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F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 03, 2011 11:09 am

With all the events of the last few days I think many have forgotten we have another GP coming up.

Noted from Autosport, In an attempt to improve the fortunes of Williams,technical director Sam Michael and chief aerodynamicist Jon Tomlinson have fallen on their swords ... er...resigned from the team and leading star of "Spygate" Mike Coughlan has been appointed chief engineer.

Maybe not the choice I would have made, MC may be a brilliant engineer but in my book he should not be allowed back in an F1 paddock.. ever.

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Thu May 05, 2011 2:44 am

Thank you for opening the thread.

I am getting so fed up of constantly hearing the mediatic pounding about Osama and Obama that the upcoming Turkish Grand Prix will be a big breath of fresh air.

Can hardly wait to see them on the racing track!

I am in Florida waiting for Godot (a Space Shuttle launch that never comes) ready to wake up at wee hours in the night to watch the free practices and of course qualifying and race but these last ones will be at more decent hours on the U.S. East Coast.

I am longing to be back in Monaco with all of them there in real life.

Gawd... I really love them all F1 teams and drivers!!!!

  
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sat May 07, 2011 12:41 pm

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Noted from Autosport, In an attempt to improve the fortunes of Williams,technical director Sam Michael and chief aerodynamicist Jon Tomlinson have fallen on their swords ... er...resigned from the team and leading star of "Spygate" Mike Coughlan has been appointed chief engineer.

Oh dear ... I'd love to hear why Sam Michael has chosen to resign. It is, however, a chance to bring in fresh blood to the Williams technical department. I wonder if Patrick Head would like his old job back and step back into the hands on technical director role.

Anyway, qualifying results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2011/850/6841/

1. Sebastian Vettel 1:25.049
2. Mark Webber 1:25.454
3. Nico Rosberg 1:25.574
4. Lewis Hamilton 1:25.595
5. Fernando Alonso 1:25.851
6. Jenson Button 1:25.982
7. Vitaly Petrov 1:26.296
8. Michael Schumacher 1:26.646
9. Nick Heidfeld 1:26.659
10. Felipe Massa No time
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sat May 07, 2011 1:28 pm

Not a lot of interest in this thread... night have to look elswhere for F1 discussion, that would be sad!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I'd love to hear why Sam Michael has chosen to resign.

Following might be part of the reason...
Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
technical director Sam Michael and chief aerodynamicist Jon Tomlinson have fallen on their swords

I wrote the above before I read much on the subject but have since noticed more than one journo has used the words "fallen on their swords", not claiming credit for inspiring them, more highlighting the concept has some credibility.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 2):
I wonder if Patrick Head would like his old job back and step back into the hands on technical director role.

That may be part of the problem at Williams, it would not surprise me if Patrick Head could not give the role up completely to enough to allow Sam to do his job properly. There has certainly been evidence of second guessing the team management in recent years and it is no real secret that Head and Parr do not see eye to eye.

Plenty of other interesting things happening...

-Craig Pollock coming back as an engine supplier, interesting move for someone who in all honesty is a reasonable PR hack/driver manager.

- Ferrari trying to take over F1.... well the News/Exor buyout of CVC could be seen that way.

- Pirelli bring more durable tyres to the series... tyre performance/wear and it's effect on strategy has been a highlight of the season so the first reaction is to change that.. go figure.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sat May 07, 2011 2:38 pm

Vet again. This is getting so predictable. And walking out of the car minutes ahead of the final flag so overconfident ... and the RBR KERS mysteroiusly not working again. Oh dear.
A race or Q session without Vettel, and everything would be much more interesting. This season will look like everybody playing catch up to RBR, and they'll get wins when Vettel, or Webber make mistakes - Shanghai GP a fine example of this.
Other than that Merc finally beginning to improve, good runs from Rosberg and Schumi, decent McLarens, Ferrari their standard, Renaults also getting in.

