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Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:15 pm

And now another whopper to add to the long list of lies and hypocrisy from Obama and his staff.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-regret...vote-against-raising-debt-ceiling/

Obama now regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President. Imagine that.

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Obama in 2006

The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...nce-opposed-lifting-debt-ceiling/1

Looks like we have a continuing failure in leadership.

So Obama has changed his mind on GITMO, Military tribunals, The President can act to go to war without congress, The Patriot act and do not forget he is for deficit reduction while asking for a 1.6 trillion debt budget. Do not forget his transparency pledge along with his attacks on special interest while protecting his own special interests the unions. There was also the meeting with rogue leaders instead of bombing them but as we see with Libya that was also a little mistake on his part. The regrets and lies just keep piling up with this administration. At the verry least he could do is admit that maybe Bush was right on some of these subjects.

We need a balanced budget next year as the price to pay for the limit going up. But I realise tha the tanned crying man Boehner does not have a set and will bucklee and cave on this issue to. Maybe he can go down the hall to Representaive Bachman's office and borrow hers.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:22 pm

You are right.. he shouldn't be regretting as the circumstances in 2006 were very different as they are now.

Wait.. in 2006 (under Bush) we had a debt problem? Really? No!! I though it was all rainbows and roses back then.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:30 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
You are right.. he shouldn't be regretting as the circumstances in 2006 were very different as they are now.

Wait.. in 2006 (under Bush) we had a debt problem? Really? No!! I though it was all rainbows and roses back then.




So you are going to protect him and his much larger debt with the old Bush did it also line? You are right though in the circumstances being different in that Bush was president then and he is not now. Otherwise everthing is the same. And that Obama/Reid/Pelosi debt will make the Bush debt look laughable by the time they are done.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:30 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):

Since you appear to think this is a game of partisan politics, let me state this:

Bush and the republicans majorly screwed things up in several ways, one of which was national debt. Full stop. Period.

Is that clear?

Good.

Now, just because they screwed things up does not give Obama license to make things worse. Same will go with whoever is in office next.

There. Now don't go telling everybody that "the other side" only blames Obama. Windy even criticized Republicans as well. Can you stop playing the BS games now, and act like an adult?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
long list of lies and hypocrisy from Obama and his staff.

Not familiar with American politics? There are 100 senators, 435 representatives, 50 governors, and countless other politicians who have a laundry list of lies longer than my...well, it's long.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:31 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 4):
Bush and the republicans majorly screwed things up in several ways, one of which was national debt. Full stop. Period.

Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?

but...

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
circumstances in 2006 were very different as they are now.

Got ya  

I believe ALTF4 is in the same boat as a lot of us, I mean I was only 10 when Bush was elected, 13 when Iraq happened, etc, so I didn't really know any better, but I blindly supported all that. Looking back... yeah... my views have changed. But I agree, this thread is gonna get very ugly   
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:14 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):

Obama now regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President. Imagine that.

So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

When was the last time you did that?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:15 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Obama now regrets his 2006 vote against raising the debt ceiling when Bush was President. Imagine that.

I wasn't at a.net back then, but I have to wonder if you were as critical of Bush as you are with Obama.

By the looks of it, had he not voted to increase the debt ceiling, this thread would be: Obama lied because he wanted cuts and the argument would have been that since he did not want the debt ceiling to be raised, then it means he was in favor of cuts. Then you would have cried wolf and said that Obama is against everyone.

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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:45 pm

The best part is you could take his exact 2006 comments and use them word for word today.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. ... Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem."
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:01 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
We need a balanced budget next year as the price to pay for the limit going up

Impossible to do without plunging the economy into a depression that's why even the Republican's won't try it. Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget because the only way to do so is to make cuts so severe that the economy is PERMANENTLY crippled.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:14 pm

Obama should be regretting what he is doing now. He is endangering all liberal causes, and threatening the existence of the US government itself. The recent "recession" is a pale second to what might happen if Obama's policies continue. And I say this as a Democrat. Just because I am pro choice doesn't mean I want the US govt to collapse under debt, which was never necessary to accrue in the first place. We are the last people to need debt. This country is the world's richest. It is like Bill Gates running out of money. I would call that "an epic, epic spending problem." And so it is with Obama. He doesn't have a clue because he has focused on law for his career, which does not inform him on these issues.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:20 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 11):
Impossible to do without plunging the economy into a depression that's why even the Republican's won't try it. Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget because the only way to do so is to make cuts so severe that the economy is PERMANENTLY crippled.

