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Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:05 pm

I saw the topic 'Favorite cities' - Your Favourite Cities? (by LGWflyer Apr 6 2011 in Non Aviation) and I thought why not to start a thread of your top cities you don't want to return to, and why not?

My top 3 to start with.

1) Ulan Bator, capital of Mongolia. Really next to nothing to see, except the large Buddha statue and Zaisan Memorial with a cute view over the city. The city is a mess, roads are bad, and I wonder why a million people would live there.
2) Zhangjiakou, nothing to see however it's a city with about 4 million people.
3) Duisburg, it gave me a very insecure feeling when I was there.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:12 pm

Well, I won't go so far as to say that I never want to go back there again (though I wouldn't be disappointed if I didn't have to), the top (or bottom) of my list is Macon, GA. Granted, there are a few nicer spots, but not many and most of the place is not exactly prepossessing. My cousins live there, though, so I do usually go there once a year or so, but I sure don't like it.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:16 pm

Cancun, Mexico. I only went there to catch a Cubana IL-62 flight to Cuba.
I did see Cancun for several days and it was a dump. The only Mexicans I saw were hotel & restaurant staff. Didn't see ordinary locals there at all. Instead all I saw was drunken fraternity boys and sorority girls. Many vendors trying to rip you off and sale you junk. I had a bad experience with the hotel and staff. Had money stolen as well. It was not a fun place at all and completely void of any culture what so ever. I knew it was a resort town so my expectations were not high to begin with. I ended being more disappointed with the place once I got there.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:21 pm

London, Ontario. Too many one way streets and very difficult to get around. Toronto is kinda the same but I know the area so I can either walk or take transit. I went to London last month for a concert because there was no stop in Toronto. Me and my friend were getting pissed off because we could find the street his GPS said we kept passing. Turned out it was under a bridge we were driving over. >_>

Whoever designed this city was drunk or high. I hate one way streets with a passion. The only reason I would go back is for another concert that's not in Toronto.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:26 pm

the entire country of Venezuela, most prominently Guayana City

It was a shithole, getting stuck there during the referendum on Hugo Chávez didn't help much.

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Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Penang, Malaysia. Nothing to see, nothing to do and it's a bit of a dump. I was so unimpressed I left a day early.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Quoting UltimateDelta (Reply 1):
My cousins live there, though, so I do usually go there once a year or so, but I sure don't like it.

I feel the same way about Waterbury, CT.

I have relatives and friends in the area so I end up there a couple times a year, and each time I ask myself why.

Luckily, most have moved away from the area so the need to go there isn't as much as it used to be.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:36 pm

Las Vegas.

Until I'm legally able to be inside a casino and I went there when it was 116 Degrees Fahrenheit

Went there for 2 nights as a part of a package tour, didn't enjoy it as I was below 18, though I did enjoy the Bellagio and it's water show.


Manila, Philippines

I have no choice, but to go back to that awful, dirty and noisy city. My grandparents live in the Southern part of the country, so we always stop by MNL and catch a domestic flight, Cebu is way better but international flights to/from the US is rather limited and expensive compared to Manila.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:50 pm

I'll go just about anywhere at least once, but I wouldn't look forward to returning to Le Havre.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:10 pm

Brugges, Belgium. Been there twice (not by choice) and I just can't stand the city for some reason. Another city I hope to never see again is Waco, Texas.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
The only Mexicans I saw were hotel & restaurant staff. Didn't see ordinary locals there at all

Thats because you did not go into Cancun proper and stayed along the coast and hotel strip.

Cancun proper is not bad, and like any smaller/medium sized Mexican city. Some very good food and decent(cheaper) shopping. An in turn, you wont see any Americans as they are too busy at the beach or partying up along the hotel strip.

Take a look at a map of Cancun, and you'll see the pretty dense city itself located NW of the hotel strip.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:11 pm

Fortaleza, Brazil. It's not bad but dangerous..
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:25 pm

Susanville, CA

Reno, NV

Bad memories, had a gun pulled on me, got conned, and got lost in the dangerous part of Reno. Never going back to either of these towns.

