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MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:52 am

46% of Mississippi Republicans still think interracial marriage should be illegal. In fact, there are more that think it should be illegal (46%), than legal (40%)

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We asked voters on this poll whether they think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal- 46% of Mississippi Republicans said it should be illegal to just 40% who think it should be legal.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot....ur-bryant-lead-in-mississippi.html

Wow,in this day and age...
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:56 am

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46% of Mississippi Republicans still think interracial marriage should be illegal. In fact, there are more that think it should be illegal (46%), than legal (40%)

Zentraedi..........I will "attempt" to throw some light on this; I have no way of knowing if you have ever been to the U.S., if you live here, or whatever, but it is like this: there exists, among people of all countries the world over, a very common "trait"; this "trait" is NOT "natural", that is, new born infants are NOT born with it, they LEARN it from adults as they are growing up. Where does this "trait" come from? That's very difficult to answer, but for most of the past 50 or so years, I have been chalking it up to.......human nature. It is not the nature of human beings to be kind, sympathetic to others, etc.
It is more "natural" for humans to be like animals in a jungle; eat the next guy before he eats me! Fortunately, throughout much of the past few centuries, humans have made great strides, to being "kinder" towards one another. But the "trait" I speak of is still very much with us, but again, fortunately, even it is showing some signs of "improvement". The trait that I speak of is called "prejudice"; it's root cause is ignorance. (Has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with intelligence; ) Many very intelligent people are afflicted with it.
The young of any species tend to become like their parents, their older acquaintances, family members, and so on.

As for the United States, as I'm sure you probably know, it's only been a few hundred years that black people were brought to this country, ( mostly to the southern states), and were made to be slaves. Obviously, the U.S. has come a long way since then! But old customs, old ways of doing things, old ways of "looking at things" are very hard to change.

Actually, I'm very surprised that "the south" has changed as much as it has, as quickly as it has, but like every other part of this country, ( and like every other country ), a lot more "change" is needed.

In some ways, I was a little more fortunate when I was growing up than a lot of kids, as a white kid in a medium size town; my father never made a lot of money, he never went to college, but he fortunately didn't have that flawed trait of prejudice, so at least I didn't learn it at home. In grade school, I never knew a black kid; in Jr. High School, there were only three black kids, two were nice, but the third, John M. must have had "the trait", because he tried to give me a hard time, and he was pretty tough; finally I had my fill of his "attitude" and we "came to blows"; I didn't "win", but neither did he! We had no further problems after that! In High School, I got along great with all the black students. When I went into the Navy, some of my best friends were black guys. During 45 yrs or so of working for a living, I worked with many, many black guys, and some of them were the best friends I had. But as I finally made it to maybe my 50's , it dawned on me........
it really has nothing to do with what peoples skin color is, or what country their parents came from, it only matters what's in their character ! People, human beings, are all alike in so many ways; the only things that make them "different", that prevent them from peacefully co-existing, is the evil influence from ignorant people they have had to live around.

Take a good look around the world; do you see anyplace where everyone treats everyone else, nice and "warm and fuzzy" ? I don't think so.

You mentioned "in this day and age".........................I happen to live in a very small little "village" in western Indiana; we have maybe 200 people who live here year around; my very best friend's younger son has been in the Marine Corps for 8 or 9 years; while he was in Africa, he met a young lady, married her, and their little 5 yr old daughter is slightly "lighter" than her mom, but she is still quite obviously a black child; ( I might add, an exceptionally pretty, sweet little girl.)
There are MANY "red necks" in Indiana ! When my friend's daughter-in-law and their grand daughter come to visit, my friend "expected the worst"; he was amazingly relieved that no one said or did anything "stupid"; ( fortunately for them! )
My friend is only 5' 10", maybe 225, but he bench presses 400 lbs! And he knows no fear ! The guy would fight a mob in a heartbeat if it "became necessary". His son is smaller than his dad; but he has his dad's "genes", and the Marine Corps has taught him to "kill with his hands", and he has spent a lot of time teaching other marines how to do the same. So yes, inter-racial marriage can work, and it can work just fine, but there will always be ignorant people trying to keep it from working.

