million more than the above ground, and Federal funding has not yet been secured for phase two. Stay tuned for the ongoing saga!
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:26 pm

That's the correct decision.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:40 pm

Good decision with the location.

I'm also glad to see that Dublin is not the only capital city in the world where it seems to take a whole generation or two to get a railway system to its airport...  
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:42 pm

It would be even better if it had a dedicated connection to the NASM site.
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:11 pm

Not only Dublin how about Tokyo Narita! Still using bus connections!
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:28 pm

I am a transport economics student in Dublin and if you actually took the time to follow up on the Dublin Metro you would know it is a waste of resources and money that the government frankly doesnt have (ground hasn't been broken and they have already spent nearly $200 million on the project). The metro going from St. Stephen's Green to the airport is not really a beneficial strategy (car parking will be impossible and people north of the city wont backtrack to use the train). Additionally, the AirCoach is a cheap, comfortable, and efficient way to get to the airport and there is no need for a dedicated train. There has been no proper cost-benefit analysis of the project completed nor have an alternatives been suggested (such as AirCoach). The only reason the government is planning to push ahead with building the metro is to be able to brag about how they now have a rail connection to the airport. It will be interesting to see with the IMF now running the country if the project will be scrapped (it really should be since there is no economic sense in the project).

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Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:21 am

What a contrast to DCA which is so darn convenient from the Metro.

I don't particularly mind an above-ground station at IAD as long as they have travelators (the moving sidewalk thing) to the main terminal. As they say at NRT "the end of the walk is a-head, please watch your step"

Quoting 757ops (Reply 4):
Not only Dublin how about Tokyo Narita! Still using bus connections!

I think NRT is well connected by rail. Narita Express goes to Marunouchi, Shibuya and even Yokohama and Keisei goes to Ueno. There is also a local Yokosuka(?) line which I took many years ago. Granted the bus is slightly cheaper.
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:30 am

Quoting capitalflyer (Thread starter):
This option is $300+ million more than the above ground, and Federal funding has not yet been secured for phase two. Stay tuned for the ongoing saga!

Stay tuned is right. The way this country's financial situation is I wouldn't count on getting the money anytime soon.

I have a feeling that by the time this project is completed the airplane will be obsolete. Beam me up!!
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:35 am

This is the right decision. For once, sanity prevailed. A rail stop exposed to the elements, requiring down-and-up elevator rides, and 1/4 mile from the entrance to the terminal was not going to work well.

I have a feeling funding will be a bit less of a problem than many of you are anticipating. 2016 may be unrealistic; 2018 seems reasonable to me.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:11 am

Quoting capitalflyer (Thread starter):
This option is $300+ million more than the above ground, and Federal funding has not yet been secured for phase two.

While this is the correct decision from a logistics standpoint I recently traveled with my wife and children down to DC for a long weekend (flew into DCA) and was shocked at the state of disrepair of WMATA and Metro. The stations are dark, the trains dirty (even the newer ones) and in the 9 different Metro stations we visited 7 of them didn't have working escalators. I'll be interested to see how the funding shakes out for this given the lack of funding for regular O/M that WMATA clearly has now.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
2016 may be unrealistic; 2018 seems reasonable to me.

I'm even having doubts about 2018. I've seen barely any progress whatsoever on the new line. The construction zones always look the same. And I drive by them often. All they've managed to do is hamper traffic   
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:24 am

Quoting 757ops (Reply 4):
Not only Dublin how about Tokyo Narita! Still using bus connections!

Huh???

Narita Airport is connected with central Tokyo by multiple rail and bus lines

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2027.html
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:07 am

If you build it, build it such that people will bother to use it. Otherwise, don't bother. As for the cost - surely they can come up with something. raise taxi fares away from IAD by a dollar or something.