Newport, OR - Don't like the smell of fish guts in the air from the city's canneries.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:26 pm

Linz, Austria. I was there for 2 days, it rained continuously while I was there and my overriding memory is wet greyness.

Port Louis, Mauritius. Expensive, impersonal, boring.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting andz (Reply 13):
Port Louis, Mauritius. Expensive, impersonal, boring.

Second that. Its really expensive and you get hoards of people trying to sell you crap because you're a tourist. The whole island is one big tourist trap.

Adelaide..my former hometown. Its one big s*ithole, filled with people who can't drive

Kalgoorlie, WA - another dusty desert town with nothing to offer (plus the fact I was mugged there in broad daylight didn't help)

Las Vegas - the whole thing looks and feels fake

Muscat, Oman - absolutely nothing to see or do and its always hot (At least when I was there)

Atlanta, GA - can't stand that traffic, and MARTA sucks.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:12 pm

I can't think of a place. I guess Guyaquil doesn't appeal to me, but there isn't much to see there, anyway.

Even the places I've lived and hated (NYC and Detroit) I'd go back to. Detroit has some interesting and exciting things happening, a true renaissance now that Detroiters have realized that the city is dead and isn't going back to the old Glory Days, they're building something completely new in its place. Because the city is so hungry for anything to move there, some wonderful countercultural projects are taking root there.

NYC will always remain a wonderful place to visit, but I'd never want to live there again.

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Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:23 pm

I really HATE Los Angeles. The only area I can tolerate up there is Little Tokyo; everything else is crap to me. Traffic on the 405 at 2AM on Wednesday morning really pushed me to the limit. I've done everything possible to schedule flights that don't involve LAX.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:34 pm

Where I currently reside, Pembroke, Ontario. Dull, dull, dull, locally-raised population seem incredibly dumb, either genetically or purposefully, about the world outside the Ottawa Valley area. For some reason they're quite proud of it. Architecturally a wasteland, poor, and on a per capita basis, possibly the oxycontin addict and prostitution capital of Ontario.

I plan to leave in September and when I do, someone remind me to take a leak at the town limits.

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Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:24 pm

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 16):

I really HATE Los Angeles

Not alone. The only reason that I still have a (small) place in my heart for the city is because I was born here. But, other than that, it's miserable here. People love coming to Los Angeles... Why? because they only see the nice parts of it. The rest is just ugly, dirty, etc. I don't like it here...
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:12 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
Pembroke, Ontario
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
on a per capita basis, possibly the oxycontin addict and prostitution capital of Ontario.

Doest this explain Tom Green?   Shame to hear that about Pembroke. I haven't been there but was hoping it was nice, since I'm a big fan of small Ontario towns in general, basically. I like the geography in the Ottawa valley, anyway.

I'm going to go with Great Falls, MT. Took my first trip to MT last month for a few days, and after the joy that is Missoula, I was in near shock at the dump that is Great Falls, just a couple hours away. I would have thought that Malmstrom AFB would pump enough money into the area to have... something nice, anything really. I tried to drive along the river, thinking that would be scenic, only to find that urban planners have seen fit to pretty much line their entire stretch of the majestic Missouri with grey concrete. Couldn't even find a place to pull over safely and look down at the river, let alone a park. We did find a neat little diner, but it wasn't easy, and when we we dutifully stopped in at the tourist information centre to ask about a good restaurant, we were suggested Applebee's and Denny's...?

We're already looking to go back to Missoula, but no more pit stops in Great Falls, that's for sure.

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Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:23 pm

London, UK dumpsville
Naples, Italy, even more dumpsville
Los Angles, you have gotta be kidding!
New York, alright but not my cup of tea
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:30 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 19):
Doest this explain Tom Green? Shame to hear that about Pembroke. I haven't been there but was hoping it was nice, since I'm a big fan of small Ontario towns in general, basically. I like the geography in the Ottawa valley, anyway.

