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Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:46 pm

This time in Saudi Arabia. The Mile Tower which is, you'll never guess, a mile high. Wonder what the penthouse suite will be for?

Anyway, our friends in SA seem to have money to burn on rather extravagant ventures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...mily-plans-mile-high-building.html

Helpful stats are that it'll take 12 minutes to get to the top by lift and it's twice the height of the Burj in Dubai.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting oly720man (Thread starter):

Soon we can walk up to the moon... Where does this all ends? They money is in need at other places and not in a weird high building...

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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:50 pm

WOAH. The Burj looks so tiny! Well, if they do build it and finish it, it's gonna be a great sight and it'd be neat if they add an observation deck.

BTW isn't it a hazard to A/C? Or No?
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:51 pm

Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 2):
BTW isn't it a hazard to A/C? Or No?

THe minimum altitudes around that building will be higher for sure. In DXB they are higher already because of that weird high building.

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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:34 pm

The (lack of) efficiency of these structures is simply ridiculous in my view. The Burj's design cleverly compensated for this very elegantly, but a predominantly phallic elevation wastes most of the space on the lower floors simply getting services and people to the upper floors. It's going to present some interesting challenges, not least how to pump concrete a mile up into the air, and how the local geology is going to react to the loaded weight of the structure. As an estimate I'd say this will weigh almost four million tonnes, based on a quick visual assessment of how much bigger it is than the Burj and presuming a similar floor density. So far as I know, that much weight has never been focussed in one spot before, distributing it could be interesting if the sediment layer on top of the bedrock (Gneiss, I think for the Arabian shield?) is very deep.


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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:05 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
So far as I know, that much weight has never been focussed in one spot before

How will the building itself cope? That's a hell of a lot of weight to be supporting.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:12 pm

Imagine if they spent that money feeding the hungry, or caring for the sick and disabled of the world.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:17 pm

Not to doubt anyone's abilities, but is that even possible? I mean it is not just a bit bigger, this is a massive leap!
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:01 am

Are they trying to compensate for something?   

  
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:48 am

The article says that you will reach the top by escalator in 12 minutes. Surely not...

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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:51 am

I'd hate to be pessimistic but this is pretty bad timing from a royal family under political siege from the local populace.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:18 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
Imagine if they spent that money feeding the hungry, or caring for the sick and disabled of the world.

   This is pretty much the textbook definition of a boondoggle. Massive engineering requirements on top of the massive cost means massive cost overruns, and all for a little chest-thumping.

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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:13 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
It's going to present some interesting challenges, not least how to pump concrete a mile up into the air,

And what materials can withstand the pressures of the overlying structure down in the basement without liquifying?

I'm starting to envision such Sci-Fi goodies as artificial diamond and nanotubes.

Does anyone know what materials will need to be used? I can't imagine old-fashioned concrete and steel are up to the task.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 8):
Are they trying to compensate for something?

Yes.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:13 am

Another folly by Prince al Walid bin Talal the man who owns his Flying Palace private A380.

I hope this new tower will never get built. More slave labour. I can't imagine these poor slave labourers paid a penny a dozen working in the blaring Saudi heat the same they did building the Burj Khalifa. How can they do this to people?

The Saudi Prince owns the Fairmont MonteCarlo (former Loews) the only place in Monaco with a mosque (totally private for the sole use of the Prince and his people). bin Talal has his own quarters at the Fairmont. He owns some of the world's most beautiful hotels among which the George V in Paris managed by Four Seasons Hotels.

              
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:23 am

This bit of information is most interesting:

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Skyscraper specialists Emaar, which built the Burj, are understood to have won the contract to construct the Kingdom Tower, which will be built outside the Red Sea port city of Jeddah as the centre piece of a new 80,000 population city.

So it will be built outside Jeddah, with plenty of available space? I was always taught to build high buildings when you're short on available land lots. 1600m high buildings are nice for tourists to have a look at, but they don't serve any other purposes at places where availability of land is not an issue. A total waste of money.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:43 am

Looking on Google Earth (and with the insert being the image from the blurb in the Mail link) it seems that it's going to be just over 2.5 miles west of the airport. Assuming it's the same bulge of land with a river next to it

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/oly720man/jeddatower.jpg


Also, that location is about 50 miles from Mecca. I wonder if you'll be able to see the Mosque from the top of the tower on a clear day.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:58 am

How many workers will die while from beginning of construction to the end? I bet many.

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/11/1...e-workers-abused-construction-boom

Only we will never be told. How they treat these workers and such low wages are shameful. Human exploitation at its best.

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“I work at the Burj Dubai site. I earn 38 AED [$10.50] for eight hours of work daily. My pay is higher than workers who arrived recently because I have been with the company for 11 years. New workers are paid 28 AED [$7.60] daily and they are unhappy about it.”

http://kasamaproject.org/2010/01/05/...dden-stories-of-capitalisms-tower/

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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:18 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):


Imagine if they spent that money feeding the hungry, or caring for the sick and disabled of the world.

Or built a really tall building? How is this related?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

I'm starting to envision such Sci-Fi goodies as artificial diamond and nanotubes.

AFAIK, those aren't SciFi any more. Just expensive. I know industrial diamonds have been around for quite a while. . .

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 13):

I hope this new tower will never get built. More slave labour. I can't imagine these poor slave labourers paid a penny a dozen working in the blaring Saudi heat the same they did building the Burj Khalifa. How can they do this to people?

Yeah, there's no way the labor is going to be paid fairly. This is, after all, the "kingdom" of saudi arabia, and in so being, we will also likely never know what the real human toll will be. Of course, it will be apologized for with the typical "They're not slaves, they had a choice" bs, no doubt. As though. . .
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:28 am

Reminds me of a Story in the Bible  
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:47 am

Quoting oly720man (Reply 5):
How will the building itself cope? That's a hell of a lot of weight to be supporting.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
And what materials can withstand the pressures of the overlying structure down in the basement without liquifying?

It's possible, but it comes back to my point about the lower floors being essentially useless. To simplify the problem; say the Burj has 1m diameter supporting columns at 6m intervals, this new structure may require them to be at 3m intervals to distribute the weight, so you immediately loose a large percentage and usability of the tower's footprint on the lower floors just to hold the weight of upper floors, and that is before consideration for services, lifts, stairs etc... Depending on the mix and quality of materials concrete can have an insane compressive strength, up to the100MPa range for construction, but the increased curing time of some types can make it unfeasible. Going much above this and you'll start to exceed the compressive strength of the rock you are building on anyway, which I think could be limiting factor here.


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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:03 am

If access to Saudi Arabia is as restricted as it is now, only a limited number will be able to see this building when finished. I will not be admitted into Saudi Arabia as a single woman. I doubt this will change. The only way would be to see it from the air while flying over.
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RE: Another World's Tallest Building

Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:36 pm

Quoting Greaser (Reply 10):
I'd hate to be pessimistic but this is pretty bad timing from a royal family under political siege from the local populace

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. I guess they feel invincible.
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