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How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 10:12 am

Long story short, I was wondering if there is anything I can do do improve my PC's memory without any drastic* measures?

*i.e spending money.

Seems there is so little memory left now, that my photo editing software can no longer "undo" changes I make to photos... as there is not enough memory for it.

Any help is welcome.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 10:46 am

If you don't have available slots for extra memory, or you can't obtain larger memory cards of the right type to fit your existing slots, you may be able to increase the size of the paging file or virtual memory (the amount of the harddisk that is used as temporary memory). You can also change the setting to "clear the page file on shutdown". This means that it may take longer for the PC to close down but it will make more virtual memory available. How you do these things will depend on your operating system but there should be details in the "Help" pages.

Otherwise, you can look at what programs load at start up and if you don't need them alter the setting so that they don't autostart.

Look at what programs you have installed and again, if you don't need them or use them you can uninstall them.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 11:15 am

Alright let me get one thing out of the way, when asking for computer help... ALWAYS STATE YOUR SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS. That way those that can help you can know what we're dealing with.

First you have to determine where you need more memory to begin with. To me it sounds like you need more RAM. Aside from shutting down unnecessary background processes there's not much you can do.

Certainly don't go for those "Speed up your computer" programs, most will actually make it slower.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 1):
You can also change the setting to "clear the page file on shutdown"

I don't think that will help with his picture editing. AFAIK redo/undo operations are saved to RAM.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 11:17 am

Guys, I think he's talking about HD space and not RAM. Am I correct Thomas?
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 11:28 am

Looks like need to
Upgrade your
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 11:58 am

It might also be an idea to look at the programs you have running in the background, there are some who are notorious resource hogs to the point that shutting them down will yield a massive improvement in performance.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting Quokka (Reply 1):
you can look at what programs load at start up and if you don't need them alter the setting so that they don't autostart.

I will check that out, though to my knowledge only the antivirus software appears to be working in the background. And I'm not too keen on shutting thatdown...
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
ALWAYS STATE YOUR SYSTEM SPECIFICATIONS.

Sorry, but I'm pretty clueless when it comes to computers... It's XP if that's of any help (which I doubt...)
I don't know how much RAM it has though, which I'm sure would be more helpful to know.
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
To me it sounds like you need more RAM.

I'm thinking that's where the problem lies myself, but I was wondering if there was any way of improving the RAM I currently have on the computer, without adding any? I mean, the memory seems to have "filled up", so is there any way of "emptying out" some to improve the virtual memory?
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Certainly don't go for those "Speed up your computer" programs

I have no intention of doing so, in fact the thought never even crossed my mind.
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 3):
Guys, I think he's talking about HD space and not RAM. Am I correct Thomas?

Err.. There should be sufficient space on my harddrives, if that's what you're getting at. Although one of the internal HD's is starting to fill up a bit lately, with some new software being installed. I'll see if I can free up some space on the HD if it is likely to improve the memory on the computer...
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4):
Looks like need to
Upgrade your
RAM.

It does seem that way...
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Quoting CPH-R (Reply 5):
It might also be an idea to look at the programs you have running in the background, there are some who are notorious resource hogs to the point that shutting them down will yield a massive improvement in performance.

Like I said, I'm really only aware of the antivirus software, and msn for that matter, which start up and run automatically. Other than that, I don't really know of any other programs which run in the background.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 4:55 pm

A
Start > Control panel > System > a window called "system properties" opens up
At the bottom of the window it shows "Computer: the type of processor and the amount of RAM installed

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Control+Alternate+Delete (the three keys simultaneously)
A window called "Task manager" opens up
It shows you what processes are running or idling
Press the tab "performance" and check the figures below "physical memory" (total - available - system cache)

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 5:29 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 7):
When you know all of this give us a sign

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 7:42 pm

Right...

