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London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:31 pm

So, my mom submitted our application for our tickets to the 2012 London Olympics, if it gets approved, we're off to Europe. (BTW What are the chances of us getting the tickets [opening ceremony] )

Of course, if we go to London, we might as well head to Paris. I did my research and it seems that flying is cheaper than taking EuroStar (any more suggestions other than Eurostar?)

I want to experience Intra-European railway travel but I also want to fly out of LCY. So which one is the better choice?

We're also heading to Sweden to visit my mom's sister who's going to take us to Norway and Denmark though Italy might be an option after Paris, is it worth it? We'd like to visit Rome and Venice, Rome first then Venice. EasyJet also provides service between Rome and Venice and they're usually really cheap though I'm assuming traveling between Rome and Venice by rail is very scenic? Is it worth the extra dollar to take the train or is it just a long and boring train ride?

Our port of entry would be LHR (Departing from JFK) Of course, no flights are available as of the moment, will airlines raise their prices simply because it's going to be the Olympics? What is the case of PEK during the 2008 one? BTW Icelandair offers good one way tickets from Europe-US with a free stop-over, so Iceland might be another detour for a day or two.

Do you know any good hotels in London or Paris that are close to the action? Any "un-touristy" areas worth visiting?

Any suggestions and comments are appreciated!

  



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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:39 pm

Well first of all, you could stay in Rome for more than one month and still would barely scratch the surface of that city. It is so much history in it.

Of course, italy is worth a visit. Venice is very touristic, but its a classic.

I am not a friend of "Europe in 5 days", but since youre only in Europe for some days, I understand that you want to see many spots. So your idea of planning early is a good one.

London-Paris on Eurostar is a cool experience, so you might take the train (if taking a 50km tunnel under the sea is something you like. I must admit I find that a rather unpleaseant idea, I would fly anyday).

Norway and Denmark are very expensive, but nice places nevertheless. In fact you could stay in virtually any European country for months, since all have their very distinctive history.

But I would clearly recommend Italy. Great food, great weather, so much history.
 
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:49 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
I am not a friend of "Europe in 5 days", but since youre only in Europe for some days, I understand that you want to see many spots. So your idea of planning early is a good one.

We have half of July and the whole month of August  

Though lodging will be a problem in Italy since my mom has no contacts, we're probably staying in Scandinavia for a whole month (or 3 weeks) since we'll be staying at my aunt's place. And yes, we do want to see as many tourist spots as possible and take a lot of pictures, my family's not a fan of "enjoying the culture" kinda thing. Thanks for the tip.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
Norway and Denmark are very expensive, but nice places nevertheless. In fact you could stay in virtually any European country for months, since all have their very distinctive history.

I understand, that's not an issue though. My mom's sister is coming here in New York for the summer and we're basically paying everything for her, so the summer after this one, it's her turn to return the favor  

Thanks for the fast reply and tips!

 
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:50 pm

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I did my research and it seems that flying is cheaper than taking EuroStar (any more suggestions other than Eurostar?)

If you book in advance, Eurostar tickets are £39 one way, £59 return. You may get a flight on Easyjet for that, but don't forget the train to the airport (£10.70 each to Luton and EUR8.10 - though in both cases, cheaper and slower busses are available).

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I want to experience Intra-European railway travel but I also want to fly out of LCY.

Try one way in each, tran / plane?

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I'm assuming traveling between Rome and Venice by rail is very scenic?

It's fairly scenic towards the Rome end, but that part of northern Italy round Venice is quite flat.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
Is it worth the extra dollar to take the train or is it just a long and boring train ride?

Just to confuse you, the high-speed trains in Italy are also called Eurostar, might be worth it on a short leg, but quite pricy on longer legs - probably better to try the Intercity trains.

Browse around this website, full of train information: http://www.seat61.com/

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
will airlines raise their prices simply because it's going to be the Olympics?

For sure. You might get a much better deal booking flights from the US to Rome, Paris or Sweden, and heading round Europe from there.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
TW Icelandair offers good one way tickets from Europe-US with a free stop-over, so Iceland might be another detour for a day or two.