Nothing wrong with the geography and in autumn the tree colours are indeed gorgeous. it's the pissant, small-minded people who live here. They are truly the people who don;t know what they don;t know. I mean, theyu keep re-electing Cheryl Gallant of all people as their MP. 4 times now I think and likely a 5th on May 2.

Sheesh. Enough for me.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:50 pm

Not really a city but Paw Paw, WV. Smallest place in the world and completely isolated from everything and everyone! To make things worse, my dad lives in the middle of the woods just outside the town. I will say that for a southern town in the middle of nowhere, they weren't the stereotypical hillbillies. There's just nothing to do there and shouldn't be so isolated period.
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Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:58 pm

I can't think of any city I have visitied that I truly do not want to return to. Las Vegas (the actual city, not the strip) was completely underwhelming. There are some holes here in Utah that I have passed through once or twice, but most don't fall under the "city" category.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:45 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
"Never" is a long time, and things change a lot in a long time.

I generally agree. I've looked forward to leaving a number of places only to enjoy returning years later. My line of work also has a habit of sending people where they don't want to go, so I try not to make too many lists of where I don't want to go. But in the spirit of this thread:

Lubbock, TX - visited for a few college football games, some of worst home fans around. Long drives for not much in return. (Sorry TT folks)

Vidor, TX - every other trip I make East along I-10 it seems like I can't make it to Beaumont and need to stop in friggin Vidor. The town smells like garbage and it always seems like I stand a fair chance of being shanked while filling up my gas tank.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:52 am

Cairo, Egypt; Bethlehem, Palestine/Israel; Tijuana, Mexico. I HATE being haggled but can't blame the people. I'll probably be to #1 and #2 again later in life though, unfortunately. Once I see the Taj Mahal (hopefully) I'll probably add those cities to my list  
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:25 am

Encenada, Mexico - Nothing but a filthy dirty shithole. The harbor there is full of rusted out junk boats. The next time I'm on a cruise that stops there, I'm staying on the ship.

Los Angeles, CA - As others have mentioned it is a dirty smoggy dump with too much traffic and lousy public transportation.

Washington, DC - Once you get away from the tourist attractions around the mall, the place is a crime infested dump with traffic gridlock. I used to live outside DC and had no desire to go there.

Williams, AZ - I stayed there one night. There is nothing to do there.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:54 am

Prescott, AZ, don't get me started.
Any Mexican border city. (no issues with anywhere else in Mexico though)
Kingman, AZ, a glorified truck stop.
Anywhere in central CA, from VCV to Stockton, nothing but stinky farms.
Every town between 1-10 from TUS to SAT
Every town between the start of I-20 and DFW, nothing but stinky oil fields and cattle poop

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):

Cancun proper is not bad, and like any smaller/medium sized Mexican city. Some very good food and decent(cheaper) shopping. An in turn, you wont see any Americans as they are too busy at the beach or partying up along the hotel strip.

Agreed. And if you stay away from the tourist trap resorts on the Riviera Maya there's plenty of desolate beaches not yet spoiled by the idiotic resorts popping out everywhere. I've spent well over 4 months total in Cancun and loved every second of it, even when the hurricanes rolled through. You just have to avoid the idiotic tourist traps, and that goes for ANY touristy place on the planet.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:04 am

Kashgar, China. Interesting enough city, but each time I've been through there, I've managed to get sick. Don't know if it's the water, or the food, but something doesn't agree with me.

Come to think of it, most cities in Northern China (especially Lanzhou) can be added to the list. Most other places (even ones with bad reps, like Tehran, Sarajevo, Islamabad, and L.A. ) I would go back to, if not enjoy.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:04 am

Sadly, I haven't had much opportunity to travel around the world, I've only once been outside North America, and that was going to Costa Rica (absolutely gorgeous place!). However, of all the cities I've been to, without a doubt these are the cities I'd most rather not return to.