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor
4000+
2.61 GHz, 2,00 GB RAM

Quoting iakobos (Reply 7):
Press the tab "performance" and check the figures below "physical memory" (total - available - system cache)

Approx 700 of 3900. Doesn't seem too bad to me, but it probably increases if I'm doing more things at once. Like editing 50-100 photos while listening to music, and having an explorer window or two + msn running in the background. Neither of which I am currently doing btw...

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 8:10 pm

Just a comment, I run Photoshop on half that regularly. But never more than 1-2 photos at once. 50-100 is probably your problem.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 8:16 pm

2.00 GB is still good these days for surfing, average size photos, email and non-hd videos. If you are editing photos, specially high resolution, then with newer programs 2GB is insuficient. HD videos pose problems for single core CPUs, which I think yours is but not sure. I still have a pentium 4 computer (I have a newer i7 though), and it's not too good at all with HD and no way I could install there a modern photo editor, even though I don't use such programs. But for general internet it still gets the job done, ex-HD like I said. So as long as you don't have a million things, 2GB is still good, but with top end programs (I don't know what you have), they maybe slow down.

It is not hard at all to open a computer, trust me I knew nothing like you and one day decided that it wasn't rocket science: just look at your computer rationally and find the screws and open it, some don't even have screws. The RAM is the easiest to spot really: they are the long thin strips that stick out. Check if there are what seem to be ''empty'' slots where you could stick more of the strips, if there are they are right next to the strip and nowhere else.

If it is a factory made computer which it maybe, many times they won't give you more RAM space, both to save money on that machine and force you to get another one sooner rather than later! If you DO find space, than that is by far the easiest, fastest and cheapest thing you can do. Just make sure to call your manufacturer to get the right tipe of RAM!! What you need to find out from them is (or your computer manual):

1. Channel: single, dual, or tripple (single is ancient and triple is very new so yours is 99% chance dual)
2. DDR2 or DDR3 dual channel (in this part if you buy the wrong type DDR2 will not fit DDR3 and viceversa so that's the worst that wil happen)
3. The Mhz of the RAM in your computer now to buy one similar
4. the maximum voltage RAM the computer permits (as long as it's not a super high end RAM this is no problem, but some people do think by buying expensive RAM on a low end computer it will improve it, that is like throwing 103 gas on a SMART, and may actually harm the system).

I give you these four not to make you think it's hard, but just to be aware of them. As long as you stick with a general market RAM, or better yet, if you can get your computer manufacturer to send you one, then no problems.

However, if there is no slots available your improvement of memory gets a lot more limited. There are some things you can do like mentioned above, but ultimately it's like trying to make 1000 sqm space on a 500 sqm garage, it is what it is.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 9:04 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 10):
50-100 is probably your problem.

Could be, although I have opened 100 images at a time before without any problems. Edit one at a time of course, but have still had no trouble opening up to 100 at the same time, to save having to open new images all the time.
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Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
HD videos pose problems for single core CPUs, which I think yours is but not sure.

Indeed. I recently installed Pinnacle Studio 14 HD, in order to edit the HD videofiles I have been getting from my new camera. In short, it has not gone well...
Try to load or edit several HD clips in the Pinnacle program, and the computer crashes / reboots.
Try to play back single HD videofiles using a video software (VLC in my case), and the computer crashes / reboots.

There is a good chance I'll just skip adding additional RAM, and instead upgrade to a faster and more powerful computer alltogether.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 9):
Approx 700 of 3900. Doesn't seem too bad to me, but it probably increases if I'm doing more things at once. Like editing 50-100 photos while listening to music, and having an explorer window or two + msn running in the background. Neither of which I am currently doing btw...

If it was a plane you could say you are pushing it at the edge of its flight envelope.

Either you buy extra RAM, meaning going from 2 to 4GB, rather cheap (25-30E ?) and easy to do by yourself, or you will have to restrain on your simultaneous tasks.
If you do not contemplate the purchase of a new machine in the short term, I would advise to invest in those extra 2GB.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Wed May 04, 2011 9:34 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 6):

Sorry, but I'm pretty clueless when it comes to computers...