I saw the ads in the NY Subway, would be very tempting, I'd certainly think about it - a lot depends on your total time you have available anddo you want to eat into that before even getting to mainland Europe / UK.

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
Do you know any good hotels in London or Paris that are close to the action?

Only my brother in law's place   Seriously, during the Olympics, book early. For Paris, check out the accorhotels website, just avoid the Formule1 brand if you want ensuite!

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
Any areas "un-touristy" areas worth visiting?



Plenty, but also, plenty of dirtholes. The Brick Lane area for the sunday markets, and South Asian cuisine, for one. I also like the area around Kew, near the botanical gardens.

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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:59 am

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
Try one way in each, tran / plane?

We're only doing one-way, so it's either EuroStar or some airline, though I'd prefer the first one for the unique experience.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
For sure. You might get a much better deal booking flights from the US to Rome, Paris or Sweden, and heading round Europe from there.

Well I guess CDG or FCO as our port of entry would be a good idea.

Quoting signol (Reply 3):
I saw the ads in the NY Subway, would be very tempting, I'd certainly think about it - a lot depends on your total time you have available anddo you want to eat into that before even getting to mainland Europe / UK.

Yep, I saw them too. It looks pretty amazing!


Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it!

  
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:51 am

LCY flights are more expensive than other London area flights, so Eurostar should be plenty cheaper. I'm more of a plane guy myself (hence my presence here) but I took Eurostar a couple of times and it's very practical, and an interesting way of crossing the channel (I also crossed by boat many times).

About trains in Italy I'm only familiar with the Palatino from Paris to Firenze (it also goes to Rome, hence the name of a roman hill, but my family is in Tuscany), it takes a whole night in a small bunk traveling with strangers and dying because of the heat, avoid it at all cost. I'd like to try the tilting train however. In Rome, well you have all the historic center and the Vatican to visit, you can also try the catacombs when you want some fresh air, Italy in the summer is hot !
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:50 am

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I'm assuming traveling between Rome and Venice by rail is very scenic? Is it worth the extra dollar to take the train or is it just a long and boring train ride?

A very, very subject question. IMHO the train ride Rome-Venice is well worth it. The northern third beyond Bologna, is flat, but not boring, there is still a lot to look at.

One tip: DO NOT stay on the mainland, stay in the city or Lido (from where you can reach the main island easily) if you have too. Once the crowd of day trippers goes home it is a different and more interesting city.

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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:23 am

Between Rome and Venice I'd look into flights. I recall last summer seeing one way flights as cheap as $35. That's much cheaper than the train. But then again, I have something personal against Trenitalia and I will do whatever I can to never travel on them again.
 
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:53 am

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I want to experience Intra-European railway travel but I also want to fly out of LCY. So which one is the better choice?

Take the Eurostar. Try the high speed train experience, which I guess is something you don't have in the US (or at least not the way we call it ). It's a lot more comfortable than the plane ane will get you from city center to city center in 2.40 hours.
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:13 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
Take the Eurostar. Try the high speed train experience, which I guess is something you don't have in the US (or at least not the way we call it&nbsp Wink. It's a lot more comfortable than the plane ane will get you from city center to city center in 2.40 hours.

Direct services now run at 2:15 hrs!  
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:28 pm

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I did my research and it seems that flying is cheaper than taking EuroStar (any more suggestions other than Eurostar?)

Did you factor in ALL costs, i.e. the cost and time (since you don't have much to begin with) of getting between city centers and airports versus the city center to city center advantage of Eurostar?

If you are going central London to central Paris, the train wins, every time. I have flown between the two but would never do so again...simply not worth it.
 
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:30 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 9):

Direct services now run at 2:15 hrs

Ah sorry, last time I took it, it was 2.40  
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RE: London To Paris, Rome To Venice: By Air Or Rail?

Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:56 pm

If you wanted to fly out of LCY, CityJet use the F50 to ORY.

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