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
and in the 9 different Metro stations we visited 7 of them didn't have working escalators.

that's a fact of life with metro. some stats were recently published on how long escalators last before they break down again. It was a comically short period of time.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:24 am

Quoting jad0761 (Reply 5):
I am a transport economics student in Dublin and if you actually took the time to follow up on the Dublin Metro you would know it is a waste of resources and money that the government frankly doesnt have (ground hasn't been broken and they have already spent nearly $200 million on the project). The metro going from St. Stephen's Green to the airport is not really a beneficial strategy (car parking will be impossible and people north of the city wont backtrack to use the train). Additionally, the AirCoach is a cheap, comfortable, and efficient way to get to the airport and there is no need for a dedicated train. There has been no proper cost-benefit analysis of the project completed nor have an alternatives been suggested (such as AirCoach). The only reason the government is planning to push ahead with building the metro is to be able to brag about how they now have a rail connection to the airport. It will be interesting to see with the IMF now running the country if the project will be scrapped (it really should be since there is no economic sense in the project).


I think it is YOU who really need to look at the Dublin Metro project, because quite frankly, you seem to know nothing about it apart from what you have read in Kevin Myers Articles in the Irish Independent. I suggest you go here www.rpa.ie to get some actual facts.

Metro is not an "airport rail link". Neither is it a "dedicated train". It is an 14 station metro line from Swords to Dublin city centre that happens to serve the airport en-route. It is in an area not served by rail presently (an entire side of Dublin with no Urban rail)

How will car parking be impossible?? Car parking where?? It isnt meant for people coming from Belfast or places on the M1 corridor, they will obviously continue to drive. However, anyone coming from Cork, Limerick, Galway or anyone West or South of Dublin by rail, in addition to anyone actually in the City, will be able to use it through its interchange with Luas or DART Underground from Heuston Rail Station.

The line will intergrate with every other rail, metro and Luas line in Dublin, people wont need to use their cars if they avail of it! It is part of a PROPER RAIL BASED TRANSPORT SYSTEM that this city has been crying out for.

Yes, there has been a proper cost benefit analysis. I suggest you go to the above website to read it. This is another lie some journalists peddle in their anti rail spiel.

Finally, the project is a Public Private Partnership. The private sector build it, the government pay the cost back over 35 years. There is even talk of privatising it completely and offering it to to private sector to operate for 100 years. The government dont actually need to spend anything upfront, and wont need to spend anything at all if it is completely privatised.

By the way, you are aware there has been a change of government in this country, arent you?

The Fianna Fail government planned the line, the new Government will decide if it goes ahead. Fine Gael are not in the habit of blindly supporting anything, or doing things for bragging rights.

The IMF are not "running" this country either. The EU have put the bigger part of the loan in, and the European Investment Bank has already commited a 500 million EUR to the project, giving it its full backing.

Finally - the latest opinion poll (Your City, Your voice - if you do really live here, you might have heard of it) shows that 85% of Dubliners want this line Built and want it done now.

Go back, do your homework. Stop listening to Kevin Myers and Frank McDonald and their uninformed trolling articles in the Irish Independent and Irish Times. When you actually know what Metro North is, then we'll talk.

Actually, to save you the trouble, seeing as you only seem to listen to what you read in the papers without applying any independent thought, here's a little excert from the RPA site:

"Project Overview Metro North
Key Information About Metro North
16.5 km
14 Stops
City Centre to Airport in 20 minutes
City Centre to Swords in 25 minutes
2 Park and Ride Facilities
Interchange with Luas and DART
Runs to Mater, DCU, Ballymun, Airport and Swords
Runs every 2 minutes in peak
Capacity for 20,000 people in each direction per hour
34 million passengers per year
Net benefit to Irish economy over €1 billion

Metro North will connect Swords to Dublin City Centre. The selected route serves a number of key destinations including the airport, hospitals, universities, retail centres as well as residential and employment districts. Planning permission was granted on 27th October 2010. Contracts are ready to sign. Once Government approval to start is obtained works will commence within 3 months.