Google has all the answers.

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 9):
Doesn't seem too bad to me, but it probably increases if I'm doing more things at once.

Check it again when you are running all your stuff.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 8:41 am

What strikes me about the "undo" option not working when editing photos, is that it still does not work even after shutting the program down, or restarting the computer. Seems the "undo" option is gone for good from that software ever since the error message regarding the lack of virtual memory popped up recently.

Makes editing a lot more time consuming, as everytime I make a mistake while editing, I have to close the image without saving, and start the entire editing process over again.

Frustrating is a word that comes to mind...

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 9:00 am

Have you updated the application or have you changed any settings between the last time it had worked and now?
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 12:59 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Have you updated the application or have you changed any settings between the last time it had worked and now?

No, I haven't made any changes at all. They seem to have happened on their own...

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 1:01 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 17):
No, I haven't made any changes at all. They seem to have happened on their own...

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 3:14 pm

Installing a Graphics Card helps with the video memory, and you most likely need to upgrade ram, this is probably the simplest computer task out there; many video tutorials to help you. I recommended visiting Newegg.com they might have a European version.
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 18):
Are trolls still reported active in Norway ?

If this is anything like what I experienced in the past, it might not be a troll. I remember having the problem once before of running programs and a warning would come up saying that there was insufficient virtual memory.

Thom@s. Two things I want you to do:

Go into My Computer on your desktop, and then right-click on your hard drive. Select "Properties" and then tell us how much free space you have left on your hard drive. If you have multiple drives, the important one is the one Windows is installed on.

Post that information first. Once we know how much space is left on your hard drive, we can tell you how much to increase the size of your paging file. Once we give you that number, you'll do the following:

Go to Start -> Help and Support

In the search box at the top, type "paging file" and click the green arrow.

In the results box, click "how to change the size of the virtual memory paging file."

Follow the instructions on screen.

Enter the number we give you.

And that should help.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting iakobos (Reply 18):
Are trolls still reported active in Norway ?

You tell me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM
 
Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 20):
Go into My Computer on your desktop, and then right-click on your hard drive. Select "Properties" and then tell us how much free space you have left on your hard drive. If you have multiple drives, the important one is the one Windows is installed on.

I know I said I didn't know much about computers, but I do know how to find out how much available space there is left on the HD... Hehe.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 20):
Go to Start -> Help and Support

In the search box at the top, type "paging file" and click the green arrow.

In the results box, click "how to change the size of the virtual memory paging file."

Follow the instructions on screen.

Enter the number we give you.

And that should help.

I will do the above when I get the chance.

Thanks for the help so far everyone.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 5:59 pm

So, free space on the two internal HDs:

28,2GB (HD with Windows installed on it.) out of 50GB

7,55GB out of 211GB (Backup files mainly, as I primarilly use an external HD for my files.)

As for the instructions I was to follow, it rather came to a standstill when searching for "paging file" ended in 0 results.
Possibly because my computer is set up in Norwegian, and what I am looking for would therefore have a norwegian name...?

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 9:27 pm

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 22):
Backup files mainly

LIES.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Thu May 05, 2011 10:09 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 23):
I bet its your porn library

Nonsense! It is backup...

...of the porn library.

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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Sat May 07, 2011 7:43 am

Thom@s;

I can't believe no one has mentioned this.........................

You can have "lots of ram", and "lots of HD space", and then your computer just seems to be be getting slower and slower............

Do you have any notion of how all of that "stuff" on your hard drive is "stored" ?

Unlike an old long playing 33 1/3 record, the "stuff" on a HD isn't "stored" in a huge "spiral" which goes round and round and round..............it's stored in "sectors"; When the computer is new, everything needed for "XYZ' for instance, is stored In sector 1,2,3; same for all the data for "this and that"; THEN, ( while no one is looking ), little by little, as time goes on, tiny bits of data for "XYZ" gets plopped into 9,18, & 73 for example; and all this just keeps adding up over a period of time. Technically, it's known as "fragmenting", or something akin to that word; kinda like when one spoon gets mixed up with the forks, and your shorts get stuck in with your wife's bra's; makes everything "slow to find" !

