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The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 6:29 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/2...N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA3RoZXJpZ2h0LXdpbg--


Read the article: the market for angry old white men parrotting talking points is literally dying off, while straight talkers like Michael Smerconish are enjoying a boom time.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 6:43 pm

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
dying off,

Literally. The reason Rush is losing listeners is that they are dying. He has been around so long. The people that have been with him have either passed or are so old they lost their hearing. Doesn't mean he is dead. Angry white people are not his whole audience I listen to him and I am far from far right.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 6:59 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):

Literally. The reason Rush is losing listeners is that they are dying.

(Insert sound of buzzer)

WRONG!

http://www.quantcast.com/rushlimbaugh.com

These stats show that Rush's audience is some 20-30% larger today than it was 2 years ago. It's down from the peak in 2009, but higher than what it was before.

Naturally his numbers will be down about now - It's only been 6 months since the last mid-terms and people just aren't ready for a lot of partisanship. That's why I haven't listened to him in months. That's why I look at these people starting the 2012 campaigns and say to myself, "Oh, shit here we go again"
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 7:06 pm

I didn't see any real proof in the article but hey it must be true. Lots of factors play into it but its all good as long as whitey shuts the hell up. Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn. They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map. Don't believe me? ... you should , I see it everyday. Our kids are being programmed to hate the US and the white imperialists... and it is working.

Like Nanny Pelosi say's ..." we need elections to not really matter that much "... just one big happy family living on dirt and lining up at the troff of the elite . So who is going to replace whitey old guy ?... a bunch of government employees ? , windmill watchers? and Walmart stockers ? Better be careful what you wish for .
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 7:12 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn.

Source?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map.

Source?

P.S. It's LEWIS and Clark. I'm normally not a pedant for others' spelling and grammar, but if you're going to knock education and the fact that kids "don't know stuff these days" then I do expect you to know how to spell it.

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Don't believe me?

No, sir. I do not.

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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 7:34 pm

I am a registered Democrat and I have to say Conservative talk radio may be "dying out" but it will never go away and frankly it shouldn't. I may not agree with my conservative friends but I will listen to their POV to fully understand the subject at hand. That's one problem we have. You listen to one side of the argument but not the other. So how can you make a informed decision when you eliminate the other half?

I think people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and O'Reilly are nearing the end or their runs. They will most certainly be replaced with others who share their ideas and beliefs.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 8:04 pm

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 5):
I may not agree with my conservative friends but I will listen to their POV to fully understand the subject at hand.

When they talk to me, I listen. When they yell at me, or try to delegitimize me, I don't. Smerconish gets this right - I disagree with him sometimes, but I know he respects those who disagree with him. You won't hear mocking, you won't hear sensationalizing, and you won't hear parroting the party line from him. That's why he's growing, and Beck is going off the air.
 
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Fri May 13, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
...and I am far from far right.

Oh boy! I plan to quote you early and often.

"I am far from right."

 
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 8:40 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Source?



Do you have 3 kids in the school system ? Do you ever follow up on their assignments and look at their text books? . We all cant wait for black history month to come around again ... its outrageous programming.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 9:01 pm

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Don't believe me?

No, don't believe you. At all. Just because your kids don't know where Vietnam is on a map or don't know who Lewis & Clark are doesn't mean all kids don't. And apparently you don't know much about them either, since you called them Luis and Clark.

Quote:
.. just one big happy family living on dirt and lining up at the troff of the elite .

Really a disgusting, inappropriate, utterly wrong, and ugly statement.

Quote:
Do you ever follow up on their assignments and look at their text books? . We all cant wait for black history month to come around again ... its outrageous programming.

I'd like for you to provide us a specific example of what you consider "programming" that's sourced from something your own children did during February. It's only been three months, it shouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see what you're talking about, since you are saying that you see "programming" in it.

If you're going to make yet more allegations (you're always throwing around Communism), you need to back them up.




Now as for "the end being near" for Conservative Talk Radio, I don't see that happening. It'll always be there. It may ebb and flow, but I think they'll always be conservative talk radio, and there should be. I don't like what conservative talk radio hosts have to say - in fact, I find many of their views absolutely abhorrent. But the fact that they are there reassures me that there is room for all points of view including my own.

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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
I am far from far right

Nick, that may be the funniest thing I've ever seen you post here... 
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Fri May 13, 2011 9:46 pm

Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
Nick, that may be the funniest thing I've ever seen you post here...