Metro North will be 16.5 km long and is expected to carry some 34 million passengers a year once opened. Metro North will offer a reliable frequent service bringing passengers from the City Centre to Dublin Airport in less than 20 minutes and Swords in less than 30 minutes and will avail of a range of interchange opportunities with Luas, Irish Rail services, bus services and park and ride facilities.

Metro North is a key element in the creation of a fully integrated rail based public transport network as envisaged in Transport 21. The project is a Public Private Partnership Initiative."

[Edited 2011-04-07 20:30:34]

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Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:30 am

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):
I'm even having doubts about 2018. I've seen barely any progress whatsoever on the new line. The construction zones always look the same. And I drive by them often. All they've managed to do is hamper traffic

The solution is to drive by less often. 

I am only out there maybe once every 2-4 weeks, and when I go, I'm always surprised by the changes. The bulk of the guideways from East Falls Church to Tyson's seem to be built.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:18 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
The stations are dark, the trains dirty (even the newer ones) and in the 9 different Metro stations we visited 7 of them didn't have working escalators. I'll be interested to see how the funding shakes out for this given the lack of funding for regular O/M that WMATA clearly has now.

Metro is in a crisis financially. Especially considering the safety upgrades that need to be made that require money that is shrinking. It seems every other month Congress threatens to cut funding for Metro. Really dumb. You think traffic is bad now, just imagine all the federal workers driving. Add in a terrorist attack, nothing but chaos. Exhibit one, January snow storm that resulted in many 12 hour commutes!

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 10):
The construction zones always look the same. And I drive by them often. All they've managed to do is hamper traffic

I think they have made great progress. The structure of the Wiehle Ave station is up, aerial concrete work on the east side of Tysons is nearly complete, fencing is up along parts, etc. Much of the initial work (which has been mostly completed) was underground with the need to create an entire new storm sewer system with retention ponds, laying electric for the third rail, not to mention the tunnel in Tysons.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:47 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
While this is the correct decision from a logistics standpoint I recently traveled with my wife and children down to DC for a long weekend (flew into DCA) and was shocked at the state of disrepair of WMATA and Metro. The stations are dark, the trains dirty (even the newer ones)

I found the system quite good. It was certainly easy to use, but yes, many stations are of a 1970's vintage (at least thats the way it looks!), but were generally clean and quite spacious.

Its a hell of a lot more appealing that New York or Boston's subway / metro systems, thats for sure!
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:03 am

Congratulations! It is so rare to see sanity prevail these days...
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:29 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
This is the right decision. For once, sanity prevailed. A rail stop exposed to the elements, requiring down-and-up elevator rides, and 1/4 mile from the entrance to the terminal was not going to work well.

Yeah, total agreement. Can't imagine how anyone wouldn't want something that's sheltered and closer.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
2016 may be unrealistic; 2018 seems reasonable to me.

Puh. Likely maybe. Reasonable, I don't think so. They've been "almost done getting started" with the silver line for ever now. I remember when it was just "around the corner"... ...in 2005 when I moved to DFW.

Quoting catiii (Reply 9):
The stations are dark, the trains dirty (even the newer ones) and in the 9 different Metro stations we visited 7 of them didn't have working escalators. I'll be interested to see how the funding shakes out for this given the lack of funding for regular O/M that WMATA clearly has now.

Do you take the Metros of other cities ever? DC WMATA may indeed have a few towns on this planet with better, nicer stations. But compared to almost everywhere else, DC Metro is pretty much top of the line. Look at their route map and compare it to most other East Coast towns that aren't NYC. Yeah, it has it's problems, and its got its share of overpaid thugs working the system, but for the most part, I'd say it compares pretty favorably. It's one of the few things I miss about the DCA...

Plus unlike most other cities, DC's metro is fast. You won't do 60mph on the NYC Metro...