I must be very careful here, being on a public forum, but we have in this country a handful of people who wish to be rich, but they don't wish to "work" for a living, so they have "developed" a very clever "career", which has made them millions, all without working a lick! It's called "race-baiting"; ( I call it "stirring the pot"; ) They have made a career of telling black people how "oppressed" they are, how "unfair" the "system" is, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum; problem is, it's all BS ! Anyone who can't "make it" in the U.S.A. can't "make it" anyplace. And yes, there will always be a lot of people who can't make it anyplace.

So don't be too surprised that there a few "un-enlightened" Republicans in the deep south; there are probably a few in Indiana ! ( I just met our Governor a few months ago, and he's a pretty "cool" guy ! ) ( He rides a Harley )

Stick around till 2012; I think you are going to see a bunch more "change" in this country! ( but we will always have a lot of ignorant people; it's just human nature! )

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:27 pm

Cherry picking quotes, statistics, and polls to paint one's opponents in a backwards light is as American as apple pie. A classic example is the "guess who said it game" with quotes from such forward-thinkers as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao:

http://thepeoplescube.com/QuoteQuiz/index.php

MS or the south in general is no different than the rest of the nation. I know plenty of interracial couples living happily in the southern United States, and I've seen some of the most shocking racism in my life in the "liberal" north east.
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:44 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Thread starter):
46% of Mississippi Republicans still think interracial marriage should be illegal. In fact, there are more that think it should be illegal (46%), than legal (40%)

Just for fun, now I want to be married to an Arab woman in a Mississippi Church and I want all MS Republicans in the event. I'm sure that will drive them mad.  
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:03 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 3):
Just for fun, now I want to be married to an Arab woman....

In this case, aren't you more likely to have more serious problems from a different direction than the Mississippi Republicans?
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:11 pm

I like the "cherry-picking" comment; I have seen and observed vastly more blatantly racist attitudes and actions in putatively-advanced places like Southern California and New York, than in the "racist" south.

Interesting phenomenon, actually.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:14 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Thread starter):
Mississippi Republicans

With this fact...you really find this surprising?
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:41 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Thread starter):
46% of Mississippi Republicans ...Wow,in this day and age...



If they polled Mississippi Democrats or Independence do you think you think the outcome would be different?

Just ten (10) years ago 40% of all Alabama "all" voters voted to outlaw interracial marriage!
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:07 pm

Interesting how times change... Some of the most racist US politicians have been Southern Democrats...
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:24 pm

Quoting Geezer (Reply 1):
As for the United States, as I'm sure you probably know, it's only been a few hundred years that black people were brought to this country, ( mostly to the southern states), and were made to be slaves. Obviously, the U.S. has come a long way since then! But old customs, old ways of doing things, old ways of "looking at things" are very hard to change.

With due respect to your understanding of history, Blacks have been in this country longer than just about every other emigrant ethnic group in this country. There were large populations of slaves in what is now the United States for well over a hundred years before the Declaration of Independence.

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 2):
MS or the south in general is no different than the rest of the nation. I know plenty of interracial couples living happily in the southern United States, and I've seen some of the most shocking racism in my life in the "liberal" north east.

The key difference between the North and the South is that the South knows that it has problems with race. They've been through it, the key battlegrounds of the Civil Rights movement were overwhelmingly in the South. The North on the other hand, pretends that there are no racial problems, or they claim that "they are blind to race" or that we live in a post-racial society.

With that being said, the South itself is not necessarily more racist, instead it is more of a rural vs. urban divide. Rural folks, regardless of their geographic origin, are more likely to hold prejudiced views than urban residents.
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 2):
MS or the south in general is no different than the rest of the nation. I know plenty of interracial couples living happily in the southern United States, and I've seen some of the most shocking racism in my life in the "liberal" north east.

Yet, you provide no evidence, only personal anecdotes.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):

If they polled Mississippi Democrats or Independence do you think you think the outcome would be different?

Just ten (10) years ago 40% of all Alabama "all" voters voted to outlaw interracial marriage!

To be honest, I think it would be slightly different.
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:15 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 10):
Yet, you provide no evidence, only personal anecdotes.

Dude, interracial couples are very COMMON in the south. If you want evidence you should pay a visit.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Thread starter):
MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal  

Good Lord - don't they have much bigger fish to fry in Mississippi than this?!?
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 2):
Cherry picking quotes, statistics, and polls to paint one's opponents in a backwards light is as American as apple pie. A classic example is the "guess who said it game" with quotes from such forward-thinkers as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao:

Actually, this is a nonpartisan polling firm that candidates on both sides use to form their campaign and political strategies. So if they came up with these numbers, they are as close to "true" as anyone is going to get.