I won't be watching the race anyway, I'll be out in the field catching some KLMs probably   far more interesting then another start to finish RBR win ;p

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sat May 07, 2011 7:23 pm

Kamui had a strike of bad luck during qualifyings with his car going mechanical. I hope the Sauber team will have the car back to normal by race start time. I am positive that he can make up a lot of places with a good finish if not a good start - that is if the car is back to normal.

Red Bull doing One and Two again? Not the least suprised. Turkey could very well be another Red Bull win but we are not there yet. Anything can happen. Got the news from the horse's mouth (friend in the Sauber garage) that it is very cold down there and raining at times too so a rainy race (which I hope) could very well change everything.

Jenson and Lewis will certainly be on the watch. Not sure about Mercedes - Schumi and Nico.

I will be very happy to watch the race. It will give a breath of fresh air to this endless wait for the Space Shuttle take off down here in the Orlando area. Good thing the Shuttles will soon be retired. I would not go through this constant launch timings and date changes ever again. Safety first... this is true also. The Big Flying Machine is much faster but her engines are so awfully more complex than our little F1 speeders.

Wishing for an exciting race on the Turkish track tomorrow!!

  
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sat May 07, 2011 9:23 pm

This is going to be such a predictable season. Nice to see Mercedes improve, but Ferrari, even with their updates seem to be struggling.

  
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 12:37 am

Great job by Liuzzi and HRT to out qualify Glock in the Virgin, well done!
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 8:38 am

How about this from Bernie... almost sensible--

Quoting Autosport:
Bernie Ecclestone has warned teams it would be 'suicidal' for them if F1 moved to News Corp's pay-per-view channels as part of a takeover deal
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 12:21 pm

How was Massa's release legal. It looked to me that he was released dangerously and that he was driving on the wrong side of the double white line in the PIT lane. Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 12:33 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

Not just you, absolutely unsafe release, and racing on wrong side of blue line, should be pulled in and parked... but won't be!!

Update- Seems Massa will not be penalised because he surrendered the spot!
What a crock of s&^t, it WAS an unsafe release and racing down the slow lane IS dangerous AND irresponsible regardless of benefit gained.
More stewards with red colour blindness!

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 1:11 pm

Further more, is it legal to make Radio transmissions in any language other than english?
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 1:29 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
is it legal to make Radio transmissions in any language other than english?

Seems to be OK, can't find any more on transmissions than this...

Quoting 2011 Technical regulations:
8.7 Driver radio :
Other than authorised connections to the FIA ECU, any voice radio communication system between car
and pits must be stand-alone and must not transmit or receive other data. All such communications must
be open and accessible to both the FIA and, where appropriate, broadcasters.

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 1:32 pm

Good race to the redbulls Congrats to Vettel...

I read that McLaren have a huge update ready for Spain, but if he just keeps winning, because A. Mark Webber isn't given KERS and B. because Adrian Newey is just too awesome...

I'm going to get bored. Am I the only one who's bored by Vettel? Seems like he just qualifies first and then just pulls away becasue he's got a perfect car....I can't think of a weekend where he actually had to fight for a race win.

Hamilton on the other hand...
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 2:10 pm

It's been a fabulous race. Alonso v Webber, Hamilton v Button, Massa v Button, Massa v Rosberg, everyone else v Schumacher - there's just so much action in this race, how can anyone think this season is boring? It's one of the most entertaining seasons of F1 I've ever seen. DRS + KERS has been a massive success, in my opinion.

I'm also very glad that Vettel is exerting his dominance over the field, silencing his critics who said he was lucky to have won last year due to the fact that he never lead the championship at any point except the last race. Now, he's leading from the start (and hopefully to the finish). I'm loving it. I hope he seals the championship up with several races to spare.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 2:12 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 11):
Further more, is it legal to make Radio transmissions in any language other than english?

On the Speed broadcast here in the US, the announcers were wondering the same thing - they didn't think it was.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 3:12 pm

Didn't see the r,ace but it looks as if it was another walk over by vettel. Hopefully mclaren can get their act together and have a good race in Spain. Will have to try download the race from somewhere.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 4:52 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 14):
It's been a fabulous race. Alonso v Webber, Hamilton v Button, Massa v Button, Massa v Rosberg, everyone else v Schumacher - there's just so much action in this race, how can anyone think this season is boring? It's one of the most entertaining seasons of F1 I've ever seen. DRS + KERS has been a massive success, in my opinion.