The economy is permanently crippled now my interest payments and debt. Right now interest payments are almost $1000 per person each year. And it could go up sharply.

The notion that the government should pay people to dig holes and refill them (or better yet, to sit at home) has never been proved. Most economists consider that story to be very outdated.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:13 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?

For a 16 year old back then, I was a lot more vocal and up-to-snuff on politics than the vast majority of my peers. I was still, however, a 16 year old.

And now I'm a 21 year old 'admitting' that the party I support messed up in some places. Its the right thing to do, the only thing to do, and the better thing to do than what a majority of the people on this forum do - blame the other side and ignore their side's issues.

That does not eradicate the problems that Obama has brought on us though. So, I'm still 'blaming the other side', but I'm not ignoring the faults on 'my' side of the fence.  
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
I believe ALTF4 is in the same boat as a lot of us, I mean I was only 10 when Bush was elected, 13 when Iraq happened, etc, so I didn't really know any better, but I blindly supported all that. Looking back... yeah... my views have changed. But I agree, this thread is gonna get very ugly

Bingo!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

When was the last time you did that?

I wonder how many times people have to say critical things of their own party before some members of this forum see it? Selective reading is a blessing, isn't it, Doc?

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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:22 pm

So many regretable votes, so few politicians willing to admit they are ever wrong--I give credit to any politician with the chutzpah to admit a mistake.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
We need a balanced budget next year as the price to pay for the limit going up.

This is 100% laughable. The economy as we know it would completely collapse. Not to mention how many folks would wind up out of a job. It is a good goal going forward, but to cut 35-40% of the current spending or raise taxes collected by over 50% in one year, or any mix in between is not realistic for next year.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 13):
The economy is permanently crippled now my interest payments and debt. Right now interest payments are almost $1000 per person each year. And it could go up sharply.

It will go up sharply, but the nice thing about a long term plan, is that you make it a smoother hill to go over. You don't just wake up one day realizing you are 100 Lb's over weight and just get it all sawed off that afternoon. It takes time and a change in habits to accomplish it. The same with the national debt.

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like we have a continuing failure in leadership.

I don't see any of this a falure of leadership . I see it as a smart man that has learned the game of brinkmanship in the congress. This game has been going on for far too long. Congress continues to approve and overspend, and the President no matter what party, has to let them or encourage them to raise the debt ceiling so the economy stays on track.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:48 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
The notion that the government should pay people to dig holes and refill them (or better yet, to sit at home) has never been proved.

You are correct, it hasn't been proven. However, given technological innovation and significant outsourcing pressures, the bottomline is that there just aren't going to be enough decent private sector jobs to go around.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
his country is the world's richest. It is like Bill Gates running out of money.

Except that most of that wealth is controlled by only a tiny part of the population. The nature of our wealth distribution is indeed a part of why we have these deficits. Most people make so little that there's almost nothing to tax, instead the government credits some of them to try and prevent their destitution from dragging everyone else down. The primary reason we have programs like SS and Medicare/Medicaid is simply because while we are a very wealthy nation, much of our population lives on the edge of poverty and needs these programs for long-term survival.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:52 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like we have a continuing failure in leadership.

Though, I really don't think Obama is a leader, this isn't a failure of leadership. This, along with his other apparent back steps, is a realization, on his part, that the job of the Presidency is hard. And, that decisions have to be made outside the vacuum of politics and political opinion.

Maybe he's growing up. In a decade or so, Obama may be ready to be President...oh...wait....

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 3):
Bush and the republicans majorly screwed things up in several ways, one of which was national debt. Full stop. Period.

Pray tell, and cite, the deficits (in the annual budget and in the aggregate) during the Bush years and during the first 2 years of Obama. Oh, and please include the years that Congress was run by Democrats. I know what you will find...do you?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:46 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):

The notion that the government should pay people to dig holes and refill them (or better yet, to sit at home) has never been proved. Most economists consider that story to be very outdated.

How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

Mistake? It is one of the very few things I could agree with him on. We need to cut spending, not raise the debt limit.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
Impossible to do without plunging the economy into a depression that's why even the Republican's won't try it. Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget because the only way to do so is to make cuts so severe that the economy is PERMANENTLY crippled.

That is incorrect. His plan does balance the budget but far more slowly than it should.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-trillion-of-cuts-over-decade.html

The Republicans’ first comprehensive budget plan since the November elections would cut the deficit next year to $995 billion from about $1.4 trillion now, though it wouldn’t balance the government’s books until 2040.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
The nature of our wealth distribution is indeed a part of why we have these deficits.