A couple of years ago, a local official in Louisiana refused to allow an interracial couple to marry and he would up having to resign from his post. So it's not isolated by any means, and this poll is accurate. Yes, it's a smear, but it's a very true smear.

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 2):
Cherry picking quotes, statistics, and polls to paint one's opponents in a backwards light is as American as apple pie. A classic example is the "guess who said it game" with quotes from such forward-thinkers as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao:

This is a strange straw-man game that doesn't prove very much except not to trust platitudes from evil people. What they said and what they did are two very different things. It's like when the GOP's party platform wants "liberty for all" by banning gay marriage, recriminalizing sodomy, stepping up the war on drugs, etc.

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 8):
Some of the most racist US politicians have been Southern Democrats...

Everyone loves bringing this up, as if a group of Democrats from a half-century ago has anything to do with the modern DNC. When JFK pushed the Civil Rights legislation, those Democrats defected... to the GOP. And that's where they stayed.

I keep hearing people accusing the Democrats of being the "real" racists except that makes as much sense as accusing the Germans of being Nazis because they were 70 years ago.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:24 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Everyone loves bringing this up, as if a group of Democrats from a half-century ago has anything to do with the modern DNC. When JFK pushed the Civil Rights legislation, those Democrats defected... to the GOP. And that's where they stayed.

Thanks for misquoting me...

Any how... Southern Democrat George Wallace, for example, never went to the GOP... he was an independent....

..and ol' Georgie was certainly one of the most racist guys around...
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:32 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 14):
Thanks for misquoting me...

How does one misquote the only thing in your post?

For the record, Doc is right. Old-school Southern Democrats have absolutely no relation to the modern DNC, other than name.

Did you also know Honest Abe was a Republican? (Hint: that Republican Party has nothing to do with today's GOP either)

This has been your history lesson for today. Can we now please knock it off with the name calling?
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:00 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 14):
..and ol' Georgie was certainly one of the most racist guys around...

Not to go on too much of a tangent, but that may not be true. Just some interesting historical footnotes:

There is a strong case that Wallace wasn't particularly racist at all, but rather that he basically pretended to be a racist in order to be successful, pandering to the racist majority vote at the time. Wallace was an extremely progressive judge before he entered politics. And later in his gubernatorial career, when he didn't need to be a racist anymore, he pursued integrationist policies (and governmental hiring) at a rate that would have made most northern states blush.

Of course, pretending to be a racist in order to be successful is not exactly morally right. One might argue that it's even worse, because you don't have ignorance as an excuse.

One of my favourite songs, about 'the duality of the southern thing'.

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:20 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
If they polled Mississippi Democrats or Independence do you think you think the outcome would be different?



   What a cheap shot by these folks who took the "poll.".

It's based on family rearing, conservative or liberal , and judging behavior of a person herself/himself.

But the bias media would have it republicans only.  Wow!
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:55 pm

Well, I have nothing against it but I would believe the south has some deep hatred for interracial marriages. You can't change family blood and in most cases it runs in the family. Sad really.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:21 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Actually, this is a nonpartisan polling firm that candidates on both sides use to form their campaign and political strategies.

Lot's of people claim to be non-partisan. Let's look at PPP's clientel:

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Federal

Congressman Bob Etheridge (NC) - Democrat
Congressman Steve Kagen (WI) - Democrat
Congressman Brad Miller (NC) - Democrat
Congressman David Price (NC) - Democrat

State

Rep. Kelly Alexander (NC) - Democrat
Rep. Creighton Coleman (SC) - Democrat
Assemblyman Herb Conaway (NJ) - Democrat
Rep. Tricia Cotham (NC) - Democrat
Rep. Chandra Dillard (SC) - Democrat
Rep. Ryan Dvorak (IN) - Democrat
Rep. Craig Fry (IN) - Democrat
Treasurer Janet Cowell (NC) - Democrat
Justice Robin Hudson (NC) - Democrat
Judge Bob Hunter (NC) - Democrat

Organizations

Planned Parenthood Action Fund of Central NC
NC Sierra Club
North Carolina Democratic Party
North Carolina Democratic Senate Caucus
North Carolina Democratic House Caucus
North Carolina NAACP
NARAL Pro-Choice NC
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees
State Employees Association of North Carolina

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I wouldn't call that a balanced list, would you?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/clients.asp

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
What they said and what they did are two very different things.