Hard drives zip around pretty fast ! 5,400 rpm's, 7,200 rps's, even faster; a tiny little "thingie" "hunts" for stuff in sector "9", then has to check 438, 1233, and back to 11, and all that takes "time", even if the thing is going "pretty darn fast"; at this point, you need to "de-frag" your hard drive, puts everything back into it's proper drawer, 'er, "sector"; lotta apps for doing this; "Spring Cleaning" comes to mind; Depending on about a million things, it usually takes from maybe 5 minutes to 3 months; again, depending on a bunch of things, too numerous to think of, list, or type; ( with only 8 fingers)

Check with your nearest "guru"; if he / she / or it concurs, go get yourself a de-frag app and run it; can't hurt, and may help. Good luck.

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Sat May 07, 2011 9:46 am

De-fragmenting can absolutely hurt you.

If your defragmentation utility craps out in the middle of the process for any reason (bug in the utility, power loss, damaged disk structure etc.), all your data is effectively lost.

Don't do it unless you have a fresh backup of all your relevant data.
(And you've verified that the data in the backup is actually accessible.)

One of various reasons why disk access becomes slower over time is actually not fragmentation as the disk is filling up, but simply the disk having to make use of the slower parts of the platter: At the outer rim data rates are higher than at the hub (because at the rim the tangential speed of the read/write heads is higher at the same RPM), and harddisks are filling up from the outside inwards.

So the data filling up the disk will be accessed ever slower and you can't do anything about this effect, really. Fragmentation may add some delays on top of that, but the underlying effect is inherent.

De-fragmentation may in some specific cases somewhat improve the speed of some file operations, but it won't make the picture editing program do things it wasn't willing to do before. That's just a different thing.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Sat May 07, 2011 12:16 pm

About the pagefile thing, you can set its size. I'm not much of a photo editor myself, but it's well known that photoshop is bitchy with the pagefile, some people with a lot of RAM like me (12GB triple channel DDR3) want to disable the pagefile, but photoshop (and some other programs) won't allow it. So I set a 12GB pagefile (fixed size) and am done with it. Other make a ramdisk and put the file there, I might do it.

Back to your problem, with only 2GB of RAM you might need to increase the size of the file, follow inscructions here :

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...rm_change_vmpagefile.mspx?mfr=true

If you set the same size for the low and high value then it won't resize continually. Then, maybe photoshop will be happy again (it won't improve performance, however, especially with an HDD, personally my boot drive is an SSD, a drive made with flash memory).
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Sun May 08, 2011 6:02 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 26):
De-fragmenting can absolutely hurt you.

If your defragmentation utility craps out in the middle of the process for any reason (bug in the utility, power loss, damaged disk structure etc.), all your data is effectively lost.

Don't do it unless you have a fresh backup of all your relevant data.
(And you've verified that the data in the backup is actually accessible.)

Thank you Klaus ! I was afraid I would forget something..................When I was using my power Mac I had that problem and I bought a utility that defragged th HD plus a few other things; the difference was, I had my engineer son on the phone "holding my hand", and things went quite smoothly. ( it's been quite a while though ) Right now, this iMac is about to max out the HD, so I plan to add an external HD as a "short term" thing, until I can just buy another machine; preferably with "more of everything" ! I really really need to get everything on my HD backed up before I do anything though......
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Sun May 08, 2011 10:05 am

I keep recommending everyone to make regular backups... On the Mac, Time Machine makes this trivially easy. There's almost no excuse for not using it!

It's surely a good thing for Thom@s too, before probably moving to a new machine.
 
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RE: How To Increase Memory On Computer.

Sun May 08, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
I keep recommending everyone to make regular backups...

I do actually have backup of all my files, so I should be ok in the worst case.

I have also read the other posts, and in short, I won't defrag the computer...

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