That is also a negative. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?
Supposed to provide them with? Where in the Constitution does it say that? The Transcontinental railroad was not built with taxes, it was built with bond money. Same with a lot of major bridge and road projects. Airports are almost always built with bonds or specifically dedicated taxes, not income taxes. Space ships are built by the government, the last nuclear reactors built in this country were built by the power companies, not the government.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:53 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?

The government is not supposed to build these things just to create jobs. The government is supposed to facilitate building these things when there is a need for them.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:17 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 19):

Mistake? It is one of the very few things I could agree with him on. We need to cut spending, not raise the debt limit.

You want the country to default on loans? Do you realize that could mean the end of the U.S.? That's what you want? See that flag next to your name? Might be obsolete, like the Hammer and Sickle of the USSR.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 20):

The government is not supposed to build these things just to create jobs. The government is supposed to facilitate building these things when there is a need for them.

Um... there's a need for them. And they happen to create jobs. Win-win.

Quoting dxing (Reply 19):
Supposed to provide them with? Where in the Constitution does it say that?

The Preamble. "Promote the General Welfare."
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:30 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
How about paying people to build roads, rail, spaceships, nuclear reactors, runways, and other basic infrastructure that government is supposed to provide but isn't currently doing?

Doesn't bother me... That's actually all cheap stuff. Recently we created a lot of unfunded transfers of wealth. I am not a neocon. Please bear with me. But a lot of govt programs right now are "vote getter" benefits without a defined source of funding. It's all "benefits for seniors" or "unemployed" or "wounded warriors." The government cannot afford even necessities in light of this. Many taxpayers expect to benefit far more than they ever paid in. (Including me possibly). Also, perniciously, many corporations have similar hopes. Deficit spending continues to be "popular," again based on the illusion, I believe, that it creates money. It does not create money. It just steals from our kids.

In the past, the US went into debt then had a glorious industrial revolution 1950-2000 that brought tremendous growth, and with it, our fiscal situation was ok. Now mature, we can't expect to get that magical dividend again. But Krugman et al still claim so.

About this thread issue, I am scared that Obama is issuing too much debt, just because debt is popular, kind of like crack.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:32 am

I'm sure many American voters have truly come to regret their 2008 votes, as well (If you catch my drift).
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:07 am

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 23):
I'm sure many American voters have truly come to regret their 2008 votes, as well (If you catch my drift).

Oh, because McCain would have handled this better? He'd have had a heart attack and then we'd have President Palin. Youbetcha.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:58 am

The thing I have never understood about politics is the U-turn phobia. In any other area it is considered the mark of a wise person to change their opinion based on changing evidence. In fact, this is pretty much the foundation of the concept of reasoned debate. Yet in politics, if a person changes their opinion or policies (or in this case acknowledges an error as they now see it) based on an overwhelming shift in evidential consensus, he is considered a spineless flip-flopper and lambasted for it. For me however it makes them look stronger and more level headed.

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 23):
I'm sure many American voters have truly come to regret their 2008 votes, as well (If you catch my drift).

An interesting effect of the modern life we live is the vast number of choices we have adversely affecting happiness. Maybe I should have had that other sandwich? That might have been much better...

Same goes for elections. A government can get into power and make unpopular decisions (and most do and pretty much all are unpopular as long in office as Obama has been), and we always have this niggling feeling that if only we had voted for option B things would always be rosy. Odds are though that different unpopular decisions would have been made and we would still be in the situation pondering why the hell we didn't vote option A.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:44 am

Quoting GST (Reply 25):
Same goes for elections. A government can get into power and make unpopular decisions (and most do and pretty much all are unpopular as long in office as Obama has been), and we always have this niggling feeling that if only we had voted for option B things would always be rosy. Odds are though that different unpopular decisions would have been made and we would still be in the situation pondering why the hell we didn't vote option A.

  

There's always gonna be some discontent. Right now, the Iraq War will be drawn to a close. Had McCain won the presidency, would Iraq be closing? So if the GOP managed to take both the White House and Congress, would cuts really be the issue today?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:51 am

Quoting dxing (Reply 19):
The Republicans’ first comprehensive budget plan since the November elections would cut the deficit next year to $995 billion from about $1.4 trillion now, though it wouldn’t balance the government’s books until 2040.

If it doesn't balance the budget in the next 10 years, then it doesn't balance the budget. Project out to 2040 is a total joke!! And keep in mind, Ryan relies on all kinds of crazy assumptions (like an impossible 2.8% unemployment rate) to get to those numbers.