I quite agree, it was a very entertaining race. To add to your list I noticed that Heidfeld and Petrov had an intra-Renault battle (with Heidfeld overtaking Petrov outside of the cameras towards the end of the race), Kovalainen kept improving positions (still not close to the points but remarkable nevertheless), and the Toro Rossos/Force Indias/Williams/Saubers all having battles of their own. Yes, a lot of folks will say that Vettel's victory seems a bit "easy" and "boring" on the TV (mostly because they want their own favourite driver to win!) but we got to admit that it takes considerable skills, talent, and concentration to drive as flawlessly as he did, even more so considering that he got little seat time on Friday due to his own error in the wet.

I may be biased as I'm a Vettel fan but I respected every Schumacher victory even though I wasn't a fan simply because of his extraordinary skills.

Very entertaining race, hope that the following ones keep this momentum.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 6:57 pm

I enjoyed watching the race. Red Bull Supremo with a One and Two as I predicted.

Hammy lost time during the third pit stop. Don't know what went wrong but it took them a long time and something happened with the lollipop man somehow. He could have finished third if not for that erratic pit stop i think.

Driver of the Day was undoubtedly Kamui. Climbed from last to 5th --at one point-- and then after his third pit stop he went from 17th finishing 10th. Not much attention is given to him, we don't see much of his whereabouts during race feeds. He managed to get one WDC point today and did better than Massa and Schumi. Would have done better without the puncture. This is no small result. I was really pleased.

Go Kamui!!!!

As expected, the teams with the most money get the best results and the most attention. Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Renault. Schumi is the shadow of Schumi. He should consider retirement. He now has a replacement named Sebastian Vettel.

  
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 8:27 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
and something happened with the lollipop man somehow



Not really. Hamilton was just too fast. He wanted to get from the pit, but the lollipop man didnt release him as Massa (or was it Alonso?) was on his way entering his pit. Fortunately Hamilton stopped, otherwise he would have collided with Massa or whoever drove the Ferrari.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 9:38 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
How was Massa's release legal. It looked to me that he was released dangerously and that he was driving on the wrong side of the double white line in the PIT lane. Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

It wasn't illegal. Hamilton was simply driving fast, trying to leapfrog Massa in the pits. Massa saw that coming and avoided a collision.

Vettel winning again..ugh..and Schumi seems to have lost it. Massa needs to retire.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Sun May 08, 2011 9:55 pm

It was a good race indeed, very entertaining watching the little battles. I am happy that finally Ferrari managed a podium.

Clearly Red Bull are in a league of their own, so Ferrari just need to concentrate on keeping up with the McLaren´s and Merc´s

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
Not really. Hamilton was just too fast. He wanted to get from the pit, but the lollipop man didnt release him as Massa (or was it Alonso?) was on his way entering his pit. Fortunately Hamilton stopped, otherwise he would have collided with Massa or whoever drove the Ferrari
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
Hammy lost time during the third pit stop. Don't know what went wrong but it took them a long time and something happened with the lollipop man somehow

He got hold up on the 2nd stop for Massa entering the pit, and on the 3rd one, one of the wheel nuts got stuck or something.

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 4:43 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 9):
How was Massa's release legal. It looked to me that he was released dangerously and that he was driving on the wrong side of the double white line in the PIT lane. Is it just me or shouldn't that be a penalty?

And I noticed Lewis Hamilton making sure to drive Massa into the standing pit-crews along the pit-lane (in a subtle way of course).

They both deserve a slap over the wrists for that kind of dangerous behaviour.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 5:03 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 20):
Massa needs to retire.

Has there been any more to the rumour about Webber replacing Massa next season - or am I just behind the times and this was discussed in an earlier thread? Also discussion in our papers that Daniel Ricciardo may score a Toro Rosso seat next season - hopefully it doesn't come down to the usual sponsorship lottery which kept Webber out of F1 for so long.......
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 6:15 am

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I was under the impression str drivers werent pay drivers but I could be wrong.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 6:26 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 22):
They both deserve a slap over the wrists for that kind of dangerous behaviour.

