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Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Tue May 17, 2011 10:05 pm

Going to Buenos Aires (and probably across the river to Uruguay for a bit). I would love to hear from people who live there, or are familiar with the area who have some tips about some of the not-so-obvious things to do. Also...I think we're going to a Boca Juniors match! Tips on how not to get eaten alive would be nice  
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Wed May 18, 2011 2:17 am

I spent a week in BsAs in 2006 before moving to China for a couple of years. I loved it. If you are not planning to, book an overnight (at least) to Iguacu Falls on the Brazil/Paraguay/Argentine border. Amazing beyond belief.

In BsAs look for a real tango school -- one that locals would go to, not the super touristy kind.

I would also suggest a day trip out to El Tigre -- an interesting far suburb of Buenos Aires.

We took a day to take the ferry to Colonia, Uruguay. It's a heritage city and all but I didn't feel the magic.

Lovely, lovely city. Beautiful people that are so friendly and helpful. Hold up a map if you want to meet someone.
 
AR385
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 7:54 am

Buenos Aires is the most beautiful city in Latin America. By far. However, its criminal index is among the highest. I´d suggest that all your tours be done during the day. At night, only go out on a taxi (Remís) contracted with your hotel, to places that are not off the beaten path.

Sources:

http://www.clarin.com/
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/?origen=metarefresh

People in Buenos Aires are shot to death for $200 USD. Or you may be subject to the "secuestro express", where they will pick you up and give you a round tour of the city through all the ATM´s you can get money out of.

So, be safe.The best sights are during the day. Be sure to hire a car from your hotel and be as careful as you will be in any other big city.

You can see:

La Casa Rosada
La Catedral
The annex where in La Catedral San Martin remains are, as he was a Mason, he is "technically" not buried in the Cathedral

La plaza de Mayo
Florida street, but be careful there, many pick pockets, some with knives.
La Plaza San Martín
San Telmo barrio, but go there on Saturday or Sunday
River or Boca stadium, worth a visit. If you want go during a game, be prepared for geting your nose broken
The airplane museum next to AEP. One of the best of its kind in the world
The Boca barrio, nothing like that in the world.

As for shows:

Try and get shows for Antonio Gasalla. You´ll laugh until you piss.
Tango shows, it depends, do you want the ones for tourists or for the real tango dancers? Your concierge in your hotel will be able to help you with that.

But make no mistake Bs As is a dangerous city and you need to assume that and be careful.

Regards.
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 8:50 am

Buenos Aires is my favorite city on the planet. I spent 5 weeks there in the summer of 2009, and am heading back in October.

Palermo is the nightlife capital of BA. Easily accessible on the D Line of the Subte (the Palermo and Plaza Italia stops), there is a lot of really cool stuff to see there.

I spent most of my time in the northern barrios (neighborhoods), which are significantly more middle and upper class than the southern barrios, and each one has a lot of really neat things about it. Recoleta is very ritzy, but very heavily influenced by the French. You can particularly see this in the architecture of the barrio. I lived in Belgrano, which is quite a ways from El Microcentro, where the Casa Rosada is, but is very, very nice. Lots of trees and parks make it not quite as urban as some of the other areas.

San Telmo, and La Boca are both must-sees, but I really recommend staying on the main touristy streets in La Boca, as even one block off, crime starts to rise dramatically. AR385 is right that BA can be dangerous, but at no point did I ever feel unsafe (part of that comes from staying in the places that I did...the northern parts tend to be safer). Just be smart, don't be flashy and try to stand out too much. Also, if you take the Subte at any time that's even remotely close to rush hour, be prepared to have your personal bubble invaded. It's just the way things are done in BA, but the subways get packed like sardine cans. Try and grab a seat, you'll have more space, and you're a lot less likely to get pickpocketed. It's worth waiting the 5 extra minutes for the next train to be at the front of the line and grab a seat (assuming you're at the end of the lines, which all converge on downtown).

Also, no matter what anyone else (here or elsewhere) tells you, you want to be a River fan, not Boca!   

