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Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 3:02 pm

If this poor woman had waited for help there's no telling what that scum would have done.
She did the right thing and saved us taxpayers some money as well. Good for her!

Here's the link to this mornings Atlanta Journal:

http://m.ajc.com/news/gwinnett/woman-i-shot-him-951065.html
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 3:15 pm

Quoting ImperialEagle (Thread starter):


If this poor woman had waited for help there's no telling what that scum would have done.
She did the right thing and saved us taxpayers some money as well. Good for her!

She's a statistical outlier who is lucky that he didn't manage to have a gun or it would have ended very differently.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
She's a statistical outlier

Questionable and immaterial. You take her gun away and you are to blame for her incapability of defending herself.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 4:17 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
She's a statistical outlier who is lucky that he didn't manage to have a gun or it would have ended very differently.

Statistics or not Doc, he didn't have a gun. Bottom line, she did and it ended well. I don't know if she had proper firearms training, I hope she did and continues to properly and safely maintain a firearm, to include refresher training and practice. You know from my previous posts I'm a big proponent of that.

Score one for the good guys, errr, girls!

And please All, lets not get into another pro-gun, anti gun argument. We've done enough of that on here.

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Thu May 19, 2011 5:10 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
She's a statistical outlier who is lucky that he didn't manage to have a gun or it would have ended very differently.

Shame on you.



Horrible experience, quite happy it ended the way it did. Can you imagine opening the shower curtain to see a man with a knife right next to you? Horrible. This has been all over the news the past few days, and earlier a neighbor of hers said on the radio the woman shot the man 9 times, but he kept on running.
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Thu May 19, 2011 5:20 pm

Quote:
“I shot him as much as I could,” said the woman. “I shot him with a .22 but he just kept running.

She's lucky she got him down with a .22 - those little peashooters generally just piss off your attacker. Any calibre that doesn't start with a "4" in front of it just ain't enough.

But I congratulate her for the presence of mind to keep shooting until he finally did go down. A lot of women tend to fire once and then look to see what effect it had. When my wife took her concealed carry course, she asked the instructor (a cop) at what point should she cease fire if she is attacked. His answer (exact words, as I recall): "When you run out of bullets. Dead people can't sue you."

For you non-americans here, yes, bad guys have been known to break into your house, get themselves shot and perhaps permanently disabled, and then sue you for the disability.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 5:42 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 4):

Shame on you.



Horrible experience, quite happy it ended the way it did. Can you imagine opening the shower curtain to see a man with a knife right next to you? Horrible. This has been all over the news the past few days, and earlier a neighbor of hers said on the radio the woman shot the man 9 times, but he kept on running.

No, shame on YOU for not understanding doc´s point, that just because one case, or few cases end up well, it does not make owning a gun a good idea, but it is a futile effort to make some people to understand this...
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 6):

Yes, so lets let this woman DIE because others don't know how to use a gun. I'm sure the Doc has seen or knows about the aftermath that rape victims have to live with - if they survived.

Giving somebody a death sentence because you stole the tools that they need to survive is cruel, cold, and heartless. Plain and simple.

That's all I will say. Feel free to PM me if you want to make an additional point, or open a new thread so we don't take this off topic.

I commend the lady for having a gun and knowing how to use it - although she did have the wrong calibre, as Dreadnought said:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
Any calibre that doesn't start with a "4" in front of it just ain't enough.
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Thu May 19, 2011 6:54 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
or it would have ended very differently.

So could have the Osama raid but it didn't. Well equipped and knowledge of how to use usually means the bad guys die in a hail of gunfire.


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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Thu May 19, 2011 7:51 pm

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 6):
No, shame on YOU for not understanding doc´s point,

Actually, I believe he and the rest of us that believe we have the right to defend ourselves, do understand Doc's point and believe it is irrelevant and somewhat misleading.

People defend themselves all the time with firearms. I suppose that many times, the mere presence of the firearm deters the crime. Do we read about those? Of course not. We will always read about the person that failed in the attempt to defend her/himself with a firearm, because that fits the narrative.

Try Googling "armed citizen" and see what you come up with.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
When my wife took her concealed carry course, she asked the instructor (a cop) at what point should she cease fire if she is attacked.

Many books that deal with concealed carry suggest that you continue to fire until the threat has stopped. In the absence of being able to determine whether the threat has stopped or not, you fire until you can't fire anymore. That does not mean you reload and pump more into the attacker, it means you shoot until the threat has ended.

Great job for the woman for keeping her wits about herself and having the tools and ability to defend herself. Kudos to the State of Georgia for allowing her the option to arm herself.
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Fri May 20, 2011 2:44 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
She's lucky she got him down with a .22 - those little peashooters generally just piss off your attacker. Any calibre that doesn't start with a "4" in front of it just ain't enough.

To be fair statistically more people are killed with .22 caliber weapons than pretty much anything else. Three or four well placed .22lr shots are much better than a misaimed .45acp shot every time.

