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How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Mon May 02, 2011 11:43 pm

Did anyone notice on FOX news they are spelling Bin Landen's first name with a "U" (Usama)? Are they right and his name is spelled with a U? Maybe they are trying to be different? All these years everyone spelled his name with a "O" (Osama).
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Mon May 02, 2011 11:48 pm

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Did anyone notice on FOX news they are spelling Bin Landen's first name with a "U" (Usama)? Are they right and his name is spelled with a U?

That's how he's listed on the FBI website.

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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Mon May 02, 2011 11:51 pm

It's probably down to a different interpretation of the translation of the arab spelling to roman letters. The same goes for his last name, I've seen it spelled bin Laden & bin Ladin.
 
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Mon May 02, 2011 11:57 pm

I've seen someone snarkily comment that it's because it's harder to confuse Usama with Obama. Saves the newscasters the embarrassment of misreading it.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:01 am

I read somewhere that there are north of 100 accepted English spellings of Moammar Qaddafi.

I'd assume this is related.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:04 am

I also noticed that, I even took a picture and posted it on facebook until one of my friends explained it to me. Well I think FOX should have used "Osama" to avoid confusion.
It's a cultural thing.
 
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:05 am

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Did anyone notice on FOX news they are spelling Bin Landen's first name with a "U" (Usama)?

They've always done that.

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Maybe they are trying to be different?

Probably. Not that there's anything with that.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
It's probably down to a different interpretation of the translation of the arab spelling to roman letters. The same goes for his last name, I've seen it spelled bin Laden & bin Ladin.

Exactly. The funny thing is, the "U" sound is closer to the Arabic pronunciation than the "O" is. The same thing happens with Mohammed, which can also be spelled Muhammad or Mohammad.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:16 am

The correct spelling is in Arabic. There are multiple English spellings, of which both Osama and Usama are accepted.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:27 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
I read somewhere that there are north of 100 accepted English spellings of Moammar Qaddafi.

Ha, my parents had the New York Times and the Boston Globe on the kitchen table a few weeks ago.

1.) The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times.
2.) Both articles are by the SAME AUTHOR (i.e. it's the same article).

I was somewhat baffled:

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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:28 am

I think OBL's name is kind of like Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi in the sense that there seem to be a number of ways it is spelled, depending on the translation.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:36 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 9):
I think OBL's name is kind of like Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi in the sense that there seem to be a number of ways it is spelled, depending on the translation.

All moot at this point. We can now refer to OBL by his final name (so I presume - it's been a good 24 hours now): Shark Shit.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 4:46 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 8):

1.) The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times.
2.) Both articles are by the SAME AUTHOR (i.e. it's the same article).

They probably have different editors, and since the Globe is older than its NYT ownership, it may maintain a different style book.

For example, most newspapers will refer to a subject by his or her last name: "Obama said that he has no plans to eat fried chicken tonight." The NYT always adds the appropriate honorific: "Mr. Obama said that he has no plans to eat fried chicken tonight."
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 4:55 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
They probably have different editors, and since the Globe is older than its NYT ownership, it may maintain a different style book.

Does the style book cover the different ways to spell Ghaddafi?

I felt like I was slowly sinking into a mire of utter semanticity when I saw those headlines.

And "semanticity" isn't even a word, far as I know.

Ah well, back to important things, like photos of airplanes.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 4:58 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 12):

Does the style book cover the different ways to spell Ghaddafi?

They'll have standards for transliteration of different languages. Now why they'd use different ones are beyond me.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 5:17 am

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 12):
And "semanticity" isn't even a word, far as I know.

Semanticity (a noun);is the quality that a linguistic system has of being able to convey meanings, in particular by reference to the world of physical reality.

Not to be confused with -

Semantics (a plural noun although often used in the singular)is the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning.
The two main areas are logical semantics, concerned with matters such as sense and reference and presupposition and implication, and lexical semantics, concerned with the analysis of word meanings and relations between them.

The latter is often used in phrases like "I don't wish to argue over semantics," when a person wants to say you said or implied something other than what you actually said and meant.

I have taken the definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary.
 
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 7:10 am

Quoting Quokka (Reply 14):

Semanticity (a noun);is the quality that a linguistic system has of being able to convey meanings, in particular by reference to the world of physical reality.

Ah well, and here I thought I invented a word....

Oddly enough, that definition actually seems to fit what I was saying (or is at least close).

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):

They'll have standards for transliteration of different languages. Now why they'd use different ones are beyond me.

Gotcha, thanks.
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 7:36 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 2):
It's probably down to a different interpretation of the translation of the arab spelling to roman letters. The same goes for his last name, I've seen it spelled bin Laden & bin Ladin.

Right.

In French, we say Oussama Ben Laden ... It's just a way to approach the right pronounciation, like when we write "Beijing".
 
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Tue May 03, 2011 12:50 pm

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 6):
Exactly. The funny thing is, the "U" sound is closer to the Arabic pronunciation than the "O" is.

Usama sounds a lot closer to Arabic pronunciation. One of my friends spells his name Oussama.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
I read somewhere that there are north of 100 accepted English spellings of Moammar Qaddafi.

There is a simple explanation for that. there are 3 Arabic letters in his name that have no true equivalent in English. M(oa)mmar (Q)a(dd)afi, you will find a lot of variation in those 3 segments of the name because of the lack of proper equivalent in the English alphabet.
 
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Thu May 05, 2011 5:16 pm

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
Bin Landen

Maybe you should worry more about getting right the spelling of the part of his name everyone agrees on!

I love these typos  
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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Thu May 05, 2011 10:28 pm

Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

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RE: How To Spell Bin Laden's First Name

Fri May 06, 2011 12:50 pm

All the Osamas I know spell their name Osama (whether it's a first name or last name). Perhaps in Pakistan people there tend to use the 'u' to be more 'authentic' but Osama is the more common alternative in the Arab world.
Perhaps it all boils down to how the Saudi government first spelled it on the first passport they ever issued for OBL, which is the spelling he would have used for applying for all those residence permits in Sudan, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

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