It is a lovely city, and you definitely won't regret your time there. If you do take the ferry over to Colonia, make sure you eat at a place called El Drugstore, right in the heart of the town. It's so colorful, and the food is absolutely to die for.

Enjoy! I'm very jealous!

Cheers,
Cameron
Cheers,
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 8:57 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 2):
La Casa Rosada
La Catedral
The annex where in La Catedral San Martin remains are, as he was a Mason, he is "technically" not buried in the Cathedral

La plaza de Mayo
Florida street, but be careful there, many pick pockets, some with knives.
La Plaza San Martín
San Telmo barrio, but go there on Saturday or Sunday
River or Boca stadium, worth a visit. If you want go during a game, be prepared for geting your nose broken
The airplane museum next to AEP. One of the best of its kind in the world
The Boca barrio, nothing like that in the world.

Additionally, all of these are correct.

Other places to go and see/do:

-Recoleta cemetery. Eva Perón is buried there (after they got her back), and it's pretty amazing.
-Take a ride on one of the old subway cars on Linea A
-Puerto Madero-very chic and modern part of BA on the dikes. Lots of neat/good places to eat (although a lot of them are pretty pricey). Also strongly recommend the nature preserve on the other side of the dikes.
-The Zoo

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 1):
Hold up a map if you want to meet someone.

   I was amazed for a city of 13 million people how friendly they are. BA compares to NYC in a lot of ways, but the dichotomy between the pace of an urban center and the slow feeling of a Latin locale is really interesting. The people are really, really nice, and perfectly willing to help you if you need it. Stark contrast to NYC, in my opinion.

Cheers,
Cameron
Cheers,
Cameron
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 9:25 am

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 4):
-Recoleta cemetery. Eva Perón is buried there (after they got her back), and it's pretty amazing.

Forgot about that. Look for José Hernández crypt, he is my great, great granfather and on certain days they willl give you a copy of "El Martín Fierro", his Magnum Opus for free.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 3):
Palermo is the nightlife capital of BA. Easily accessible on the D Line of the Subte (the Palermo and Plaza Italia stops), there is a lot of really cool stuff to see there.

I agree with that, but you better be able to have the bucks because it´s a very expensive area. Same thing about the Recoleta. No problem if you are willing to pay $10USD for an expresso in a two dime coffe place.
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 9:47 am

Quoting luckyone (Thread starter):


Great topic. You beat me to it.
I'll am planning a trip to South America next spring and I plan on going to Buenos Aires.
This will be my first time so I have no idea what to expect.

I've heard great things about their steak. really want to taste Argentine steak.
What is the social scene like?
I want to meat the girls down there too.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 12:03 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I want to meat the girls down there too.

Well before you meat the girls, you might want to meet them  
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 5:21 pm

If you do cross the river to Uruguay...you could choose either Colonia (the closest), Montevideo, or Punta Del Este....all of those are served from BA in either ferry (Buquebus) or airplane (BQB Lineas Aereas, Pluna, Aerolineas Argentinas, SOL)

Colonia: Is the oldest town in Uruguay...there are many museums and vintage stuff.

Montevideo: A city I'd visit during summer and not winter  ... oh well...since I assume you're taking a day-trip to Uruguay...if Montevideo is chosen....be sure to try out the Uruguayan beef...and then compare it versus the Argentinian's..  There are many things to do in MVD and the best way to get around in the city is with Taxi

Punta Del Este: Is more like the Dubai of Uruguay and/or South America  . It's a very modern and touristic friendly city but hotels are not easy to find during summer and they are not cheap either...

When are you heading down there?
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 5:41 pm

Speaking of girls, according to a man who travels around the world meeting women and writing about his experiences, Argentina was fairly low on his favorite-country list. While the women can be quite beautiful, they tend to be wary of strange men and often come across as cold and uninterested.
http://www.rooshv.com/
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 8:46 pm

Quoting PROSA (Reply 9):
While the women can be quite beautiful, they tend to be wary of strange men and often come across as cold and uninterested.

