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GrahamHill
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How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 1:51 am

...when talking about aviation?

I was watching a show on the French TV "France 5" as they were talking about the latest developments of the AF447 crash. In one of their reports, they mentionned the Tenerife accident and the Hudson accident.

In the Tenerife accident, the speaker says that the KLM 747 hit another 747 that was exiting the taxiway while it was actually entering it. Ok, fair enough, it's not like it was the deadliest aviation accident in history, so why bother being exact on the facts  

For the Hudson one, she shamelessly says that "bird strikes can stop engines. This is what happened to a Boeing A380 which landed on the Hudson..."

I mean, SERIOUSLY??! Boeing A380?! I almost choked when I heard it.... I know that not everyone knows or should know about aviation, but can't they just do a miminum of research like all journalists are supposed to do?   

For French speakers, here is the link of the show: http://www.france5.fr/c-dans-l-air/i...r.php?page=resume&id_rubrique=1722

The mistakes are during the second report, around the 34th minute.
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 2:42 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):
In the Tenerife accident, the speaker says that the KLM 747 hit another 747 that was exiting the taxiway while it was actually entering it.

I don't think that's technically incorrect. The PA 747 was supposed to be exiting the taxiway. From wikipedia: "Shortly afterward, Pan Am 1736 was instructed to also backtaxi, to follow the KLM aircraft down the same runway, to exit the runway by taking the "third exit" on their left and then use the parallel taxiway."

But yeah, the Boeing A380 is pretty dumb. I'm sure the media gets stuff wrong in just about every area of reporting, and they probably figure they have bigger fish to fry (not defending the media or anything, I personally hate the media   )
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 7:13 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Thread starter):

Something that generally irritates me, is the medias eager to be first with the breaking news, that they almost all the time post lots of stories that simply aren't true, and where they have not backed up their sources in any way, or so it seems.

Latest example that comes to my mind was the fake photo of Bin Laden that was published on Reuters as being an official photo of OBL.

I mean if even Reuters can't get it right with stuff like this, then can we trust any media at all?
 
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 7:26 pm

In today's 24 hour media it just simply doesn't make sense for them to do so. Stories move too fast and to try to research the story properly would be too time consuming and less juicy for those involved. I don't see this ever changing.

[Edited 2011-05-28 12:47:08]
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 7:29 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 2):
eager to be first with the breaking news

I think this is the crux of the problem. Take time to be factual = second = old news.
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 7:33 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 2):
I mean if even Reuters can't get it right with stuff like this

Reuters? They've been notorious with doctoring their photos... Beirut, the Gaza Flotilla "peace activists", etc.

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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 7:39 pm

Oh yeah I just remembered this one:

http://www.webpronews.com/irish-coll...-media-with-wikipedia-hoax-2009-05


"When fans across the globe read of composer Maurice Jarre’s death at the end of March, they were treated to a charming quote: “One could say my life itself has been one long soundtrack. Music was my life, music brought me to life, and music is how I will be remembered long after I leave this life. When I die there will be a final waltz playing in my head, that only I can hear.”

It’s cute, but the thing is, Jarre never said it. Irish college student Shane Fitzgerald did, on Wikipedia."

Embarrassing to say the least.
 
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 7:41 pm

In a Swedish newspaper i recently read an article about Airbus developing the A380-900, they referred to it as "twice the size of the original A380". They compared the maximum capacity of the -900, and the average amounts of seats of -800. But anything to make is sound like a scoop, i guess...
 
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sat May 28, 2011 8:52 pm

One of our national newspapers also reported about the AF447 crash. They said that since this accident AF no longer uses the pitot type speedometers on their aircraft.
 
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sun May 29, 2011 2:12 am

Ok, so you know a lot about aviation and that the media really screws things up. So think about it, if they can't get the basic things right about what you know, then what at all do you think they actually get right in any of their other stories?
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sun May 29, 2011 5:03 am

This is the reason that media outlets have e-mail addresses and phone numbers. If they make a mistake, contact them. I have done this several times on various issues.

I happen to be an aspiring journalist, and I guarantee that when I am eventually in a position to report on a story, I will personally check the pertinent information. But think about it. The story is most likely called in by someone or received over an RSS feed. Then it is summarized by a production assistant, and then given to a producer who has a lot of stories to choose from for a newscast, and a limited amount of time to do it. He/she might get 50 stories for a 30 minute newscast that are all newsworthy so they quickly have to get the pertinent facts. Mistakes are going to happen. Remember that the vast majority of people on this world know squat about planes. It's only the nuts like us that really know the differences between one plane and another.

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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sun May 29, 2011 8:18 am

Just to emphasize, France 5 is not a 24/7 news channel, in fact it has no news at all, it's a public channel, part of the France Télévisions group, news bulletins are aired on France 2 and France 3, the 24/7 channel being France 24. On France 5, there are a lot of documentaries, and live shows. This one, C dans l'air (It's in the air, my poor attempt at a translation) is a daily current affairs show, that picks one theme each day, and invites specialists on the subject (for example, without having watched that one yet, I would bet my house Gérard Feldzer is there, he always is when it's about planes). The quality is not always good, depending on the people there really. The introducing mini documentaries are typical TV "journalism", sometimes it's even the same ones that are shown on France 2 and 3, so this mistake doesn't surprise me, even if I too am appalled by it.

What is said about the Spanair crash is also wrong, there was nothing defective with the wings, they were just improperly configured, then the Helios crash, they say that the plane stalled, maybe so but I wouldn't say it like this, it flew until there was no fuel anymore. At least the Boeing A380 mega blunder was immediately corrected.
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RE: How Come Journalists Can't Get It Right...

Sun May 29, 2011 4:20 pm

Because Journalists are experts on journalism. . . in general, not on any other subject. That applies to pretty much all of us too, even we aren't "experts" in aviation. How many times do we open threads asking dumb questions or simply making plain wrong assertions based on mistaken ideas we've accumulated over the years.

And then there are different sides to aviation: pilots, ATC, different types of engineers, maintenance, etc. So a lot of people are experts in specific areas, and probably not on all areas.
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