Especially since you pigeonhole me as a far right nut since I don't agree with your views. That actually was a typo I meant to say far right but if you took the time to know all my views I am probably closer to the center than you are.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 10:11 pm

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Read the article: the market for angry old white men parrotting talking points is literally dying off, while straight talkers like Michael Smerconish are enjoying a boom time.


Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

If you watch MSNBC and they will tell you how they are killing FOX in the ratings too.

As for Michael Smerconish's his ratings were so bad here in Atlanta that he was replaced with a locally produced program.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 10:23 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

If you watch MSNBC and they will tell you how they are killing FOX in the ratings too.

As for Michael Smerconish's his ratings were so bad here in Atlanta that he was replaced with a locally produced program.

I doubt he will be passing Savage or Limbaugh pretty soon. This thread is just a form of frustration about the failure of the fairness Doctrine and the clinging to the hope that the big names that liven up the voting base will somehow go under. Beck was really not a heavy hitter. He never had the staying power Rush has. Doesn't mean all of right leaning talk radio is coming to an end.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Fri May 13, 2011 10:28 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

No, but while DLX always spouts off about how he is middle of the road he always brings these types of "unbiased" stories...

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
If you watch MSNBC and they will tell you how they are killing FOX in the ratings too.

Yep. And DLX believes it too.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
As for Michael Smerconish's his ratings were so bad here in Atlanta that he was replaced with a locally produced program.

Michael who? Never heard of the guy but according to some, he's just about ready to knock off Rush as the ratings leader...
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 12:39 am

Several factors may be affecting Conservative talk radio apparent decline in ratings and interest.

How many people listen to radio anymore? With everyone with an i-Pod they can plug into their car sound system or listen to at work or listening to commercial free Satellite radio, using a 'smart phone' for entertainment rather than talk radio, the ratings are going down due to the growing options available.

Sometimes people get tired of a form or theme of entertainment. Hearing the same themes time after time again, listeners get bored, they tune out or go elsewhere. Just like listening to the same radio station every day, you will hear over the weeks the same 1000 songs over and over in a loop, you will hear their same areas of discussion as well.

Many of these conservative talkers just bash or give simplistic ideas rather than real workable ideas and alternatives. Listeners get tired of frustrated anger, they want to hear real solutions.

Many may agree with them on some issues like tax cuts or cutting government spending, but turn against them because they bash Gays/Lesbians, or Muslims or women or teachers in offensive ways. They may have a family member, co-workers or friends who are of the groups they often bash and feel uncomfortable when their comments so turn them out after a while.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 12):
Do you really think you would get the truth about conservative talk radio ratings from a liberal (progressive/left wing) web site?

I don't see you bringing any facts to the table to contradict this.

So where does that leave you?

All I did was bring an article to discussion. Without being able to refute it, you resort to claiming it must be false because (get this!) yahoo is liberal. Come on man.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
No, but while DLX always spouts off about how he is middle of the road he always brings these types of "unbiased" stories...

False. I do not claim to be middle of the road. I claim to be extremely opinionated, but my opinions fall on either side of the political spectrum. It's called using my brain.  


Anyway, I hope you both realize that neither of you actually responded to the article. What say you?

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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 2:52 am

Ah yes! The end of the infidel conservative right-wing idiotic stupid pea-brained moronic anti-choice backwoods inbred redneck southern bumpkin middle school dropout nutjob propaganda communication is at hand!!



 

Interesting rebuttal from Dan Riehl:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...ight-wing-talk-dead-but-is-it.html
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 3:28 am

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 5):
I may not agree with my conservative friends but I will listen to their POV to fully understand the subject at hand. That's one problem we have. You listen to one side of the argument but not the other. So how can you make a informed decision when you eliminate the other half?

That is the problem with conservative talk radio: Those who listen to it are not willing to listen to any other opinions. Talk of bringing back the fairness doctrine has the right up in arms. Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me: get people to listen to both sides of an argument, then they can make an informed decision. Unlike now where people listen to the right-wing and say "that is how I am going to vote because the talking heads say the left is a bunch of idiots." Well, that is how I feel about the right-wing. No choice in listening to any other opinion becuse if you do, you are an idiot, un-American and should be shouted down with moral indignation.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 3:37 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
That is the problem with conservative talk radio: Those who listen to it are not willing to listen to any other opinions.