I´ll pass that on to mom and get back to you.
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 23, 2011 9:07 pm

There not cold. All you need is to be a future European monarch, the most popular male Hollywood actor of current times, a multimillonaire banker, a pop vocal heartthrob, Al Pacino, Robert Duvall... and those are the ones I can remember. Meet those criteria, they are very cute and cuddly. Otherwise, you better look really really really good.

I guess it's speaks both well and bad about them.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Tue May 24, 2011 11:36 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 7):
Well before you meat the girls, you might want to meet them

I'd like to do both.  
Quoting PROSA (Reply 9):
they tend to be wary of strange men

Luckily I'm not strange.

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
Otherwise, you better look really really really good.

I am very good looking.   

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 1):
Iguacu Falls on the Brazil/Paraguay/Argentine border. Amazing beyond belief.

That I would love to see!
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Wed May 25, 2011 3:04 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I want to meat the girls down there too.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
I'd like to do both.

A little gift to Superfly. The woman below is my cousin. She is a model in BsAs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBy24...playnext=1&list=PLF58BCDFDBDCCF343

In the above video, she is the one dresses in the wedding gown. Enjoy.

Quoting PROSA (Reply 9):
Speaking of girls, according to a man who travels around the world meeting women and writing about his experiences, Argentina was fairly low on his favorite-country list. While the women can be quite beautiful, they tend to be wary of strange men and often come across as cold and uninterested.
http://www.rooshv.com/

In my opinion, and having met my cousin and her friends, this guy either did not got to Buenos Aires or met the wrong crowd.

[Edited 2011-05-24 20:42:32]
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Wed May 25, 2011 8:49 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
I am very good looking.

Argentine girls tend to like lighter skinned, athletic kind of guys. I went there with my then-gf and now wife, but according to the rest of the group and the argentines we meet in BsAs that's the general feeling.

If you're looking for girls first and foremost, better try Brazil.
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Wed May 25, 2011 3:40 pm

Quoting JJJ (Reply 14):
If you're looking for girls first and foremost, better try Brazil.

I still don't get why many foreigners think they can go to another country and think the women will inevitably succumb for them, be it Brazil, Ukraine, Thailand, or whatever. Look at this guy simply baffled that Swedish girls weren't paying him the attention:

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=37132#

Now women in other countries do succumb to me, but that's because I do not try at all now. And that's probably why, since I'm not interested in dating.

AR385, next time there's a fashion show at one of the local malls I'll have to check it out now...
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Wed May 25, 2011 10:41 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 2):
However, its criminal index is among the highest. I´d suggest that all your tours be done during the day

Sorry, I can't let this one pass by - it's actually among the lowest, with SCL, MVD.

If you do not agree with the government, that's one thing, just don't go tainting the whole country because of your political stance.

You might find this useful: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/noticias/...seguridad_percepcion_real_vh.shtml

It looks to me that you buy Clarin's crap. There is a problem, but safety levels are nowhere NEAR as low as CCS, GRU, GIG... or many other latinamerican cities.

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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 2:00 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 16):
Sorry, I can't let this one pass by - it's actually among the lowest, with SCL, MVD.

If you do not agree with the government, that's one thing, just don't go tainting the whole country because of your political stance.

Exactly how I felt, in Baires there is crime alright but it hits those who ask for it more often than not. Just dont draw any attention to yourself and you should be fine.

My friend who just moved to Buenos Aires started getting nervous in the Subway duing rush hour because we were speaking English. There are many Americans in Buenos Aires so speaking English really wont draw too much attention unless your in smaller cities deeper in the country.

Have a great time in Buenos Aires! Im sure you will enjoy it!
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 3:53 am

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 17):
My friend who just moved to Buenos Aires started getting nervous in the Subway duing rush hour because we were speaking English. There are many Americans in Buenos Aires so speaking English really wont draw too much attention unless your in smaller cities deeper in the country.