6) Los Angeles, California

There are times I love LA, but boy are there times I hate it. I've visited Los Angeles numerous times, and I think much of how much I can enjoy the city depends heavily on the weather, and where in the metro area I am. But god do I hate Los Angeles on a smoggy day where I'm in a generally unpleasant part of town. The big redeeming quality that prevents it from being higher up on the list is that there are so many nicer areas that are close to the city itself to escape.

5) Omaha, Nebraska

I'll give Omaha the benefit of the doubt. I've only been there once, and it was such a cloudy, dreary day that perhaps that's just not the best way to experience a city. But man, when I drove through there, it just did not at all seem like a pleasant place to be. However, I did visit an absolutely fantastic steakhouse near the city. I'd definitely give Omaha another chance to impress me.

4) Reno, Nevada

I've just had bad experience after bad experience in Reno. They are the town where my beloved Broncos fell. They are the town where I had lousy choir experiences. Just overall a place I don't want to return to.

3) Phoenix, Arizona

I would be completely content to never visit Phoenix ever again. I hate the constantly hot climate - I love seasonal variety, I love winters as much as I love summers. Phoenix is an ugly city, characterized by a huge lack of green, miles and miles and miles of ugly urban sprawl, water problems, immigration problems, crime problems, pollution, and endless amounts of hot sun. No thanks.

2) Houston, Texas

For one, I hate the dreary humid climate that makes you feel sweaty and lazy. But, Houston isn't necessarily a bad city... it's just to me the most generic large city in the United States. The city seems to have such little unique character. The airport is nice and clean and shiny, but there's so little character in that cold, glass and steel terminal. There seems to be so little character in their downtown and their skyline. Their sports teams stink. The city is plagued by sprawl (though not as bad as Phoenix). It always just seems hazy and generally unpleasant. That's been my experience anyway.

1) Spokane, Washington

Overall I just find very very little to like about Spokane. Much like Boise, Idaho, my hometown and favorite city in the world, Spokane is a small city with a lot of big city traits -- unlike Boise, however, the big city traits are ones you don't want in a place to live. It's depressing, dirty, and generally feels like an unsafe place to be (I don't know the crime stats, I'm just talking about perception). I would be content to never visit there again. Spokane is much like a West Coast version of an economically depressed town in Appalachia.

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Branson, Missouri
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 28):
Come to think of it, most cities in Northern China (especially Lanzhou) can be added to the list. Most other places (even ones with bad reps, like Tehran, Sarajevo, Islamabad, and L.A. ) I would go back to, if not enjoy.

You ever Been to Datong?

As for regions, I nominate Eastern South Dakota.

Most cities, I like.

Wait, I have to add Gatlinburg, TN. Never been to Branson. Agree on Houston Phoenix. Mostly they are paved urban hells. And I like cities and human development.

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Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:17 am

Leverkusen, Germany - boring, ugly

Minsk, Belarus - even worse

Quoting andz (Reply 13):
Linz, Austria. I was there for 2 days, it rained continuously while I was there and my overriding memory is wet greyness.

While I have never been to Linz, I really don't think it is that bad. When it is grey and wet, even Freiburg is ugly, so perhaps give the city a second chance.
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:37 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Thats because you did not go into Cancun proper and stayed along the coast and hotel strip.

Cancun proper is not bad, and like any smaller/medium sized Mexican city. Some very good food and decent(cheaper) shopping. An in turn, you wont see any Americans as they are too busy at the beach or partying up along the hotel strip.

Take a look at a map of Cancun, and you'll see the pretty dense city itself located NW of the hotel strip.
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 27):
Agreed. And if you stay away from the tourist trap resorts on the Riviera Maya there's plenty of desolate beaches not yet spoiled by the idiotic resorts popping out everywhere. I've spent well over 4 months total in Cancun and loved every second of it, even when the hurricanes rolled through. You just have to avoid the idiotic tourist traps, and that goes for ANY touristy place on the planet.