Quoting capitalflyer (Reply 15):
The structure of the Wiehle Ave station is up, aerial concrete work on the east side of Tysons is nearly complete, fencing is up along parts, etc

Good. About 30years overdue, but good just the same. I never understood how the rail managed to stay out of Tysons for so long...

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):
It was certainly easy to use, but yes, many stations are of a 1970's vintage (at least thats the way it looks!),

If you're referring to the architecture, yes it kind of is. But even that depends on which station you're at. Metro Center, with it's Brutalist Arching looks (to me anyway) nothing like the London Underground feel that Wheaton or Bethesda have. Just my opinion though...
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:21 am

They should have started at both ends but as usual it was probably about money. Does anyone know if they will start using the Silver Line before they get all they way to Dulles?
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:51 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 19):


They should have started at both ends but as usual it was probably about money. Does anyone know if they will start using the Silver Line before they get all they way to Dulles?

If it's like any other Metrorail project ever, then yes they will. One could even say that they already do, as part of the Silver line will be the blue/orange lines
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:30 am

The progress that has been made can be seen here:

http://www.dullesmetro.com/pdfs/11MAR_DullesMetroNewsletter.pdf
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Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:47 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
It would be even better if it had a dedicated connection to the NASM site.

Nice, but totally unjustified.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 18):
Do you take the Metros of other cities ever? DC WMATA may indeed have a few towns on this planet with better, nicer stations. But compared to almost everywhere else, DC Metro is pretty much top of the line. Look at their route map and compare it to most other East Coast towns that aren't NYC. Yeah, it has it's problems, and its got its share of overpaid thugs working the system, but for the most part, I'd say it compares pretty favorably. It's one of the few things I miss about the DCA...

Indeed. DC area traffic is some of the most awful I've ever encountered. I can't imagine how bad it'd be if there was no Metro.
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:16 pm

THRILLED with this news! It would have been the height of short-term idiocy to not build a station close to the terminal. This is a long-term infrastructure project that will serve the region for decades. I'm glad they made the right decision. In fact, it is downright nice to see a decision being made that is the right move even though it's extremely unpopular with various elements (due to cost).

Op-ed in today's Post by a MWAA Board Member:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...les/2011/04/12/AFQ7jykD_story.html

Especially agree with this part:
We are preparing for a future in which Dulles will be an increasingly important economic engine for our region. We expect the number of non-connecting passengers arriving at Dulles to grow from 18 million annually to 42 million. We project that at least 10 percent of those passengers will use Metro to travel to and from the airport, in addition to the thousands of employees who work at Dulles. That will take a lot of cars off Northern Virginia’s clogged roads. When the station is ready in 2017, it will open with at least 5,000 Metro riders per day, or more than 1.8 million a year.

We have already witnessed the consequences of putting a Metro station in the wrong place. The station at Reagan National Airport was originally built at a distance of more than 1,000 feet from the old main terminal, and relatively few passengers made the long hike, especially in poor weather. When we built the new Reagan National terminal, we located it next to the rail station to remedy the problem. Today, about 17 percent of Reagan National’s passengers use Metro, the highest modal share for rail usage of any airport in the countr


Quoting wn700driver (Reply 18):
They've been "almost done getting started" with the silver line for ever now. I remember when it was just "around the corne

They started construction on it about two years ago. The first phase will open in two more years.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 19):
Does anyone know if they will start using the Silver Line before they get all they way to Dulles?

Yes. It will open in two phases. The Dulles Airport stop is part of the second phase.
 
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Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:25 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 2):

I'm also glad to see that Dublin is not the only capital city in the world where it seems to take a whole generation or two to get a railway system to its airport...

Generation or two? Its been nearly 50 years.
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Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:04 am

The interesting twist here is that various interests in Tysons Corner wanted the Metro to pass under rather than over the Tsons area -- MWAA opposed it saying the cost was too high. Imagine the irony when they decide to build their station below ground (regardless of how reasonable). This isn't sitting well with some Fairfax County politicians (and tax payers) who'll have to shoulder some of the extra cost, even though the airport authority wasn't interested in shouldering the extra costs of a subterranean Tysons route. Stay tuned ...
 