I also found AR385 comments of BA having ''highest'' crime rates slightly strange, I mean besides maybe Chile, Canada and Bolivia or something like that, what other place has lower crime rates? However there is a problem in Buenos Aires with criminality, not so much in the Autonomous City but rather in the famous Conurbano (the suburban region), which is absolutely huge, I read somewhere Buenos Aires has half the population of Sao Paulo and Mexico City yet it's urban region is just as big or bigger.

Neighborhoods are sprawing and spread out, the homes are not all bunched together but have lots of space. That's where some of the criminal situation is bad, because there is so much space to operate and some areas of the ''2nd suburban belt'' are very marginalized from good jobs.

However, most tourist will never visit the suburbs, good or bad ones, the glaring exception perhaps Tigre and the Delta.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 3:56 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 13):

She is so hot, she made my computer crash.  Wow!
Thanks. Would be nice to meet just about any local in Argentina, male or female.
A cute lady like her would make the trip more interesting. I'd be just as happy meeting some local aviation geeks in Buenos Aires as well.  
Quoting JJJ (Reply 14):
If you're looking for girls first and foremost, better try Brazil.

My main purpose to visit Argentina is the food and to just see the place. Not really looking to hook up.

Quoting Derico (Reply 15):
I still don't get why many foreigners think they can go to another country and think the women will inevitably succumb for them,

Only an idiot would do that. I do see some foreigner guys here in Thailand expecting that and are shocked when the local girls aren't interested.

Quoting Derico (Reply 15):
Now women in other countries do succumb to me, but that's because I do not try at all now.

Same here.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 4:09 am

^^
Having several strange sounds *languages* come out of your mouth tends to highly impress them.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 4:16 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 20):
Having several strange sounds *languages* come out of your mouth tends to highly impress them.

So I should speak Thai or Spanish with a fake Thai accent?
That should throw them for a loop. 
Or maybe a fake Cuban accent. It helped sway a security guard at a boneyard across from SVO in Moscow to see some old abandoned aircraft. You can ask Tu204 about that one.  


Question about Aerolenas Argentina.
Do they fly their A340-200 to Sidney?
What do they fly to Madrid?
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 5:19 am

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportPDF.aspx?cid=10748
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/19/argentina.crime/
http://journals.worldnomads.com/safe...ry/72611/Argentina/Argentina-Crime
http://argentina.rica24.com/en/crime-argentina.html

Excerpt from first link:

"Officially reported, country-wide full range crime statistics are not available, but indications
regarding the scope of the crime rate and typical crimes are available.
The Buenos Aires district attorney's office reports that although its reported crime cases fell
from 2008 to 2009, robbery and theft held steady at about 53 percent and 35 percent of its
yearly caseload. Statistics for 2010 are not available as of this report date. A November 2009
study by the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) found that about 36 percent of the
respondents reported that they or a member of their household had been the victim of a crime
in the twelve months prior to being contacted for the survey (with violent robbery being the
most frequent)."

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 16):
Sorry, I can't let this one pass by - it's actually among the lowest, with SCL, MVD.
Quoting Derico (Reply 18):
I also found AR385 comments of BA having ''highest'' crime rates slightly strange, I mean besides maybe Chile, Canada and Bolivia or something like that, what other place has lower crime rates?

When I wrote what I wrote, I was not speaking about all of Argentina. I was talking about Buenos Aires. If you bother to read my first link, the whole report, you will see that crime in Buenos Aires is a serious problem, and the reason the murder rate is not higher is because people do not resist as in other countries. I never said that its crime rate is comparable to CCS or the other cities you mention, but it is among the highest.

The article you cite, MD11Junkie is geared towards murder. I never mentioned murder as being among the highest problems in Bs As. But the BBC piece says that the degree of insecurity the Argentine feels in Latina America is second only to Peru´s. It also goes on to say that government statistics on crime are not trustworthy, which by the way, is the second source in this post where this is mentioned. This ought to tell you something.

The weird things is that this fits not only with the "Clarin crap I buy" but what my family over there and my friends also tell me. I stand by my statement.