And the same couldn't be said of the population polled in this study? The question was not "would you lynch an interracial couple," it asked their thought on the matter. Frankly, comparing quotes of our elected officials to all those tyrants should be scarier since they actually have power.

But as I said before, I'm willing to toss out the b.s. on both sides because it isn't substantive.
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:48 am

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 18):
You can't change family blood and in most cases it runs in the family. Sad really.

Of course you can change family blood, and that's no excuse for racism in any place. I am sure that all of us have certain things we believe in that our grandparents wouldn't have, for example.

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:37 am

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 19):

Lot's of people claim to be non-partisan. Let's look at PPP's clientel:

PPP was started by a Democrat but has been acknowledged by people on both ends of the spectrum to be very accurate.

Fact is that there are a lot of people in Mississippi who vote GOP who think that interracial marriage should be banned.

THIS is the base of many of the GOP candidates currently running for President and it scares the crap out of me.

And the bit that pisses me off is that these people are often the most vehement flag-wavers of all.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:50 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
I have seen and observed vastly more blatantly racist attitudes and actions in putatively-advanced places like Southern California

For the 88th time, Southern California outside of LA is NOT liberal. In fact, it's as conservative as the Deep South, if not more so.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
New York

New York City itself is largely progressive, but in the suburbs (similar to the LA metro area) and outlying areas, there's much more conservative views.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):

I keep hearing people accusing the Democrats of being the "real" racists except that makes as much sense as accusing the Germans of being Nazis because they were 70 years ago.

Yeah, its amazing that people apparently don't seem to understand the different between the Dixiecrats of the 1950s and today's DNC. Your point is 100% correct- when JFK pushed civil rights, most of the Southern "Democrats" defected to the GOP- the party that truly aligned with their views.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:48 am

Quoting Geezer (Reply 1):
it really has nothing to do with what peoples skin color is, or what country their parents came from, it only matters what's in their character

So at least you fulfilled Dr. Martin Luther King's dream. Nice post by the way.

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:00 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 8):
Interesting how times change... Some of the most racist US politicians have been Southern Democrats...


All of who switched to the Republican Party.
Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms just to name a few.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Everyone loves bringing this up, as if a group of Democrats from a half-century ago has anything to do with the modern DNC. When JFK pushed the Civil Rights legislation, those Democrats defected... to the GOP. And that's where they stayed.


  

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
Did you also know Honest Abe was a Republican? (Hint: that Republican Party has nothing to do with today's GOP either)

This has been your history lesson for today. Can we now please knock it off with the name calling?


  
Well said!

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 16):
And later in his gubernatorial career, when he didn't need to be a racist anymore, he pursued integrationist policies (and governmental hiring) at a rate that would have made most northern states blush.
Quoting san747 (Reply 22):
Southern California outside of LA is NOT liberal. In fact, it's as conservative as the Deep South, if not more so.


That is very true and he also begged for forgiveness from Black voters in the 1982 Gubernatorial election when he decided to go back in to politics.

Quoting san747 (Reply 22):
Yeah, its amazing that people apparently don't seem to understand the different between the Dixiecrats of the 1950s and today's DNC. Your point is 100% correct- when JFK pushed civil rights, most of the Southern "Democrats" defected to the GOP- the party that truly aligned with their views.


They understand but they pretend not to. There is a reason why David Duke ran as Republican and had more success than when he ran as a Democrat 4 years prior.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Thread starter):
Wow,in this day and age...

Wow... I agree , if the poll is true it is seriously insane. I have been to the south alot ... seems like they are all getting along just fine to me. But the Dems cant have that ... that would be the end of the platform. Imagine if everyone just got along with each other , worked and took care of themselves ... the dems would be out of buisness overnight.

Meanwhile .... the dems go to the mat to keep plan parent hood open .. and they abort 60-70% African American babies. And before you jump... I am pro choice. But imagine if the GOP supported a entity that aborted 40% more minority babies than white. Imagine a GOP candiate coming out supporting PP because they provide a heavy number of "services" for inter city women and girls. That said ....keeping the race card handy is the best way for the dems to win and it will always work.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:33 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):

Wow... I agree , if the poll is true it is seriously insane.