Then how do I listen to Rush and then vote for a Dem in the NY election? This is such bunk. Rush's audience probably has just as many indies as people who fly the confederate flag yet you can't admit it.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Talk of bringing back the fairness doctrine has the right up in arms

Why it will never happen.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 3:40 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Those who listen to it are not willing to listen to any other opinions

For the most part I won't disagree with you.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
No choice in listening to any other opinion becuse if you do, you are an idiot, un-American and should be shouted down with moral indignation.

That's where I make sure I have all the information and all the facts in line. (Speech and Debate really did pay off in high school lol) Nothing deflates a blow hard by making them expode and fall because of too much hot air. Let them scream and yell and call me unamerican. I dissent because I believe opposing viewpoints are not only the fabric of our society but what made us who we are as a nation. And hell yes... I will debate until the end of time but I will make sure I am educated on the subject matter at hand. Mind you I may be a liberal in belief but theres a few out there who are no better than their conservative brethren.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 5:11 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Read the article:

I did, perhaps a little broadcasting 101 is in order. Where is your guy Smerconish in terms of what really counts...revenue? Trust me, for every 10 crackheads listening to the local hip hop station there is one affluent person of the same age listening to talk radio and advertisers know that that that one affluent person will actually buy the products that they advertise on talk radio. Now look at markets. How many top 10 markets is Smerconish in compared to Limbaugh or Beck, or Hannity? I think your links author is very very premature in his assumptions. There is a reason that Imus is still on the air, he brings in the cash.

As to his touting the switch of the radio station, KVI is a 5000 watt (day time) class B AM station. Limbaugh left and went KTTH a 50,000 watt (day and night) class A clear channel station. Which one do you think broadcasts farther in the market?

Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
and Beck is going off the air.

Beck is leaving Fox but not his radio show. This is where your link mixes fruit. He mentions Beck and Olberman leaving but fails to make it clear he is now talking about television and not radio.

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
I don't see you bringing any facts to the table to contradict this.

The article that JBirdAVAr linked does all of that and more.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 17):
Interesting rebuttal from Dan Riehl:

Thanks for posting that. I was looking at an hour or more of research and linking and you saved me the time.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Talk of bringing back the fairness doctrine has the right up in arms.

As it should. That is paramount to censorship.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me: get people to listen to both sides of an argument,

Liberal talk show hosts have aired before, and failed miserably in an open and free market of ideas.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 9:11 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
I didn't see any real proof in the article but hey it must be true. Lots of factors play into it but its all good as long as whitey shuts the hell up. Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn. They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map. Don't believe me? ... you should , I see it everyday. Our kids are being programmed to hate the US and the white imperialists... and it is working.

All are part of American history and IMO its better to highlight the dark stuff vs the brilliant accomplishments so the kids of today know where their country has gone wrong. But yes all of it should be taught.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 2:33 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 21):
Liberal talk show hosts have aired before, and failed miserably in an open and free market of ideas.

Look at the history: Small market radio stations were bought by large corporations back in the 1990s. On those small market stations were aired right-wing talk radio. IIRC, not left-wing or opposing views, but right-wing talk radio. Not by choice. Not because "the people" demanded it, but because large corporations decided to air right-wing talk radio. Flash forward to 2011 and right-wing talk radio is everywhere save a handful of stations in large markets. Now right-wingers say with much confidence that left wing talk radio will never succeed. Why? Because people that listen to talk radio come to expect right-wing views.

Quoting dxing (Reply 21):
As it should. That is paramount to censorship.

Kinda like what is going on now. If getting opposing views out is so important (as it was from 2008-2010) why, then, can't left-wing views be imposed on people?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
Rush's audience probably has just as many indies as people who fly the confederate flag yet you can't admit it.

I am not narrowing it down to just one guy. I am talking about right-wing radio and MSM in general. I listen to Rush simply to hear the half-truths, outright lies, and talking points of the right. It makes no difference, anyway. As I have come to learn from the right, if Hannity, Rush, Beck, Coulter, FOX, Palin, et al. say it, it must be true.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 3:11 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
I am not narrowing it down to just one guy

No just one group of people which was horribly off base.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
I listen to Rush simply to hear the half-truths, outright lies, and talking points of the right.

As do I listen to Maddow, O'Donnell and Schultz. What does that matter?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
if Hannity, Rush, Beck, Coulter, FOX, Palin, et al. say it, it must be true.

As it isn't with Maddow, O'Donnell or Schultz. These are all people with an agenda. That agenda is to win elections and to sway opinion. Though from time to to time when I listen to Rush or Savage I do get how they truly feel and I agree wtih their view for a country with smaller government and less spending. Where Maddow and Schultz want a country with huge government control of our day to dat lives which is not what this country is about. All the social issue and name calling is just fluff desgined for effect.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 3:41 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
I listen to Rush simply to hear the half-truths, outright lies, and talking points of the right.