As for the rest of your comments

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 16):
If you do not agree with the government, that's one thing, just don't go tainting the whole country because of your political stance.

I could care less about the Argentine government. And again, I never spoke of Argentina, so your "don´t go tainting the whole country because of my political stance" you may wish to take it back. I was only talking about Bs As. But:

Do I think it is becoming a country with a weak president with a cacique style of government with legally questionable union alliances (the ones that still listen to her) as well as a nepotist streak with "La Cámpora" governing unofficially an entire province as well as putting incompetent people in key government posts, not to mention the CEO of AR being one of the best friends of Cristina´s son?

Do I think its economy is rapidly becoming unsustainable at this stage and hanging on by a thread though all the money they are printing?

Do I think Chavez is being allowed an undue influence which was not there when Néstor was alive? (and don´t think I´m vulgar enough for this to mean I´m implying he is Cristina´s "lover") I´m talking about other issues.

Yes to all. But you know what, I´m entitled to my opinion. You opened the door, and I´m responding to you.

Quoting Derico (Reply 15):
AR385, next time there's a fashion show at one of the local malls I'll have to check it out now...
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
She is so hot, she made my computer crash.

To be fair, those pictures are from 2005/6, when she was 19. Sorry Derico, she is no longer doing shows at shopping malls. Mostly she spends her time in NYC and Paris and does a lot of magazine covers. I´ll try and get some more recent pics. And by the way, the pictures were posted with her consent and the moderators.

MD11Junkie I´ll be happy to read other media than Clarin, La Nación, Los Andes and MDZ if you could kindly point them out to me.

Regards.

[Edited 2011-05-25 22:40:25]
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 5:37 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
What do they fly to Madrid?

I believe they exclusively fly the 744 to MAD
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 6:08 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):
But the BBC piece says that the degree of insecurity the Argentine feels in Latina America is second only to Peru´s. It also goes on to say that government statistics on crime are not trustworthy, which by the way, is the second source in this post where this is mentioned.

I don't trust gov stats. But I do trust Mendoza gov statistics. People in Mendoza and Argentina are very inward. They care little about learning of the outside world. They have no idea how criminal activity develops elsewhere, and feed the mass-hysteria about Argentina being just about the most crime ridden plot of land on the planet. It should say a lot, taking your statistic, Argentines feel more insecure than anyone else in the Americas, yet tourists from the rest of the region and the USA for the most part feel at complete ease. Geez the tourists even stroll on their bikes along the winery roads in Mendoza, and I wonder about that myself!

Both are totally incosistent with each other. The truth is somewhere in between. ''Opinion'' polls are to be completely tossed because in Argentina everyone is a proffessional sensationalist. We are either the best or the worst, when we are neither at much of anything except exageration.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 23):
she is no longer doing shows at shopping malls.

Oh well, I wasn't really interested anyways. Ha!
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 7:55 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 15):
I still don't get why many foreigners think they can go to another country and think the women will inevitably succumb for them, be it Brazil, Ukraine, Thailand, or whatever

Not "inevitably", just being open to foreigners.

The US, New Zealand, London or Norway are great places to hook up with locals and have an adventure, Italians generally have quite some success with Spanish girls (to the bafflement of locals). Not 'inevitably succumb' but the exotic factor plays in your favour rather than against.

In any case, it's years since partying was a factor in my trips, so my experience is several years outdated.
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 9:24 am

Quoting JJJ (Reply 25):
The US, New Zealand, London or Norway are great places to hook up with locals and have an adventure,

I was a great unofficial tour guide the years I lived in San Francisco.  
I had more fun and hooked up with many European girls at home in San Francisco than in Europe.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 25):
In any case, it's years since partying was a factor in my trips, so my experience is several years outdated.

Nothing has changed.
People like things that are different.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Thu May 26, 2011 11:57 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 18):

However, most tourist will never visit the suburbs, good or bad ones, the glaring exception perhaps Tigre and the Delta.