Quoting ogre727 (Reply 6):
Shame on you.



Horrible experience, quite happy it ended the way it did. Can you imagine opening the shower curtain to see a man with a knife right next to you? Horrible. This has been all over the news the past few days, and earlier a neighbor of hers said on the radio the woman shot the man 9 times, but he kept on running.
No, shame on YOU for not understanding doc´s point, that just because one case, or few cases end up well, it does not make owning a gun a good idea, but it is a futile effort to make some people to understand this...

Shame....well, maybe for selectively reporting or selectively learning. Doc's smarter than this, and ought to read up a bit more on the subject. But really you consider that an armed homeowner is much more likely to successfully defend their property and life than an unarmed person. Regardless of the armament of the assailant(s).

The automatic myth of the assailant "taking the gun away" or beating the defender to the shot every single time is simply that...a myth. A prepared person is usually at the advantage over an assailant who has selected his target based on the assumption (misapprehension) that they're weak and defenseless, therefore an easy target. When the defender exercises their right to defend themselves effectively they're always much more difficult than the assailant predicted and it's axiomatic that the advantage always goes to the prepared defender in a one-on-one combat situation. Usually it takes 3-1 odds to quickly overwhelm a prepared defender in most forms of combat.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 9):
Kudos to the State of Georgia for allowing her the option to arm herself.

I'm glad that my home state respects the right we hold as US citizens to arm ourselves and doesn't seek to interfere. They don't give us any rights....we hold these rights inherently. Laws simply limit our rights in order to preserve the rights of others (and sometimes to give dominion to others who seek to control society for their own ends).
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Fri May 20, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting dl021 (Reply 10):
Shame....well,

Looks like you pressed the wrong quote button  

My point was that Doc was using this woman as a platform for anti-gun campaigning - a campaign that, if it were successful, would have left this woman scarred for life, or worse yet, dead. To go to such disgusting measures as effectively throwing her under the bus to further the utopian goal that could have left her dead is, in fact, shameful, cold, and disgusting. He is a better person than that.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Fri May 20, 2011 9:36 pm

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 3):
And please All, lets not get into another pro-gun, anti gun argument.

I see your point but starting a thread with.....

Quoting ImperialEagle (Thread starter):
Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

... makes that discussion a foregone conclusion.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
For you non-americans here, yes, bad guys have been known to break into your house, get themselves shot and perhaps permanently disabled, and then sue you for the disability.

Happens here in Oz as well, a bar owner was sued for injuing the perp during an armed hold up and across the Tasman a few years back a prisoner successfully IIRC sued the authorities over injuries he sustained while escaping from prison.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 10):
But really you consider that an armed homeowner is much more likely to successfully defend their property and life than an unarmed person. Regardless of the armament of the assailant(s).

That should read... 'armed and trained homeowner" even more correctly should include from your next paragraph..

Quoting dl021 (Reply 10):
A prepared person is usually at the advantage over an assailant

Being prepared to shoot at another human being is very different thing than being trained how to hit a piece of card down a range and keep the gun clean, unless you have that preparation the assailant will often have the advantage.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Fri May 20, 2011 11:27 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
Happens here in Oz as well, a bar owner was sued for injuing the perp during an armed hold up

I'm not sure about the civil liability I'd be exposed to if I shot someone who broke in my house, but I'd be free and clear criminally if I shot someone in my house under the Castle Law. Someone told me a long time ago that a criminal can't sue you if he's dead, although I guess his family could. It would probably get thrown out of court as a frivolous lawsuit though.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 10):
I'm glad that my home state respects the right we hold as US citizens to arm ourselves and doesn't seek to interfere. They don't give us any rights....we hold these rights inherently.

   I keep a handgun in my bedroom because I don't want to become a statistic. I'd rather give myself a fighting chance.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 10):
To be fair statistically more people are killed with .22 caliber weapons than pretty much anything else. Three or four well placed .22lr shots are much better than a misaimed .45acp shot every time.

True, every firearm is dangerous and lethal and should be treated such.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Fri May 20, 2011 11:47 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 13):
True, every firearm is dangerous and lethal and should be treated such.

Lies...

*holds up his index finger*... "This is my safety"

I think more states need the castle law; I wish NYS/NYC had it. It'll be a field day for me  

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I heard about this hydraulics shop owner; over in Joisey. His shop was repeatably broken into, tools stolen. Thieves would enter HIS property via the skylight. So one day; he decided to do something about it. Rigged up his skylight with 220v 50A breaker. Now he is serving 10+ years; for manslaughter. But his setup worked  .

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Sat May 21, 2011 2:15 pm

Quoting mmedford (Reply 14):
heard about this hydraulics shop owner; over in Joisey. His shop was repeatably broken into, tools stolen. Thieves would enter HIS property via the skylight. So one day; he decided to do something about it. Rigged up his skylight with 220v 50A breaker. Now he is serving 10+ years; for manslaughter. But his setup worked  .

Want to stop spreading rabies? Put the rabid dog down...