Exploring Cancun wasn't a priority. My focus was my trip to Cuba and didn't want to waste too much time & money getting acquainted with Cancun. I'm sure it has a more pleasant side but I'm sure I can get that experience in many other places as well.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:50 am

1. Hartford, Connecticut: Dreary. There´s nothing to do and the streets at night look like they´ve been taken over by the bag people.

2. Rio de Janeiro: Dirty, polluted, dangerous, outrageously expensive and terrible trafic.

3. Salzburg: The entire city is a tourist trap and the locals are among the rudest people.

4. Barranquilla, Colombia: Beyond dirty and smelly. The whole city smells like sewage an the concept of public sanitation probably hasn´t occured to the authorities. Crappy hotels and you have to be very careful with what you eat. No wonder Shakira left.

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Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:07 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
2. Rio de Janeiro: Dirty, polluted, dangerous, outrageously expensive and terrible trafic.

The photos (beach photos) I've seen are incredible. I still want to go there ver soon!
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:16 am

Pahrump, Nevada: Passed through here on the way from Las Vegas to Death Valley. I thought the "school bus on blocks
was just a stereotype but it proved to be very true in Pahrump. Kinda reminds me of Barstow... The entire town was a piece of sh*t. Run down and nothing to do other than get the hell out... Oh and the Wal-Mart there was like a scene from "Deliverance"... Totally freaked out my grandmother and sister. The creepy shelve stocker guy trying to hit on my sister (14 at the time) was the last straw. My dad kept my mom and sister VERY close in that town.

Amsterdam: Once was enough... The rest of the country of the Netherlands is beautiful (Den Haag area was my favorite followed closely by the Volendam area) but Amsterdam seemed pretty overrated. We did do some pretty fun things there and ate good food but other than that it was just another dirty city. Rome and Paris are also dirty but those are cities I would still like to return to.

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: I only went through here because my Aunt and Uncle live in Edmond just north of the city. We stopped at the OKC Murrah Building Memorial and that had to be the highlight of that trip. Nothing else to see really other than flatness, vast expanse of open space, strip malls and seedy motels.

Nuevo Laredo, Mexico: Do I really need to explain this one???  
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:28 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
NYC will always remain a wonderful place to visit, but I'd never want to live there again.

"Never" is a long time, and things change a lot in a long time.

Never is a long time. I never thought, as a native New Yorker, that I'd be able to live outside of the city. I always loved to travel but always wanted to come home. I now, however, just want to get out permanently. I'd come back to visit family and friends but that's it.

Montego Bay and Negril, Jamaica. Dirty. Had an unsafe feeling. Locals not incredibly friendly. Driving to the resort, I was hellbent on not getting out unless it looked decent. If it looked anything like the city proper, I would have turned around and waited at the airport for the next flight out. I'm not easily startled, but it wasn't great. If I'm at a resort I usually like to explore the nearby areas, but did not have any desire to leave while there.
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Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:32 am

Ho Chi Minh City and Vietnam in general.

Not just filled with people who are touts and people out to make money off tourism like most of south east asia, everyone is not just asking expensive inflated prices but actively seek to screw you out of all your money. Vietnam was completely overrated. It was not anything like as interesting or attractive as some would have you believe and the hostility towards tourists completely unsustainable. I met a number of fellow tourists while backpacking who had been treated as though they were stupid/in the wrong when the hotels/tour company/taxis/restaurants had not supplied what had been promised/agreed upon through deliberate subterfuge and/or general incompetence.

I left Vietnam early (To Cambodia), and I left annoyed with the whole country. I've never felt like that before anywhere. Was a real surprise for me. Cambodia was a stark contrast luckily so I spent my money there instead...
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:34 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 30):

You ever Been to Datong?

Nope. I am missing out?  

I know it's better in the more developed east, but I can speak from experience that the hospitals in rural Xinjiang can be a bit scary to visit, and for that reason, I don't want to go back.
 
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:49 am

Almost my entire list of cities I don't want to return to is already mentioned by other people
Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Cancun, Mexico.