The poll is true.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):

Meanwhile .... the dems go to the mat to keep plan parent hood open .. and they abort 60-70% African American babies.

Yup. Because they have the highest rate of unintended pregnancy. You can't seriously be insinuating that this is because Democrats are racist.

OMG, wait, you are. *facepalm*
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
Yup. Because they have the highest rate of unintended pregnancy. You can't seriously be insinuating that this is because Democrats are racist.



No .. I am not. But if the GOP framed the PP argument around race how would that work ? The choice weapon of the Dem's is race ...everything ...every issue is framed around race for them. So imagine ...if the GOP did it... "PP kills black babies" as a campaign slogan .. ..see how that would work ? Thank goodness we don't.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:22 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Fact is that there are a lot of people in Mississippi who vote GOP who think that interracial marriage should be banned.

THIS is the base of many of the GOP candidates currently running for President and it scares the crap out of me.

You're scared that some people behind a candidate have wacked ideas? I'm sure we can dig up a metric crap ton of dirt on people who voted for Obama, too. Hell, Ghaddafi just said he hopes Obama wins in 2012. You don't see anybody else pulling B.S. like what you just did, saying they are "scared of Obama because Ghaddafi supports him". At least, I haven't seen that - and if anybody does say that, well, shame on them.

Fact is, I could be the most wacko person out there - just because I decide to support somebody does not mean that person I support thinks the same way I do.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:08 pm

Quoting san747 (Reply 22):
For the 88th time, Southern California outside of LA is NOT liberal. In fact, it's as conservative as the Deep South, if not more so.

1) Basically all of Southern California outside San Diego County is classified as "L.A."

2) You are wrong about that anyway. There are heavily "liberal" places outside both the city and county of Los Angeles (which, by the way, absolutely dwarfs the rest of the region in population anyway). And those which aren't traditionally "liberal" by measure like Cook PVI, are often heavily slanted in a more classically conservative, libertarian way - the county I grew up in (Ventura) comes to mind
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Basically all of Southern California outside San Diego County is classified as "L.A."


By whom? What about Orange County? The Inland Empire (Riverside/San Berardino)? Or the Antelope Valley (Palmdale/Lancaster/Quartz Hill)? The South Bay (Torrance/Redondo Beach, etc)? How about Long Beach, Inglewood, Hollywood, Santa Monica, Ventura, Santa Barbra I could go on and on but there is a lot more to Southern California than LA!
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:37 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 24):

I believe Reagan's southern strategy was also a driving force.

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I wonder how many in the poll were white men who felt inadequate.



...that you superfly?  


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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:12 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):

2) You are wrong about that anyway. There are heavily "liberal" places outside both the city and county of Los Angeles (which, by the way, absolutely dwarfs the rest of the region in population anyway). And those which aren't traditionally "liberal" by measure like Cook PVI, are often heavily slanted in a more classically conservative, libertarian way - the county I grew up in (Ventura) comes to mind

I know where I live, and I've lived in LA, OC, SD, and the Inland Empire since 1991. Yes, there are some liberal bastions besides LA, mainly when you go north and when you head up into the mountains, but generally, the further inland you go, the more conservative you find the population.

Some may be more libertarian like you said- I've definitely seen that- but the majority of conservatives in my area are the social conservative/overly-devoutly religious kind.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:20 am

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 28):

You're scared that some people behind a candidate have wacked ideas?

I'm scared that they want to use the law to force their opinions on other peoples' personal behavior. I wonder what YOU do that they want banned?
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:26 am

Wow!! They are soooo late in MS , hello? in the U.S. it is not cool to be racist against african-americans anymore! The "in" thing now is racism against arabs... Duh!

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:41 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 30):
By whom? What about Orange County? The Inland Empire (Riverside/San Berardino)? Or the Antelope Valley (Palmdale/Lancaster/Quartz Hill)? The South Bay (Torrance/Redondo Beach, etc)? How about Long Beach, Inglewood, Hollywood, Santa Monica, Ventura, Santa Barbra I could go on and on but there is a lot more to Southern California than LA!


Those places all look alike so it's easy for people to think it's all LA.  
I do agree that there is more to southern California besides LA.
There is also Blythe, Big Bear, El Centro, Barstow, Fillmore. None of that is LA.

Quoting san747 (Reply 32):
Some may be more libertarian like you said- I've definitely seen that- but the majority of conservatives in my area are the social conservative/overly-devoutly religious kind.