No. Hamilton did nothing wrong. He was in the 'fast' lane of the pit lane. Massa was only beside Hamilton by virtue of the Ferrari pit crew's unsafe release. It may not be Massa's fault, but the Ferrari crew are the ones that deserve a slap on the wrist, not Hamilton.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 23):
Has there been any more to the rumour about Webber replacing Massa next season

First I've heard of it, altough I can't see Webber agreeing to be number two at Ferrari, even if Webber and Alonso get on well with each other.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 7:03 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 22):
And I noticed Lewis Hamilton making sure to drive Massa into the standing pit-crews along the pit-lane (in a subtle way of course).

What utter nonsense.
We was in the designated lane. Massa wasn't.
Massa's pit crew should not have released him with Hamilton already underway and so close.
Massa should have slowed down and moved into the designated lane behind Hamilton, how he did not get a penalty and others did for a 1 KPH infringement of the speed limit beggars belief.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 10:51 am

Quoting Garpd (Reply 26):
What utter nonsense.
We was in the designated lane. Massa wasn't.

He was gently moving over to the left edge of the designated lane. That's just as bad as the unsafe release - and in my view, they both deserve a slap over the wrists for dangerous driving. Make that noted again both were in the wrong in my view and I'm not defending either of them.

And we've seen it before, only the protagonists were Lewis Hamilton (who didn't slow down) and Vettel (who moved over to the edge of the pit lane to barge Hamilton into the pit crews):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyodQblymf8&feature=related

And compare:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPo6eKSO9g&feature=player_embedded

You can clearly see him driving right up to the edge of the line and even onto it, very deliberately. That kind of thing shouldn't be allowed. He had plenty of room to leave Massa some space. Dangerous driving from both of them. I wonder if Lewis remembered the previous incident above and thought he'd try the same trick.

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 11:28 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 27):
And we've seen it before,

Yes we have

Quoting cpd (Reply 27):
only the protagonists were Lewis Hamilton

and this is largely irrelevent, I am not saying Ferrari should be penalised because I am a Hamilton fan, (I'm not) I am saying Massa & the team should be penalised because they did wrong.
And Ferrari are serial offenders at the practice!
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 12:00 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 28):
and this is largely irrelevent, I am not saying Ferrari should be penalised because I am a Hamilton fan, (I'm not) I am

Ferrari is wrong here too - and I believe I'm going out of breath saying that, but, is it okay to deliberately drive over to the blue line area for no good reason other than to barge someone else into the pit-crews?

If there isn't a rule governing that already, then there should be one. If you go onto or across that line after taking your pit-stop for no good reason - and especially to get up to that kind of mischief, it makes you just as guilty as the one who was unsafely released - it's dangerous driving.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 12:49 pm

Quoting cpd (Reply 29):
If there isn't a rule governing that already, then there should be one. If you go onto or across that line after taking your pit-stop for no good reason - and especially to get up to that kind of mischief, it makes you just as guilty as the one who was unsafely released - it's dangerous driving.

... all of which would never have happened had the unsafe release not happened in the first place. Hamilton was holding his line. It's Massa that needed to slow down and let Hamilton through so he could join the proper lane behind Hamilton, as Hamilton's car was ahead at the time and it was Massa's car that got an unsafe release. Had Massa not been so pig headed about beating Hamilton out the pitlane, this would never have happened.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 30):

... all of which would never have happened had the unsafe release not happened in the first place. Hamilton was holding his line. It's Massa that needed to slow down and let Hamilton through so he could join the proper lane behind Hamilton, as Hamilton's car was ahead at the time and it was Massa's car that got an unsafe release. Had Massa not been so pig headed about beating Hamilton out the pitlane, this would never have happened.