Indeed, although I loved the Baja California as a whole. But Cancun sucked for the most part. We did celebrate Christmas with a local family at their home, which was quite a special experience. But besides that great evening it just felt like you're still in the US.

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
the entire country of Venezuela, most prominently Guayana City

Amen to that, I stayed in Caracas for three days because Alitalia lost my luggage. After 10 days in Venezuela we escaped to Colombia by taxi-cab. Impeccable timing as at that time (2008) Venezuela and Colombia were caught in a bitch-fight. Crossing the border in a taxi-cab and with a blond Dutch girl wasn't some of my best experiences. Colombia was a breath of fresh air though, lovely country (Taganga!!).

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 7):
Las Vegas.

After 2 days the only thing I could hear were the bells and whistles of all those slot machines.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
2. Rio de Janeiro: Dirty, polluted, dangerous, outrageously expensive and terrible trafic.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 34):
Quoting AR385 (Reply 33):
2. Rio de Janeiro: Dirty, polluted, dangerous, outrageously expensive and terrible trafic.

The photos (beach photos) I've seen are incredible. I still want to go there ver soon!

Well, to be honest, I had truly high expectations, but I will never go back. All those pretty beaches are all the same, as are the beach side bars. We had a few nice evenings but nothing special, for a city with this reputation it was a major disappointment.

But I know people who want to live there, so it's all a matter of perspective I guess.

Also a city I like to add is;

- Johannesburg: Love SA, Love Capetown, Despise Jo'burg. Too dangerous, too big, too dirty.

Quoting bohica (Reply 26):
Encenada, Mexico - Nothing but a filthy dirty shithole. The harbor there is full of rusted out junk boats. The next time I'm on a cruise that stops there, I'm staying on the ship.

Funny, I had some of the best nights in my live there
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:52 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 37):
Not just filled with people who are touts and people out to make money off tourism like most of south east asia, everyone is not just asking expensive inflated prices but actively seek to screw you out of all your money. Vietnam was completely overrated. It was not anything like as interesting or attractive as some would have you believe and the hostility towards tourists completely unsustainable. I met a number of fellow tourists while backpacking who had been treated as though they were stupid/in the wrong when the hotels/tour company/taxis/restaurants had not supplied what had been promised/agreed upon through deliberate subterfuge and/or general incompetence.

I left Vietnam early (To Cambodia), and I left annoyed with the whole country. I've never felt like that before anywhere. Was a real surprise for me. Cambodia was a stark contrast luckily so I spent my money there instead...

Seems like the place for backpackers. Many of the backpackers brag and boast about going to Vietnam as some sort of rite of passage. Yet I'm hearing stories similar to yours.
I'll be going there in a few months but for work purposes. I look forward to seeing the place for myself. Backpackers tend to hang out together in the same place. Perhaps there are parts they're just not seeing.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:57 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Many of the backpackers brag and boast about going to Vietnam as some sort of rite of passage

I decided to Backpack from SGN-BKK because I had heard much about Vietnam from people and wanted to see some of it. with the benefit of hindsight I would've stayed in Thailand,Cambodia,Laos or even had another week to explore more in the Philippines.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Backpackers tend to hang out together in the same place. Perhaps there are parts they're just not seeing.

Yes they do tend to, especially in asia. Having said that I didn't use a Lonely Planet and i didn't really bother with the tourist sites - I just walked and scootered everywhere and stopped at places that interested me.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:26 am

Coober Pedy, South Australia.

Stopped there for a night during a school trip to Central Australia back in 1991. The first thing we were told when we arrived at our motel was not to walk up to the Main Street on our own, to go in a group, because of the risk of being assualted or mugged by the local indigionous population, most of whom were permamently drunk. The main street was unsealed at the time (might still be), and the resulting dust (this was in the middle of the desert) & large amount of drunks on the street gave the town a real wild-west feel.