Quoting dxing (Reply 19):
That is also a negative. We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

No, we have a revenue problem too. Gov't revenue as a % of GDP is at nearly a 70 year low. I don't deny that spending is a problem too, but current government revenues are inadequate. This is why even the Republicans can't develop a balanced budget even with significant cuts. You'll notice that the last time the government had a balanced (late 90's), government revenues were far more robust relative to GDP.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 26):
So if the GOP managed to take both the White House and Congress, would cuts really be the issue today?

No, we'd have far greater problems. McCain as president would have launched WW3 with Iran causing oil prices to skyrocket and plunging our economy into a depression.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:27 pm

Hoyer joins Obama in calling past vote on debt ceiling 'a mistake'


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House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer has joined President Obama in conceding that he blundered by voting against an increase to the government’s debt ceiling.

“I have voted against the debt limit in the past. That was a mistake,” Hoyer (Md.), the second-ranking House Democrat, said in an unprompted admission to reporters on Tuesday.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/15...ast-vote-on-debt-ceiling-a-mistake

Seems that the Dems whole anti-Bush agenda was just a mistake.  
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:28 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
You are correct, it hasn't been proven. However, given technological innovation and significant outsourcing pressures, the bottomline is that there just aren't going to be enough decent private sector jobs to go around.

Says who? Where do you have any data supporting this idea that the private sector is unable to provide enough jobs? Let's remember that even public sector jobs are all paid for by the private sector through taxes.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Quoting dxing (Reply 19):
Supposed to provide them with? Where in the Constitution does it say that?

The Preamble. "Promote the General Welfare."

Promote: –verb (used with object), -mot·ed, -mot·ing.
1. to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further: to promote world peace.
2. to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. ( opposed to demote).
3. Education . to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
4. to aid in organizing (business undertakings).
5. to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), especially through advertising or other publicity.

I see nothing in their about PROVIDING for the General Welfare. PROMOTE does not equal PROVIDE.

Quoting GST (Reply 25):
Yet in politics, if a person changes their opinion or policies (or in this case acknowledges an error as they now see it) based on an overwhelming shift in evidential consensus, he is considered a spineless flip-flopper and lambasted for it. For me however it makes them look stronger and more level headed.

Obama got all his tits a-flutter about raising the debt ceiling in 2006 when the deficit was about 10% of what it is today, and the debt far smaller. His behavior has nothing to do with what is right and wrong (I really don't think he cares either way) - it is pure, unadulterated partisanship on his part. Debt is just dandy when he does it (at a scale dwarfing all previous records), but the slightest deficit even of 1% of GDP is unacceptable if the GOP does it.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
If it doesn't balance the budget in the next 10 years, then it doesn't balance the budget. Project out to 2040 is a total joke!! And keep in mind, Ryan relies on all kinds of crazy assumptions (like an impossible 2.8% unemployment rate) to get to those numbers.

Paul Ryan’s proposed 2012 budget forthrightly addresses health spending but doesn’t make any cuts in Social Security. Ryan’s plan would ultimately gut defense and some valuable domestic programs; it wouldn’t reach balance until about 2040. Compared with Democrats, however, Ryan is a model of intellectual rigor and political courage.
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 29):
Where do you have any data supporting this idea that the private sector is unable to provide enough jobs?

Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?? Have you see the wage data for the average worker over the past decade? If you strip out deficit spending and temporary credit bubbles, the private sector simply has been unable to produce enough decent jobs.

As mentioned before, this is largely due to technological advances and outsourcing pressures that neither party knows how to really address. Sprinkle in a little corporate greed (see how CEO pay has risen in the last decade) and you end up where we are now.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 29):
Compared with Democrats, however, Ryan is a model of intellectual rigor and political courage.

Hardly. Ryan's plan is riddled with impossible to achieve assumptions that are totally laughable. His plans are no different than Democratic plans.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 29):
Ryan’s plan would ultimately gut defense

Ryan's plan does almost nothing to defense spending. Minor cuts but little else.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:34 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
So he was man enough to admit a mistake.

Mistakes..Plural. How many will you continue to give him?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
When was the last time you did that?

Last night to my son..

Quoting mt99 (Reply 5):
Great - and where you as vocal in 2006 as you are now?

Yes. I disagreed with all of the deficit spending of Bush. I had always been critical of his lack of the veto.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):
I wasn't at a.net back then, but I have to wonder if you were as critical of Bush as you are with Obama.