Please give me a example of one of these ....

When I listen to liberal radio hosts like A Colmes , Steph Miller , Shultz .... I cant say they are lying their just wrong .

Here is my lefty talking point list ....
1. Open borders are good and we should give citizenship to illegals here now .
2. Spend more or education ... its proven not to work that well and they still want it.
3. Raise taxes to lower the deficit ... wrong and has never worked .
4. American Foreign policy pisses off Muslims .. not wrong but it is the wrong approach IMO.
5. Government should invest in everything to Make our lives better , cutting spending is BAD .... wrong and does not work .
6 . Whatever Obama does is good ... its just good no matter what ..he is the smartest president ever . He does not agree with Rev Wright or the rapper or Bill Ayers ....they are just causal acquaintances of no consequence .

So where is Rush lying ....
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 4:38 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
1. Open borders are good and we should give citizenship to illegals here now .

Shhh, it's not illegal, It's "undocumented"   

I love this talking point the most. It almost insinuates that the US is at fault for not documenting them properly when the truth of the matter is they have broken the law.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
Spend more or education ... its proven not to work that well and they still want it.

Has nothing to do with education and everything to do with hating successful people. Get them to foot the bill. Education is always a good thing so doesn't matter if we have bad teachers.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
Raise taxes to lower the deficit ... wrong and has never worked .

Raise the taxes on only those evil rich people.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
1. Open borders are good and we should give citizenship to illegals here now .

I have NEVER EVER heard ANY left wing talking person say this. I have heard them say we need to secure the borders and we need to do something about the millions of undocumented workers here but simply giving citizenship? Never heard that at all ever.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
2. Spend more or education ... its proven not to work that well and they still want it.

Riiiiight... Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Japan.... All impoverished and destitute; no one can read or write.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
3. Raise taxes to lower the deficit ... wrong and has never worked .

Excpet until the 1980s.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
4. American Foreign policy pisses off Muslims .. not wrong but it is the wrong approach IMO.

Invading an Islamic nation without cause and using the Koran as a barganing tool. Nah... Nothing to see here. Move along.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
5. Government should invest in everything to Make our lives better , cutting spending is BAD .... wrong and does not work .

Clean water, bad. No chemicals in food. Bad. Pot holes in roadways and crumbling bridges? Bad.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 25):
6 . Whatever Obama does is good ... its just good no matter what ..he is the smartest president ever . He does not agree with Rev Wright or the rapper or Bill Ayers ....they are just causal acquaintances of no consequence .

Why is it whenever Obama is mentioned, so is Wright and Ayers? Who are these people and how often does/did Obama associate with them? What do they have to do with current administration policy?
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 6:09 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
I have NEVER EVER heard ANY left wing talking person say this. I have heard them say we need to secure the borders and we need to do something about the millions of undocumented workers here but simply giving citizenship? Never heard that at all ever

Oh come on. You are being a little disigenius here. The pro left has been all for amnesty and sanctuary cities. I don't understand how you can say on one hand you want to punish the employers who hire illegals but yet say we can't have laws giving police the power to question someone who may be illegal (since that means deportation). It's such a smoke screen. If you support the Dream act you support amnesty. It's that simple. I am not for deporting all the illegals but I will be dammned if they get instant citizenship just because they go to school and are of "good moral character".

No, you can stay here as a legal alien and go back of the line as long as you haven't commited any more crimes. Pay some penalties and back taxes and work toward your citizenship. Doing anything else is just as bad as the employers you claim to want to target or the sanctuary cities you support.

Not to mention I have heard Schultz on his show and radio show say flat out he is for giving all illegals amnesty. I will try to find a link.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 6:34 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 8):
Do you have 3 kids in the school system ? Do you ever follow up on their assignments and look at their text books?

Is your wife a teacher? Do you help her plan lessons? (mine is) I have seen the assignments and the text books and they most definitely do include stuff on Lewis and Clark (seriously, TONS on Lewis and Clark) and a good deal on Vietnam, the world wars, the red scare...etc. Lastly, I'm confused as to why you are outraged that we teach about black history and slavery, could explain to me how teaching about those infringes on the "other" topics in history?
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 7:30 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
I have NEVER EVER heard ANY left wing talking person say this. I have heard them say we need to secure the borders and we need to do something about the millions of undocumented workers here but simply giving citizenship? Never heard that at all ever.