  
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 6:34 pm

Ahhh some good classic Ferrari vs. Mclaren in the threads, useless considering how they finished in the race, but still a nice dispute of the so called FIA vs. the rest of the world  

About the race, I really enjoyed this one. The best this season so far, not because of Ferrari finally showing some sign of recovery, but because aside form Vettel, who is at a completely different level, there was real racing all over. If this continues for the next few races, maybe the season will be worth following after all 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 9:01 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 32):
Ahhh some good classic Ferrari vs. Mclaren in the threads,

Not from me... I might have mentioned the Red-Blind stewards but I would be expecting penalties for Massa's pitlane behaviour regardless of who or what team it was. Drivers have been reprimanded in the past for similar action so I expected stronger sanctions this time.
Similarly Schumacher was warned earlier in the season for blocking during qualifying yet received no sanction for repeating the offence this weeekend.

Great race, officials not so terrific
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
Not from me... I might have mentioned the Red-Blind stewards but I would be expecting penalties for Massa's pitlane behaviour regardless of who or what team it was.

Massa let LH in front, no accident or incident happened, no one gained or lost a position illegaly ... nothing happened other than an awsome pit stop moment!
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 9:13 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 20):
Massa needs to retire.

Schumi needs to retire.


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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 34):
no one gained or lost a position illegaly ... nothing happened other than an awsome pit stop moment!

An awesomely dangerous pitstop moment, just because Massa did not gain a place does not detract from the seriousness of the action.
If your local highway patrol sees you driving dangerously on the highway do they forget about it if you get stopped at a red light and don't get home earlier i.e. gained no advantage?
How do you think those pitcrews felt with a racing Massa headed at them on their side of the lane line?
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Mon May 09, 2011 9:59 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 30):
... all of which would never have happened had the unsafe release not happened in the first place. Hamilton was holding his line. It's Massa that needed to slow down and let Hamilton through so he could join the proper lane behind Hamilton, as Hamilton's car was ahead at the time and it was Massa's car that got an unsafe release. Had Massa not been so pig headed about beating Hamilton out the pitlane, this would never have happened.

Massa was in front when he was released, but Hamilton had the pit lane and was side by side with Massa. He let LH through anyway..so don't understand what you're going on about. Yes he was an idiot for trying to race LH in the pit lane when clearly, LH had the racing line, but no harm done.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
Schumi needs to retire.

Yes. And Massa. He seems to have forgotten how to drive..braking hard and flatspotting his tyres..that needed an additional pitstop, spinning his car on turn 8 etc.

Schumi also seems to have forgotten how to race..what was that boneheaded move early on..running into Petrov (I think it was Petrov)..losing his front wing. Also he was intensely battling it out with someone else (Kobayashi I think) for 12th or 13th place. He looks more like a noob than a 7 time world champion!
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 2:28 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
Massa was in front when he was released, but Hamilton had the pit lane and was side by side with Massa.

Only by virtue of the fact that Massa's pit garage was ahead of Hamilton's. Once Massa was released, when he tried to enter the pit lane Hamilton's car was already there, and this replay from on board his car clearly shows Hamilton being ahead of Massa at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkPo6eKSO9g
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Tue May 10, 2011 11:59 am

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 12:19 pm

Just wondering where the F1 love has gone from the Anet membership??

In what is shaping up to be one of the most interesting seasons in a long time there seems little interest here!

In 2010 the Chinese GP thread had 235 posts, in 2011 just 86
In 2011 the Turkish GP thread had 258 posts and in 2011 a mere 39
Granted the 2010 TGP had the Red Bull fratricide incident but the action seen in the last few races has surely generated more interest than displayed by Anet members.

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 12:46 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 40):
Granted the 2010 TGP had the Red Bull fratricide incident but the action seen in the last few races has surely generated more interest than displayed by Anet members.

I barely watch F1 these days. You know who is going to win each race - so why stay up late and have a horrid exhausted Monday at work.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting cpd (Reply 41):
You know who is going to win each race

Absolutely... but the TV producers also know this... how much of Vettel did you see in the telecast of the TGP(if you had watched it!)?
Most of the action and there is plenty further back .... the TV hardly even showed the leaders pitstops as there was too much going on on track.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
I loved the way Martin Brundle quipped in when DC said "He just doesn't seem to know when to give up"..and Martin Brundle goes "you mean on his career or his race?"