Yes there are parts of southern California that are extremely right-wing. In fact, Aryan Nation has an operation in Escondido, California and was founded in Lancaster, California.
Fontana used to have Klan rallies as recently as the 1980s.
Yes there are some very conservative areas in southern California.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 31):
I believe Reagan's southern strategy was also a driving force.


Very true.
Reagan launched his campaign at the site of one of the most gruesome murders in the Civil Rights movement. He picks Philadelphia, Mississippi preaching 'States Rights' which is code word for segregation, discrimination, Jim Crow and all the ugly things that was synonymous with the South.
Philadelphia, Mississippi was were 4 Civil Rights activist were lynched for participating in a voter registration drive in 1964.

BTW, thanks for censoring that man's 'driving force'.  
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:02 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
BTW, thanks for censoring that man's 'driving force'.

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:04 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
I'm scared that they want to use the law to force their opinions on other peoples' personal behavior. I wonder what YOU do that they want banned?

The constituents will always want that, no matter what. I bet they want Obama to do that, too.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:13 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 27):


No .. I am not. But if the GOP framed the PP argument around race how would that work ?

Very differently. The GOP has a problem with hatred in its ranks. Religious, racial, sexual. The DNC does not.

The GOP has a history of opposing rights for women to vote, minorities to vote, interracial marriage, gay rights, and now GOP officials are running around opposing Islam, even going so far as to support organizations that state that the First Amendment doesn't apply to non-Christians. The DNC has shown no such behavior since a 1963 and even then it was just a few Southern Democrats.

In the last 20 years alone, the GOP has managed to pass DOMA (of course Billy signed it, but that's a whole separate post), oppose the repeal of DADT, oppose hate crimes legislation for sexual minorities, oppose the construction of mosques, and now that there's a budget crisis, pledge millions of dollars to defending that same DOMA.

There is a serious problem with sadistic hatred in the GOP. The DNC, for all its faults, has no such problem.

I think that everyone else here is just too chicken to say it flat-out like I did.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:44 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Fact?

Really? Just because you say so?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
a lot of people in Mississippi who vote GOP who think that interracial marriage should be banned

You are, of course, an expert on the people of Mississippi because you have lived there so long.  
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
The GOP has a problem with hatred in its ranks

Dude, you are truly 'trippin with that statement.
There are people I meet all the time who consider themselves "good" Democrats and they are haters and bigots.
That would include a few blacks as well. Ever lived in Atlanta?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
everyone else here is just too chicken to say it flat-out like I did.

No, we've just got more sense than to make a blanket statement like that.  

The whole idea is just plain stupid. The deep-south is full of mixed-race couples of all different genders.
Over ten years ago I spent a while living in Mobile, Alabama, which is just across the border from Mississippi. There were mixed-race couples all over the place. The average citizen of the deep-south could give a rats a$$. They are a lot more concerned with jobs, and the cost of living just like everybody else.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:58 pm

Pretty ironic a guy in Japan is going on about racism in the US.
 
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:14 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
The GOP has a problem with hatred in its ranks


Hatred? ... You wanna see hatred go to a few democrat rallies ... now that is hatred. An the antidote for this hatred is to spend ourselves into oblivion? So we should feel so guilty that we just pass out checks to every whiny lib who wants something?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
DOMA


   It is not a issue that matters to the country and its overall societal health. Sorry .. I don't mind saying it like it is. It is just a issue used for damage to political opponents ... now we have a president that votes against it before he votes for it and dangles it out there to keep the lefties on the line. And of course he gets away with it. ... that is about all the issue really comes down too.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
There is a serious problem with sadistic hatred in the GOP. The DNC, for all its faults, has no such problem.


Mark my words ... the left will imprison and kill the opposition much faster than the right will. We will come to a place in America where the left becomes the "party" of the state and opponents will be in dire trouble. We are seeing it happen before our eyes .. the left becoming the accepted political viewpoint with its minions out calling for war and destruction of the opposition.
It is revolutionary leftist ideology and we are heading right for it. You remember in years to come ..my words .. it is going to happen. Laugh all all you want ... but it is inevitable.

topic ..
I think to make the left feel better we should have "marriage quotas" ... a certain number of white males and AA males should have to marry the opposite race . If you don't you wont get that funding you need for your hospitals and doctors ...   
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:22 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 41):
the left will imprison and kill the opposition much faster than the right will

Well, McCarthyism already happened in the US, if I'm not mistaken.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:35 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 42):
Well, McCarthyism already happened in the US, if I'm not mistaken.