Really ? And you may be right ...they don't say it just like that . They are against enforcement and support sanctuary cities .... so they can have it both ways.

SEB .... its not lies and half truths .... it is philosophical differences of political ideas. I sure don't want your side taken off the air or censured ... but the left sure as heck wants the right silenced .

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 29):
Is your wife a teacher?



No I have 3 kids in school ... I am not married . I would challenge anyone to go up to your average 6th grader .... ask them who Lewis and Clark , Neil Armstrong , General Eisenhower are and who Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King are . My experience is that the civil rights leaders will be known much more often than any other US figure other than maybe George Washington , Abraham Lincoln and certainly Obama .

I am telling you now with out a doubt that the burden of White guilt and separation of the races is being perpetuated in our public schools. I believe that our kids should learn these events ... they should be taught without a doubt. But every single grade level gets a extraordinary does of civil rights and tolerance issues ..no question.

Its pretty simple .... The left has government education / universities and the mainstream press for their message the Right has talk radio and Fox news. Its that simple.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 7:38 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
Now right-wingers say with much confidence that left wing talk radio will never succeed. Why? Because people that listen to talk radio come to expect right-wing views.

No, they say that because anywhere it has been tried in a network situation, it ends up with few affiliates and even less local ad revenue, because no one listens.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):

Kinda like what is going on now

No ones views are being imposed on anyone. Unlike what would happen if the fairness doctrine were re-imposed and stations were forced to give equal time to view points that can't sell themselves in an open market of ideas.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
If getting opposing views out is so important (as it was from 2008-2010) why, then, can't left-wing views be imposed on people?

Because that is censorship. BTW, Air America broadcast network programming from 2004 to 2010. They were so successful they had to file chapter 7 and liquidate themselves. But i suppose the failure is somehow the right wings fault.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
Excpet until the 1980s.

I think you mean the 1990's and even then it wasn't until after 1994 and the GOP take over.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 8:46 pm

What makes much of coservative talk-radio unappealing and off-putting is their MO. Yell, belittle, accuse, lie, etc. If this means more rational conservatives who can back up their arguments without yelling them at me, I'm all for it.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
Not to mention the new generations of the public education kids , they know who Rosa Parks and Al Gore are but never heard of James Madison or John Glenn.

As others have noted, do you have a source for this? You said you see it every day, do you have specific examples that you can share.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
They know all about slavery but have never even heard of Luis and Clark or can point out Viet Nam on a map.

Since the correct spelling is Lewis and Clark, do you know much about them? As for Vietnam, Geography is one area where public education is sorely deficient, and much of it, IMHO, is related to our US-centric attitude. That said, if your children cannot point out Vietnam on a map, I sincerely hope you're pointing it out to them, and teaching them about Geography if you believe that the schools are not doing so.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
Don't believe me?

Not in the least.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 3):
Like Nanny Pelosi say's

Of course. It's all the liberals' fault. Why wouldn't it be? I've said this repeatedly, but if some of you woke up to the fact that problems aren't solved when we live our lives in a blindly partisan fashion, constantly blaming the other side for all of society's ills. The dire of state of public education is everyone's concern, and both sides are to blame for the fact that kids in the country are being out-tested by kids in other (especially Asian) countries.

Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
When they talk to me, I listen. When they yell at me, or try to delegitimize me, I don't.

  

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 17):
Ah yes! The end of the infidel conservative right-wing idiotic stupid pea-brained moronic anti-choice backwoods inbred redneck southern bumpkin middle school dropout nutjob propaganda communication is at hand!!

Yes if it means the end of that brand of conservative, then it'll be a good thing. There are so many intelligent, articulate conservatives out there who can argue their viewpoint without yelling and belittling. Why not get behind them rather than those who choose to divide such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, et al.?

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 9):
I'd like for you to provide us a specific example of what you consider "programming" that's sourced from something your own children did during February. It's only been three months, it shouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see what you're talking about, since you are saying that you see "programming" in it.

Agreed. Haven't seen anything posted yet. I'm looking forward to seeing some specific examples brought to the debate.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 8:47 pm

Meanwhile back at the ranch...


we were talking about how the traditional conservative talk radio audience is shrinking. What say you, AGM?
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 9:38 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
I don't see you bringing any facts to the table to contradict this.
Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
we were talking about how the traditional conservative talk radio audience is shrinking. What say you, AGM?