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Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:39 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 2):
I'm also glad to see that Dublin is not the only capital city in the world where it seems to take a whole generation or two to get a railway system to its airport...  

Make that three generations and you can throw Lisbon into the pot.
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Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:58 pm

FINALLY!

This shows that there will be at least one thing done right with the Silver Line.

Between putting the Tyson's stations above ground, putting the Silver Line in the median of a freeway instead of in the communities it could serve by foot, putting giant parking structures next to the stations to ensure there's still hella traffic around them, and the STOOPID names they are suggesting for the stations (http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/9862/fairfax-silver-line-names-are-boring-and-repetitive/), I'm glad they are doing at least one thing correct.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:39 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
Indeed. DC area traffic is some of the most awful I've ever encountered. I can't imagine how bad it'd be if there was no Metro.

When I lived there they said DC traffic was the second worst in the US only LA was worse.
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Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:50 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
When I lived there they said DC traffic was the second worst in the US only LA was worse.

It is now tied for the worst traffic in the country.

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 18):
Do you take the Metros of other cities ever? DC WMATA may indeed have a few towns on this planet with better, nicer stations. But compared to almost everywhere else, DC Metro is pretty much top of the line.

We have it good in DC, by American standards, and it is going to get better with the new streetcars serving the Downtown, Southeast, Southwest and the Purple Line. In ten years, if most of these projects get started, DC (the District proper and its immediate surrounding including Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda, etc...) will have the best public transportation system in the country, it will certainly be competitive with many foreign cities.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:45 pm

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 29):
In ten years, if most of these projects get started, DC (the District proper and its immediate surrounding including Arlington, Alexandria, Bethesda, etc...) will have the best public transportation system in the country, it will certainly be competitive with many foreign cities.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Hell, I doubt they'll have all the escalators fixed in ten years.
 
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Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:09 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 30):
Hell, I doubt they'll have all the escalators fixed in ten years.

Escalators? Yeah, huge nuissance. New rails however, DC (and Maryland) are now well on their way to laying new streetcar lines. H Street now has rails laid, Anacostia also has rails laid. The Purple Line is close to getting started.

The escalators? They'll never get fixed. And as selfish as this sounds, I don't mind it, I am usually that idiot that sprints up the elevator at Woodley Park/Tenleytown/Dupont/Bethesda/Friendship Heights.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:41 am

30-50 years from now, IAD will be surrounded by dense development and the extra money spent will seem like chump change. Commuting from Alexandria to Chantilly and back everyday, it has been amazing the amount of progress that's taken place over the past year. Don't forget that as the Silver Line is contructed across 495 and along 66, the entire roadway/interchange is being redeveloped to accommodate the 495 HOT lanes.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
and the STOOPID names they are suggesting for the stations

I hope they think long term about the names becuase it cost about $100K to change the signage systemwide. I remember back in the late 90's they were adding names to stations faster than you can shake a stick. I still think one of the great tradgedies of the Metro is no Georgetown stop.
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Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 32):
Don't forget that as the Silver Line is contructed across 495 and along 66, the entire roadway/interchange is being redeveloped to accommodate the 495 HOT lanes.

Even dumber that they put the subway line in th

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 33):
no Georgetown stop.

The reason there isn't a Georgetown stop is because they decided not to build the I-266 freeway, which was supposed to carry the Metro across the Potomac to Georgetown and link up with the Whitehurst Freeway.

Do you know why? It's not because of traffic. It's because there are three rocks in the Potomac (called the Three Sisters) that environmentalists wanted to protect.


Yup.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:52 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 33):
I still think one of the great tradgedies of the Metro is no Georgetown stop.

Georgetown, as D L X stated, was supposed to get a stop in the original plan.