In a cold war setting ? With a state of war in effect ... where the critical information of seeing a B-52 or a submarine and passing that information along could give advantage to the enemy at that time ? Yes any sane country would be going after a political group who is ideologically aligned with the enemy . Except nowadays we are neutered into thinking we are safe behind our wall of tolerance and openness.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 41):

Hatred? ... You wanna see hatred go to a few democrat rallies ... now that is hatred.

BULL STOOL. The only hatred there is against people who are intolerant and hateful. I hate them, too. The only people I want to see violence against are those who sadistically enjoy violence.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 41):


It is not a issue that matters to the country and its overall societal health. Sorry .. I don't mind saying it like it is.

Then why is the GOP fervently defending it? I'll tell you why: their base hates gays. HATES them. Many call for public execution. Some Major GOP state platforms call for the recriminalization of sodomy. Why? The people voting GOP hate gays.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 41):

Mark my words ... the left will imprison and kill the opposition much faster than the right will.

This has not been historically borne out in this country. Joe McCarthy was what party again? Refresh me?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 43):

In a cold war setting ? With a state of war in effect ... where the critical information of seeing a B-52 or a submarine and passing that information along could give advantage to the enemy at that time ? Yes any sane country would be going after a political group who is ideologically aligned with the enemy

So in spite of history showing that McCarthy was an evil sadist, like so many of his GOP colleagues, you still defend him?

Who next? Nixon? Moussolini? Mubarak? Hussein?
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:04 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 38):
sadistic hatred

I'm a registered Republican. I don't see that among the people I know, which, trust me, a large portion of them are republican. I'd say I'm fairly open minded, too. I'm not saying there aren't any people filled with hatred in the party, but you seem to think it is a large portion of us. But hey, at least I can admit that there might be some of those in the ranks - you flat out deny any original hatred (only recipcrocol), which I personally think is BS:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 44):

BULL STOOL. The only hatred there is against people who are intolerant and hateful. I hate them, too. The only people I want to see violence against are those who sadistically enjoy violence.


Oh well. I guess I'll just be included in the generic "Southern Republican" term and smirk and shake my head whenever anybody tries to include me in with the others. Yeah, I must really, really hate everybody and everything. /s
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 44):
Then why is the GOP fervently defending it?



Simple ..because the opposition uses it as a weapon . Obama himself is a classic example of using gay rights like a Bic lighter because he knows they do not have the numbers to vote. But they push and push to show the GOP as hatred filled racists ... and point to a minority of homosexuals as a victimized class. They build up the victims ... push is as a plank and it works. So.. Who will be the next victim to be held up ? The idea of ostracizing opponents as racist and bigoted is very fertile ground indeed ... all you need is another victim and you have it.

But the big picture is very very simple... make the GOP appear racist ...this helps get more illegal immigrants legalized and lining up to vote for them. That is the big power push that is the golden goose ... you are just being used to lay the groundwork.

The progressives know the end game ... and they understand racism , class-ism and victim-ism is the #1 weapon to accomplish it.

I have no problem with gays ... I do have a problem with the people using them for power. What you do in your private life is your business and I wish you happiness but your issue has been hijacked .
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 46):
make the GOP appear racist
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 46):
you are just being used to lay the groundwork.

You are absolutely right. Could not agree with you more!

"Birthers", calling Obama "Hussein".. its all part of the same game.

BOTH parties are out there controlling what they want YOU to think.

Why cant people see that?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 46):
I wish you happiness but your issue has been hijacked .

And the GOP does not hijack issues? taxes, "terrorism", "socialism"..

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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:43 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 46):
But the big picture is very very simple... make the GOP appear racist ...this helps get more illegal immigrants legalized and lining up to vote for them.

...., and that tactic is very effective when people like you, in one sentence no less, proceed to go off on loony-tune racist conspiracy rants. Seriously, listen to yourself. The evil socialist commie left doesn't have to say anything when people like you write nonsense like that.
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RE: MS Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Illegal

Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:02 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
I'm scared that they want to use the law to force their opinions on other peoples' personal behavior.

Unless you're going fully libertarian you should not use that sentence.
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