Exactly, Greater Buenos Aires or as they all say "en Provincia" things are very different when it comes to crime. But as you said most tourists go into the Federal Capital so it dosent matter. We visit friends in Ciudad Evita near EZE and the differences are seen and felt.
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Fri May 27, 2011 1:11 am

Thanks everybody!!!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Great topic. You beat me to it.
I'll am planning a trip to South America next spring and I plan on going to Buenos Aires.
This will be my first time so I have no idea what to expect.

I've heard great things about their steak. really want to taste Argentine steak.
What is the social scene like?
I want to meat the girls down there too.

I can probably help you with all the best last one   In about three weeks, when I get back, I will definitely have a trip journal, and may possibly by that time have a trip report (Delta Economy + I want the first real TR, nobody spoil that for me!!!!!!).

Quoting bill142 (Reply 7):
Well before you meat the girls, you might want to meet them

                          
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Fri May 27, 2011 3:02 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 28):
I can probably help you with all the best last one In about three weeks, when I get back, I will definitely have a trip journal, and may possibly by that time have a trip report (Delta Economy + I want the first real TR, nobody spoil that for me!!!!!!).

I look forward to reading your report.  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I'll am planning a trip
Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I want to meat the girls down there too.

Gosh my English is getting bad!   
I'm starting to speak Engrish.

That was to say; "I am planning a trip....."
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Fri May 27, 2011 6:14 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 24):
taking your statistic, Argentines feel more insecure than anyone else in the Americas, yet tourists from the rest of the region and the USA for the most part feel at complete ease. Geez the tourists even stroll on their bikes along the winery roads in Mendoza, and I wonder about that myself!

Again. I am not talking nor was I ever talking about nor did I ever did research on Mendoza. My response was to what somebody asked about Bs As. In any case, just as you, my family is from Mendoza. I spent, as you know, most of December there. Perhaps you are right, perhaps you are not. But my family went ballistic when they found out I repeatedly went out at 3AM and walked out onto San Martin all the way to La Peatonal, then on to Las Heras, and returned through Patricias. Some of my cousins told me it was a "miracle " I was not being mugged or if I was suicidal. I never saw anything suspicious, dangerous, or strange. And I saw a lot of police walking in pairs at night.

And please, don´t say "my statistic", that statistic came out from Md11Junkie´s link.

The truth is that there is no better city in the world, next to Paris, than Mendoza, to walk at night. But Buenos Aires is another story, and I would never dare to do my walks at night there, as I did them in Mendoza.

Quoting Derico (Reply 24):
Both are totally incosistent with each other. The truth is somewhere in between. ''Opinion'' polls are to be completely tossed because in Argentina everyone is a proffessional sensationalist. We are either the best or the worst, when we are neither at much of anything except exageration.

I would not know about that. I do know that opinion polls after a certain sample number do reflect important societal ideas, and reasonings, and are an instrument on every major nation on Earth. Are you saying the Argentine is a strange type of citizen where this type of global urban planning instrument does not work?

On a lighter, note, completely irrelevant and only with a fun intention:

Quoting Derico (Reply 15):
AR385, next time there's a fashion show at one of the local malls I'll have to check it out now...
Quoting Derico (Reply 24):
Oh well, I wasn't really interested anyways. Ha!

So, which is it?
 
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 30, 2011 3:30 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 30):
I would not know about that. I do know that opinion polls after a certain sample number do reflect important societal ideas, and reasonings, and are an instrument on every major nation on Earth. Are you saying the Argentine is a strange type of citizen where this type of global urban planning instrument does not work?

Yes, I am in fact. You read the newspapers, then read the comment section. Do you see one lonely solitary meaningful, thought out comment there? If there is a news story about a baby tragically drowning, it's Cristina's fault. If you read about some mass unrest in Europe, it's Macri's fault. I invite you to read those comments... it's all reactionary, sensationalized, no rational thought put forth to comment on the news story presented. It's all drama, all day long. Online, and in the street.