Compare that to a local business owner here in left coast Seattle who had his business broken into several times so he slept at his business. One night he catches 2 men who had broken in and shoots them. Under Castle Laws you have a right to defend yourself if you feel your life is at risk. It's still homicide, but it's justifiable homicide. In the case of your business owner who electrified the skylight it's hard to make that argument if you aren't there.
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Sun May 22, 2011 12:17 am

Quoting mmedford (Reply 14):
I heard about this hydraulics shop owner; over in Joisey. His shop was repeatably broken into, tools stolen. Thieves would enter HIS property via the skylight. So one day; he decided to do something about it. Rigged up his skylight with 220v 50A breaker. Now he is serving 10+ years; for manslaughter. But his setup worked .

I was high school friends with a guy whose dad owned a cabinetmaking shop in a tough area of Detroit. They also kept getting broken into through the skylight at night. One day, they drove a bunch of nails through a 4x8 piece of plywood and laid it under the skylight. The next morning, there were bloody footprints going out the door and they never had another problem...
 
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Sun May 22, 2011 1:25 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
unless you have that preparation the assailant will often have the advantage.

And the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners do. Crooks rarely get legitimate weapons and let alone training.
 
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Sun May 22, 2011 1:55 am

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 17):
And the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners do. Crooks rarely get legitimate weapons and let alone training.

Just the other day a felon with an illegally obtained handgun shot a it in a bus downtown here. I have a FFL, I've gone through an ATF background check, have a concealed carry permit with the state level background check and have 2 layers more legal scrutiny on my background than any criminal ever gets. But, everytime someone brings up gun rights they want to take a gun away from me, but it will have no effect on criminals.
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RE: Another Case Of Keeping That Gun Handy----

Sun May 22, 2011 7:04 am

Sorry cannot post at present, too busy giving thanks to the god I do not believe in that I live in a different society. As StealthZ writes we do have intruders, but a bout of shoot em up would make it worse here not better. You are welcome to Utopia any time you wish to move Doc.   
 
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Sun May 22, 2011 7:39 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
makes that discussion a foregone conclusion.

Not really. Whether you like them or not in this country they aren't going anywhere. If gun control works in AUS that's great and I am happy for you but we have the right to bear arms and it's one of the best things about this country. As it pertains to the OP's story just underscores it. Most violent rapes end badly for women but this one ended the way it was supposed to. The perp dying and in a fashion he knew his attacker fought back. Which most rapists rely on the opposite. The fear.

Again bravo!
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Mon May 23, 2011 4:18 am

Easy people. You disagree with A.net's anti-gun status and call out Doc for being wrong and your post gets deleted.
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Mon May 23, 2011 4:45 am

Good for the lady and I am glad that she is safe and there is one less criminal on the streets.

Not only did she save her self from a brutal rape and possibly being killed, she saved the Georgia taxpayers thousands of dollars that would have went to housing this thug in prison, court cost, public defenders and of course all of the therapy and free education this thug would have received from all of those criminal apologist.

I hope President Obama doesn't get involved and have this woman prosecuted.
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Mon May 23, 2011 4:58 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I hope President Obama doesn't get involved and have this woman prosecuted

There isn't a jury in the country in the US. Well maybe not all the US but in GA she is safe.
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Mon May 23, 2011 6:01 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
There isn't a jury in the country in the US. Well maybe not all the US but in GA she is safe.

True.
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Mon May 23, 2011 8:08 pm

Good for her thats one less scumbag in the world that some poor soul might have to deal with. Liberals will never understand the need to own a firearm and use it for protection. Most if any have never been the victim of a violent crime. I was held up at gunpoint right in front of my house but I didn't make any difference I was always a proponent of owning a gun. Up until that point I only had a 22 rifle but purchased a handgun and got my CCP after that incident. In MS not only does the castle doctrine apply to your home but your car as well and you do not need a carry permit to carry a gun in your car. You can also shoot to kill to protect your property as well.
 
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Mon May 23, 2011 8:42 pm

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 25):
You can also shoot to kill to protect your property as well.

From the state that gave us Al Franken...I'm amazed  

Except for the right to shoot to protect your property the laws are very similar here in Washington. The story about the woman who shot an intruder/possible rapist at her home in Duluth is getting a lot of air time here today.
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Tue May 24, 2011 12:02 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 26):
From the state that gave us Al Franken...I'm amazed  

Thats MS...Mississippi not MN Minnesota where Franken is from ....Big difference.
 
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Tue May 24, 2011 1:28 am

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 27):
Thats MS...Mississippi not MN Minnesota where Franken is from ....Big difference.

I sincerely apologize!

Living on the left coast I thought that I should let others know that a person who held a CCL successfully defended himself this weekend while walking his dog when 3 pit bulls came at him here. 3 off leash pit bulls attacked his dog and when in "immanent danger" he defended himself. I'd do the same if I was out with my kid.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/sound...it-bull-after-dog-pack-1391928.php
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