I totally disagreed with Bush on his spending and deficits. Especially the Prescription drug deal.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget

Which is why it is a joke. It still allows the Federal Government to continue to grow.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 14):
--I give credit to any politician with the chutzpah to admit a mistake.

Mistakes....Plural..How many will you continue to give him?

Quoting casinterest (Reply 15):
The economy as we know it would completely collapse.

So you admit it is artificially inflated now just like the way the real estate market was. Let it hit bottom where it belongs.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 15):
. I see it as a smart man that has learned the game of brinkmanship in the congress. This game has been going on for far too long

Nice excuse for all of his flip flops. You see on this point if he stood by his 2006 position I would be the first to start a thread to congradulate him. And this is not just him but his whole party who is flip flopping on these positions. The only reason behind them is that they are in power now and Bush is not. Total hypocrisy for which there is no excuse

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
You want the country to default on loans? Do you realize that could mean the end of the U.S.? That's what you want?

If it means the end of deficit spending the yes I do.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
The Preamble. "Promote the General Welfare."

LOL...Promote not provide at someone elses expense. It is the preamble not an enumerated power to provide spending on.

Quoting GST (Reply 25):
The thing I have never understood about politics is the U-turn phobia. In any other area it is considered the mark of a wise person to change their opinion based on changing evidence. In fact, this is pretty much the foundation of the concept of reasoned debate. Yet in politics, if a person changes their opinion or policies

Once again it is many positions that he and his party have changed their mind's on once Bush was gone. Hypocrisy at is finest. And it is really funny watching all of these excuses being posted. Just like with his previous position on the constitution not allowing the President to go to war without the consent of congress if he had stuck to those positions instead of changing them for political points I would of cheered his sticking to his original points. Making excuses for his duplicity now is disengoenous at the very least.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 26):
Had McCain won the presidency, would Iraq be closing?

Yes since the closing was negotiated by Bush before he left office. Obama has just been a caretaker of the plan.
 
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 30):
Have you seen the unemployment rate lately?? Have you see the wage data for the average worker over the past decade? If you strip out deficit spending and temporary credit bubbles, the private sector simply has been unable to produce enough decent jobs.

Have you considered the possibility that the private sector has been stifled by the deficit spending and the credit bubbles WHICH WERE CAUSED BY THE GOVERNMENT, by the way? Sure, the market waxes and wanes, but it's generally pretty efficient. The purpose of government is to ensure that there is no abuse (such as unsafe working conditions and work-related disability protections). Government is by nature inefficient and a burden, but necessary for certain things.

Government is like G&A expenditures on a company's P&L. You need it, but when times get tough you do NOT chose to bump up your G&A expenditure, do you?
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RE: Obama ‘Regrets’ 2006 Vote

Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:10 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
You want the country to default on loans?

No, and it wouldn't if significant cuts were made to offset what we owe in interest and loans. A dedicated tax to pay off the debt might be in order, but the bill would have to be written to end the tax as soon as the debt were retired and to make it strictly off limits for any other purpose, unlike social security taxes today.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
The Preamble. "Promote the General Welfare."

Does not say "Pay for the general welfare".

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
If it doesn't balance the budget in the next 10 years, then it doesn't balance the budget.

You said never.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 10):
Keep in mind even Paul Ryan's budget plan NEVER balances the budget

You were wrong.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
Project out to 2040 is a total joke!!

Agreed, even projecting out 10-20 years is a joke yet that is exactly what we get out of our President regarding supposed health care savings.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
And keep in mind, Ryan relies on all kinds of crazy assumptions (like an impossible 2.8% unemployment rate) to get to those numbers.

It doesn't rely on a 2.8% unemployment figure to "get to those numbers" it says that if we follow the plan that number is achievable because of the savings. I don't agree with 2.8% any more than I thought keeping unemployment below 8% was going to happen with the stimulus bill. That does not change the savings that will occur using Rep Ryans budget.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
No, we have a revenue problem too. Gov't revenue as a % of GDP is at nearly a 70 year low.

Not surprising considering we are in a recovery after a recession.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 27):
You'll notice that the last time the government had a balanced (late 90's), government revenues were far more robust relative to GDP.

Not surprising considering the economy was at the tail end of a long boom period at that point.

Both are reasons to get the government spending down so that swings in revenue don't create the need for huge deficits. I don't spend all of my paycheck, I put some away. The government should operate in the same fashion although any unused revenue should be returned to the taxpayers immediately.
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