If you ask Argentines in a survey ''which is the most insecure country in the WORLD''... do you have any doubt which one they'll choose?? Do you know the Argentine mufa?? Would it be an ''accurate'' survey?? Sorry, but I've travelled enough to know that Argentines are full of it when it comes to crime histeria. There is a DIFFERENCE between being genuingly concerned about crime and taking precautions, and letting it run your life with fear, paranoia and bitterness. Which is what many have decided it to be, not because it is how it should be, but because it is all theatrics for the tv cameras and blogger fodder. A sort of' ''aww, feel sorry for us we have it so bad here... I wanna move to Kabul where I feel safe''. Trully pathetic.

And I was joking about your cousin, it's not like she would give me the light of day anyway!! Of course I would be interested, if I was dating, but I'm not and have not interest in it. So it was all in humour.

Quoting bill142 (Reply 7):
Well before you meat the girls, you might want to meet them

He got confused by this:




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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 30, 2011 5:24 pm

Well,

I live here since August.... I used to love this city and now I dont so much. Probably my reasons are not valid for not visiting, as I will agree that there are many things to do in this place. Its full of cultural events, theatres, libraries, etc. More than anywhere I´ve been in the world... or so it seems to me.

Regarding crime... well, as with many cities you just have to be slightly careful, but I have walked home (and I dont live in Recoleta) completely drunk and nothing has happened to me, nor has it happened to anyone I know here, so sure, there are unsafe places... but you should be very fine. There are a lot worse places to visit (caracas, mexico city, etc).

What I dont like about this country is very subtle and hard to explain. People are friendly, but not entirely open to making new friends. I find them very Italian in the sense that they have their groups from many years and its difficult to enter their circles... so people will be friendly to you and then ignore you if you run to them in the street. Also, and this is more difficult to explain... there is a negative energy around... like they expect things not to work out, like the economy, or young people moving out from their parents house, etc. etc. .... and at first glance you might think they are ok with those things and that they accept them... but when you talk to them more, you feel this negativity and hidden bitterness that I´ve come to dislike very much. Someone described Buenos Aires as something like a fun old woman..... Me? I find her fun, but slightly bitter and going nowhere. Thats me, though.
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RE: Buenos Aires -- Off The Beaten Path

Mon May 30, 2011 9:04 pm

BA's always been like that, for ever. That's what I said before... it even has it's own Lunfardo Language word, it's called the mufa. Definition:

Mufa: Mal humor, fastidio, ánimo decaído, mala suerte. Ding! Ding! Ding!

Porteños always complain about everything, nothing is ever right. I mean sure there are plenty of valid reasons one could give for that attitude. But are life's problems any different there in than most other places, even in the same country?? Argentines, but most particularly around the River Plate, are known for always finding fault and complaining. It's one of the first things other Latin Americans tell me about what they have seen of us: ''you guys are always seemingly unhappy, complaining... always talk like you are arguing''. And it's gold-darn true$I@$! This is a common national trait but it is less so outside BA and much less in the north, where people ar more ''ce la vie'' about things.

And that is why I told AR385 that opinion polls have to be worded EXTREMELY carefully here or you will get a completely ''mufado'' result. AR385 says Mendoza is safer than Buenos Aires. It is somewhat, yet if you ask Mendocinos they will say it's just as a bad as in Buenos Aires... that's my point, there is no perspective even within the country, let alone a perspective about crime in almost every other country in this hemisphere, where it's worse. Yet people live their lives there and are not as histerical about it.

As for friends, yeah we are very conservative. I remember reading about Argentines and their vacation habits. Many will go back to the same place year after year and never try anything new. I had a friend's family like that. Every solitary year it was off on the car for the 20-24 hour drive to Miramar... and every year it was the same beach town!

It depends on how you approach things I guess. We are curteous person to person (not inside a car), but it's true it's hard to get past first gear in the friendships with many. Travrelled foreigners see us as ''colder'' than Colombians, Venezuelans, Brazilians, Mexicans... who are always ready for a good time. Not so in Argentina, but it's all relative, compared to Europe it's probably the other way around.
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