Georgetown could also have been accessed via a tunnel similar to that that carries the Orange/Blue line from Foggy Bottom to Rosslyn. The problem on the Georgetown side was the depth of the line when it emerged from the river. The station would have been too deep (and expensive) to build- even by DC standards.

There have been recent unofficial proposals to redirect the Blue Line under Rosslyn and up through Georgetown, Dupont Circle and on to Stadium/Armory.

The new DC Streetcar, however, will serve the Georgetown area via K-Street. That is a few years down the line.

Quoting D L X (Reply 34):
The reason there isn't a Georgetown stop is because they decided not to build the I-266 freeway, which was supposed to carry the Metro across the Potomac to Georgetown and link up with the Whitehurst Freeway.

Without its own cross river routing, the Whitehurst Freeway is a sweet shortcut, but not a useful thoroughfare to the city.. I say tear it down, it'll make the Georgetown waterfront even more desirable.
 
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 34):
Do you know why?

I had heard that the residents of G'town did'nt want to give easy access to the 'urban' neighborhoods of DC.. It is such a pain to get off at Foggy Bottom and walk all the way thru G'town.
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:36 am

After living in Northern Virginia for a couple of years, expanding Metro is quite the fruitless effort. Non-government employees tend to live and work where Metro really doesn't make much sense in their commute. What? Is someone who lives 20 blocks from a station in Arlington going to walk (or wait for a bus), so that they can transfer at Rosslyn and West Falls Church, so they can have another long seven block walk to their office in Tysons?

In my last job before moving to NYC, I could've commuted from Fairfax City to Bethesda on Metro. It would've required me to wake up at 5:30AM to drive to Vienna Station (the furthest station on the Orange Line), pay $X to park, pay for a $X monthly Metro Pass... or whatever it's called, and transfer at Metro Center and would've taken 3 hours total. Instead, I could sit in traffic for an hour and forty-five minutes, wake up later, listen to the radio, leave work whenever I wanted to, not have to walk five blocks to the station nearest to my office in the winter. Even at $4 gas, it still made a lot more sense to me to drive.

Very few people, aside from tourists and VFR traffic, are actually going to go from Downtown DC, Bethesda, Arlington, or Falls Church to IAD to catch a flight via Metro.
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:40 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 36):
I had heard that the residents of G'town did'nt want to give easy access to the 'urban' neighborhoods of DC..

That is a commonly repeated falsehood.
 
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 36):
I had heard that the residents of G'town did'nt want to give easy access to the 'urban' neighborhoods of DC.. It is such a pain to get off at Foggy Bottom and walk all the way thru G'town.
Quoting D L X (Reply 38):
That is a commonly repeated falsehood.

Building an underground Georgetown metro station would have been a massive engineering project that WMATA simply could not have undertaken at the time.

Georgetown has terrible surface traffic, a heavy rail option is long overdue. The light rail option only scratches the surface.
 
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:35 pm

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 31):
The Purple Line is close to getting started.

Not even close. A final route hasn't been chosen and there is no funding for the Purple Line.

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 37):
Very few people, aside from tourists and VFR traffic, are actually going to go from Downtown DC, Bethesda, Arlington, or Falls Church to IAD to catch a flight via Metro.

Which is why many are concerned about spending so much money for an airport station that few will actually use.
 
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:01 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 40):
Which is why many are concerned about spending so much money for an airport station that few will actually use.

Those people are short sighted. Will people from Cheverly or Addison Road use the subway to get to Dulles? Maybe not.

Will people from Tysons?

  
 
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:29 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 41):
Will people from Tysons?

No.

Anyone who is traveling on business can get reimbursed for parking, the Dulles Toll Road airport lane is never congested, and after a long flight you can drive right to your residence.

Besides that, no one actually lives in Tysons.
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RE: Mwaa Approves Underground Station At IAD

Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 42):
Besides that, no one actually lives in Tysons.

You clearly don't live in the area anymore.

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