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 4:39 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 34):
Massa let LH in front, no accident or incident happened, no one gained or lost a position illegaly ... nothing happened other than an awsome pit stop moment!

With that logic, anyone caught speeding in the pit lane should be let off, so long as nothing happens. right?

The race should be re-run then, as one driver received a drive through penalty for being 3 kph over the limit. Clearly nothing happened, no one waa put at risk, so he shouldn't have been penalised.

Rules are Rules. Massa broke them, his team broke them. They should be docked points and possibly even serve a one race ban. Massa was well outside of the designated lane.
Don't get me wrong, I'm always cheering for Massa, especially when he shows he's better than that cocky and arrogant Alonso. But he drove dangerously and should be punished.

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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting Garpd (Reply 43):
But he drove dangerously and should be punished.

At most, the team, and not even that. F1 is dangerously becoming a sanction fest, and drivers are every day more afraid of attempting anything because they'll get sanctioned. A 1 race ban? sounds way out of proportion

Quoting stealthz (Reply 40):
n 2010 the Chinese GP thread had 235 posts, in 2011 just 86
In 2011 the Turkish GP thread had 258 posts and in 2011 a mere 39
Granted the 2010 TGP had the Red Bull fratricide incident but the action seen in the last few races has surely generated more interest than displayed by Anet members.

I used to be able to wacth the races live, now I have to wait hours, so by the time I watch the race all the hype has gone out of here, so I am partly to blame for this anet downfall  

But the fact that Vettel keeps on getting poles and winning the race from start to finish, well, it's sort of a turn off. Last season there were 4 or 5 serious contenders for the WDC, this season there might not even be a fight for 2nd place.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Tue May 10, 2011 7:06 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 44):
At most, the team, and not even that. F1 is dangerously becoming a sanction fest, and drivers are every day more afraid of attempting anything because they'll get sanctioned. A 1 race ban? sounds way out of proportion

Racing is for the track, not the pit lane.
Massa & Team were reckless. A ban would be getting off lightly in my opinion.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Wed May 11, 2011 12:27 pm

Quoting Garpd (Reply 45):
Racing is for the track, not the pit lane

then ban pit stops all together and keep the cars on the track for the entire race. Pit stops have become a very important part of F1, and race results have been defined many times by what happens on the pit lane.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Wed May 11, 2011 12:42 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 46):
then ban pit stops all together

I'm all for that, some of the best GP ever were no pitstop races.

But while we have pitstops there are rules and they must be obeyed, last Sunday a serial offender broke those rules and got away with it!

And EZEIZA I know you will condemn this as a typical StealthZ anti Ferrari rant, but it isn't... it is just when it comes to pitlane infractions they are THE serial offender.
This may be a function of team/race management and require an adjustment to the decision process or it may be an arrogant "rules don't apply to us" attitude...I don't know.
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Wed May 11, 2011 12:58 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 42):
Absolutely... but

Also, internet forums are slowing down quite a bit compared to a while ago..

I did watch some of the race, but I went to sleep some of the way through it. F1 isn't the must watch thing that it used to be for me. That ended with the V10 engines.
 
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RE: F1 2011: Turkish Grand Prix

Wed May 11, 2011 1:09 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 46):
then ban pit stops all together and keep the cars on the track for the entire race. Pit stops have become a very important part of F1, and race results have been defined many times by what happens on the pit lane.

That's going to the other extreme. I agree that pit stops are very important in F1 and pit stop decisions can well define a race. But while the so-called 'racing' in pit lanes happen between pit crews, what should never happen are drivers driving recklessly in the non-designated lane, being a danger to pit crews. That's what Massa was this weekend. By the time he left his pit box he had already lost his position to Hamilton. The best thing he could've done was to sit on Hamilton's gearbox until they both exit the pitlane, rather than trying to drive beside him.
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