Some of my mates found the local bottle(alcohol) shop & they also found that the proprietor of said shop was more than willing to sell them booze & lots of it (most of us were 16 at the time). So a few of us managed to sneak more than a few bottles of bourbon & vodka (at highly inflated prices) back to where we were staying. They nearly pulled one over the teachers but one mate who downed the best part of a bottle of Smirnoff woke from his slumber & was found by the teachers staggering around, despite our attempts to get him back to bed before he was found out.... Needless to say that all the remaining booze was confiscated & was (allegedly) poured down the sink. We were all put on a very tight leash for the rest of the trip.

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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:28 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
London, UK dumpsville

Why ? its very easy to give a one word criticism, just interested to see the reason
 
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:30 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 14):
Las Vegas - the whole thing looks and feels fake

That's kind of the point. You're there to gamble. The resorts and themes are there to entice you.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:46 am

Lima, Peru. Depressing. The worst slums I´ve ever seen.
Nicosia, Cyprus. Depressing, run-down.
Almeria, Spain. A dusty, ugly architectural nightmare.
El Arenal, Spain. White trash city.

Agra, India (the "modern" city, of cause not the beautiful historical places there)
Large parts surrounding the inner city of Chicago are a nightmare (though other parts aren´t).

Quoting Severnaya (Thread starter):
3) Duisburg, it gave me a very insecure feeling when I was there.

Awful place indeed. Hot on my list of Germany worst places, too.
Add German cities Offenbach, Oberhausen, Bochum, Pforzheim and Gelsenkirchen.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 31):
Leverkusen, Germany - boring, ugly

A definite yes. That cities planners, and especially town architects were and are idiots for sure.

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 9):
Brugges, Belgium. Been there twice (not by choice) and I just can't stand the city for some reason.

Why? Brügge is a nice place. Channels, many historic houses. What can be hated there?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
I guess Guyaquil doesn't appeal to me, but there isn't much to see there, anyway.

A shithole indeed. I felt very unsafe there.

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 16):
I really HATE Los Angeles.

The place they stole a bag of dirty underwear out of my car - but left my brandnew designer leatherjacket. Enough said about this largely boring ocean of houses.
 
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:53 am

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 19):
We're already looking to go back to Missoula, but no more pit stops in Great Falls, that's for sure

MSO is great, as is BZN.

Top of my list? MEM. If I never go back, it'll be too soon. Close second: Worcester, MA., with Gallup, NM rounding out the top 3.
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:13 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 43):
Why ? its very easy to give a one word criticism, just interested to see the reason

To me it was a dump. Unpleasant, smelly, congested, cold/damp, expensive, difficult, unhelpful people, rip off, not particularly interesting and just generally unpleasant. By contrast NYC, Paris, Hong Kong & Tokyo, while having there own bad points, just did not put the bad together like London.

Not to say that there were not some thing that I liked and was interested in, but not enough to go back.

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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:35 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 47):
Not to say that there were not some thing that I liked and was interested in, but not enough to go back.

I cant follow you. London is perhaps the city in the world I visited most often (beside the German cities I go to regularly because of family, friends or business), and never regretted. Expensive, yes it is, too much so, even. But its also one of the most interesting places on earth.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 47):
not particularly interesting

I have no clue what you´re looking for if you come to that verdict.
 
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RE: Cities You Don't Want To Return To

Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
Moscow, Russia but to be fair it was 45C and visibility was less than 20m due to smoke

From Wiki: the highest temperature ever recorded was 38.2 °C (100.8 °F) on July 29, 2010
Visibility: August 2010 wildfires in the East of the Moscow region perhaps ?
Moscow airports were unaffected and while the city center was not CAVOK, all pictures I have seen showed at least 400m.
Volunteer firefighter perhaps ?



Quoting travelavnut (Reply 39):
- Johannesburg: Love SA, Love Capetown, Despise Jo'burg. Too dangerous, too big, too dirty.

Not clean for sure but certainly not at the bottom of African dumps; big: very wide indeed; dangerous: without doubt the most unsafe city I have walked my carcass so far.

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