For some reason I can't post the link but if you do a search for Talkers Magazine (a non-partisan industry publication) April 2011 "Top Talk Radio Audiences" and you will see all the talk radio hosts that have over 1 millions listeners a week.

Rush Limbaugh has 15 million and Michael Smerconish is not on the list. A check of the same list in 2005 listed Mr. Limbaugh's audience as 13.5 million. So in the last six years his audience has gone up?
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 9:51 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 30):
I would challenge anyone to go up to your average 6th grader .... ask them who Lewis and Clark , Neil Armstrong , General Eisenhower are and who Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King are .

If the 6th graders at the school that your children attend do not know who Lewis and Clark, Neil Armstrong and General Eisenhower, then that school is obviously horrendously inadequate and I strongly suggest that you switch your children out of it as quickly as possible.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 9:56 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 32):
If this means more rational conservatives who can back up their arguments without yelling them at me, I'm all for it.

Exactly.

  

Quoting 474218 (Reply 34):
Rush Limbaugh has 15 million and Michael Smerconish is not on the list.

Oh, I'm not saying that Smerconish is about to knock Limbaugh off, and neither is the article. It's saying that the number of people listening to Limbaugh and his clones is decreasing year over year.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 10:08 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 36):
It's saying that the number of people listening to Limbaugh and his clones is decreasing year over year.


So if Limbaugh had 13.5 million listeners in 2005 and 15.0 million in 2011 who lost listeners?
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sat May 14, 2011 11:35 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
P.S. It's LEWIS and Clark. I'm normally not a pedant for others' spelling and grammar, but if you're going to knock education and the fact that kids "don't know stuff these days" then I do expect you to know how to spell it.

Thanks for my laugh of the day.

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 29):
and the text books and they most definitely do include stuff on Lewis and Clark (seriously, TONS on Lewis and Clark)

Glad to know your kids learn about Lewis and Clark. I hope they also learn that Alexander Mackenzie beat them to the Pacific by 12 years, overland, at Bella Coola (1793). And I also hope they learn that without the precise maps provided by David Thomson of the Missouri River area, they might never have found the Columbia.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sun May 15, 2011 12:03 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 37):

So if Limbaugh had 13.5 million listeners in 2005 and 15.0 million in 2011 who lost listeners?

Your use of selective stats is striking.

from the article:
Rush’s ranking has declined decisively over the past five years among advertisers’ coveted 25-54 age group. For example, in Charlotte, North Carolina, Rush fell from sixth to 12th between 2005 and 2010. In Portland, Oregon, he fell from fourth to eighth. In San Francisco, he’s seen a similar decline.

Furthermore, the point of the article is not limited to Rush Limbaugh. It says that the entire right-wing talk radio market is faltering. Even if it were true that Limbaugh's numbers were unchanged, that would not mean that listenership for the industry is down as a whole.
 
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sun May 15, 2011 5:44 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 36):
Oh, I'm not saying that Smerconish is about to knock Limbaugh off, and neither is the article. It's saying that the number of people listening to Limbaugh and his clones is decreasing year over year.

And I would agree with you. Rush's numbers fluctuate with the election cycle. 2006 was a big year for him as was 2008 and 2010. I expect 2012 to be another big year. But the author of the article does not cite any arbitron numbers to back up his claims, just generalities, and as the rebuttal article in reply 17 makes plain, he fudged what numbers he did provide.

Quoting D L X (Reply 39):
Rush’s ranking has declined decisively over the past five years among advertisers’ coveted 25-54 age group. For example, in Charlotte, North Carolina, Rush fell from sixth to 12th between 2005 and 2010. In Portland, Oregon, he fell from fourth to eighth. In San Francisco, he’s seen a similar decline.

That age demographic is counted about 10 ways IIRC, I'd be interested to know which segment he was using. Perhaps some arbitron mining is in order.
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RE: The End Is Near For Conservative Talk Radio

Sun May 15, 2011 2:32 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
we were talking about how the traditional conservative talk radio audience is shrinking. What say you, AGM?



Im not worried ... simply because it is a choice of the people . If they don't want to listen anymore then that is the way the market goes , the providers will have too innovate. Its not NPR and MSNBC, who need financial pumping up continually to stay in business . It may fail ...and that is the way of free market.

Talk Radio is a forum that exists only because people choose to listen to it . No government subsidies ...no help from politicians , big money supporters or bureaucrats . If is fades away and dies that is the way it goes.

My take ...its just a down period right now ... people are burned out on politics and Obama . It will heat back up again .
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